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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:37:00 -
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So I have been seeing in all the discussions on "fairness", "balance", "carebears ruin game", "griefers ruin game" etc etc etc that a lot of people want alts banned because they break the game.
No, dear capsuleers, having multiple accounts and toons is part of the game. Its part of how CCP makes money, to you know, do important things like send weather balloons up in space and less important stuff like updating SiP or running servers.
So, please, stop the complaints.
Also, this then connects to all the other stuff that comes with it:
1) Spying - part of the game.
2) Wardec avoiding alts - part of the game.
3) NPC parked alts - part of the game.
Etc etc etc.
Essentially, the common thread here is that people want to play against the player - "hold him accountable". Which is not only impossible for technical and legal reasons, but also, its a freaking game.
You can:
1) Leave it
2) Play as whatever you want
Some of us are carebears in one toon, pirates in another, nullsec grunts in the other, and forum trolls in the other. So the toon you calling an evil griefer, might actually be the CEO of your carebear mining outfit you love and respect so much.
So thin about it... Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:37:00 -
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The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:43:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk.
Are you sure? Because that is some of the people clamoring to ban alts and multiple accounts for that very reason.
However, I wouldn't call it much. If that were true, there would have been an equilibrium reached already. Unless people take the roleplaying too far and fight themselves in the metagame as well as in the pew pew. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:58:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:masternerdguy wrote:The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk. Are you sure? Because that is some of the people clamoring to ban alts and multiple accounts for that very reason. However, I wouldn't call it much. If that were true, there would have been an equilibrium reached already. Unless people take the roleplaying too far and fight themselves in the metagame as well as in the pew pew. You play this game called EVE right? |
Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:59:00 -
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I wet my pants just then |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:01:00 -
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Anyway, on topic, I've only seen a few seriously suggest banning alts. The rest are being sarcastic/trolling... I hope.
1) CCP makes money from it, significantly.
2) It would be impossible to enforce. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:03:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote: You play this game called EVE right?
I see your point... but it would require thousands of people to do this... wait...
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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:03:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Anyway, on topic, I've only seen a few seriously suggest banning alts. The rest are being sarcastic/trolling... I hope.
1) CCP makes money from it, significantly.
2) It would be impossible to enforce.
Yes I mentioned the two points in the OP. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:09:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Unless people take the roleplaying too far and fight themselves in the metagame as well as in the pew pew. It happens.
We try and get people to fight us, but it never works. So bad at EVE ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:09:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk.
Well, now that I'm the Lord of a high security Pub, that calls for a celebration.
"Barmaid, a large mug of Quafe Ultra Special Edition for everyone in the house."
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:10:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:So, please, stop the complaints.
yeah .. good luck with that.
still, I haven;t heard many complaints in this vein.. where is all this complaining going on? [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:51:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Anyway, on topic, I've only seen a few seriously suggest banning alts. The rest are being sarcastic/trolling... I hope.
1) CCP makes money from it, significantly.
2) It would be impossible to enforce.
Not really. CCP could just refuse to allow more than one character per account.
But if they did this, the tinfoil hat crowd would vanish off the forums due to a single guy not being able to switch names every 2-3 weeks when everyone's successfully ignored him to death. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:57:00 -
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Xython wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Anyway, on topic, I've only seen a few seriously suggest banning alts. The rest are being sarcastic/trolling... I hope.
1) CCP makes money from it, significantly.
2) It would be impossible to enforce. Not really. CCP could just refuse to allow more than one character per account. But if they did this, the tinfoil hat crowd would vanish off the forums due to a single guy not being able to switch names every 2-3 weeks when everyone's successfully ignored him to death.
Except, as I mentioned, there is no legal way for CCP to ensure a single person doesn't control multiple accounts except requiring IDs to open and manage accounts and to plex them up etc. Yeah, that is soooo going to happen.
Even with ID requirements, the average neckbear can at least muster his mom, his dad, and his hot sister who is embarrassed of him in public.
And of course, CCP has a huge track record pursuing EULA violations that are not obvious :)
In fact, CCP should just have one account for everything, but that is a separate topic. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.06.20 03:02:00 -
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I'd like to point out there is a significant difference between wishing to curb behaviour like NPC corp hauling, mining and war dec evasion and wanting to ban alts.
I have only ever seen one or two posts requesting a ban on alts.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2012.06.20 03:04:00 -
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this is obviously a rumor The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.06.20 03:10:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:I'd like to point out there is a significant difference between wishing to curb behaviour like NPC corp hauling, mining and war dec evasion and wanting to ban alts.
I have only ever seen one or two posts requesting a ban on alts.
Splitting hairs a bit - ultimately when you scratch a lot of these, what actually lies beneath is contempt for alts in general, because the thin brained cannot role play and separate the toon from the person.
