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Jyotmimana Karana
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Posted - 2009.12.15 00:26:00 -
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Although our Intaki brethren are known to fly under the Mordu banner, we true Intaki still support their destruction. They have chosen to side with the Caldari invaders and should die as such.
Regardless of what Saxon Hawke and his band of sell-outs and traitors may have told you, Intaki is not for sale at any price. The people of Intaki will not be made into worker-slaves to serve the megacorporations of the state.
As has been seen elsewhere, the megacorps may espouse their "development rights" logic in order to gain a foothold, but once entrenched they quickly move to implement full State control.
I encourage all Intaki pilots to actively oppose and engage any Caldari pilot they see anywhere in Intaki. Let us make the message clear: The Intaki System is for the Intaki People.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.15 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana As has been seen elsewhere, the megacorps may espouse their "development rights" logic in order to gain a foothold, but once entrenched they quickly move to implement full State control.
You mean like in high-sec Sinq Laison? or how about in the neighboring constellation of Alselbosier?
Ishukone already has development rights in those areas and has stations there. *sarcasm* Clearly they are under full State control, *end sarcasm* whatever that means.
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Ans Blix
Amarr Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.15 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: John Revenent Your attitude toward the situation is cold it is a perfect example of what hate, racism, and war does to a person.
Funny, similar attitude to your leader Tibus Heth then?
Regardless of the strict guidelines my corporation lays out in referance to Rules of Engagement, any ship that flies the flag of the State or aids in its objectives, regardless of Creed, Race, mission or objectives, in my eyes, is hostile.
This is war, plain...simple The battle of Will over Reason
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.15 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ans Blix
Originally by: John Revenent Your attitude toward the situation is cold it is a perfect example of what hate, racism, and war does to a person.
Funny, similar attitude to your leader Tibus Heth then?
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This is war, plain...simple
Expect his leader isn't Tibus Heth. His leader would be Mens Reppola, since I-RED is an Ishukone and not a KK capsuleer organization.
My leader isn't Tibus Heth either, but Alakoni Ishanoya.
Jagii just can't seem to understand that despite what the Scope, Echelon Entertainment, and KK's CEO tell you; the Caldari State does not have a single head of government running a national level fascist dictatorship. As evidence I offer you the present infighting between the megacorporations!
This may be war, but it is in no way simple. War is politics and politics are not simple.
For you a tool, a weapon, a soldier in this war, they may appear simple - you shoot who you are told to shoot and that is the end of it.
For those leaders thinking beyond the next patrol, beyond the next operation, beyond the next campaign, it is far from simple.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.12.15 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland This may be war, but it is in no way simple. War is politics and politics are not simple.
For you a tool, a weapon, a soldier in this war, they may appear simple - you shoot who you are told to shoot and that is the end of it.
For those leaders thinking beyond the next patrol, beyond the next operation, beyond the next campaign, it is far from simple.
And anyone with loved ones in any empire should be praying that this war does not become simple.
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Ans Blix
Amarr Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.15 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: Ans Blix
Expect his leader isn't Tibus Heth. His leader would be Mens Reppola, since I-RED is an Ishukone and not a KK capsuleer organization.
My leader isn't Tibus Heth either, but Alakoni Ishanoya.
I'm sorry, am i being lead to assume that it was Mens Reppola and Alakoni Ishanoya, 2 people who, personally, i've never see around are the reason we're at war? No, i think not.
Tibus Heth - Declared war on the Federation - Owns majority shares in ALL of the Corporations ((Last time i read anyway, open to correction here)) - Is openly racist to those of Gallente blood
Who else but a leader can do point 1 and 2 above? If Tibus wasn't the leader, your right, this war is very far from simple
Which brings be me back to my orginal quotation
Quote: Your attitude toward the situation is cold it is a perfect example of what hate, racism, and war does to a person.
Which, in my opinion, fits perfectly with your... whatever you want to call him The battle of Will over Reason
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.15 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ans Blix
Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: Ans Blix
Expect his leader isn't Tibus Heth. His leader would be Mens Reppola, since I-RED is an Ishukone and not a KK capsuleer organization.
My leader isn't Tibus Heth either, but Alakoni Ishanoya.
I'm sorry, am i being lead to assume that it was Mens Reppola and Alakoni Ishanoya, 2 people who, personally, i've never see around are the reason we're at war? No, i think not.
