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John Revenent Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.13 05:09:00 - [1] Intaki V - Moon 5 - Astral Mining Inc. Refinery Ishukone Corporation vessels along with Ishukone-Raata Capsuleers have been under constant fire over the past days in the Intaki system by not only pirates but FDU Militia capsuleer's. These ships are Ishukone and Mordu flagged and are not legal militia act targets, engaging these ships is a very hostile act of piracy against the Ishukone Mega-corporation, Ishukone-Raata, and their partner the Mordu Legion. Ishukone-Raata Intel has witnessed FDU pilots engage the escorts and industrials in orbit of the Intaki V Station, including Luminaire General, Erian. Enforcers of the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive have logged engagements in the system several times, luckily all Ishukone-Raata ships have mannaged to drive off the FDU attackers. We would like to urge the pilots committing these acts of piracy to halt. If these engagements continue Ishukone-Raata is already taking steps to ensure the Intaki assets remain intact.
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2009.12.13 05:17:00 - [2] Do you honestly expect the Federal Defence Union not to attack ships belonging to an occupying force in one of the Federation's most important low-sec systems, regardless of CONCORD's labyrinthine and ridiculous protocols? On another note entirely, one also wonders whether I-RED would be so quick to complain if the State Protectorate were to shoot down civilian convoys in Federation-held systems. -----
Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.13 05:32:00 - [3] Originally by: Andreus LeHane Do you honestly expect the Federal Defence Union not to attack ships belonging to an occupying force in one of the Federation's most important low-sec systems, regardless of CONCORD's labyrinthine and ridiculous protocols? On another note entirely, one also wonders whether I-RED would be so quick to complain if the State Protectorate were to shoot down civilian convoys in Federation-held systems. Pilot LeHane, I assure you that it is rather concrete that vessels belonging to Ishukone Corporation and Mordu's Legion, not the State Protectorate, are not registered under the Militia Act, and are thus by definition not occupying forces. If you can prove otherwise, conclusively, I implore you to do so. Also, I myself was once in the Protectorate forces - as a supplies officer, primarily. I and the rest of my corporation opposed piracy within the ranks then, and it is the position of Ishukone-Raata that such conduct will be met with due action.
Feyona Perkone	Posted - 2009.12.13 10:07:00 - [4] Somehow, I doubt very much that they care.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.12.13 11:20:00 - [5] Tell me this, Caldari dog. When the Gallente lost a large chunk of their space to the State Protectorate was not one single Federal Navy ship destroyed at their fallen tactical outposts? Yes, I imagine the were.
Sumerio Rayej Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2009.12.13 15:59:00 - [6] Darius, there's an enormous difference between attacking opposing naval forces as part of Faction War objectives (though I personally oppose even that) and attacking civilian transports simply because they fly the flag of a corporation belonging to the empire you oppose. Attacking those neutral Ishukone haulers is piracy, plain and simple. And Andreus, I don't think you know I-RED, at all. Yes, they would oppose the destruction of civilian transports belonging to Federation corporations. Listen, folks. You aren't doing the people of Intaki any favors when you destroy supply transports from any dang faction in our home system. Leave them the heck alone so the Intaki people can conduct trade in peace. We'd be happy if you'd just take your war elsewhere, but the least you can do is isolate your attacks to your Faction War objectives. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- View the Intaki Homeworld Webcam at www.ilfcorp.com
Kyraella Myshtana	Posted - 2009.12.13 16:38:00 - [7] To my knowledge, no cells of the Intaki Resistance Armada are attacking Ishukone assets unless they aggress IRA or othe vessels friendly to the Intaki people or the Federation. However, if Ishukone attempts to stop cargo, including shipments of military materiel to Intaki Prime, they would be considered valid targets under the IRA's rules of engagement. That said, I have received no reports of IRA vessels engaging Ishukone at all. It is possible that these attackers are unaffiliated freedom fighters. We have many allies in spirit who are not members of IRA cells and therefore do not receive strategic intelligence briefings. My advice to Ishukone is to dock their vessels until our system is liberated, at which point they may be able to negotiate a peaceful contract to continue economic activity in the area. To all of our unaffiliated brethren: I ask you to concentrate your attacks on Caldari State and allied military assets or to engage in privateering and search-and-destroy raids against military (not civilian) assets in other systems. I am told that Jita, Perimeter, and New Caldari have yet to suffer asymmetric warfare... Your efforts will spread their forces thin and help to confuse military intelligence that might warn them in advance of the actual liberation of Intaki.
Vincent Death Caldari Hyasyoda External Security Trade and Development	Posted - 2009.12.13 17:56:00 - [8] If the Ishukone Corporation or Ishukone-Rataa require assistance in the difficult times ahead, may I be the first to offer it. If the Federal Defense Union cannot be trusted to allow legitimate trade to be conducted in the Placid Region then I find myself once more at odds with it. I also find it strange that the Gallente were unable to collect votes from the Intaki system a few weeks ago but now finds it easy work to loot and plunder peaceful trade vessels. The people of Placid must be rejoicing that investment and jobs generated by the Ishukone Corporation are being replaced by uncaring and rapacious "liberators".
