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John Revenent Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.13 05:09:00 - [1] Intaki V - Moon 5 - Astral Mining Inc. Refinery Ishukone Corporation vessels along with Ishukone-Raata Capsuleers have been under constant fire over the past days in the Intaki system by not only pirates but FDU Militia capsuleer's. These ships are Ishukone and Mordu flagged and are not legal militia act targets, engaging these ships is a very hostile act of piracy against the Ishukone Mega-corporation, Ishukone-Raata, and their partner the Mordu Legion. Ishukone-Raata Intel has witnessed FDU pilots engage the escorts and industrials in orbit of the Intaki V Station, including Luminaire General, Erian. Enforcers of the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive have logged engagements in the system several times, luckily all Ishukone-Raata ships have mannaged to drive off the FDU attackers. We would like to urge the pilots committing these acts of piracy to halt. If these engagements continue Ishukone-Raata is already taking steps to ensure the Intaki assets remain intact.
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2009.12.13 05:17:00 - [2] Do you honestly expect the Federal Defence Union not to attack ships belonging to an occupying force in one of the Federation's most important low-sec systems, regardless of CONCORD's labyrinthine and ridiculous protocols? On another note entirely, one also wonders whether I-RED would be so quick to complain if the State Protectorate were to shoot down civilian convoys in Federation-held systems. -----
Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.13 05:32:00 - [3] Originally by: Andreus LeHane Do you honestly expect the Federal Defence Union not to attack ships belonging to an occupying force in one of the Federation's most important low-sec systems, regardless of CONCORD's labyrinthine and ridiculous protocols? On another note entirely, one also wonders whether I-RED would be so quick to complain if the State Protectorate were to shoot down civilian convoys in Federation-held systems. Pilot LeHane, I assure you that it is rather concrete that vessels belonging to Ishukone Corporation and Mordu's Legion, not the State Protectorate, are not registered under the Militia Act, and are thus by definition not occupying forces. If you can prove otherwise, conclusively, I implore you to do so. Also, I myself was once in the Protectorate forces - as a supplies officer, primarily. I and the rest of my corporation opposed piracy within the ranks then, and it is the position of Ishukone-Raata that such conduct will be met with due action.
Feyona Perkone	Posted - 2009.12.13 10:07:00 - [4] Somehow, I doubt very much that they care.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.12.13 11:20:00 - [5] Tell me this, Caldari dog. When the Gallente lost a large chunk of their space to the State Protectorate was not one single Federal Navy ship destroyed at their fallen tactical outposts? Yes, I imagine the were.
Sumerio Rayej Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2009.12.13 15:59:00 - [6] Darius, there's an enormous difference between attacking opposing naval forces as part of Faction War objectives (though I personally oppose even that) and attacking civilian transports simply because they fly the flag of a corporation belonging to the empire you oppose. Attacking those neutral Ishukone haulers is piracy, plain and simple. And Andreus, I don't think you know I-RED, at all. Yes, they would oppose the destruction of civilian transports belonging to Federation corporations. Listen, folks. You aren't doing the people of Intaki any favors when you destroy supply transports from any dang faction in our home system. Leave them the heck alone so the Intaki people can conduct trade in peace. We'd be happy if you'd just take your war elsewhere, but the least you can do is isolate your attacks to your Faction War objectives. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- View the Intaki Homeworld Webcam at www.ilfcorp.com
Kyraella Myshtana	Posted - 2009.12.13 16:38:00 - [7] To my knowledge, no cells of the Intaki Resistance Armada are attacking Ishukone assets unless they aggress IRA or othe vessels friendly to the Intaki people or the Federation. However, if Ishukone attempts to stop cargo, including shipments of military materiel to Intaki Prime, they would be considered valid targets under the IRA's rules of engagement. That said, I have received no reports of IRA vessels engaging Ishukone at all. It is possible that these attackers are unaffiliated freedom fighters. We have many allies in spirit who are not members of IRA cells and therefore do not receive strategic intelligence briefings. My advice to Ishukone is to dock their vessels until our system is liberated, at which point they may be able to negotiate a peaceful contract to continue economic activity in the area. To all of our unaffiliated brethren: I ask you to concentrate your attacks on Caldari State and allied military assets or to engage in privateering and search-and-destroy raids against military (not civilian) assets in other systems. I am told that Jita, Perimeter, and New Caldari have yet to suffer asymmetric warfare... Your efforts will spread their forces thin and help to confuse military intelligence that might warn them in advance of the actual liberation of Intaki.
