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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2004.11.14 22:56:00 -
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I vote against ore thievery being shut down. Besides, it's being done in part in Shiva, what with the new criminal flag system.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2004.11.14 22:56:00 -
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I vote against ore thievery being shut down. Besides, it's being done in part in Shiva, what with the new criminal flag system.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: MooKids on 14/11/2004 23:07:05 Restarted this reply.
Then we should eliminate the initial dev blunder and do it the way CCP initially intended to have mining.
Stop jet can mining, remove all secure cargo containers, destroy currently anchored cargo containers and make everyone mine in industrials or in other ships, hopping back and forth between the station and belts.
Afterall, secure cans were added as a compromise to still allow jet can mining, yet give the players an alternative. What you are asking is that they fix a byproduct of a blunder, but not the blunder itself. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
MooKids
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: MooKids on 14/11/2004 23:07:05 Restarted this reply.
Then we should eliminate the initial dev blunder and do it the way CCP initially intended to have mining.
Stop jet can mining, remove all secure cargo containers, destroy currently anchored cargo containers and make everyone mine in industrials or in other ships, hopping back and forth between the station and belts.
Afterall, secure cans were added as a compromise to still allow jet can mining, yet give the players an alternative. What you are asking is that they fix a byproduct of a blunder, but not the blunder itself. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:06:00 -
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Quote: Fine, lets eliminate the initial dev blunder. Prevent jet can mining and add no more secure cans.
Now you are just being silly...
You think anyone who harvests natural resources anywhere in this world for a living do not provide the proper means to store & transport this material in an efficient manner? (If they have the capital to aquire the proper technology)
You think coal mining companies want thier exscavating machines sitting idle because they are waiting for a cart to come pick up the ore? Get real!
Unlikely, those things run 24/7 and they provide the proper conveying systems etc to make sure the operation runs smoothly, and most importantly, un-interupted...
You guys are just being ignorant... You don't want CCP to introduce proper secure containers for miners, because it will take away your "free fun" which is ****ing off miners in safe space.
Your arguments are so transparent, so silly, and so selfish... Right in line with the griefer mentallity...
You guys will never change...
And b4 you go labeling me a carebear, I do PvP (as advised by many on these boards for me to try...), and I do like it... so STFU!
The game has flaws, they need to be fixed... That is why we have this somewhat free forum (ISD) to discuss such things... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:06:00 -
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Quote: Fine, lets eliminate the initial dev blunder. Prevent jet can mining and add no more secure cans.
Now you are just being silly...
You think anyone who harvests natural resources anywhere in this world for a living do not provide the proper means to store & transport this material in an efficient manner? (If they have the capital to aquire the proper technology)
You think coal mining companies want thier exscavating machines sitting idle because they are waiting for a cart to come pick up the ore? Get real!
Unlikely, those things run 24/7 and they provide the proper conveying systems etc to make sure the operation runs smoothly, and most importantly, un-interupted...
You guys are just being ignorant... You don't want CCP to introduce proper secure containers for miners, because it will take away your "free fun" which is ****ing off miners in safe space.
Your arguments are so transparent, so silly, and so selfish... Right in line with the griefer mentallity...
You guys will never change...
And b4 you go labeling me a carebear, I do PvP (as advised by many on these boards for me to try...), and I do like it... so STFU!
The game has flaws, they need to be fixed... That is why we have this somewhat free forum (ISD) to discuss such things... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:16:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 14/11/2004 23:19:25
Yep. Plenty of things.
Complaining when someone picks up the ore you THREW AWAY not being one of them.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 14/11/2004 23:19:25
Yep. Plenty of things.