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.12.13 17:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Sumerio Rayej Darius, there's an enormous difference between attacking opposing naval forces as part of Faction War objectives (though I personally oppose even that) and attacking civilian transports simply because they fly the flag of a corporation belonging to the empire you oppose. Attacking those neutral Ishukone haulers is piracy, plain and simple. And Andreus, I don't think you know I-RED, at all. Yes, they would oppose the destruction of civilian transports belonging to Federation corporations. Listen, folks. You aren't doing the people of Intaki any favors when you destroy supply transports from any dang faction in our home system. Leave them the heck alone so the Intaki people can conduct trade in peace. We'd be happy if you'd just take your war elsewhere, but the least you can do is isolate your attacks to your Faction War objectives. Don't think I had not thought of that before posting. You have to look at the Caldari state and the corporations within and their structure, and take this all into account here. The line between their navy and the corporations is very thin. Their corporations have their own 'security' forces that have in the past behaved aggressively towards others for their own agendas. Bottom line is, the state corporations have moved in on occupied territory in the middle of a war to further advance the Caldari State's influence in the area. Because the megacorps are the state. Hence why I make no distinction myself and call the labelling of actions against them as 'piracy' to be some way on the side of false. Look at your corporation name, man. What does it stand for? Because your home is still in need of liberating. As for Mordus too, which the OP mentioned, I would hardly call them a peaceful corporation. They are mercenaries, pure and simple. What they are doing in Intaki is still anyone's guess, but they are actively hunted by most of the empires when Mordus conduct operations within their borders as they are known to be aggressive. They are hardly the face of a sweet innocent family corporation being preyed upon by mean capsule pirates.
Neo Gabriel Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.12.13 20:04:00 - [10] I don't care for those neutral Mordus or Ishukone Ships hugging the undock at Intaki 5, but if I see you one more time inside a Gallente Tactical Site I will consider you hostile and will work on getting your corporation with red standings, that is, KILL ON SIGHT for any Villore Accords Corporation, anywhere in NewEden. Also be aware that any neutral that comes inside a tactical plex is considered a valid target for FDU pilots.
Sumerio Rayej Gallente Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Neo Gabriel Also be aware that any neutral that comes inside a tactical plex is considered a valid target for FDU pilots. Neo, drawing a line in the sand like that is liable to make the FDU enemies it doesn't need. The ILF, for one, will not allow tactical plexes to be used as safe zones by pirates. We will pursue enemies who try to flee into them. I imagine I-RED and other anti-pirate corps will do the same. If that makes us enemies of the FDU, so be it. As far as what the "Liberation" part of ILF means, perhaps all pilots aren't aware that the ILF pursues an agenda of independence for Intaki. We remain neutral in the Faction War. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- View the Intaki Homeworld Webcam at www.ilfcorp.com
Neo Gabriel Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.12.13 21:50:00 - [12] Then don't come inside the plexes when we are running them. Also intaki liberation members have gone pirate on FDU members last time around when intaki was under attack, and have helped caldari forces, and we do not forget. Keep that in mind. If you don't want neutrals to be shot, don't enter the battlefield. Kill pirates at your leisure.
John Revenent Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.13 22:39:00 - [13] Quote: KILL ON SIGHT for any Villore Accords Corporation There have already been reports of attacks from some of the Villore Accord Corporation in Intaki and the surrounding systems, even after informing the pilots they are showing aggression to a neutral entity. As for this threat I doubt the Villore Accords need another enemy on the battlefield. As for Ishukone-Raata vessels in military complex's all of the ships who entered the sites acted as neutral observers, and have never attacked or assisted any side while in the presence of militia pilots.
Val Erian Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia	Posted - 2009.12.13 23:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Val Erian on 13/12/2009 23:14:05 What is this foolishness? I did engage them out side Astral station. I note I was not subject to Sentry gun fire, nor did I receive any negative repercussuins from Mordu or Ishukone. Caldari State is our enemy, these are represenitives of that enemy. There is a war going on, which you are franticly trying to pretend doesnt exist and doesnt effect you. The only reason the Ishukone and Mordu are in Intaki at all is due to the Caldari State Protectorate capturing this system. The FDU is currently retaking systems near Intaki. Annancale was liberated just the other day as well as was Ostingele. Take a good look at the map. And quite frankly there are no neutral observers in military complex's, espcialy for us, ones who are aligned with the a Caldari Megacorp. This is not an FDU only policy. All Militias by military neccesity observe this rule. Make your own decisions John , but no more observing during a military operation. I'll give you a battle report if you need it . Do not start this foolishness again in Intaki. As for the ILF. You have chosen to let others decide the fate of Intaki. If you want to pretend that it doesnt matter then do so. I only ask that you remain neutral and understand that in a war zone if you are neutral you must stay clear of military operations.
John Revenent Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.13 23:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Val Erian Edited by: Val Erian on 13/12/2009 23:14:05 What is this foolishness? I did engage them out side Astral station. I note I was not subject to Sentry gun fire, nor did I receive any negative repercussuins from Mordu or Ishukone. Caldari State is our enemy, these are represenitives of that enemy. There is a war going on, which you are franticly trying to pretend doesnt exist and doesnt effect you. The only reason the Ishukone and Mordu are in Intaki at all is due to the Caldari State Protectorate capturing this system. The FDU is currently retaking systems near Intaki. Annancale was liberated just the other day as well as was Ostingele. Take a good look at the map. And quite frankly there are no neutral observers in military complex's, espcialy for us, ones who are aligned with the a Caldari Megacorp. This is not an FDU only policy. All Militias by military neccesity observe this rule. Make your own decisions John , but no more observing during a military operation. I'll give you a battle report if you need it . Do not start this foolishness again in Intaki. What Ishukone and Ishukone-Raata are trying to do in the Intaki system is not foolishness, attacking and committing an act of piracy against yes a "Neutral" organization who is not flagged to the FDU is a act of foolishness. It also can be viewed as an Act of War against Ishukone, the people aboard the ships around Astral station do not hunt FDU pilots, they do not assist the State Protectorate and have not harmed anyone... even yourself. Just because they can show restraint does not mean they are weak nor does it mean they will sit back while you murder the men and women who dedicate their lives to develop the Intaki system. Your attitude toward the situation is cold it is a perfect example of what hate, racism, and war does to a person. We know the war exists, we choose not to get involved. But the FDU seems to be hell bent on getting Ishukone-Raata involved by deliberately attacking our ships on anti-pirate operations, the ships of our parent corporation Ishukone, the Ishukone partner Mordu Legion, and we will not... CAN NOT let this continue to happen.
