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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2009.12.18 18:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Anslo
Edited by: Anslo on 18/12/2009 16:42:31
Edited by: Anslo on 18/12/2009 16:42:02
Originally by: Ban Doga
Originally by: Benedict Carol
As a consumer your only right is to demand what you paid for. In this case you give CCP 15$ a month to play in their sandbox, and per the EULA this stuff will happen.
Don't like it? Don't play, build your own better competitor, or buy CCP.
Far too many people with a fairly small amount of money and no time invested think their paltry sum equates to a right to tell people how to run their business -- it doesn't. Vote with your dollars if you don't like it, hand your stuff over to me on your way out, I'll put it to good use.
So how much unplanned downtime do you tolerate?
How about not being able to play the only 3 hours during your work week you could play because of a server issue?
And some people do complain because they still care.
The ones that do not care (any more) usually just leave without saying anything.
Like I said before, if you don't like it stop *****ing. Your whinny opinions are worthless, much like your existence.
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Linkage
What I feel like I just did to every whiner in this thread...and you all deserve it...the slapping not the banning...ok and the banning
double edit: now linkified
If you really think people who complain (whine) simply don't like the game you are ignoring a lot of things.
There are many aspects to this: game mechanics, performance, availability, costs, customer support, etc.
I agree that the combination of all (or most) of those aspects is really good and it will be very difficult to find another MMO that could become a valid alternative for me.
But that does not mean that I believe that every single aspect of the game is as good as it could be.
E.g. I think that the availability of EVE has been decreased since the latest expansion.
But I still think that the overall package is very good.
Also: Your argument works the other way too!
The forum and the other users in here are part of the game as well. If you don't like it stop *****ing.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.18 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Selrid Miamarr
I have mixed feelings. Yes, I appreciate the complexity and design issues developers face, but is it really so complex as to make the jukebox play music in game when it used to before? There are complicated issues of game balance and the need to downtime the servers for hardware related issues, but some decisions are needless, and do show very poor planning.
It is absurd to be forced to petititon a GM to restart a newbie tutorial quest, for one. It is also absurd for a game that is built around socialization not to have a way to search player-created chats to join public ones. CCP does many things very well, but glaring to me is how much they tend to not do things that are basic in most other games in the genre.
Good points here, as a developer I've noticed things that definitely could be improved, and the list of public player chat channels is one that makes sense. Often with software development it's the overall design that is focussed on and details have to be worked on later. I suggest you add that idea about the public channels list in the Features & Ideas section, I'd support it for one.
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Erinyes Nazgul
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Posted - 2009.12.18 18:57:00 -
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Outstanding post.
Cheers to the EVE Devs and all the folks at CCP that support them.  Well done.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.18 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ban Doga
Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 18/12/2009 18:05:10
Heh, like I said, if you don't like what they do, then you leave. Whining about how this game fails on many levels and any imbecile could do better (as I often see in GD) doesn't help.
That was my only point. Not defending or attacking CCP here at all.
Heh, like you said, if you don't like what you can read in the forum, then you leave. Whining about how the postings here fail on many levels and any imbecile could write better (as I often see in threads like this) doesn't help.
That was my only point. Not defending or attacking people who complain about stability/quality issues at all.
lol at you thought I was whining. 
One of the best parts of whorum foring is reading idiot posts and then letting them realize they are the idiots they are. 
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Riedle
Minmatar
Raptus Regalitor
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.12.18 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: D melanogaster
If it is so effing hard to make the things they advertise, perhaps they shouldnt promise them? People just want working content.. If there needs to be less new stuff, so be it.
If the product wasn't good then you wouldn't care when it wasn't working?
eh?
;)
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2009.12.18 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Originally by: Ban Doga
Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 18/12/2009 18:05:10
Heh, like I said, if you don't like what they do, then you leave. Whining about how this game fails on many levels and any imbecile could do better (as I often see in GD) doesn't help.
That was my only point. Not defending or attacking CCP here at all.
Heh, like you said, if you don't like what you can read in the forum, then you leave. Whining about how the postings here fail on many levels and any imbecile could write better (as I often see in threads like this) doesn't help.
That was my only point. Not defending or attacking people who complain about stability/quality issues at all.
lol at you thought I was whining.