Tibus Heth 1) Declared war on the Federation 2) Owns majority shares in ALL of the Corporations ((Last time i read anyway, open to correction here)) 3) Is openly racist to those of Gallente blood
Who else but a leader can do point 1 and 2 above? If Tibus wasn't the leader, your right, this war is very far from simple
Numbered for ease of reference.
You mean you don't read the Scope when it talked about the selection of Ishukone's new CEO after a year without one because a Federation Navy Nyx slammed into the Ishukone Stations killing thousands including the old CEO and his backup clones?
1) The CONCORD Militia Act is a mutually agreed to proxy war; the President and Senate of the Federation and CEP gave their agents within CONCORD authorization to join this war. If you want to discuss the events that lead up to the invasion of Luminaire and liberation of Caldari Prime as a war, I reference you back to why Mens Reppola is now CEO of Ishukone.
2) Tibus Heth from my understanding personally owns ZERO shares in any corporations. An anonymous benefactor placed him as CEO of CC and he rose from that position on a wave of populist support. His corporation, KK, however has significant stakes in a fair number corporations, but far far from all of them. What you are referencing is the decision a year and a half ago in which the corporations partnered with KK-YtiRi and the CPD, giving the CPD direct access to the State's industrial base.*
Access to the industrial base if far from control of all the corporations. It is far less control than the nationalization attempt by your former President.
3) I will not excuse his racism, but I will point out plenty of your leaders are also openly racist (against any who are not the same blood as they are).
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Jyotmimana Karana
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Posted - 2009.12.15 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jyotmimana Karana on 15/12/2009 19:30:34
Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana As has been seen elsewhere, the megacorps may espouse their "development rights" logic in order to gain a foothold, but once entrenched they quickly move to implement full State control.
You mean like in high-sec Sinq Laison? or how about in the neighboring constellation of Alselbosier?
Ishukone already has development rights in those areas and has stations there. *sarcasm* Clearly they are under full State control, *end sarcasm* whatever that means.
Mr. Nederland your sarcasm is neither witty nor relevant to the issue at hand. The operation of corporations within high security Federation space is entirely different than in occupied Intaki space.
In high security space there is absolutely no question that the Federation is sovereign and the megacorps are simply doing business like any other corporation.
In occupied space, we have seen the Caldari take over control of planetary governments and reallocate private wealth. It is imperative that the Intaki resistance unite under a common banner and expel ALL foreign nationals, militia fighters and any impure Intaki and firmly establish the sovereignty of Intaki once and for all.
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Kyraella Myshtana
Intaki Resistance Organization
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Posted - 2009.12.15 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana In occupied space, we have seen the Caldari take over control of planetary governments and reallocate private wealth. It is imperative that the Intaki resistance unite under a common banner and expel ALL foreign nationals, militia fighters and any impure Intaki and firmly establish the sovereignty of Intaki once and for all.
Impure Intakis? By this do you mean those who choose to side with the Great Unclean and use violence against their own people?
If instead you intend some kind of cultural revolution as advocated by the Intaki Liberation Front, then I beg you to reconsider. Ida recognizes differing paths of growth. While that of the traitor should lead to the death of that vessel, the path of cosmopolitanism should be accepted as a way for the spirit to frame the wisdom gained in previous incarnations amongst our people.
Likewise, the expulsion of foreign nationals, such as our Gallente brethren, would deny the opportunity of such growth to those who are, in this life, planetbound.
Finally, the Federation's militia is our people's best hope for restoring the peace we have so long cherished. Whilst I strongly disagree with any number of Federation policies, we have always had more success negotiating with a society based on individual rights than on wholesale submission to the Great Unclean Path.
Enlightenment comes not from mindless obedience, nor in isolation from ideas that challenge us to think. We must always seek out new thoughts and experiences through which our souls may gain wisdom. Our strength is, and always has been, our willingness to Consider when others simply act.
I urge you to Consider what our friendship with the Federation has cost us versus the treasures we have gained. Perhaps we must act to remind our Gallente friends that this is a Federation, not a State; but, pursuit of secession has received too little Consideration for us to act so precipitously.