T'san Manaan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:21:00 - [16] Edited by: T''san Manaan on 14/12/2009 00:21:46 Originally by: The Pacifist Manifesto: Chapter I, Verso xxiv. "Those who would seek peace in times of war must stay unmistakably clear of it. Withdraw yourselves from the view of your enemy and remain unseen, for even the most innocent action is a threat in the eyes of your enemy. This you must understand, for to tempt fate too often is invariably to meet it." Ishukone "purchsed" intaki from the occupying forces and oversees the subjgation of the Intaki people. As long as your forces profit from the labor of an occupied world you should be targeted by the FDU, I support the actions of the FDU and suggest that if you do not wish to be engaged you should leave their space immediatly.
Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.14 00:36:00 - [17] Originally by: T'san Manaan Edited by: T''san Manaan on 14/12/2009 00:21:46 Originally by: The Pacifist Manifesto: Chapter I, Verso xxiv. "Those who would seek peace in times of war must stay unmistakably clear of it. Withdraw yourselves from the view of your enemy and remain unseen, for even the most innocent action is a threat in the eyes of your enemy. This you must understand, for to tempt fate too often is invariably to meet it." Ishukone "purchsed" intaki from the occupying forces and oversees the subjgation of the Intaki people. As long as your forces profit from the labor of an occupied world you should be targeted by the FDU, I support the actions of the FDU and suggest that if you do not wish to be engaged you should leave their space immediatly. To clarify again, as has been clarified multiple times: What was purchased by the Ishukone Corporation was merely development rights. While the system is under Caldari occupancy, they are permitted to take advantage of undeveloped resources until outbid or those rights are revoked. If the system changes to Federation occupancy, naturally Ishukone would have to either renegotiate or face revocation of those rights. A similar case would be if the Intaki system were to indeed secede and become its own sovereign nation. If you have concrete proof that Ishukone has seized existing resource-exploiting operations, then please, enlighten us. I'll certainly be willing to entertain the idea, provided it can be fact-checked by an unbiased neutral entity.
Jianni Sotaku Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2009.12.14 02:50:00 - [18] Pilots of the Federated Union, We must think logically about this situation. The Ishukone/Mordu vessels nor their Capsuleer allies, have been hindering your ability to effectively Plex within the Intaki system. They are not hostile to Federal pilots unless we engage them. This could all change very fast if we don't stop destroying their ships for the sake of it. We could soon see these ships as hostile, stopping any progress in the Intaki system. If you really want them out, work on freeing Intaki from it's occupation. Void their Developmental Rights. Do it the Right way, and this will be a whole lot easier on us. There are plenty of valid war targets that can be fired upon to our benefit. Destroying this convoy is essentially pointless. -------
Kyraella Myshtana	Posted - 2009.12.14 04:19:00 - [19] Precisely. Well said. While it is sometimes difficult to separate the State from the megacorporations, it is very important that we distinguish between civilian and military targets. While Mordu's Legion is in our system as a "security" force, many of their pilots are ethnic Intaki. Please refrain from targeting ships that are not directly interfering with the important work of liberating the galaxy from the Great Unclean. That said, I reiterate my suggestion to Ishukone and its allied corporations that they dock all of their vessels in the region until the fighting is concluded. Now is not a safe time, if only because the chaos encourages piracy. If you feel that you must fly, I urge you to heed the FDU's warnings. Flying civilian ships into declared battlefields, especially the control bunker complexes, seems the height of recklessness. Combatants simply cannot take the chance that your ship is gathering intelligence.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.12.14 11:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Sumerio Rayej As far as what the "Liberation" part of ILF means, perhaps all pilots aren't aware that the ILF pursues an agenda of independence for Intaki. We remain neutral in the Faction War. As an old freedom fighter myself, I feel almost duty bound to point out the flaws in what you have said, given that your home is in the middle of a war zone. There is no such thing as neutrality. The Gallente want it back, the Caldari want to keep it. You should ask yourself where that really leaves you and the ILF. But it is your choice to make, so I will say no more here.
Vincent Death Caldari Hyasyoda External Security Trade and Development	Posted - 2009.12.14 13:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Darius Shakor There is no such thing as neutrality. The Gallente want it back, the Caldari want to keep it. You should ask yourself where that really leaves you and the ILF. There is a third way. A sovereign, independent and free Intaki state that respects contract law and allows free and unrestricted trade within it's borders is a thing to be desired.
Hussain Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.12.14 17:57:00 - [22] Honestly would you think FDU would simply let the State do as it pleases ? Do you know what is Ishukone corporation carrying into the system? They have "brought rhe rights" to develop the system, wouldn't they want to defend it ? How can you be sure they are not carrying weapons ? Strengthning the State defences ? Intaki is still part of the Federation, occupied by the State but part of the Federation stil , how can FDU let the enemy work unmolested there ? Or Ishukone is not helping the State's war and following Titus wishes ?
Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.14 19:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Hussain Honestly would you think FDU would simply let the State do as it pleases ? Do you know what is Ishukone corporation carrying into the system? They have "brought rhe rights" to develop the system, wouldn't they want to defend it ? How can you be sure they are not carrying weapons ? Strengthning the State defences ? Intaki is still part of the Federation, occupied by the State but part of the Federation stil , how can FDU let the enemy work unmolested there ? Or Ishukone is not helping the State's war and following Titus wishes ? If weapons and such materials are being brought into the system, they are most likely meant to keep vessels from the Ishukone Watch supplied for the protection of recently-developed assets, not CPD/Provist/Protectorate facilities and ships. If the latter were the case, resources would likely be imported in via Bustard- and Crane-class heavy and covert transports, and not be flying in the open.