Vincent Death Caldari Hyasyoda External Security Trade and Development	Posted - 2009.12.13 17:56:00 - [8] If the Ishukone Corporation or Ishukone-Rataa require assistance in the difficult times ahead, may I be the first to offer it. If the Federal Defense Union cannot be trusted to allow legitimate trade to be conducted in the Placid Region then I find myself once more at odds with it. I also find it strange that the Gallente were unable to collect votes from the Intaki system a few weeks ago but now finds it easy work to loot and plunder peaceful trade vessels. The people of Placid must be rejoicing that investment and jobs generated by the Ishukone Corporation are being replaced by uncaring and rapacious "liberators".
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.12.13 17:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Sumerio Rayej Darius, there's an enormous difference between attacking opposing naval forces as part of Faction War objectives (though I personally oppose even that) and attacking civilian transports simply because they fly the flag of a corporation belonging to the empire you oppose. Attacking those neutral Ishukone haulers is piracy, plain and simple. And Andreus, I don't think you know I-RED, at all. Yes, they would oppose the destruction of civilian transports belonging to Federation corporations. Listen, folks. You aren't doing the people of Intaki any favors when you destroy supply transports from any dang faction in our home system. Leave them the heck alone so the Intaki people can conduct trade in peace. We'd be happy if you'd just take your war elsewhere, but the least you can do is isolate your attacks to your Faction War objectives. Don't think I had not thought of that before posting. You have to look at the Caldari state and the corporations within and their structure, and take this all into account here. The line between their navy and the corporations is very thin. Their corporations have their own 'security' forces that have in the past behaved aggressively towards others for their own agendas. Bottom line is, the state corporations have moved in on occupied territory in the middle of a war to further advance the Caldari State's influence in the area. Because the megacorps are the state. Hence why I make no distinction myself and call the labelling of actions against them as 'piracy' to be some way on the side of false. Look at your corporation name, man. What does it stand for? Because your home is still in need of liberating. As for Mordus too, which the OP mentioned, I would hardly call them a peaceful corporation. They are mercenaries, pure and simple. What they are doing in Intaki is still anyone's guess, but they are actively hunted by most of the empires when Mordus conduct operations within their borders as they are known to be aggressive. They are hardly the face of a sweet innocent family corporation being preyed upon by mean capsule pirates.
Neo Gabriel Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.12.13 20:04:00 - [10] I don't care for those neutral Mordus or Ishukone Ships hugging the undock at Intaki 5, but if I see you one more time inside a Gallente Tactical Site I will consider you hostile and will work on getting your corporation with red standings, that is, KILL ON SIGHT for any Villore Accords Corporation, anywhere in NewEden. Also be aware that any neutral that comes inside a tactical plex is considered a valid target for FDU pilots.
Sumerio Rayej Gallente Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Neo Gabriel Also be aware that any neutral that comes inside a tactical plex is considered a valid target for FDU pilots. Neo, drawing a line in the sand like that is liable to make the FDU enemies it doesn't need. The ILF, for one, will not allow tactical plexes to be used as safe zones by pirates. We will pursue enemies who try to flee into them. I imagine I-RED and other anti-pirate corps will do the same. If that makes us enemies of the FDU, so be it. As far as what the "Liberation" part of ILF means, perhaps all pilots aren't aware that the ILF pursues an agenda of independence for Intaki. We remain neutral in the Faction War. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- View the Intaki Homeworld Webcam at www.ilfcorp.com
Neo Gabriel Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:50:00 - [12] Then don't come inside the plexes when we are running them. Also intaki liberation members have gone pirate on FDU members last time around when intaki was under attack, and have helped caldari forces, and we do not forget. Keep that in mind. If you don't want neutrals to be shot, don't enter the battlefield. Kill pirates at your leisure.
John Revenent Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.13 22:39:00 - [13] Quote: KILL ON SIGHT for any Villore Accords Corporation There have already been reports of attacks from some of the Villore Accord Corporation in Intaki and the surrounding systems, even after informing the pilots they are showing aggression to a neutral entity. As for this threat I doubt the Villore Accords need another enemy on the battlefield. As for Ishukone-Raata vessels in military complex's all of the ships who entered the sites acted as neutral observers, and have never attacked or assisted any side while in the presence of militia pilots.