I personally think its tied to the whole "fairness" meme, in which alts are see as pay to win, like buying chars etc, and possibly - although this is just conjecture, as I do not read minds - envy and jellies at being not able to afford it. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.06.20 03:10:00 -
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Morganta wrote:this is obviously a rumor
Report me then. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Russell Casey
Goldbug Inc.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 03:45:00 -
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Alts are overrated anyway. Everything alts can do people can do, they just get used for convenience. And CCP is not going to cut off their primary source of income. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.06.20 04:03:00 -
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Russell Casey wrote:Alts are overrated anyway. Everything alts can do people can do, they just get used for convenience. And CCP is not going to cut off their primary source of income.
You implying alts are not people?
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Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 04:05:00 -
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I have 3 account 1 miner 1 main pvp and 1 transport open in every 3 screens i have multi tasking for the win lol. Nah just make the game a little bit easyer for me. Nothing special about it i think many people have this setup. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.20 04:12:00 -
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Xython wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Anyway, on topic, I've only seen a few seriously suggest banning alts. The rest are being sarcastic/trolling... I hope.
1) CCP makes money from it, significantly.
2) It would be impossible to enforce. Not really. CCP could just refuse to allow more than one character per account. But if they did this, the tinfoil hat crowd would vanish off the forums due to a single guy not being able to switch names every 2-3 weeks when everyone's successfully ignored him to death. Your forums alt would need it's own account, too. Quite a predicament for some posters here... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.06.20 04:15:00 -
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Johan Civire wrote:I have 3 account 1 miner 1 main pvp and 1 transport open in every 3 screens i have multi tasking for the win lol. Nah just make the game a little bit easyer for me. Nothing special about it i think many people have this setup.
I think you sir have the most usual setup. Maybe PI to improved certs in each would round it out, and of course industrial III to move the PI. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.06.20 04:16:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: Your forums alt would need it's own account, too. Quite a predicament for some posters here...
Specially those who work for CCP :)
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RAP ACTION HERO
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Posted - 2012.06.20 04:34:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:masternerdguy wrote:The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk. Well, now that I'm the Lord of a high security Pub, that calls for a celebration. "Barmaid, a large mug of Quafe Ultra Special Edition for everyone in the house." can you take that back to the like and get liked thread |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
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Posted - 2012.06.20 04:38:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk.
Or perhaps the other way around...
What's the difference between an alt and a main anyway? The term main has no meaning in a game like Eve. In a theme park MMO where progress is measured by gear, a main makes sense. There is no way to measure progress in Eve. I often play more on my alts than I do on my mains. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.06.20 05:01:00 -
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Just as a little side thing...anytime CCP does something to try and draw in more money without a positive impact on space, players shut it down.
Explain the positive aspects of alts. Dare to dream of a better New Eden. -áDegren for CSM 8 |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.06.20 05:03:00 -
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Degren wrote:Just as a little side thing...anytime CCP does something to try and draw in more money without a positive impact on space, players shut it down.
Explain the positive aspects of alts.
I suggest you start a new thread then. It is actually a good - but separate - question. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.06.20 05:07:00 -
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It's not, really.
It's stated in your post that alts won't go away because CCP makes money off them, but several other projects of theirs have, so...since the idea is so lolworthy, why are alts worth keeping around?
What significant benefit do they bring to the game? Dare to dream of a better New Eden. -áDegren for CSM 8 |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2012.06.20 05:12:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Anyway, on topic, I've only seen a few seriously suggest banning alts. The rest are being sarcastic/trolling... I hope.
1) CCP makes money from it, significantly.
2) It would be impossible to enforce.
I doubt CCP would make much more money, they might end up losing money as people quit the game. I've got 7 active accounts, all slots full from cap builders, to the odd price checker alt that isn't used much. If they stopped 3 chars per account would I open up extra accounts for the odd occasion I used a cap builder or price checker?? Hell no, I'd quit, as it would be the final nail in the coffin for me.
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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.06.20 05:20:00 -
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Degren wrote:It's not, really.
It's stated in your post that alts won't go away because CCP makes money off them, but several other projects of theirs have, so...since the idea is so lolworthy, why are alts worth keeping around?
What significant benefit do they bring to the game?
They allow:
1) Wardec avoidance
2) Espionage
3) Market PVP
4) Parallel training tracks (Which allow to reach functionality concurrently rather than sequentially)
5) Allow different role plays by the same player - genders, races, professions, etc
6) Specialized character toons (leadership toons for mining/fc. PI toons, etc)
7) Nerfed, but datacore collection was a great reason and more time consuming, PI (you can train two accounts of 3 toons to elite PI in about 6 months, giving you 36 planets. You wont have a life, but... 36 ******* PLANETS. You can then harvest them for 6 months and live a year off them making the accounts inactive.
The list could go on. Before the Inferno, they were also used to decshield.
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