Finistri Nirum Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.12.14 21:27:00 - [24] To be honest, I think the wholesale division of new assets amongst the megacorporations has finally given the Gallente a reason to fight back. I guess the destruction of trillions of ISK in military assets wasn't enough. Nor was the invasion of the Gallente home system and the retaking of Caldari Prime. Although I am pleased to see this sudden change in the so-called Federal Defense Union, I will issue this statement of caution: You do NOT want Ishukone to throw its full weight and might into the newly occupied systems. You saw what happened when extreme measures were used at Malkalen. Do not allow history to repeat itself, or the Caldari military may not stop at taking just one world back. ----- "Friendly fire ain't." ---Unknown soldier
Jakiin	Posted - 2009.12.14 21:53:00 - [25] Never thought we'd hear a plea for reason from one of the Red Vs. Blue psychopaths. Still though, I'm somewhat divided. On the one hand, neither Ishukone nor Ishukone Watch are part of the Protectorate or State Navy. On the other hand, as the Megacorporations effectively form the Caldari Government and one of Heth's first moves was to seize Federation assets within the State the attacking forces certainly have some moral ground. Practically though, it's a bad idea. Many of the Protectorate are happy to let the Gallente keep their systems so long as they stay out of State systems, but that might change very rapidly if they feel that the capsuleer divisions of the Megacorporations are under assault. Combine a resurgent Protectorate with security forces + mercenaries hired by the egger divisions, and the FDU will find that reclaiming its systems will be considerably more difficult than before. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Val Erian Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia	Posted - 2009.12.14 22:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Yo**aka Moromuo Originally by: T'san Manaan Edited by: T''san Manaan on 14/12/2009 00:21:46 Originally by: The Pacifist Manifesto: Chapter I, Verso xxiv. "Those who would seek peace in times of war must stay unmistakably clear of it. Withdraw yourselves from the view of your enemy and remain unseen, for even the most innocent action is a threat in the eyes of your enemy. This you must understand, for to tempt fate too often is invariably to meet it." Ishukone "purchsed" intaki from the occupying forces and oversees the subjgation of the Intaki people. As long as your forces profit from the labor of an occupied world you should be targeted by the FDU, I support the actions of the FDU and suggest that if you do not wish to be engaged you should leave their space immediatly. To clarify again, as has been clarified multiple times: What was purchased by the Ishukone Corporation was merely development rights. While the system is under Caldari occupancy, they are permitted to take advantage of undeveloped resources until outbid or those rights are revoked. If the system changes to Federation occupancy, naturally Ishukone would have to either renegotiate or face revocation of those rights. A similar case would be if the Intaki system were to indeed secede and become its own sovereign nation. If you have concrete proof that Ishukone has seized existing resource-exploiting operations, then please, enlighten us. I'll certainly be willing to entertain the idea, provided it can be fact-checked by an unbiased neutral entity. If the system returns to Federation control the rights will be immediatly null. Perhaps you could get your isk back from Tibus, who "sold' a resource he did not own. This smokescreen about 'development rights' and ' security forces protecting company assets' is just PR verbage for selling by the State of Ownership of Federation Systems. perhaps you should look at the Ishukone Watch ships.. were it clearly states 'Ishkone bought this system' As others have said the megacorps are the State. The Caldari are the most meddlesome of races alwasy hiding their actions behind corporate smokescreens... "Oh thats just a subsidiary... thats just a mix up between our Security arm and the Navy that the convoy was destroyed.." That being said I will refrain from engaging Ishukone Haulers and their escorts. including Mordus because ILF have asked this. But members of Caldari Megacorps must stay out of the military complexs.. These are a war zone, neutral ships are in danger.
Saxon Hawke Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2009.12.14 22:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Val Erian That being said I will refrain from engaging Ishukone Haulers and their escorts. including Mordus because ILF have asked this. General Erian, thank you for your understanding in this matter. It is the belief of the ILF that no meaningful peace can be obtained in the Intaki System if civilian vessels are made targets of war. We would expect the same consideration to be paid to Federation civilians operating in the area as well.
theRaptor Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2009.12.14 22:56:00 - [28] Non-militia of non-neutral standing should not be traipsing around in warzones and expect not to get shot. The wars may be limited by CONCORD decree but it is very obvious that empire assets outside the militias proper will be targeted if they enter the war zones. --- Paladin Crusader of Amarrian Retribution (24th IC).
John Revenent Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.14 23:22:00 - [29] Originally by: theRaptor Non-militia of non-neutral standing should not be traipsing around in warzones and expect not to get shot. The wars may be limited by CONCORD decree but it is very obvious that empire assets outside the militias proper will be targeted if they enter the war zones. Ishukone-Raata Enforcers are not being engaged in Military designated sites.. We however are being targeted and engaged in the asteroid belts of Intaki without reason other then we are I quote "Squid Scum". For such a open "Culture" it sure does breed racism, and hate. Enforcers have standing orders to report destruction of Ishukone and Mordu vessels, any pilots found guilty of murdering innocents will be deemed valid targets.
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.12.15 00:24:00 - [30] Originally by: John Revenent Ishukone-Raata Enforcers are not being engaged in Military designated sites.. We however are being targeted and engaged in the asteroid belts of Intaki without reason other then we are I quote "Squid Scum". For such a open "Culture" it sure does breed racism, and hate. Please note that all parties are being engaged by Serpentis pirates in the asteroid belts for no apparent reason. Asteroid belts are dangerous for "civilians" such as yourself in all of New Eden. As for the incident in question, the rumor is that said FDU parties were "yellow boxed" in an attempt to bait them into a fight. Care to confirm/deny?
