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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.12.18 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Raptos
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Alex Raptos
Originally by: Danton Marcellus Best sci-fi show ever.
Thats quite a bold claim.
Which would be better?
Firefly.
Yeehah!
Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'
Keep movin', movin', movin', Though they're disapprovin', Keep them doggies movin' Rawhide! Don't try to understand 'em, Just rope and throw and grab 'em, Soon we'll be living high and wide. Boy my heart's calculatin' My true love will be waitin', be waiting at the end of my ride.
Move 'em on, head 'em up, Head 'em up, move 'em out, Move 'em on, head 'em out Rawhide! Set 'em out, ride 'em in Ride 'em in, let 'em out, Cut 'em out, ride 'em in Rawhide.
Uhm, sorry, I sorta got into my chaps there when I heard Firefly.
Cowboys in space Buffy style, no sorry wrong answer, that series was as the kids say full of fail.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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mad cableguy
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Posted - 2009.12.18 03:18:00 -
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B5 was awesome, it was how you would imagine the future would be, all terrorism and corruption. We would prefer it to be like Star Trek all for the greater good etc. etc. but I can't see that happening. The cgi work was ahead of it's time when the show was launched, best episode was "Severed Dreams" I think the blew the budget on that one episode because things went pretty quiet after that for a while!
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Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.12.18 03:26:00 -
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BABYLON 5 ROCKS!
(OK, I'm done....)
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Zofe Stormcaller
Gallente Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.12.22 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: mad cableguy B5 was awesome, it was how you would imagine the future would be, all terrorism and corruption. We would prefer it to be like Star Trek all for the greater good etc. etc. but I can't see that happening. The cgi work was ahead of it's time when the show was launched, best episode was "Severed Dreams" I think the blew the budget on that one episode because things went pretty quiet after that for a while!
Just like the infamous line in the matrix, if you make something too utopian the universe doesn't work. Star trek has come to the point where all they are doing is trying to keep the franchise alive, so won't do anything with it too radical: hense rebooting the films in such a comic-book-like way. It would have been better if they had made Rodenberry's Andromeda represent the fall of the federation, as the continuation.
B5 versus Firefly? Tough call. Perhaps there needs to be no versus, just a league of great scifi. I'd probably stick Cowboy Bebop in there with it too.
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sukmanobov
Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.22 00:49:00 -
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Should i mention this? i have the whole series + extra's and films on HDD one the best things made after season 2 and shadow war kicks in. i also got some of B5 crusade but i found it hard to get --------------------------------
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2009.12.22 09:11:00 -
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B5 is THE best scifi show ever. Period. Some others where good, fun, hilarious or even excellent butnothing compares to B5 and it's story and character development.
Pro-tip for all you B5 addicts like myself who always wanted to know what it was like to be lost in hyperspace;
http://www.ifhgame.ru/
StarFury flightsim with actual newtonian physics. This makes it hard to master at first but with a joystick it's quite doable. Splintergroup (afai understood) from the original and official game company, who made it "open source". There are even some mission packs which use the original voices, clips and storylines as some of the episodes. A feast of recognition and utterly enjoyable as a true B5 fan. ___________
NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.12.22 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Wuff Wuff One of my favourite episodes is the one where Londo and G'Kar get stuck in a lift together.
Both high-up ambassadors of two respective alien races.
One race are long time ensalvers of the other, on top of which they also just recently decimated the others homeworld...
...and the two leaders get stuck in a lift together for the entire episode.
Freaking awesome.
- Wuffles
G'Kar and Londo in the lift
I loved Firefly, but B5 blows it out of the water.
Quote: "This is Ambassador Delenn of the Minbari. Babylon 5 is under our protection. Withdraw, .. or be destroyed." "Negative. We have authority here. Do not force us to engage your ship." "Why not? Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."
Delenn and Captain Drake, Severed Dreams
Rest in Peace G'Kar ♥
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Forranz
Malice. Tentative Nature
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Posted - 2009.12.22 15:55:00 -
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Here's one of my favorite scenes which I dub "EEK! GTFO!!!"
is it gtfo time?
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Zofe Stormcaller
Gallente Pelennor Swarm THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.12.22 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Forranz Here's one of my favorite scenes which I dub "EEK! GTFO!!!"
is it gtfo time?
I recall Lenier having the line "Initiating getting the hell out of here maneuver" in one point but I can't find a clip.