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Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.12.15 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Saxon Hawke on 15/12/2009 22:55:58
Originally by: Kyraella Myshtana If instead you intend some kind of cultural revolution as advocated by the Intaki Liberation Front, then I beg you to reconsider. I urge you to Consider what our friendship with the Federation has cost us versus the treasures we have gained. Perhaps we must act to remind our Gallente friends that this is a Federation, not a State; but, pursuit of secession has received too little Consideration for us to act so precipitously.
Madame Myshtana, the ILF does not seek a cultural revolution. We seek cultural restoration. It is true the Gallente brought spaceflight to the Intaki and for that we owe them thanks.
But they have also brought us centuries of neglect, cultural erosion and a morally bankrupt fraud of a democracy.
Any benefit the Intaki stood to gain from the Gallente was realized long ago. The best path for the Intaki now is to forge ahead in their own state; to control their own destiny.
The Gallente could and should be considered an ally, but the time has long since passed to hold them as our sovereigns.
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Jyotmimana Karana
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Posted - 2009.12.15 23:15:00 -
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I don't know what is worse, duplicitous power-mongers like Saxon or Federation-apologists like Kyraella.
You are both impure. Saxon is corrupt by his own desire for importance and Kyraella is a lost cause. Judging from the brainwashed ramblings she offers up, she's more Gallente than Intaki now.
The Intaki System and its natural inhabitants would be a lot better off if you, and all the others like you would see your way to the nearest exit.
The Intaki do not want you and we do not need you.
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Kyraella Myshtana
Intaki Resistance Organization
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Posted - 2009.12.16 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Saxon Hawke Madame Myshtana, the ILF does not seek a cultural revolution. We seek cultural restoration.
Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana I don't know what is worse, duplicitous power-mongers like Saxon or Federation-apologists like Kyraella.
You are both impure. Saxon is corrupt by his own desire for importance and Kyraella is a lost cause. Judging from the brainwashed ramblings she offers up, she's more Gallente than Intaki now.
The Intaki System and its natural inhabitants would be a lot better off if you, and all the others like you would see your way to the nearest exit.
The Intaki do not want you and we do not need you.
Saxon Kainta,
This is precisely what I fear could be the unintended result of the ILF's program of "cultural restoration". Here we have an Intaki who sincerely believes that he understands who we are as a people and yet he displays little actual knowledge of our history, particularly the centuries past in which our culture was most "pure".
Consider the impact upon an independent Intaki nation should a group like his Intaki Pure faction obtain the political might to institute their own program of "restoration".
Would they, as the Great Unclean recently did, secretly drag Idamas from their quietudes and subject them to "purification"?
I shudder to think of our own people turning against each other, as we did before the Gallente came. Will we once again spill blood because a person was born an Atanka and not a Harani?
Of course we will. The Cycle turns... It always does.
Such a pity...
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.16 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana Edited by: Jyotmimana Karana on 15/12/2009 19:30:34
Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana As has been seen elsewhere, the megacorps may espouse their "development rights" logic in order to gain a foothold, but once entrenched they quickly move to implement full State control.
You mean like in high-sec Sinq Laison? or how about in the neighboring constellation of Alselbosier?
Ishukone already has development rights in those areas and has stations there. *sarcasm* Clearly they are under full State control, *end sarcasm* whatever that means.
Mr. Nederland your sarcasm is neither witty nor relevant to the issue at hand. The operation of corporations within high security Federation space is entirely different than in occupied Intaki space.
In high security space there is absolutely no question that the Federation is sovereign and the megacorps are simply doing business like any other corporation.
The Alselbosier constellation is low security space. The Caldari Business Tribunal, the Caldari State's national court, has multiple stations in the constellation. The systems are recorded by CONCORD as under Federal sovereignty and cannot be occupied by the STPRO.
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Hussain
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.12.16 11:29:00 -
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Yesterday I took some time to see the situation on Astral Station Intaki V for myself.
Half a dozen Ishukone haulers going about it bussiness escorted by Mordu Legion cruisers.
I could not acertain the cargo of the haulers even using latest technology available on the market... are they empty ? Or someone is taking extraordinary meassures to assure secrecy ?
As for the Mordu well they are Wanted by CONCORD as they are in most Civilized parts of the galaxy (more than once I have been called upon to foil their plans in the Federation, being that assasination or piracy raids) and their ties to the State are more than known so I dealt them the justice they deserved.
