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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:46:00 -
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Quote: Personally, I just bought a 2nd account so I could have a hauler parked next to my jetcan at all times. Sorta makes me think it's all working as intended, if ya know what I mean Wink
I have 3 accounts...
Lemme say, having one of them sit in an indy by a jet can waiting for it to fill up, instead of having him in a cruiser mining, sucks! All because of some little punk azz in local thinks he's cool because he can go around exploiting & stealing ore with no risk to himself due to a game mechanic flaw...
I have a limited time to play and mine low ends for BS's & such... Having to adjust the way I play the game because of ore theives is assinine!
Just give me a better option than the jet can vs giant secure, and I'll use it...
It's not that difficult CCP, c'mon, use your brains there DEV's... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:46:00 -
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Quote: Personally, I just bought a 2nd account so I could have a hauler parked next to my jetcan at all times. Sorta makes me think it's all working as intended, if ya know what I mean Wink
I have 3 accounts...
Lemme say, having one of them sit in an indy by a jet can waiting for it to fill up, instead of having him in a cruiser mining, sucks! All because of some little punk azz in local thinks he's cool because he can go around exploiting & stealing ore with no risk to himself due to a game mechanic flaw...
I have a limited time to play and mine low ends for BS's & such... Having to adjust the way I play the game because of ore theives is assinine!
Just give me a better option than the jet can vs giant secure, and I'll use it...
It's not that difficult CCP, c'mon, use your brains there DEV's... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:48:00 -
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Why don't people just come in 0.0-0.4 where they are able to kill ore thieves ? I really don't understand
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:48:00 -
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Why don't people just come in 0.0-0.4 where they are able to kill ore thieves ? I really don't understand
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 14/11/2004 20:55:16 Edited by: Bhaal on 14/11/2004 20:54:36
Quote: Why don't people just come in 0.0-0.4 where they are able to kill ore thieves ? Very Happy I really don't understand Very Happy
Why should I come to 0.0 - 0.4 to mine for trit, and allow asshats like you to harass me over trit?
Why would you ask such a stupid question?
Some ores are worth the risk of getting harrassed by "pirates" The ores found in 1.0 to 0.5 are not worth that risk...
If there was a way to fight back against ore theives in 1.0 to 0.5, this would not be a problem at all... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 14/11/2004 20:55:16 Edited by: Bhaal on 14/11/2004 20:54:36
Quote: Why don't people just come in 0.0-0.4 where they are able to kill ore thieves ? Very Happy I really don't understand Very Happy
Why should I come to 0.0 - 0.4 to mine for trit, and allow asshats like you to harass me over trit?
Why would you ask such a stupid question?
Some ores are worth the risk of getting harrassed by "pirates" The ores found in 1.0 to 0.5 are not worth that risk...
If there was a way to fight back against ore theives in 1.0 to 0.5, this would not be a problem at all... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Lady Varith
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:52:00 -
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Lol, its going to be a new era for ore theives, a geddon fitted with expanders on every slot, stealing and watching with glee as miners guns rattle uslessly off there armour, while he has mega pulses trained on him
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Lady Varith
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:52:00 -
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Lol, its going to be a new era for ore theives, a geddon fitted with expanders on every slot, stealing and watching with glee as miners guns rattle uslessly off there armour, while he has mega pulses trained on him
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Balsak
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 14/11/2004 20:59:21 PLEASE JUST SHUT UP. The ore thieving thing has been whined about plenty before. Grow up and stop being such losers. Mine into secures or get a friend to haul. Its been said by the devs before that jettisoned cans are considered garbage. If you jettisoned something then that means you don't want it. Therefore its free game for whoever picks it up.
It doesnt matter that secures don't hold enough to make "YOU" happy. How much would you like the secures to hold ? Too much and you imbalance industrials and their hauling capacity. You wanna blow up ore thieves then go to lower sec space and have someone protect you from bad people. Theres much better money in lower sec space anyways.