Complaining when someone picks up the ore you THREW AWAY not being one of them.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ryctor on 14/11/2004 23:19:55 Edited by: Ryctor on 14/11/2004 23:19:42 This is not the mother******* real world so stop with your ******* real world comparisons. This is a game. IN this game CCP is god. If they wanted to make it fact that 2+2= ******* goat then its fact. The fact is that ore theft is LEGAL and wont ever EVER be changed.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ryctor on 14/11/2004 23:19:55 Edited by: Ryctor on 14/11/2004 23:19:42 This is not the mother******* real world so stop with your ******* real world comparisons. This is a game. IN this game CCP is god. If they wanted to make it fact that 2+2= ******* goat then its fact. The fact is that ore theft is LEGAL and wont ever EVER be changed.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:21:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Bhaal
Quote: Fine, lets eliminate the initial dev blunder. Prevent jet can mining and add no more secure cans.
Now you are just being silly...
You think anyone who harvests natural resources anywhere in this world for a living do not provide the proper means to store & transport this material in an efficient manner? (If they have the capital to aquire the proper technology)
You think coal mining companies want thier exscavating machines sitting idle because they are waiting for a cart to come pick up the ore? Get real!
Unlikely, those things run 24/7 and they provide the proper conveying systems etc to make sure the operation runs smoothly, and most importantly, un-interupted...
You guys are just being ignorant... You don't want CCP to introduce proper secure containers for miners, because it will take away your "free fun" which is ****ing off miners in safe space.
Your arguments are so transparent, so silly, and so selfish... Right in line with the griefer mentallity...
You guys will never change...
And b4 you go labeling me a carebear, I do PvP (as advised by many on these boards for me to try...), and I do like it... so STFU!
The game has flaws, they need to be fixed... That is why we have this somewhat free forum (ISD) to discuss such things...
We do have the means, they are called the Industrials.
CONTAINERS WERE NEVER INTENDED FOR MINING!
People discovered that you could jet can mine, which is actually considered an exploit. Nobody was being hurt, so they let it slide, although it was unsupported.
What you are asking is that people who are harassing the exploiters (and they are exploiters) be punished and restricted, while the exploiters themselves are rewarded.
And all you are doing is being in denial. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
MooKids
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Quote: Fine, lets eliminate the initial dev blunder. Prevent jet can mining and add no more secure cans.
Now you are just being silly...
You think anyone who harvests natural resources anywhere in this world for a living do not provide the proper means to store & transport this material in an efficient manner? (If they have the capital to aquire the proper technology)
You think coal mining companies want thier exscavating machines sitting idle because they are waiting for a cart to come pick up the ore? Get real!
Unlikely, those things run 24/7 and they provide the proper conveying systems etc to make sure the operation runs smoothly, and most importantly, un-interupted...
You guys are just being ignorant... You don't want CCP to introduce proper secure containers for miners, because it will take away your "free fun" which is ****ing off miners in safe space.
Your arguments are so transparent, so silly, and so selfish... Right in line with the griefer mentallity...
You guys will never change...
And b4 you go labeling me a carebear, I do PvP (as advised by many on these boards for me to try...), and I do like it... so STFU!
The game has flaws, they need to be fixed... That is why we have this somewhat free forum (ISD) to discuss such things...
We do have the means, they are called the Industrials.
CONTAINERS WERE NEVER INTENDED FOR MINING!
People discovered that you could jet can mine, which is actually considered an exploit. Nobody was being hurt, so they let it slide, although it was unsupported.
What you are asking is that people who are harassing the exploiters (and they are exploiters) be punished and restricted, while the exploiters themselves are rewarded.
And all you are doing is being in denial. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:25:00 -
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saying jet can mining wasn't intended is not any sort of justification for ore theft. that's just silly.
that's like saying that escrow scams are justified because selling things using the courier mission facility wasn't originally intended. what sense does that make? (yes, that's right. the Escrow facility wasn't always there. we used to use the Courier Mission facility to sell things like we do now with Escrow. the Devs adapted to players using the game feature in an unexpected manner.)
ore thieving is part of the game as it exists today.
jet can mining is a part of the game as it exists today.
and that is that.
and to the miners (of which i am one):
if you want to avoid ore-theft, then LEARN to avoid the ore-thieves.