Val Erian Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia	Posted - 2009.12.13 23:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Val Erian on 13/12/2009 23:14:05 What is this foolishness? I did engage them out side Astral station. I note I was not subject to Sentry gun fire, nor did I receive any negative repercussuins from Mordu or Ishukone. Caldari State is our enemy, these are represenitives of that enemy. There is a war going on, which you are franticly trying to pretend doesnt exist and doesnt effect you. The only reason the Ishukone and Mordu are in Intaki at all is due to the Caldari State Protectorate capturing this system. The FDU is currently retaking systems near Intaki. Annancale was liberated just the other day as well as was Ostingele. Take a good look at the map. And quite frankly there are no neutral observers in military complex's, espcialy for us, ones who are aligned with the a Caldari Megacorp. This is not an FDU only policy. All Militias by military neccesity observe this rule. Make your own decisions John , but no more observing during a military operation. I'll give you a battle report if you need it . Do not start this foolishness again in Intaki. As for the ILF. You have chosen to let others decide the fate of Intaki. If you want to pretend that it doesnt matter then do so. I only ask that you remain neutral and understand that in a war zone if you are neutral you must stay clear of military operations.
John Revenent Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.13 23:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Val Erian Edited by: Val Erian on 13/12/2009 23:14:05 What is this foolishness? I did engage them out side Astral station. I note I was not subject to Sentry gun fire, nor did I receive any negative repercussuins from Mordu or Ishukone. Caldari State is our enemy, these are represenitives of that enemy. There is a war going on, which you are franticly trying to pretend doesnt exist and doesnt effect you. The only reason the Ishukone and Mordu are in Intaki at all is due to the Caldari State Protectorate capturing this system. The FDU is currently retaking systems near Intaki. Annancale was liberated just the other day as well as was Ostingele. Take a good look at the map. And quite frankly there are no neutral observers in military complex's, espcialy for us, ones who are aligned with the a Caldari Megacorp. This is not an FDU only policy. All Militias by military neccesity observe this rule. Make your own decisions John , but no more observing during a military operation. I'll give you a battle report if you need it . Do not start this foolishness again in Intaki. What Ishukone and Ishukone-Raata are trying to do in the Intaki system is not foolishness, attacking and committing an act of piracy against yes a "Neutral" organization who is not flagged to the FDU is a act of foolishness. It also can be viewed as an Act of War against Ishukone, the people aboard the ships around Astral station do not hunt FDU pilots, they do not assist the State Protectorate and have not harmed anyone... even yourself. Just because they can show restraint does not mean they are weak nor does it mean they will sit back while you murder the men and women who dedicate their lives to develop the Intaki system. Your attitude toward the situation is cold it is a perfect example of what hate, racism, and war does to a person. We know the war exists, we choose not to get involved. But the FDU seems to be hell bent on getting Ishukone-Raata involved by deliberately attacking our ships on anti-pirate operations, the ships of our parent corporation Ishukone, the Ishukone partner Mordu Legion, and we will not... CAN NOT let this continue to happen.
T'san Manaan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:21:00 - [16] Edited by: T''san Manaan on 14/12/2009 00:21:46 Originally by: The Pacifist Manifesto: Chapter I, Verso xxiv. "Those who would seek peace in times of war must stay unmistakably clear of it. Withdraw yourselves from the view of your enemy and remain unseen, for even the most innocent action is a threat in the eyes of your enemy. This you must understand, for to tempt fate too often is invariably to meet it." Ishukone "purchsed" intaki from the occupying forces and oversees the subjgation of the Intaki people. As long as your forces profit from the labor of an occupied world you should be targeted by the FDU, I support the actions of the FDU and suggest that if you do not wish to be engaged you should leave their space immediatly.
Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:36:00 - [17] Originally by: T'san Manaan Edited by: T''san Manaan on 14/12/2009 00:21:46 Originally by: The Pacifist Manifesto: Chapter I, Verso xxiv. "Those who would seek peace in times of war must stay unmistakably clear of it. Withdraw yourselves from the view of your enemy and remain unseen, for even the most innocent action is a threat in the eyes of your enemy. This you must understand, for to tempt fate too often is invariably to meet it." Ishukone "purchsed" intaki from the occupying forces and oversees the subjgation of the Intaki people. As long as your forces profit from the labor of an occupied world you should be targeted by the FDU, I support the actions of the FDU and suggest that if you do not wish to be engaged you should leave their space immediatly. To clarify again, as has been clarified multiple times: What was purchased by the Ishukone Corporation was merely development rights. While the system is under Caldari occupancy, they are permitted to take advantage of undeveloped resources until outbid or those rights are revoked. If the system changes to Federation occupancy, naturally Ishukone would have to either renegotiate or face revocation of those rights. A similar case would be if the Intaki system were to indeed secede and become its own sovereign nation. If you have concrete proof that Ishukone has seized existing resource-exploiting operations, then please, enlighten us. I'll certainly be willing to entertain the idea, provided it can be fact-checked by an unbiased neutral entity.