Jyotmimana Karana	Posted - 2009.12.15 00:26:00 - [31] Although our Intaki brethren are known to fly under the Mordu banner, we true Intaki still support their destruction. They have chosen to side with the Caldari invaders and should die as such. Regardless of what Saxon Hawke and his band of sell-outs and traitors may have told you, Intaki is not for sale at any price. The people of Intaki will not be made into worker-slaves to serve the megacorporations of the state. As has been seen elsewhere, the megacorps may espouse their "development rights" logic in order to gain a foothold, but once entrenched they quickly move to implement full State control. I encourage all Intaki pilots to actively oppose and engage any Caldari pilot they see anywhere in Intaki. Let us make the message clear: The Intaki System is for the Intaki People.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.12.15 03:44:00 - [32] Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana As has been seen elsewhere, the megacorps may espouse their "development rights" logic in order to gain a foothold, but once entrenched they quickly move to implement full State control. You mean like in high-sec Sinq Laison? or how about in the neighboring constellation of Alselbosier? Ishukone already has development rights in those areas and has stations there. sarcasm Clearly they are under full State control, end sarcasm whatever that means. CEO, Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Ans Blix Amarr Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2009.12.15 04:53:00 - [33] Originally by: John Revenent Your attitude toward the situation is cold it is a perfect example of what hate, racism, and war does to a person. Funny, similar attitude to your leader Tibus Heth then? Regardless of the strict guidelines my corporation lays out in referance to Rules of Engagement, any ship that flies the flag of the State or aids in its objectives, regardless of Creed, Race, mission or objectives, in my eyes, is hostile. This is war, plain...simple The battle of Will over Reason Silence is a true friend that never betrays
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.12.15 05:45:00 - [34] Originally by: Ans Blix Originally by: John Revenent Your attitude toward the situation is cold it is a perfect example of what hate, racism, and war does to a person. Funny, similar attitude to your leader Tibus Heth then? ... This is war, plain...simple Expect his leader isn't Tibus Heth. His leader would be Mens Reppola, since I-RED is an Ishukone and not a KK capsuleer organization. My leader isn't Tibus Heth either, but Alakoni Ishanoya. Jagii just can't seem to understand that despite what the Scope, Echelon Entertainment, and KK's CEO tell you; the Caldari State does not have a single head of government running a national level fascist dictatorship. As evidence I offer you the present infighting between the megacorporations! This may be war, but it is in no way simple. War is politics and politics are not simple. For you a tool, a weapon, a soldier in this war, they may appear simple - you shoot who you are told to shoot and that is the end of it. For those leaders thinking beyond the next patrol, beyond the next operation, beyond the next campaign, it is far from simple. CEO, Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.	Posted - 2009.12.15 05:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Dex Nederland This may be war, but it is in no way simple. War is politics and politics are not simple. For you a tool, a weapon, a soldier in this war, they may appear simple - you shoot who you are told to shoot and that is the end of it. For those leaders thinking beyond the next patrol, beyond the next operation, beyond the next campaign, it is far from simple. And anyone with loved ones in any empire should be praying that this war does not become simple.
Ans Blix Amarr Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2009.12.15 13:42:00 - [36] Originally by: Dex Nederland Originally by: Ans Blix Expect his leader isn't Tibus Heth. His leader would be Mens Reppola, since I-RED is an Ishukone and not a KK capsuleer organization. My leader isn't Tibus Heth either, but Alakoni Ishanoya. I'm sorry, am i being lead to assume that it was Mens Reppola and Alakoni Ishanoya, 2 people who, personally, i've never see around are the reason we're at war? No, i think not. Tibus Heth - Declared war on the Federation - Owns majority shares in ALL of the Corporations ((Last time i read anyway, open to correction here)) - Is openly racist to those of Gallente blood Who else but a leader can do point 1 and 2 above? If Tibus wasn't the leader, your right, this war is very far from simple Which brings be me back to my orginal quotation Quote: Your attitude toward the situation is cold it is a perfect example of what hate, racism, and war does to a person. Which, in my opinion, fits perfectly with your... whatever you want to call him The battle of Will over Reason Silence is a true friend that never betrays
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.12.15 15:16:00 - [37] Originally by: Ans Blix Originally by: Dex Nederland Originally by: Ans Blix Expect his leader isn't Tibus Heth. His leader would be Mens Reppola, since I-RED is an Ishukone and not a KK capsuleer organization. My leader isn't Tibus Heth either, but Alakoni Ishanoya. I'm sorry, am i being lead to assume that it was Mens Reppola and Alakoni Ishanoya, 2 people who, personally, i've never see around are the reason we're at war? No, i think not. Tibus Heth 1) Declared war on the Federation 2) Owns majority shares in ALL of the Corporations ((Last time i read anyway, open to correction here)) 3) Is openly racist to those of Gallente blood Who else but a leader can do point 1 and 2 above? If Tibus wasn't the leader, your right, this war is very far from simple Numbered for ease of reference. You mean you don't read the Scope when it talked about the selection of Ishukone's new CEO after a year without one because a Federation Navy Nyx slammed into the Ishukone Stations killing thousands including the old CEO and his backup clones? 1) The CONCORD Militia Act is a mutually agreed to proxy war; the President and Senate of the Federation and CEP gave their agents within CONCORD authorization to join this war. If you want to discuss the events that lead up to the invasion of Luminaire and liberation of Caldari Prime as a war, I reference you back to why Mens Reppola is now CEO of Ishukone. 2) Tibus Heth from my understanding personally owns ZERO shares in any corporations. An anonymous benefactor placed him as CEO of CC and he rose from that position on a wave of populist support. His corporation, KK, however has significant stakes in a fair number corporations, but far far from all of them. What you are referencing is the decision a year and a half ago in which the corporations partnered with KK-YtiRi and the CPD, giving the CPD direct access to the State's industrial base.* Access to the industrial base if far from control of all the corporations. It is far less control than the nationalization attempt by your former President. 3) I will not excuse his racism, but I will point out plenty of your leaders are also openly racist (against any who are not the same blood as they are). CEO, Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Jyotmimana Karana	Posted - 2009.12.15 19:30:00 - [38] Edited by: Jyotmimana Karana on 15/12/2009 19:30:34 Originally by: Dex Nederland Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana As has been seen elsewhere, the megacorps may espouse their "development rights" logic in order to gain a foothold, but once entrenched they quickly move to implement full State control. You mean like in high-sec Sinq Laison? or how about in the neighboring constellation of Alselbosier? Ishukone already has development rights in those areas and has stations there. sarcasm Clearly they are under full State control, end sarcasm whatever that means. Mr. Nederland your sarcasm is neither witty nor relevant to the issue at hand. The operation of corporations within high security Federation space is entirely different than in occupied Intaki space. In high security space there is absolutely no question that the Federation is sovereign and the megacorps are simply doing business like any other corporation. In occupied space, we have seen the Caldari take over control of planetary governments and reallocate private wealth. It is imperative that the Intaki resistance unite under a common banner and expel ALL foreign nationals, militia fighters and any impure Intaki and firmly establish the sovereignty of Intaki once and for all.