They never had lines like this in star trek...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXyDi_91UXw&NR=1
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Salena Tarra
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Posted - 2009.12.23 00:30:00 -
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I was thinking of getting a season of this but is the whole show as camp as those youtube clips? I like some Sci-Fi but a show like star trek that has to use actors dressed up in costumes to distract from the terrible writing and boring quasi religious plots doesnt interest me.
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.12.23 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Salena Tarra I was thinking of getting a season of this but is the whole show as camp as those youtube clips? I like some Sci-Fi but a show like star trek that has to use actors dressed up in costumes to distract from the terrible writing and boring quasi religious plots doesnt interest me.
If you think B5's writing is terrible, or "quasi religious" plot is boring, then don't bother wasting your money. ♥
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.12.23 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Wuff Wuff Edited by: Wuff Wuff on 16/12/2009 21:26:06 "What do I want? I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favours come with too high a price. I want to look up at your lifeless eyes and wave, like this..."
<Vir>Wave</Vir>
- Wuffles
Oh... and *waves* ♥
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Forranz
Malice. Tentative Nature
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Posted - 2009.12.23 08:46:00 -
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I couldn't find a clip either, the episode in question is "The Hour of the Wolf".
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 15:09:00 -
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Ivanova in playboy... was awesome!
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.12.23 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Forranz I couldn't find a clip either, the episode in question is "The Hour of the Wolf".
GTHO Maneuver:@ 35min 10sec ♥
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Tyranus vonCarstein
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.23 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex I quite liked the Babylon series. Would be the best one for me but can't decide between babylon and farscape. They are both pretty awsom. As mentioned first one is a bit slow, but it will get considerably more epic as the storyline progresses. Acting .. well dunno. Seemed okish enough for me.
Isn't that a shadow ship thingy in your sig? I watched alot of Babylon 5 when younger, just discovered that Hulu has it, been rewatching them.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.12.24 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Forranz I couldn't find a clip either, the episode in question is "The Hour of the Wolf".
GTHO Maneuver:@ 35min 10sec
Only for the US...
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Captian Conrad
Minmatar Empyrean Warriors
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Posted - 2009.12.24 09:30:00 -
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B5 fan reporting in and yea it gets good, 1st season is getting u into the story and putting some "things" in motion that will have consquences later
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Forranz
Malice. Tentative Nature
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Posted - 2009.12.24 13:38:00 -
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I wish they could've wrapped up the ending a bit better, don't get me wrong I did enjoy it. Don't think I can say anymore without ruining it.
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.12.24 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Forranz I couldn't find a clip either, the episode in question is "The Hour of the Wolf".
GTHO Maneuver:@ 35min 10sec
Only for the US...
see what happens when people don't vote net neutrality ♥
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JaseNZ
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.01 08:37:00 -
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One of my favourite Babylon 5 quotes:
Mr. Garibaldi: "I'm not authorized for that kind of information." David Endawi: "But you are the head of security." Mr. Garibaldi: "Then what kind of head of security would I be if I let people like me know things that I'm not supposed to know? I know what I know because I have to know it. And if I don't have to know it, I don't tell me, and I don't let anyone else tell me either. Now look, we have tried most of the other ambassadors, why don't you speak to G'Kar, maybe he knows something about this ship." David Endawi: "Under the terms of our recent treaty, I'm not authorized to have any official conversation with the Narn, without Centauri approval." Mr. Garibaldi: "So you'll ask unofficially. And I can give you reasonable assurances that the head of Security will not report you for doing so." David Endawi: "Because you won't tell yourself about it?" Mr. Garibaldi: "I try never to get involved in my own life, too much trouble."
Garibaldi is awesome!
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.01.01 15:41:00 -
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For those who think Firefly is better ... it's like this ... you are trying to compare an unfinished high school book report to a Doctoral Dissertation.
Whedon was very, very good at manipulating the audiences emotions however the man's ego couldn't cover his ass when it came to things he knew nothing about.
He knew NOTHING about the military.
He knew NOTHING about science.
For Buffy the Vampire Slayer (yes ... I have all 7 seasons not only on DVD but on VHS as well ...) he didn't have to know anything. He just made it all up. That was the man's genius - that he could create this world of vampire and slayers with this whole mythology supporting it. That and having the insight to cast SMG as Buffy ... The First Three Seasons of Buffy were Brilliant ... then he started feeling that he was God's gift to man kind and owed it to some niche political groups to use his position to propagandize their agenda ... and the thing went slowly to hell. But - those first three seasons were among the best things ever on television. The other problem besides Whedon's personal politics - was in S4 he got the Government and the Military Involved and started bringing Science vs. Magic into the show. The whole premise behind a high school girl fighting vampires is that no one would believe her if she said they were real. Had the Federal Government actually gotten involved - all the vampires would be dead and gone in a few months. Can anyone say Incendiary Rounds? Poof - no more vampire. He had Giles fighting Knights on Horseback in a Winnebago ... a horse can only do about 30 mph. Any car that will run can do more than that. The man's ideas got stupider the farther he got from the horror/fantasy world where he could just make everything up.