Jianni Sotaku Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2009.12.14 02:50:00 - [18] Pilots of the Federated Union, We must think logically about this situation. The Ishukone/Mordu vessels nor their Capsuleer allies, have been hindering your ability to effectively Plex within the Intaki system. They are not hostile to Federal pilots unless we engage them. This could all change very fast if we don't stop destroying their ships for the sake of it. We could soon see these ships as hostile, stopping any progress in the Intaki system. If you really want them out, work on freeing Intaki from it's occupation. Void their Developmental Rights. Do it the Right way, and this will be a whole lot easier on us. There are plenty of valid war targets that can be fired upon to our benefit. Destroying this convoy is essentially pointless. -------
Kyraella Myshtana	Posted - 2009.12.14 04:19:00 - [19] Precisely. Well said. While it is sometimes difficult to separate the State from the megacorporations, it is very important that we distinguish between civilian and military targets. While Mordu's Legion is in our system as a "security" force, many of their pilots are ethnic Intaki. Please refrain from targeting ships that are not directly interfering with the important work of liberating the galaxy from the Great Unclean. That said, I reiterate my suggestion to Ishukone and its allied corporations that they dock all of their vessels in the region until the fighting is concluded. Now is not a safe time, if only because the chaos encourages piracy. If you feel that you must fly, I urge you to heed the FDU's warnings. Flying civilian ships into declared battlefields, especially the control bunker complexes, seems the height of recklessness. Combatants simply cannot take the chance that your ship is gathering intelligence.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.12.14 11:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Sumerio Rayej As far as what the "Liberation" part of ILF means, perhaps all pilots aren't aware that the ILF pursues an agenda of independence for Intaki. We remain neutral in the Faction War. As an old freedom fighter myself, I feel almost duty bound to point out the flaws in what you have said, given that your home is in the middle of a war zone. There is no such thing as neutrality. The Gallente want it back, the Caldari want to keep it. You should ask yourself where that really leaves you and the ILF. But it is your choice to make, so I will say no more here.
Vincent Death Caldari Hyasyoda External Security Trade and Development	Posted - 2009.12.14 13:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Darius Shakor There is no such thing as neutrality. The Gallente want it back, the Caldari want to keep it. You should ask yourself where that really leaves you and the ILF. There is a third way. A sovereign, independent and free Intaki state that respects contract law and allows free and unrestricted trade within it's borders is a thing to be desired.
Hussain Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.12.14 17:57:00 - [22] Honestly would you think FDU would simply let the State do as it pleases ? Do you know what is Ishukone corporation carrying into the system? They have "brought rhe rights" to develop the system, wouldn't they want to defend it ? How can you be sure they are not carrying weapons ? Strengthning the State defences ? Intaki is still part of the Federation, occupied by the State but part of the Federation stil , how can FDU let the enemy work unmolested there ? Or Ishukone is not helping the State's war and following Titus wishes ?
Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.14 19:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Hussain Honestly would you think FDU would simply let the State do as it pleases ? Do you know what is Ishukone corporation carrying into the system? They have "brought rhe rights" to develop the system, wouldn't they want to defend it ? How can you be sure they are not carrying weapons ? Strengthning the State defences ? Intaki is still part of the Federation, occupied by the State but part of the Federation stil , how can FDU let the enemy work unmolested there ? Or Ishukone is not helping the State's war and following Titus wishes ? If weapons and such materials are being brought into the system, they are most likely meant to keep vessels from the Ishukone Watch supplied for the protection of recently-developed assets, not CPD/Provist/Protectorate facilities and ships. If the latter were the case, resources would likely be imported in via Bustard- and Crane-class heavy and covert transports, and not be flying in the open.