One of the best parts of whorum foring is reading idiot posts and then letting them realize they are the idiots they are.
OH NOES, the evil man is lol'ing at me.
Guess I have to cry myself to sleep again... 
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Johnette Napolitano
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Posted - 2009.12.18 19:13:00 -
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I like Eve for the most part. I can even understand some bugs - stuff happens. What I can't forgive is the amazing amount of lack of understanding of basic game functions upon which CCP bases balance issues, and the huge amount of forum moderation/deleting of posts/banning of posting that's been going on recently. It's getting so bad threads are being locked and told to post elsewhere that has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand - the mods aren't even reading some threads, just auto-locking them.
So what do you do when you (mostly) enjoy the game, but think some of the devs are on crack, and the mods are ego-tipping like crazy?
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.18 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ban Doga
OH NOES, the evil man is lol'ing at me.
Guess I have to cry myself to sleep again...
Muahahahah Wait... what?
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Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2009.12.18 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Johnette Napolitano
I like Eve for the most part. I can even understand some bugs - stuff happens. What I can't forgive is the amazing amount of lack of understanding of basic game functions upon which CCP bases balance issues, and the huge amount of forum moderation/deleting of posts/banning of posting that's been going on recently. It's getting so bad threads are being locked and told to post elsewhere that has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand - the mods aren't even reading some threads, just auto-locking them.
So what do you do when you (mostly) enjoy the game, but think some of the devs are on crack, and the mods are ego-tipping like crazy?
This is relevant to the discussion at hand in what way?
This forum is an abomination Sony had better forums for EQ back in 1999 than EVE has today on the cusp of 2010.
But that has jack all to do with the game itself or the programers working on it.
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Swiftgaze
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Posted - 2009.12.18 19:45:00 -
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OP is begging for a GM position. 
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Oscillation Overthruster
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Posted - 2009.12.18 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Swiftgaze
OP is begging for a GM position.
Not hardly.
I get enough aggravation at my real job.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.12.18 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Swiftgaze
OP is begging for a GM position.
And you are a ruggedly unique, outspoken individualist telling it how it is... just like everyone else.
Not everyone that likes EVE, and likes the company that developed it, is brown nosing. I like cake, doesn't mean I aspire to be a baker.
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psylenz
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2009.12.18 20:06:00 -
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I'm going to program and virtual lawyer to sue you.
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Ptarmigent
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.18 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ptarmigent on 18/12/2009 20:22:12
Originally by: Oscillation Overthruster
Oh?
So you are saying there is a compiler out there with NO bugs?
REALLY?
Pray, tell, how can we mortals get this mythical piece of software?
Or are you alone among Gods privy to it?
Not at all, but I think you overstate the problem.
By the way there are compilers out there that are certified to be bug free; check out Military grade ADA for example.
Also, any decent C++ compiler would make hello world something like this:
Originally by: cpp
ORG 0100H
DB 'HELLO WORLD$', 0
INC DH
MOV AH,9
INT 21H
RET
Tell me where the bug might be ? Corrupt bios, perhaps but that's nothing to do with the code.
Perhaps it would be better to say there is no "perfect" software after a certain level of complexity.
Lasty, I agree with your statement in principle, I think CCP are doing a great job in difficult circumstances.
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Prisoner 257
Amarr
Rage For Order
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.12.18 20:57:00 -
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My complaints with EvE and CCP are solely related to the fact that OBVIOUS bugs shouldnt be getting into releases. If unloading a loaded probe launcher causes the probes to vanish, that shouldnt have happened. If a JC magically loses a set of +4 implants during a patch, that shouldnt happen. If it takes substantially more time to load the initial screen at first log in (station, POS or SS), again that shouldnt happen.
RL world example, if upgrading your mail server causes ALL of your old work email to be lost, that is unacceptable. Hey guess what, the corp mail sent prior to joining the corp upon upgrade was ALL LOST.
Does CCP do a good job overall? Yes, but that doesnt change the fact that I will go into the issues thread of whatever release and post in there, the issues I have had related to the new patch (RMR-Domination so far.)