Kyraella Myshtana Intaki Resistance Organization	Posted - 2009.12.15 20:08:00 - [39] Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana In occupied space, we have seen the Caldari take over control of planetary governments and reallocate private wealth. It is imperative that the Intaki resistance unite under a common banner and expel ALL foreign nationals, militia fighters and any impure Intaki and firmly establish the sovereignty of Intaki once and for all. Impure Intakis? By this do you mean those who choose to side with the Great Unclean and use violence against their own people? If instead you intend some kind of cultural revolution as advocated by the Intaki Liberation Front, then I beg you to reconsider. Ida recognizes differing paths of growth. While that of the traitor should lead to the death of that vessel, the path of cosmopolitanism should be accepted as a way for the spirit to frame the wisdom gained in previous incarnations amongst our people. Likewise, the expulsion of foreign nationals, such as our Gallente brethren, would deny the opportunity of such growth to those who are, in this life, planetbound. Finally, the Federation's militia is our people's best hope for restoring the peace we have so long cherished. Whilst I strongly disagree with any number of Federation policies, we have always had more success negotiating with a society based on individual rights than on wholesale submission to the Great Unclean Path. Enlightenment comes not from mindless obedience, nor in isolation from ideas that challenge us to think. We must always seek out new thoughts and experiences through which our souls may gain wisdom. Our strength is, and always has been, our willingness to Consider when others simply act. I urge you to Consider what our friendship with the Federation has cost us versus the treasures we have gained. Perhaps we must act to remind our Gallente friends that this is a Federation, not a State; but, pursuit of secession has received too little Consideration for us to act so precipitously.
Saxon Hawke Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2009.12.15 22:55:00 - [40] Edited by: Saxon Hawke on 15/12/2009 22:55:58 Originally by: Kyraella Myshtana If instead you intend some kind of cultural revolution as advocated by the Intaki Liberation Front, then I beg you to reconsider. I urge you to Consider what our friendship with the Federation has cost us versus the treasures we have gained. Perhaps we must act to remind our Gallente friends that this is a Federation, not a State; but, pursuit of secession has received too little Consideration for us to act so precipitously. Madame Myshtana, the ILF does not seek a cultural revolution. We seek cultural restoration. It is true the Gallente brought spaceflight to the Intaki and for that we owe them thanks. But they have also brought us centuries of neglect, cultural erosion and a morally bankrupt fraud of a democracy. Any benefit the Intaki stood to gain from the Gallente was realized long ago. The best path for the Intaki now is to forge ahead in their own state; to control their own destiny. The Gallente could and should be considered an ally, but the time has long since passed to hold them as our sovereigns.
Jyotmimana Karana	Posted - 2009.12.15 23:15:00 - [41] I don't know what is worse, duplicitous power-mongers like Saxon or Federation-apologists like Kyraella. You are both impure. Saxon is corrupt by his own desire for importance and Kyraella is a lost cause. Judging from the brainwashed ramblings she offers up, she's more Gallente than Intaki now. The Intaki System and its natural inhabitants would be a lot better off if you, and all the others like you would see your way to the nearest exit. The Intaki do not want you and we do not need you.
Kyraella Myshtana Intaki Resistance Organization	Posted - 2009.12.16 01:04:00 - [42] Originally by: Saxon Hawke Madame Myshtana, the ILF does not seek a cultural revolution. We seek cultural restoration. Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana I don't know what is worse, duplicitous power-mongers like Saxon or Federation-apologists like Kyraella. You are both impure. Saxon is corrupt by his own desire for importance and Kyraella is a lost cause. Judging from the brainwashed ramblings she offers up, she's more Gallente than Intaki now. The Intaki System and its natural inhabitants would be a lot better off if you, and all the others like you would see your way to the nearest exit. The Intaki do not want you and we do not need you. Saxon Kainta, This is precisely what I fear could be the unintended result of the ILF's program of "cultural restoration". Here we have an Intaki who sincerely believes that he understands who we are as a people and yet he displays little actual knowledge of our history, particularly the centuries past in which our culture was most "pure". Consider the impact upon an independent Intaki nation should a group like his Intaki Pure faction obtain the political might to institute their own program of "restoration". Would they, as the Great Unclean recently did, secretly drag Idamas from their quietudes and subject them to "purification"? I shudder to think of our own people turning against each other, as we did before the Gallente came. Will we once again spill blood because a person was born an Atanka and not a Harani? Of course we will. The Cycle turns... It always does. Such a pity...