ILF are always claiming they fight pirates and such to the point of labeling FDU pirates for attacking rightfull targets, aren't the Mordu pirates, assasins and worst ? Ishukone by opening sided with them are not to be punished also?
Or as usual your State's paycheck is enough to make you turn a blind eye ?
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.16 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hussain As for the Mordu well they are Wanted by CONCORD as they are in most Civilized parts of the galaxy (more than once I have been called upon to foil their plans in the Federation, being that assasination or piracy raids) and their ties to the State are more than known so I dealt them the justice they deserved.
No more than the Intaki Syndicate or Roden Shipyards. I have been called upon to foil Roden's plans in the State more than once.
And noted; the Federation considers the private military corporation Mordu's Legion to be pirates. So, when the State and its corporations label a Federation-friendly PMC pirates you will be alright with that?
Or are you going to argue that the State is illegal? In which case, I would like to see why the Republic is legal based upon the same reasoning.
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Hussain
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.12.16 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
No more than the Intaki Syndicate or Roden Shipyards. I have been called upon to foil Roden's plans in the State more than once.
And noted; the Federation considers the private military corporation Mordu's Legion to be pirates.
If Roden or any other corp is flaged by CONCORD as Wanted them I do think they are Pirates and should be treated accordingly.
Dont you ?
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Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.12.16 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hussain If Roden or any other corp is flaged by CONCORD as Wanted them I do think they are Pirates and should be treated accordingly. Dont you ?
According to my tactical display neither the Ishukone or Mordu's Legion ships have been so flagged. Both appear white in my display. In accordance with the ILF's long-standing NRDS shoot policy, until such time as that changes, ILF pilots will not engage.
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Jyotmimana Karana
Intaki Pure
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Posted - 2009.12.16 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Saxon Hawke In accordance with the ILF's long-standing NRDS shoot policy, until such time as that changes, ILF pilots will not engage.
A typical Saxon Hawke answer if ever there was one.
Tell us, oh great Suresha, how much did Ishukone pay for your friendship? How many "donations" to your relief effort did it take for you to turn traitor to your people?
If he were around today, what would Phantomas think of the man to whom he left the banner of Intaki freedom?
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.12.16 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hussain If Roden or any other corp is flaged by CONCORD as Wanted them I do think they are Pirates and should be treated accordingly.
Dont you ?
Did this strike anyone else as hilarious?
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John Revenent
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2009.12.17 05:49:00 -
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Edited by: John Revenent on 17/12/2009 05:50:43 The FDU still persist that Ishukone is the enemy of the Federation, with the actions of the Moira. Corporation that resulted in the deliberate destruction of 2 Ishukone Haulers, a Mordu Escort, and a Ishukone-Raata Harpy class Assault Frigate.
With these blatant attacks against Ishukone and Ishukone-Raata, we are forced to take action against the involved parties to stop the murdering of innocents.
As of YC111.12.16 Ishukone-Raata and its partners will be actively intercepting the operations of Moira. within the Intaki system and any FDU pilots who feel the urge to assist them in their acts of piracy and terrorism against Ishukone and the State.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.17 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jyotmimana Karana A typical Saxon Hawke answer if ever there was one.
Diplomatic, neutral, yes it seems quite typical of him.
Quote: Tell us, oh great Suresha, how much did Ishukone pay for your friendship? How many "donations" to your relief effort did it take for you to turn traitor to your people?
How many 'medical' drugs did you imbibe to get to the point where you honestly believe that anyone who is not your enemy's enemy is also your enemy?
Intaki Pure are one of the more disappointing bands of fanatics out there. The differences between you and the ILF consist largely of your racist hiring policies, your 'accuse first' debating methods, and the noted lack of relief you provide to the Intaki people despite claiming to fight for them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Jianni Sotaku
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.17 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jianni Sotaku
This could all change very fast if we don't stop destroying their ships for the sake of it. We could soon see these ships as hostile, stopping any progress in the Intaki System
... I hate to say I told you so.
Be smart pilots of the union. The more enemies you attract, the harder it will be to achieve the goal of low security liberation within the Warzone.