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:25:00 -
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saying jet can mining wasn't intended is not any sort of justification for ore theft. that's just silly.
that's like saying that escrow scams are justified because selling things using the courier mission facility wasn't originally intended. what sense does that make? (yes, that's right. the Escrow facility wasn't always there. we used to use the Courier Mission facility to sell things like we do now with Escrow. the Devs adapted to players using the game feature in an unexpected manner.)
ore thieving is part of the game as it exists today.
jet can mining is a part of the game as it exists today.
and that is that.
and to the miners (of which i am one):
if you want to avoid ore-theft, then LEARN to avoid the ore-thieves.
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Etoile Chercheur saying jet can mining wasn't intended is not any sort of justification for ore theft. that's just silly.
The only reason I brought it up was because Bhaal said ore "theft" was not intended by the devs. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
MooKids
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Etoile Chercheur saying jet can mining wasn't intended is not any sort of justification for ore theft. that's just silly.
The only reason I brought it up was because Bhaal said ore "theft" was not intended by the devs. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Balsak
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:28:00 -
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Bhaal do you see in the real world a guy pull up to his mine with his heavy powered shovel and dig up all his ore into a pile and then drive off to get his dump truck to move to the refinery ? No he has a team of people. One digs and one hauls. Works in the real world. Also works in Eve. You want to mine solo get secures. You want to mine into jettison containers get a friend to help you. If this is no good for you then please go find another game to play.
If you think im against what you want here because I want to steal yours or anyone elses ore then you are sadly mistaken. If I want minerals I help a friend mine or help the corp out.
And yes you do want your easy risk free money. It may be in .5 and up space you mine but it is a constant flow of cash with your alt and yes it is risk free except for the occasional ore thief.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:28:00 -
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Bhaal do you see in the real world a guy pull up to his mine with his heavy powered shovel and dig up all his ore into a pile and then drive off to get his dump truck to move to the refinery ? No he has a team of people. One digs and one hauls. Works in the real world. Also works in Eve. You want to mine solo get secures. You want to mine into jettison containers get a friend to help you. If this is no good for you then please go find another game to play.
If you think im against what you want here because I want to steal yours or anyone elses ore then you are sadly mistaken. If I want minerals I help a friend mine or help the corp out.
And yes you do want your easy risk free money. It may be in .5 and up space you mine but it is a constant flow of cash with your alt and yes it is risk free except for the occasional ore thief.
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Urkl
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Brunis
Originally by: Urkl
Originally by: Brunis Btw i see that a lot of people want a way to blow up the ore stealer.. But last i saw mining lasers couldent blow up anything but roids, you want mining lasers to do 1k damage after this change also?
I can put a mining laser on my mega's launcher hardpoint?
Why wasn't I informed of this????
Yibee a single launcher realy helps againts another ships than will probely tank all he can since he don't have to use any CPU for mining lasers and knows he is gonna be shot at.
Ore thieves will surely be a thing of the past!
If you want to shoot orethieves then go to low sec otherwise live with getting a little ore stolen.
The very first sentance in my very first post in this thread stated that I don't have a problem with ore thieves. I was ridiculing your comment implying that miners don't have any offensive capability. As for your latest post, you're telling me a cruise missile or two isn't gonna take out an indy? Cuz uhh, I don't see many ore thieves flying anything other than indys....
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Urkl
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Brunis
Originally by: Urkl
Originally by: Brunis Btw i see that a lot of people want a way to blow up the ore stealer.. But last i saw mining lasers couldent blow up anything but roids, you want mining lasers to do 1k damage after this change also?
I can put a mining laser on my mega's launcher hardpoint?
Why wasn't I informed of this????
Yibee a single launcher realy helps againts another ships than will probely tank all he can since he don't have to use any CPU for mining lasers and knows he is gonna be shot at.
Ore thieves will surely be a thing of the past!
If you want to shoot orethieves then go to low sec otherwise live with getting a little ore stolen.