Bhaal: The only exploit in stealing ore is exploiting your stupidity. Its not an exploit of game mechanics. Get this fact straight now. It may or may not be changed in the future but for now its just your opinion and not one based off fact that its an "oversight" on ccps part.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 14/11/2004 20:59:21 PLEASE JUST SHUT UP. The ore thieving thing has been whined about plenty before. Grow up and stop being such losers. Mine into secures or get a friend to haul. Its been said by the devs before that jettisoned cans are considered garbage. If you jettisoned something then that means you don't want it. Therefore its free game for whoever picks it up.
It doesnt matter that secures don't hold enough to make "YOU" happy. How much would you like the secures to hold ? Too much and you imbalance industrials and their hauling capacity. You wanna blow up ore thieves then go to lower sec space and have someone protect you from bad people. Theres much better money in lower sec space anyways.
Bhaal: The only exploit in stealing ore is exploiting your stupidity. Its not an exploit of game mechanics. Get this fact straight now. It may or may not be changed in the future but for now its just your opinion and not one based off fact that its an "oversight" on ccps part.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:55:00 -
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Quote: Lol, its going to be a new era for ore theives, a geddon fitted with expanders on every slot, stealing and watching with glee as miners guns rattle uslessly off there armour, while he has mega pulses trained on him
I would think that if someone has a Geddon, stealing ore in 1.0 to 0.5 would not be worth his time?
Maybe not, there are a lot of mentally challenged ppl in this community who do stupid things for fun...
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:55:00 -
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Quote: Lol, its going to be a new era for ore theives, a geddon fitted with expanders on every slot, stealing and watching with glee as miners guns rattle uslessly off there armour, while he has mega pulses trained on him
I would think that if someone has a Geddon, stealing ore in 1.0 to 0.5 would not be worth his time?
Maybe not, there are a lot of mentally challenged ppl in this community who do stupid things for fun...
------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Nafri
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Quote: Lol, its going to be a new era for ore theives, a geddon fitted with expanders on every slot, stealing and watching with glee as miners guns rattle uslessly off there armour, while he has mega pulses trained on him
I would think that if someone has a Geddon, stealing ore in 1.0 to 0.5 would not be worth his time?
Maybe not, there are a lot of mentally challenged ppl in this community who do stupid things for fun...
alone to see the kids crying is worth the labor Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Quote: Lol, its going to be a new era for ore theives, a geddon fitted with expanders on every slot, stealing and watching with glee as miners guns rattle uslessly off there armour, while he has mega pulses trained on him
I would think that if someone has a Geddon, stealing ore in 1.0 to 0.5 would not be worth his time?
Maybe not, there are a lot of mentally challenged ppl in this community who do stupid things for fun...
alone to see the kids crying is worth the labor Wanna fly with me?
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 14/11/2004 21:05:43
Quote: The ore thieving thing has been whined about plenty before. Grow up and stop being such losers. Mine into secures or get a friend to haul.
You obviously have not been listening to the debate...
Mining into giant secures, or having a freind haul are not the answers, I've tried both...
Having an Indy sit there in fear of having an ore thief come along is a waste of time, a waste of isk... That player needs to be hauling 100% of the time, or it's a waste...
I don't see why I can't buy a deployable secure container that will hold as much, or more than the jet can if I am willing to pay for it...
I think that would be less of a crime than allowing this ore theif BS to fester as CCP has allowed it do to so... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 14/11/2004 21:05:43
Quote: The ore thieving thing has been whined about plenty before. Grow up and stop being such losers. Mine into secures or get a friend to haul.
You obviously have not been listening to the debate...
Mining into giant secures, or having a freind haul are not the answers, I've tried both...
Having an Indy sit there in fear of having an ore thief come along is a waste of time, a waste of isk... That player needs to be hauling 100% of the time, or it's a waste...
I don't see why I can't buy a deployable secure container that will hold as much, or more than the jet can if I am willing to pay for it...
I think that would be less of a crime than allowing this ore theif BS to fester as CCP has allowed it do to so... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 14/11/2004 21:04:59
Quote: alone to see the kids crying is worth the labor
I guess some ppl have more time to waste on playing EVE than others...