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.12.16 06:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana Edited by: Jyotmimana Karana on 15/12/2009 19:30:34 Originally by: Dex Nederland Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana As has been seen elsewhere, the megacorps may espouse their "development rights" logic in order to gain a foothold, but once entrenched they quickly move to implement full State control. You mean like in high-sec Sinq Laison? or how about in the neighboring constellation of Alselbosier? Ishukone already has development rights in those areas and has stations there. sarcasm Clearly they are under full State control, end sarcasm whatever that means. Mr. Nederland your sarcasm is neither witty nor relevant to the issue at hand. The operation of corporations within high security Federation space is entirely different than in occupied Intaki space. In high security space there is absolutely no question that the Federation is sovereign and the megacorps are simply doing business like any other corporation. The Alselbosier constellation is low security space. The Caldari Business Tribunal, the Caldari State's national court, has multiple stations in the constellation. The systems are recorded by CONCORD as under Federal sovereignty and cannot be occupied by the STPRO. CEO, Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Hussain Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.12.16 11:29:00 - [44] Yesterday I took some time to see the situation on Astral Station Intaki V for myself. Half a dozen Ishukone haulers going about it bussiness escorted by Mordu Legion cruisers. I could not acertain the cargo of the haulers even using latest technology available on the market... are they empty ? Or someone is taking extraordinary meassures to assure secrecy ? As for the Mordu well they are Wanted by CONCORD as they are in most Civilized parts of the galaxy (more than once I have been called upon to foil their plans in the Federation, being that assasination or piracy raids) and their ties to the State are more than known so I dealt them the justice they deserved. ILF are always claiming they fight pirates and such to the point of labeling FDU pirates for attacking rightfull targets, aren't the Mordu pirates, assasins and worst ? Ishukone by opening sided with them are not to be punished also? Or as usual your State's paycheck is enough to make you turn a blind eye ?
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.12.16 15:01:00 - [45] Originally by: Hussain As for the Mordu well they are Wanted by CONCORD as they are in most Civilized parts of the galaxy (more than once I have been called upon to foil their plans in the Federation, being that assasination or piracy raids) and their ties to the State are more than known so I dealt them the justice they deserved. No more than the Intaki Syndicate or Roden Shipyards. I have been called upon to foil Roden's plans in the State more than once. And noted; the Federation considers the private military corporation Mordu's Legion to be pirates. So, when the State and its corporations label a Federation-friendly PMC pirates you will be alright with that? Or are you going to argue that the State is illegal? In which case, I would like to see why the Republic is legal based upon the same reasoning. CEO, Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Hussain Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.12.16 15:13:00 - [46] Originally by: Dex Nederland No more than the Intaki Syndicate or Roden Shipyards. I have been called upon to foil Roden's plans in the State more than once. And noted; the Federation considers the private military corporation Mordu's Legion to be pirates. If Roden or any other corp is flaged by CONCORD as Wanted them I do think they are Pirates and should be treated accordingly. Dont you ?
Saxon Hawke Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2009.12.16 21:39:00 - [47] Originally by: Hussain If Roden or any other corp is flaged by CONCORD as Wanted them I do think they are Pirates and should be treated accordingly. Dont you ? According to my tactical display neither the Ishukone or Mordu's Legion ships have been so flagged. Both appear white in my display. In accordance with the ILF's long-standing NRDS shoot policy, until such time as that changes, ILF pilots will not engage.
Jyotmimana Karana Intaki Pure	Posted - 2009.12.16 22:42:00 - [48] Originally by: Saxon Hawke In accordance with the ILF's long-standing NRDS shoot policy, until such time as that changes, ILF pilots will not engage. A typical Saxon Hawke answer if ever there was one. Tell us, oh great Suresha, how much did Ishukone pay for your friendship? How many "donations" to your relief effort did it take for you to turn traitor to your people? If he were around today, what would Phantomas think of the man to whom he left the banner of Intaki freedom?
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.	Posted - 2009.12.16 22:49:00 - [49] Originally by: Hussain If Roden or any other corp is flaged by CONCORD as Wanted them I do think they are Pirates and should be treated accordingly. Dont you ? Did this strike anyone else as hilarious?
John Revenent Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.17 05:49:00 - [50] Edited by: John Revenent on 17/12/2009 05:50:43 The FDU still persist that Ishukone is the enemy of the Federation, with the actions of the Moira. Corporation that resulted in the deliberate destruction of 2 Ishukone Haulers, a Mordu Escort, and a Ishukone-Raata Harpy class Assault Frigate. With these blatant attacks against Ishukone and Ishukone-Raata, we are forced to take action against the involved parties to stop the murdering of innocents. As of YC111.12.16 Ishukone-Raata and its partners will be actively intercepting the operations of Moira. within the Intaki system and any FDU pilots who feel the urge to assist them in their acts of piracy and terrorism against Ishukone and the State.
Jakiin	Posted - 2009.12.17 06:08:00 - [51] Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana A typical Saxon Hawke answer if ever there was one. Diplomatic, neutral, yes it seems quite typical of him. Quote: Tell us, oh great Suresha, how much did Ishukone pay for your friendship? How many "donations" to your relief effort did it take for you to turn traitor to your people? How many 'medical' drugs did you imbibe to get to the point where you honestly believe that anyone who is not your enemy's enemy is also your enemy? Intaki Pure are one of the more disappointing bands of fanatics out there. The differences between you and the ILF consist largely of your racist hiring policies, your 'accuse first' debating methods, and the noted lack of relief you provide to the Intaki people despite claiming to fight for them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Jianni Sotaku Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2009.12.17 06:19:00 - [52] Originally by: Jianni Sotaku This could all change very fast if we don't stop destroying their ships for the sake of it. We could soon see these ships as hostile, stopping any progress in the Intaki System ... I hate to say I told you so. Be smart pilots of the union. The more enemies you attract, the harder it will be to achieve the goal of low security liberation within the Warzone. Deal with the Ishukone and Mordu forces if they are hostile to you. Otherwise, what's the point.