You can't do that with the military or SciFi - there's stuff out there that people know is real - and stuff that's ... sorta got to be ignored if you want to enjoy Firefly. It took me forever to realize that ... Firefly took place all in one solar system ... which ... evidently was just chock a block full of earth like planets (most of which looked like Southern California) ... which is absurd.
Don't get me wrong - I liked Firefly too. But compared to B5? Ha! There is no comparison.
One is a Science Fiction Masterpiece - the other ... is a post American Civil War Western set in outer space so that he doesn't have to have had his main hero fighting for the side that owned slaves.
Firefly was a cool little show that deserved more than it got (as did Freaks and Geeks ...) but that's all it was. I watched Serenity - and I'm glad the Brown Coats got it made but Serenity & Firefly just aren't in the same class as B5.
Nothing else really is.
Star Wars ... if you take all the books (which I've not read) and Movies together approaches B5 in it's depth but loses out with to much time devoted to marketing Ewoks ... and ... Lucus doesn't know that much about the military either ... Han Solo ... a General? No. And ... the rebel base getting attacked THE SAME DAY that Obi Wan died ... I hope to tell ya ... that Death Star could sure haul ass through space ...
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.01.01 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Raptos
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Alex Raptos
Originally by: Danton Marcellus Best sci-fi show ever.
Thats quite a bold claim.
Which would be better?
Firefly.
Firefly was a fantastic show, beating B5 in a lot of ways. I'd still say B5 was the better sci-fi show however.
Also Firefly had one abruptly terminated season which brings its own level of disappointment to the table. **** you FOX. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums
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Posted - 2010.01.01 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk You can't do that with the military or SciFi - there's stuff out there that people know is real - and stuff that's ... sorta got to be ignored if you want to enjoy Firefly. It took me forever to realize that ... Firefly took place all in one solar system ... which ... evidently was just chock a block full of earth like planets (most of which looked like Southern California) ... which is absurd.
One word: terraforming ____________________
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Dannerkongen
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.01.01 20:04:00 -
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im a total scifi fan!
babylon 5 sucked big donkey balls! plus
holy crap! that **** should have been cancelled when it startet!
**** acting **** effects and ship toasting!
! seriously ! they cancelled firefly ! but not "baby"lon5 ?
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.01.01 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dannerkongen im a total scifi fan!
babylon 5 sucked big donkey balls! plus
holy crap! that **** should have been cancelled when it startet!
**** acting **** effects and ship toasting!
! seriously ! they cancelled firefly ! but not "baby"lon5 ?
I think you might be suffering from mysterious ass-kicking girl syndrome, Weedon is big on that sort of fetish. As mentioned previously in this thread Firefly was anything but sci-fi, it was Johnny Reb in space with a side order of Buffy.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.01.02 02:38:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 02/01/2010 02:38:47
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk You can't do that with the military or SciFi - there's stuff out there that people know is real - and stuff that's ... sorta got to be ignored if you want to enjoy Firefly. It took me forever to realize that ... Firefly took place all in one solar system ... which ... evidently was just chock a block full of earth like planets (most of which looked like Southern California) ... which is absurd.
One word: terraforming
Yeah ... I thought of that but ... see all the text below this? It wouldn't have fit in that post.
The problem with that is - by the time they had terraformed one planet - they could be traveling between stars. Now of course ... if you are in an Einsteinian universe (which takes a lot of the fun out of sci fi) then FTL drives wouldn't be possible and ... you'd still have an unmanageably long travel time between planets. So - either they could go to other star systems and were just messing around in one star system ... for no good reason - or - they were stuck in one star system and took months if not years to travel from one planet to another.
Even then - the apparent number of planets that had been terraformed in this one solar system was ... a lot.
Terraforming is on an order of magnitude with FTL travel when it comes to technical difficulty.
Take Mars for instance. The Earth has a molten, moving core which creates it's magnetic field - which is what keeps the solar wind from blowing all your atmosphere away. Mars does not seem to have a molten, moving core - does not have a magnetic field about it comparable to Earths and - has thus had most of whatever atmosphere it may have once had ... largely blow away. Trying to create an atmosphere with the same composition and pressure as Earths - while fighting the solar wind - is a serious technical problem.