The very first sentance in my very first post in this thread stated that I don't have a problem with ore thieves. I was ridiculing your comment implying that miners don't have any offensive capability. As for your latest post, you're telling me a cruise missile or two isn't gonna take out an indy? Cuz uhh, I don't see many ore thieves flying anything other than indys....
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:31:00 -
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Quote: This is not the mother******* real world so stop with your ******* real world comparisons. This is a game. IN this game CCP is god. If they wanted to make it fact that 2+2= ******* goat then its fact. The fact is that ore theft is LEGAL and wont ever EVER be changed.
It seems they are already taking steps to correct the problem with Exodus...
If there was no problem, CCP would not be looking into criminally flagging those induviduals who take contents from cans that DO NOT BELONG TO THEM!
So, its seems you are wrong, you little ore stealing slimeball... Does it not?
Moo, you obvioulsy have no clue what it means to seriously mine in an efficient manner, otherwise you might be able to get it through your thick little skull why everyone who mines for large amounts of low end ores uses the jet cans. Inadequacy of the other options soon becomes apparent, you are just too ignorant to those facts, and you are blinded by your need to grief others for fun...
Whatever dude...
I know CCP will fix this sooner or later.
If I have to keep brining up the issue until the day the servers go offline, I WILL DO SO! ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:31:00 -
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Quote: This is not the mother******* real world so stop with your ******* real world comparisons. This is a game. IN this game CCP is god. If they wanted to make it fact that 2+2= ******* goat then its fact. The fact is that ore theft is LEGAL and wont ever EVER be changed.
It seems they are already taking steps to correct the problem with Exodus...
If there was no problem, CCP would not be looking into criminally flagging those induviduals who take contents from cans that DO NOT BELONG TO THEM!
So, its seems you are wrong, you little ore stealing slimeball... Does it not?
Moo, you obvioulsy have no clue what it means to seriously mine in an efficient manner, otherwise you might be able to get it through your thick little skull why everyone who mines for large amounts of low end ores uses the jet cans. Inadequacy of the other options soon becomes apparent, you are just too ignorant to those facts, and you are blinded by your need to grief others for fun...
Whatever dude...
I know CCP will fix this sooner or later.
If I have to keep brining up the issue until the day the servers go offline, I WILL DO SO! ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:34:00 -
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Please PLEASE point out to me where is says JETTED cans will get flags. YOu can't because it doesnt. Did it ever occure to you that maybe they will be flagging Loot cans.....or maybe standards? Until you have HARD evidence (which you will never have) that JET cans will give you a flag I suggest you stop making yourself look like an ASS.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:34:00 -
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Please PLEASE point out to me where is says JETTED cans will get flags. YOu can't because it doesnt. Did it ever occure to you that maybe they will be flagging Loot cans.....or maybe standards? Until you have HARD evidence (which you will never have) that JET cans will give you a flag I suggest you stop making yourself look like an ASS.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Moo, you obvioulsy have no clue what it means to seriously mine in an efficient manner, otherwise you might be able to get it through your thick little skull why everyone who mines for large amounts of low end ores uses the jet cans. Inadequacy of the other options soon becomes apparent, you are just too ignorant to those facts, and you are blinded by your need to grief others for fun...
Do you know what sarcasm and satire is? I know damn well how important jet can mining is and how it brings in so much. I was just addressing your carebearish comments that is asking for risk free mining by stopping a byproduct of an exploit. You are just cranky because things don't always go your way. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
MooKids
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Moo, you obvioulsy have no clue what it means to seriously mine in an efficient manner, otherwise you might be able to get it through your thick little skull why everyone who mines for large amounts of low end ores uses the jet cans. Inadequacy of the other options soon becomes apparent, you are just too ignorant to those facts, and you are blinded by your need to grief others for fun...