Finistri Nirum Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.12.14 21:27:00 - [24] To be honest, I think the wholesale division of new assets amongst the megacorporations has finally given the Gallente a reason to fight back. I guess the destruction of trillions of ISK in military assets wasn't enough. Nor was the invasion of the Gallente home system and the retaking of Caldari Prime. Although I am pleased to see this sudden change in the so-called Federal Defense Union, I will issue this statement of caution: You do NOT want Ishukone to throw its full weight and might into the newly occupied systems. You saw what happened when extreme measures were used at Malkalen. Do not allow history to repeat itself, or the Caldari military may not stop at taking just one world back. ----- "Friendly fire ain't." ---Unknown soldier
Jakiin	Posted - 2009.12.14 21:53:00 - [25] Never thought we'd hear a plea for reason from one of the Red Vs. Blue psychopaths. Still though, I'm somewhat divided. On the one hand, neither Ishukone nor Ishukone Watch are part of the Protectorate or State Navy. On the other hand, as the Megacorporations effectively form the Caldari Government and one of Heth's first moves was to seize Federation assets within the State the attacking forces certainly have some moral ground. Practically though, it's a bad idea. Many of the Protectorate are happy to let the Gallente keep their systems so long as they stay out of State systems, but that might change very rapidly if they feel that the capsuleer divisions of the Megacorporations are under assault. Combine a resurgent Protectorate with security forces + mercenaries hired by the egger divisions, and the FDU will find that reclaiming its systems will be considerably more difficult than before. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Val Erian Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia	Posted - 2009.12.14 22:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Yo**aka Moromuo Originally by: T'san Manaan Edited by: T''san Manaan on 14/12/2009 00:21:46 Originally by: The Pacifist Manifesto: Chapter I, Verso xxiv. "Those who would seek peace in times of war must stay unmistakably clear of it. Withdraw yourselves from the view of your enemy and remain unseen, for even the most innocent action is a threat in the eyes of your enemy. This you must understand, for to tempt fate too often is invariably to meet it." Ishukone "purchsed" intaki from the occupying forces and oversees the subjgation of the Intaki people. As long as your forces profit from the labor of an occupied world you should be targeted by the FDU, I support the actions of the FDU and suggest that if you do not wish to be engaged you should leave their space immediatly. To clarify again, as has been clarified multiple times: What was purchased by the Ishukone Corporation was merely development rights. While the system is under Caldari occupancy, they are permitted to take advantage of undeveloped resources until outbid or those rights are revoked. If the system changes to Federation occupancy, naturally Ishukone would have to either renegotiate or face revocation of those rights. A similar case would be if the Intaki system were to indeed secede and become its own sovereign nation. If you have concrete proof that Ishukone has seized existing resource-exploiting operations, then please, enlighten us. I'll certainly be willing to entertain the idea, provided it can be fact-checked by an unbiased neutral entity. If the system returns to Federation control the rights will be immediatly null. Perhaps you could get your isk back from Tibus, who "sold' a resource he did not own. This smokescreen about 'development rights' and ' security forces protecting company assets' is just PR verbage for selling by the State of Ownership of Federation Systems. perhaps you should look at the Ishukone Watch ships.. were it clearly states 'Ishkone bought this system' As others have said the megacorps are the State. The Caldari are the most meddlesome of races alwasy hiding their actions behind corporate smokescreens... "Oh thats just a subsidiary... thats just a mix up between our Security arm and the Navy that the convoy was destroyed.." That being said I will refrain from engaging Ishukone Haulers and their escorts. including Mordus because ILF have asked this. But members of Caldari Megacorps must stay out of the military complexs.. These are a war zone, neutral ships are in danger.
Saxon Hawke Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2009.12.14 22:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Val Erian That being said I will refrain from engaging Ishukone Haulers and their escorts. including Mordus because ILF have asked this. General Erian, thank you for your understanding in this matter. It is the belief of the ILF that no meaningful peace can be obtained in the Intaki System if civilian vessels are made targets of war. We would expect the same consideration to be paid to Federation civilians operating in the area as well.
theRaptor Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2009.12.14 22:56:00 - [28] Non-militia of non-neutral standing should not be traipsing around in warzones and expect not to get shot. The wars may be limited by CONCORD decree but it is very obvious that empire assets outside the militias proper will be targeted if they enter the war zones. --- Paladin Crusader of Amarrian Retribution (24th IC).
John Revenent Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.14 23:22:00 - [29] Originally by: theRaptor Non-militia of non-neutral standing should not be traipsing around in warzones and expect not to get shot. The wars may be limited by CONCORD decree but it is very obvious that empire assets outside the militias proper will be targeted if they enter the war zones. Ishukone-Raata Enforcers are not being engaged in Military designated sites.. We however are being targeted and engaged in the asteroid belts of Intaki without reason other then we are I quote "Squid Scum". For such a open "Culture" it sure does breed racism, and hate. Enforcers have standing orders to report destruction of Ishukone and Mordu vessels, any pilots found guilty of murdering innocents will be deemed valid targets.
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.12.15 00:24:00 - [30] Originally by: John Revenent Ishukone-Raata Enforcers are not being engaged in Military designated sites.. We however are being targeted and engaged in the asteroid belts of Intaki without reason other then we are I quote "Squid Scum". For such a open "Culture" it sure does breed racism, and hate. Please note that all parties are being engaged by Serpentis pirates in the asteroid belts for no apparent reason. Asteroid belts are dangerous for "civilians" such as yourself in all of New Eden. As for the incident in question, the rumor is that said FDU parties were "yellow boxed" in an attempt to bait them into a fight. Care to confirm/deny?

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