Thus - most of the planets that aren't Earth like to begin with - are that way for a reason and trying to change that for a single planet would be a tremendous task.
In any case - terraforming or not - the solar system they were in obviously wasn't this one. There aren't that many earth sized planets in this system. So ... if they were humans ... and they weren't here ... how the hell did they get to where they were? And if they had interstellar travel ... why not use that?
I can tell you why. It's because Whedon had no idea what he was writing about until some one pointed a few things out to him (like the galaxy and our solar system not being the same thing) and then offered him terraforming as a way out of looking really stupid ... and yes ... I'm afraid I really do believe that's just what happened. Maybe not ... that's pretty stupid ... but ... you would be surprised how people who are simply brilliant in some areas (as Whedon was) can be incredibly ignorant in others. I know people like that.
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Elukka
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Posted - 2010.01.02 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: Elukka on 02/01/2010 07:20:49 Edited by: Elukka on 02/01/2010 07:20:23 Edited by: Elukka on 02/01/2010 07:18:44 Why the hell are you directly comparing Firefly to Babylon 5? All they have in common is that they both have spaceships. That's like comparing Days of Our Lives to CSI because they both have cars.
Toshiro, you can't really say B5 tries for any sort of scientific accuracy. Yes, the Starfuries have maneuvering thrusters, but that's about it. I'd say Firefly is a lot more accurate in many ways, but still not horribly so.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.01.02 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Elukka ... Why the hell are you directly comparing Firefly to Babylon 5? All they have in common is that they both have spaceships. That's like comparing Days of Our Lives to CSI because they both have cars.
Toshiro, you can't really say B5 tries for any sort of scientific accuracy. Yes, the Starfuries have maneuvering thrusters, but that's about it. I'd say Firefly is a lot more accurate in many ways, but still not horribly so.
I didn't start it.
Someone said Fire Fly was better, in response to statements of how good B5 was and that's what prompted that.
Yes, they really don't have much in common as I've pointed out and yes neither one is all about scientific accuracy - the word "science" only being a modifier to the word "fiction".
However - what I am criticizing in my discussion of terraforming is the lack of internal consistency.
If someone offers up Terraforming as an explanation of why there were so many Earth Like planets in a single solar system - then pointing out the fact that Terraforming wouldn't really explain that, except as a cover for a larger mistake, is what I was doing.
Again - Firefly was a good show. I liked it. I'm just pointing out that it wasn't in the same league as B5 to people who insist it was better.
Part of the problem with discussing a show like Firefly is that you have a dedicated community of fans for that show that are very devoted to it. They were so dedicated they got a movie made out of a failed TV series. Trying to have an objective discussion with people so dedicated to a show ... can be difficult. To them - no matter what the evidence - the show they have put so much effort and emotion into - will always be better than anything else. You had the same problem with Buffy fans, of which I was one. Whedon's real talent is getting people emotionally involved with his creations and that isn't the sort of thing that promotes objective discussion.
Both Firelfly and Buffy were really good shows - but - both of them were niche shows that appealed to a certain audience. You see that a lot in Hollywood. It's like the guy who directed Donny Darko. He makes this low budget cult film that has a bit of a following - Hollywood thinks "Wow - if we gave this guy some real money he could make something that really sells!" and they do - and he makes Southland Tales ... which was terrible ... and is a failure. At least when Whedon made Serenity - it wasn't terrible - and while it wasn't a failure either - it wasn't enough of a success to start a franchise, which Whedon himself saw after the first few weeks returns.
Both Firefly and Buffy were ... pretty much unique series. There wasn't really anything out there you could compare them to - but that was their problem. What really matters - and what Hollywood is beginning to discover - is that a well organized campaign by a bunch of really dedicated fans - does not translate into main stream acceptance - as formula movies like Avatar do. What makes lots of people go see a movie is a good buzz on the film and concepts they are very familiar with. Thus, the plethora of "High Tech is Evil - Low Tech is Good" films out there - of which Serenity/Firefly was one. It was just still to "different" to have main stream appeal - and - main stream appeal is what translates into Box Office returns. *shrug*
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ReaperOfSly
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Posted - 2010.01.02 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Terraforming is on an order of magnitude with FTL travel when it comes to technical difficulty.
What gave you that idea? FTL is impossible with our current understanding of physics. Terraforming is not. ____________________
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