Do you know what sarcasm and satire is? I know damn well how important jet can mining is and how it brings in so much. I was just addressing your carebearish comments that is asking for risk free mining by stopping a byproduct of an exploit. You are just cranky because things don't always go your way. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:40:00 -
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Quote: Bhaal do you see in the real world a guy pull up to his mine with his heavy powered shovel and dig up all his ore into a pile and then drive off to get his dump truck to move to the refinery ? No he has a team of people. One digs and one hauls. Works in the real world. Also works in Eve. You want to mine solo get secures. You want to mine into jettison containers get a friend to help you. If this is no good for you then please go find another game to play.
If you think im against what you want here because I want to steal yours or anyone elses ore then you are sadly mistaken. If I want minerals I help a friend mine or help the corp out.
And yes you do want your easy risk free money. It may be in .5 and up space you mine but it is a constant flow of cash with your alt and yes it is risk free except for the occasional ore thief.
I mine with 3 accounts...
I know what I'm talking about...
If I want serious cash, I mine with corp mates in 0.0 space... 1.0-0.5 is not the cash cow most of you want to believe. We don't need ore theives to balance it out...
It's not like they are keeping the EVE mineral distribution in check, don't be foolish...
Mining is already one of the most mundane timesinks, and CCP needs to realize ore thievs do not spice things up, or make it more fun. They are a waste of an EVE account... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:40:00 -
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Quote: Bhaal do you see in the real world a guy pull up to his mine with his heavy powered shovel and dig up all his ore into a pile and then drive off to get his dump truck to move to the refinery ? No he has a team of people. One digs and one hauls. Works in the real world. Also works in Eve. You want to mine solo get secures. You want to mine into jettison containers get a friend to help you. If this is no good for you then please go find another game to play.
If you think im against what you want here because I want to steal yours or anyone elses ore then you are sadly mistaken. If I want minerals I help a friend mine or help the corp out.
And yes you do want your easy risk free money. It may be in .5 and up space you mine but it is a constant flow of cash with your alt and yes it is risk free except for the occasional ore thief.
I mine with 3 accounts...
I know what I'm talking about...
If I want serious cash, I mine with corp mates in 0.0 space... 1.0-0.5 is not the cash cow most of you want to believe. We don't need ore theives to balance it out...
It's not like they are keeping the EVE mineral distribution in check, don't be foolish...
Mining is already one of the most mundane timesinks, and CCP needs to realize ore thievs do not spice things up, or make it more fun. They are a waste of an EVE account... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ryctor Please PLEASE point out to me where is says JETTED cans will get flags. YOu can't because it doesnt. Did it ever occure to you that maybe they will be flagging Loot cans.....or maybe standards? Until you have HARD evidence (which you will never have) that JET cans will give you a flag I suggest you stop making yourself look like an ASS.
from what i've read, and i've VERY carefully, ore-thieves will NOT become criminally flagged. instead, the ore they snatch will be tagged as contraband, and will have to have this tag cleared by an agent service to be able to refine it. also, customs agents will hassel them if they try and get through a gate with the stuff. but that is the limit of the consiquence of removing something from someone else's can. this tagging of the stolen items won't be done to items in secure cans because it should be locked anyway. stealing from loot cans wouldn't identify anyone specific as the owner. and making this only apply to standards would be silly as hell because who uses them in space anyway? :D
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ryctor Please PLEASE point out to me where is says JETTED cans will get flags. YOu can't because it doesnt. Did it ever occure to you that maybe they will be flagging Loot cans.....or maybe standards? Until you have HARD evidence (which you will never have) that JET cans will give you a flag I suggest you stop making yourself look like an ASS.
from what i've read, and i've VERY carefully, ore-thieves will NOT become criminally flagged. instead, the ore they snatch will be tagged as contraband, and will have to have this tag cleared by an agent service to be able to refine it. also, customs agents will hassel them if they try and get through a gate with the stuff. but that is the limit of the consiquence of removing something from someone else's can. this tagging of the stolen items won't be done to items in secure cans because it should be locked anyway. stealing from loot cans wouldn't identify anyone specific as the owner. and making this only apply to standards would be silly as hell because who uses them in space anyway? :D
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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