Deal with the Ishukone and Mordu forces if they are hostile to you. Otherwise, what's the point.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.17 07:03:00 -
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Edited by: Julianus Soter on 17/12/2009 07:04:00
Originally by: John Revenent Edited by: John Revenent on 17/12/2009 05:50:43 The FDU still persist that Ishukone is the enemy of the Federation, with the actions of the Moira. Corporation that resulted in the deliberate destruction of 2 Ishukone Haulers, a Mordu Escort, and a Ishukone-Raata Harpy class Assault Frigate.
Ah, yes. You and your Harpy-class Assault Frigate had arrived at a Caldari Navy installation in the Intaki system. We tagged you as hostile on our IFF, chased you down and destroyed your ship.
I suggested at the time that it had not been wise for I-RED -combat vessels- to enter the vicinity of a Caldari Navy -combat- facility. The destruction of your ship was a demonstration of that lesson. And it seems that you have much yet to learn.
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Hussain
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.12.17 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Saxon Hawke
According to my tactical display neither the Ishukone or Mordu's Legion ships have been so flagged. Both appear white in my display. In accordance with the ILF's long-standing NRDS shoot policy, until such time as that changes, ILF pilots will not engage.
I truly advice a good glass cleaner and a good piece of cloth to remove the smudge you your screens.
Look carefully examine the Mordus troughly Mr. Hawk.
I dont speak for FDU but yes Ishukone is a part of the government that declared war on the Fedration. Doesnt that make them our enemies ?
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Draco C
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Posted - 2009.12.17 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hussain
Originally by: Saxon Hawke
I dont speak for FDU but yes Ishukone is a part of the government that declared war on the Fedration. Doesnt that make them our enemies ?
I do not believe this is correct, M. Hussain - the Federation Navy and FDU is at war against the State Protectorate and the Caldari Navy. If Ishukone assets were a viable target, then their stations in Ingenhes would be forefit. Last I checked, it was buisness as usual in there.
I have no conflict with the Ishukone corporation or I-RED, and will do my best to leave them alone and disengage. But if I am backed into a corner, I may not have many other options.
It is a simple request - Ishukone and I-RED, I will leave you, your assets and your operations alone, but in return, you must stay out of millitary complexes in the region. I cannot guarantee your safety should you fail to do this.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.17 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hussain I dont speak for FDU but yes Ishukone is a part of the government that declared war on the Fedration. Doesnt that make them our enemies ?
Quafe has full corporate status in the State; it is for all intents a member of the State and the government that declared war on the Federation in your opinion. CreoDron is 35% owned by CBD, a Caldari megacorporation. Are Quafe and CreoDron your enemy?
Five of the eight Caldari megacorporations have stations in the Federation, Sinq Laison high security space, are you assaulting the convoys leaving these stations as well?
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.17 15:47:00 -
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Ishukone Corporation and all of its subsidiaries are full participants in the Caldari Executive Board, which is in turn in command of all Caldari Navy combat assets. The Providence directorate and State Protectorate answer to Tibush Heth and in turn to the Executive Board proper.
All Ishukone ships in the zone of conflict are in material aid to the Caldari Navy and their occupation of Federation Space. Federal pilots are fully authorized by our government to engage and destroy them.
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Scaeva
Minmatar Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.17 17:55:00 -
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If you wish for a cessation of hostilities between Moira. and Ishuk-Raata, we require a deposit of one billion isk, paid to the account of either Mr. Soter or myself. This money will of course be used to compensate the victims of your continued support of the Caldari tyrants currently crushing the population of Intaki beneath their goosestepping, fascist bootheels.
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Akira Revan
Caldari Ishukone-Raata Sertelensah Kenzertis
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Posted - 2009.12.17 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Akira Revan on 17/12/2009 20:22:27 So Moira is truly no more then a pirate corporation, now trying to ransom Ishukone-Raata for a petty sum of isk.
I can assure you that statement and your actions will only strengthen Ishukone-Raata resolve, Moira has made a grave mistake that could eventually effect all FDU operations. I-RSK has taken note of the situation and will assist the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive in their interdiction operations.
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Jonny Damordred
Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.18 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Akira Revan I can assure you that statement and your actions will only strengthen Ishukone-Raata resolve, Moira has made a grave mistake that could eventually effect all FDU operations. I-RSK has taken note of the situation and will assist the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive in their interdiction operations.
Nice posturing.
You know, back in the day people used to follow up statements like this with wardecs. I find it interesting that the collective spine of my enemies seems to shrink the older I get.
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