Julianus Soter Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2009.12.17 07:03:00 - [53] Edited by: Julianus Soter on 17/12/2009 07:04:00 Originally by: John Revenent Edited by: John Revenent on 17/12/2009 05:50:43 The FDU still persist that Ishukone is the enemy of the Federation, with the actions of the Moira. Corporation that resulted in the deliberate destruction of 2 Ishukone Haulers, a Mordu Escort, and a Ishukone-Raata Harpy class Assault Frigate. Ah, yes. You and your Harpy-class Assault Frigate had arrived at a Caldari Navy installation in the Intaki system. We tagged you as hostile on our IFF, chased you down and destroyed your ship. I suggested at the time that it had not been wise for I-RED -combat vessels- to enter the vicinity of a Caldari Navy -combat- facility. The destruction of your ship was a demonstration of that lesson. And it seems that you have much yet to learn.
Hussain Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.12.17 11:27:00 - [54] Originally by: Saxon Hawke According to my tactical display neither the Ishukone or Mordu's Legion ships have been so flagged. Both appear white in my display. In accordance with the ILF's long-standing NRDS shoot policy, until such time as that changes, ILF pilots will not engage. I truly advice a good glass cleaner and a good piece of cloth to remove the smudge you your screens. Look carefully examine the Mordus troughly Mr. Hawk. I dont speak for FDU but yes Ishukone is a part of the government that declared war on the Fedration. Doesnt that make them our enemies ?
Draco C	Posted - 2009.12.17 11:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Hussain Originally by: Saxon Hawke I dont speak for FDU but yes Ishukone is a part of the government that declared war on the Fedration. Doesnt that make them our enemies ? I do not believe this is correct, M. Hussain - the Federation Navy and FDU is at war against the State Protectorate and the Caldari Navy. If Ishukone assets were a viable target, then their stations in Ingenhes would be forefit. Last I checked, it was buisness as usual in there. I have no conflict with the Ishukone corporation or I-RED, and will do my best to leave them alone and disengage. But if I am backed into a corner, I may not have many other options. It is a simple request - Ishukone and I-RED, I will leave you, your assets and your operations alone, but in return, you must stay out of millitary complexes in the region. I cannot guarantee your safety should you fail to do this.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.12.17 14:51:00 - [56] Originally by: Hussain I dont speak for FDU but yes Ishukone is a part of the government that declared war on the Fedration. Doesnt that make them our enemies ? Quafe has full corporate status in the State; it is for all intents a member of the State and the government that declared war on the Federation in your opinion. CreoDron is 35% owned by CBD, a Caldari megacorporation. Are Quafe and CreoDron your enemy? Five of the eight Caldari megacorporations have stations in the Federation, Sinq Laison high security space, are you assaulting the convoys leaving these stations as well? CEO, Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Julianus Soter Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2009.12.17 15:47:00 - [57] Ishukone Corporation and all of its subsidiaries are full participants in the Caldari Executive Board, which is in turn in command of all Caldari Navy combat assets. The Providence directorate and State Protectorate answer to Tibush Heth and in turn to the Executive Board proper. All Ishukone ships in the zone of conflict are in material aid to the Caldari Navy and their occupation of Federation Space. Federal pilots are fully authorized by our government to engage and destroy them.
Scaeva Minmatar Moira.	Posted - 2009.12.17 17:55:00 - [58] If you wish for a cessation of hostilities between Moira. and Ishuk-Raata, we require a deposit of one billion isk, paid to the account of either Mr. Soter or myself. This money will of course be used to compensate the victims of your continued support of the Caldari tyrants currently crushing the population of Intaki beneath their goosestepping, fascist bootheels.
Akira Revan Caldari Ishukone-Raata Sertelensah Kenzertis	Posted - 2009.12.17 20:21:00 - [59] Edited by: Akira Revan on 17/12/2009 20:22:27 So Moira is truly no more then a pirate corporation, now trying to ransom Ishukone-Raata for a petty sum of isk. I can assure you that statement and your actions will only strengthen Ishukone-Raata resolve, Moira has made a grave mistake that could eventually effect all FDU operations. I-RSK has taken note of the situation and will assist the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive in their interdiction operations.
Jonny Damordred Moira.	Posted - 2009.12.18 01:56:00 - [60] Originally by: Akira Revan I can assure you that statement and your actions will only strengthen Ishukone-Raata resolve, Moira has made a grave mistake that could eventually effect all FDU operations. I-RSK has taken note of the situation and will assist the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive in their interdiction operations. Nice posturing. You know, back in the day people used to follow up statements like this with wardecs. I find it interesting that the collective spine of my enemies seems to shrink the older I get. Jonny D. --- Professor of Gunboat Diplomacy
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2009.12.18 02:40:00 - [61] At approx. 0230 hours today, the Comet-class frigate EL-G Sentinel entered the Intaki system, to find that 7 pilots of the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive were currently flagged with 'Global Criminal Countdowns', thus identifying them as 'pirates' in the purest legalistic sense. This indicates that I-RED have been interrupting militia activities by engaging FDU elements, the same way FDU have been disrupting Ishukone activities by engaging Ishukone elements. Who are the pirates now?
Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.12.18 02:48:00 - [62] Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores At approx. 0230 hours today, the Comet-class frigate EL-G Sentinel entered the Intaki system, to find that 7 pilots of the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive were currently flagged with 'Global Criminal Countdowns', thus identifying them as 'pirates' in the purest legalistic sense. This indicates that I-RED have been interrupting militia activities by engaging FDU elements, the same way FDU have been disrupting Ishukone activities by engaging Ishukone elements. Who are the pirates now? Were you around for the engagement, you would know that the GCCs were a result of non-militia entities - members of the alliance Advocated Destruction - engaging (and summarily being engaged by) I-RED forces. Combat logs can be provided to show these events have occurred as detailed, including a loss suffered by one of our own.
Cer'ana Minmatar Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2009.12.18 02:56:00 - [63] Seriphyn publicizing conclusions useful for his own agenda without anything more than flimsy circumstantial evidence to back it up? I'm stunned.

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