Yes the posts stating that OMG EVE BROKE MY COMPUTER BECUASE I PATCHED AND MY DOG BLEW UP are ridiculous at best. The posts and threads stating:
Since Dominion we cant have fleet fights or JC implant sets vanish or probes disappear arent if they are worded beyond OMG ILL QUIT IF YOU DONT FIX THIS WAAAAAAAGH...
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2009.12.18 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Oscillation Overthruster
Originally by: Ptarmigent
Originally by: Oscillation Overthruster
... and even worse, the pontifications of those with just enough to be dangerous yet still ignorant as hell...
Originally by: Oscillation Overthruster
The long and ugly fact of the matter is that there is no "perfect" software. NONE. Not even a simple "Hello World" in C++ is without fault at various levels.
Oh .... Irony 
Oh?
So you are saying there is a compiler out there with NO bugs?
REALLY?
Pray, tell, how can we mortals get this mythical piece of software?
Or are you alone among Gods privy to it?
ITT:
Buggy compilers are the leading source for faulty software.
On an unrelated note:
Swimming in the ocean and then getting out of the water will drop the sea level because several drops of water will cling to your body...
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Kytanos Termek
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.12.18 21:04:00 -
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While we need to give feedback and tell CCP if there is something wrong with their game (constructive criticism is always good). Im tired of seeing all the whiner's and complainers. Being polite costs nothing.
Eve is a great game, It has it's flaw's sure. But I have never, Ever, Seen one other single game like it.
Go CCP!
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Swiftgaze
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Posted - 2009.12.18 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Swiftgaze
OP is begging for a GM position.
And you are a ruggedly unique, outspoken individualist telling it how it is... just like everyone else.
Umm would you like me to check everyone else's opinion next time for comparison before I post? Im not exactly sure what you are trying to point out.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.12.18 21:42:00 -
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Just lower your standards. Thats what I do with my games, women, beer, etc. It all works out for me. 
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.12.18 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Swiftgaze
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Swiftgaze
OP is begging for a GM position.
And you are a ruggedly unique, outspoken individualist telling it how it is... just like everyone else.
Umm would you like me to check everyone else's opinion next time for comparison before I post? Im not exactly sure what you are trying to point out.
Just pointing out that your comment is simply a tired meme that gets trotted out whenever anyone posts a thread of appreciation for the people that created this game.
Their opinion about the excellence of EVE is every bit as valid as the incessant (and often overly rude) whine threads that surface constantly, and just because they express the fact that they like the company doesn't mean they are smoozing for a job.
If you are going to be one of the nubbins making incessant, rude, no content, one line posts expect to be called on it from time to time.
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BowelMovement
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Posted - 2009.12.18 22:51:00 -
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I think EVE is a great game and that CCP do a very good job. The amount of content in the game and the complexity of it all is pretty amazing. This can't be achieved without very hard working, intelligent designers and programmers.
That said, it can't be ignored that there are quite a number of problems in EVE -- everything from small, annoying bugs to production down outages. I'm sure the latter will calm down, though...Until the next expansion.
I wonder if maybe CCP aren't over ambitious. Two major expansions a year isn't easy to manage. The new content and improvements we get twice a year are great and deserve applause. That's no easy task. But I suppose it doesn't come as a surprise that this is accompanied by the number of problems we see.
I guess what I'm getting at is that I can understand where both camps are coming from. CCP do a great job. No doubt about it. But maybe they try to achieve too much, which leads to the number of problems we see, which of course can be frustrating for the customer. I'm hungry. I bet my water boiled away by now.
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Joe Stalin
Unknown-Entity
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2009.12.18 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Joe Stalin on 18/12/2009 23:34:24
Anyone with experience with software dev/QA would easily see the problem CCP has with regard to making "perfect" software upgrades. Eliminating all bugs from a piece of software this complex, while continually adding new content, is a goal CCP tries for but is impossible to achieve realistically.
The problem is the test server is no replacement for the real server cluster with 50,000 simultaneous users. There is no way their QA staff can test all the code paths 50,000 users will even on the first day a patch is released. Only if CCP hired 50,000 QA engineers could they really be able to find all the issues the customers run into when new upgrades are pushed out.
CCP is doing the best they can while pushing the bleeding edge in online gaming.
Really my only REAL complaint is the long time issue of large fleets causing serious node lag that has had no real solution since the beginning of EVE.
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