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 14/11/2004 21:04:59
Quote: alone to see the kids crying is worth the labor
I guess some ppl have more time to waste on playing EVE than others...
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Urkl
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Posted - 2004.11.14 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Why don't people just come in 0.0-0.4 where they are able to kill ore thieves ? I really don't understand
Because the risk v. reward curve isn't balanced. I can sit in .5 and mine kernite practically risk-free for appx 4.2M isk an hour, or I can move to .4, spend 32M insuring my BS, swap out a couple of low slots for WCS's, and hopefully make an extra 10% profit per hour, provided I don't lose any time running/hiding from pirates. It's a foolish business decision to move out of .5 if you're a solo miner. Doing the math, hiring "protection" for lower sec doesn't usually work out, either.
The reason so many miners stay in empire has little to do with cowardice IMO, it's because the mineral distribution doesn't make sense. Certainly I'm not asking for great ores to be found in empire, but when .4 offers nothing that can't be found in .5+, why bother?
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Urkl
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Posted - 2004.11.14 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Why don't people just come in 0.0-0.4 where they are able to kill ore thieves ? I really don't understand
Because the risk v. reward curve isn't balanced. I can sit in .5 and mine kernite practically risk-free for appx 4.2M isk an hour, or I can move to .4, spend 32M insuring my BS, swap out a couple of low slots for WCS's, and hopefully make an extra 10% profit per hour, provided I don't lose any time running/hiding from pirates. It's a foolish business decision to move out of .5 if you're a solo miner. Doing the math, hiring "protection" for lower sec doesn't usually work out, either.
The reason so many miners stay in empire has little to do with cowardice IMO, it's because the mineral distribution doesn't make sense. Certainly I'm not asking for great ores to be found in empire, but when .4 offers nothing that can't be found in .5+, why bother?
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Balsak
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Posted - 2004.11.14 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 14/11/2004 21:27:31 The reason you cant have a secure container that holds as much as a jettison can is because then people would deploy them and entirely strip mine an entire belt on their own to come back in their indy later to collect. This means unlimited easy money for you. Kinda unbalanced and not much fun dont you think ? People would mine out the belts so bad that the real newbs of the game wouldnt stand a chance.
I have been paying attention the debate Bhaal and 2 people can mine quite effectively. Ive hauled for a friend of mine and we do it quite successfully. Theres never a dead period where either of us is waiting for the other to catch up. There are ways of discouraging ore thieves if you bothered to read the forums for what others have said or used your own brain to figure it out.
Either way all you want is easy risk free money. Get rid of that mentality and you should be ok.
Urkl: .4 may not offer much more than .5 and up but .2 and .3 certainly do have ores that are worth mining if you got a couple of friends.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2004.11.14 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 14/11/2004 21:27:31 The reason you cant have a secure container that holds as much as a jettison can is because then people would deploy them and entirely strip mine an entire belt on their own to come back in their indy later to collect. This means unlimited easy money for you. Kinda unbalanced and not much fun dont you think ? People would mine out the belts so bad that the real newbs of the game wouldnt stand a chance.
I have been paying attention the debate Bhaal and 2 people can mine quite effectively. Ive hauled for a friend of mine and we do it quite successfully. Theres never a dead period where either of us is waiting for the other to catch up. There are ways of discouraging ore thieves if you bothered to read the forums for what others have said or used your own brain to figure it out.
Either way all you want is easy risk free money. Get rid of that mentality and you should be ok.
Urkl: .4 may not offer much more than .5 and up but .2 and .3 certainly do have ores that are worth mining if you got a couple of friends.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.11.14 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
In the end, you will be the one crying...
Stealing ore is not an intended career path in EVE, it never was meant to be one...
It's an oversight by the DEV's...
They will come to their senses some day...
I'm feeling some hostillity, are you a low-life scum-sucking ore thief by chance?
I should also point out that JET CAN MINING WAS NEVER INTENDED BY THE DEVS ALSO!
Besides, typical carebear mentality thinks that by having the option to blast ore "thieves" will solve everything. Yeah right.
You do realize that if you start shooting them, they can shoot back? Oh sure you may blow up that POS, fully insured Indy with basic modules, but then the ore liberator can come back out in his warship of choice and blast away your ship fitted with mining gear.
I can also see people in fully fitted combat battleships fly right up to a jet can miner, take a little of his ore, be flagged to him and daring him in local to shoot him.
Or how about one player comes up to you, drops a can near yours, then has a disposable alt come and move the ore from your can into the other guys can, the alt is flagged, the other guy isn't and the other guy can then take the ore guilt free or blast the can!
How about the ore liberator gets right up next to your can, aligns for a safe spot, takes the ore and warps away before you can even attack?
Not to mention that the reason why most miners stay in secure space is because they can't PVP for ****. What makes you think that all of a sudden they will be awesome at it? -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
MooKids
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Posted - 2004.11.14 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
In the end, you will be the one crying...
Stealing ore is not an intended career path in EVE, it never was meant to be one...
It's an oversight by the DEV's...
They will come to their senses some day...
I'm feeling some hostillity, are you a low-life scum-sucking ore thief by chance?
I should also point out that JET CAN MINING WAS NEVER INTENDED BY THE DEVS ALSO!
Besides, typical carebear mentality thinks that by having the option to blast ore "thieves" will solve everything. Yeah right.
You do realize that if you start shooting them, they can shoot back? Oh sure you may blow up that POS, fully insured Indy with basic modules, but then the ore liberator can come back out in his warship of choice and blast away your ship fitted with mining gear.
I can also see people in fully fitted combat battleships fly right up to a jet can miner, take a little of his ore, be flagged to him and daring him in local to shoot him.
Or how about one player comes up to you, drops a can near yours, then has a disposable alt come and move the ore from your can into the other guys can, the alt is flagged, the other guy isn't and the other guy can then take the ore guilt free or blast the can!
How about the ore liberator gets right up next to your can, aligns for a safe spot, takes the ore and warps away before you can even attack?
Not to mention that the reason why most miners stay in secure space is because they can't PVP for ****. What makes you think that all of a sudden they will be awesome at it? -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Brunis
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Posted - 2004.11.14 21:58:00 -
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Btw i see that a lot of people want a way to blow up the ore stealer.. But last i saw mining lasers couldent blow up anything but roids, you want mining lasers to do 1k damage after this change also?
/Brunis Another dog lifting its leg |
Brunis
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Posted - 2004.11.14 21:58:00 -
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Btw i see that a lot of people want a way to blow up the ore stealer.. But last i saw mining lasers couldent blow up anything but roids, you want mining lasers to do 1k damage after this change also?
/Brunis Another dog lifting its leg |
Urkl
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Posted - 2004.11.14 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Brunis Btw i see that a lot of people want a way to blow up the ore stealer.. But last i saw mining lasers couldent blow up anything but roids, you want mining lasers to do 1k damage after this change also?
I can put a mining laser on my mega's launcher hardpoint?
Why wasn't I informed of this????
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Urkl
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Posted - 2004.11.14 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Brunis Btw i see that a lot of people want a way to blow up the ore stealer.. But last i saw mining lasers couldent blow up anything but roids, you want mining lasers to do 1k damage after this change also?
I can put a mining laser on my mega's launcher hardpoint?
Why wasn't I informed of this????
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 14/11/2004 22:14:11
Quote: Either way all you want is easy risk free money. Get rid of that mentality and you should be ok.
1.0 to 0.5 space is SAFE SPACE.
That is why it has nothing but low end sh!tty ore...
Spare me the risk free money making crap, that is a load of BS and you know it...
Ore theives do not keep the game balanced, they are an annoyance that needs to be erradicated... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 14/11/2004 22:14:11
Quote: Either way all you want is easy risk free money. Get rid of that mentality and you should be ok.
1.0 to 0.5 space is SAFE SPACE.
That is why it has nothing but low end sh!tty ore...
Spare me the risk free money making crap, that is a load of BS and you know it...
Ore theives do not keep the game balanced, they are an annoyance that needs to be erradicated... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
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