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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1520
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Posted - 2012.06.20 05:27:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote: They allow:
1) Wardec avoidance
2) Espionage
3) Market PVP
4) Parallel training tracks (Which allow to reach functionality concurrently rather than sequentially)
5) Allow different role plays by the same player - genders, races, professions, etc
6) Specialized character toons (leadership toons for mining/fc. PI toons, etc)
7) Nerfed, but datacore collection was a great reason and more time consuming, PI (you can train two accounts of 3 toons to elite PI in about 6 months, giving you 36 planets. You wont have a life, but... 36 ******* PLANETS. You can then harvest them for 6 months and live a year off them making the accounts inactive.
The list could go on. Before the Inferno, they were also used to decshield.
Let's see...
1) Meh
2) Spying on noob corps gives tons of intel
3) You can do that anyway... market PvP doesn't track people unless you sell, then what? They'd have to buy more to know all those orders were yours but then no one cares 
4) agreed
5) Genders and race don't mean crap anymore
6) Meh
7) Those are all still boring as hell, my alt can do 6 planets... right now I'm harvesting off 1 because it bored me so I stopped |

Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
21
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Posted - 2012.06.20 06:09:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Let's see... 1) Meh 2) Spying on noob corps gives tons of intel 3) You can do that anyway... market PvP doesn't track people unless you sell, then what? They'd have to buy more to know all those orders were yours but then no one cares  4) agreed 5) Genders and race don't mean crap anymore 6) Meh 7) Those are all still boring as hell, my alt can do 6 planets... right now I'm harvesting off 1 because it bored me so I stopped
1) You are not a carebear then, but we are talking any use. Station camping while moving in an alt is #1 carebear trick. In fact, I used to collect tears from "mercs" by following them around in a velator in an npc corp alt. So salty!
2) You do not understand deep espionage then, which requires bypassing API checks, generating a persona etc.
3) I mean in the sense that you can enhance the opportunities by adding hundred of extra orders and dozens of more contracts
4) :)
5) They do to FW and role play people - hence this is a reason for people to pay for alts, which is the question. It is awkward to be Caldari in a Gallente militia, aint it? As to gender, again roleplay. Most of us dont care and are dudes with girl avatars, but some of us like variety.
6) Then you don't know how to solo mine with an orca, a hauler and a hulk. :)
7) True, but we are talking in general. I know people who dont pvp for half the year doing PI and then stop all PI and go and play. Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1521
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Posted - 2012.06.20 06:16:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Let's see... 1) Meh 2) Spying on noob corps gives tons of intel 3) You can do that anyway... market PvP doesn't track people unless you sell, then what? They'd have to buy more to know all those orders were yours but then no one cares  4) agreed 5) Genders and race don't mean crap anymore 6) Meh 7) Those are all still boring as hell, my alt can do 6 planets... right now I'm harvesting off 1 because it bored me so I stopped 1) You are not a carebear then, but we are talking any use. Station camping while moving in an alt is #1 carebear trick. In fact, I used to collect tears from "mercs" by following them around in a velator in an npc corp alt. So salty! 2) You do not understand deep espionage then, which requires bypassing API checks, generating a persona etc. 3) I mean in the sense that you can enhance the opportunities by adding hundred of extra orders and dozens of more contracts 4) :) 5) They do to FW and role play people - hence this is a reason for people to pay for alts, which is the question. It is awkward to be Caldari in a Gallente militia, aint it? As to gender, again roleplay. Most of us dont care and are dudes with girl avatars, but some of us like variety. 6) Then you don't know how to solo mine with an orca, a hauler and a hulk. :) 7) True, but we are talking in general. I know people who dont pvp for half the year doing PI and then stop all PI and go and play.
So it's a battle of wits then.... ok.
1) Alts are accounted for by that one weird guy that's sitting there....
2) Regular alts work fine, a simple employment history of trustworthy performance works better (no way I'd know that from personal experience though... I just know a guy that knows a guy)
3) I do that anyway
4) <--- bigger smile
5) I haz 1 male avatar... Stomp Beefnog, except I just used that guy to get a name from Space Mutiny before they were all taken 
6) I haz mining 1! I know how to mine 
*Edit: Forgot #7.... how the hell do you PI for 6 months?  |

Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
225
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Posted - 2012.06.20 07:21:00 -
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You kind of invented the problem so the solution was easy.
Besides, I can open an account with no information, feed it Plex in game with jet cans and there is really no way in the world to track the account. I'm sure if the law required it, they could do it but for the sake of banning alts? No, not practical. |

Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1425
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Posted - 2012.06.20 07:32:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:They allow:
1) Wardec avoidance
2) Espionage
3) Market PVP
4) Parallel training tracks (Which allow to reach functionality concurrently rather than sequentially)
5) Allow different role plays by the same player - genders, races, professions, etc
6) Specialized character toons (leadership toons for mining/fc. PI toons, etc)
7) Nerfed, but datacore collection was a great reason and more time consuming, PI (you can train two accounts of 3 toons to elite PI in about 6 months, giving you 36 planets. You wont have a life, but... 36 ******* PLANETS. You can then harvest them for 6 months and live a year off them making the accounts inactive.
The list could go on. Before the Inferno, they were also used to decshield.
I know what they allow...why are any of these things good for the health of the game? Dare to dream of a better New Eden. -áDegren for CSM 8 |

Gilat Sumat
The Fiction Factory Blue Nation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.20 07:52:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk.
Wrong... Actually, some of us "hi sec publords" have not forgotten where we started even though we've all created null sec pvp alts... |

Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
106
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Posted - 2012.06.20 08:42:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk.
Aww look a pubby learned how to talk. go back to your corner null bear wannabe and do what your suppose to. Be that goon pet meat shield |

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
3805
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Posted - 2012.06.20 08:57:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk.
Do you know what 'publord' means?
/me checks this persons corp ticker
Oh yes, it means you.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
532
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:03:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
Except, as I mentioned, there is no legal way for CCP to ensure a single person doesn't control multiple accounts except requiring IDs to open and manage accounts and to plex them up etc.
Even that won't happen because what's to stop me opening up an account in my wife's name, my kids' names, my parents' names, my siblings' names, my friends' names, etc etc etc, all with permission of the aforementioned persons? (I'll pay you $20 a month for it if you just pay the $13/month bill).
CCP would have to physicially ensure that these people were present and playing the game in order to avoid this. |

Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
252
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:48:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:masternerdguy wrote:The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk. Are you sure? Because that is some of the people clamoring to ban alts and multiple accounts for that very reason. However, I wouldn't call it much. If that were true, there would have been an equilibrium reached already. Unless people take the roleplaying too far and fight themselves in the metagame as well as in the pew pew.
I remember seeing a bio about this....
Gate camping in a hic: 200 mil isk. Bottle of bicardi: 20$
Killing your own indy alt hauling in 2 billion worth if pos mods for your corp: priceless |
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Doc Mulder
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:49:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:- envy and jellies at being not able to afford it. Exactly...
I can't afford an Audi R8.... But happy driving to those who can... |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
797
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:52:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:masternerdguy wrote:The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk. Are you sure? Because that is some of the people clamoring to ban alts and multiple accounts for that very reason. However, I wouldn't call it much. If that were true, there would have been an equilibrium reached already. Unless people take the roleplaying too far and fight themselves in the metagame as well as in the pew pew.
I actually think around half the characters in Hisec are most likely alts of nullsec and lowsec players. I have 9 actual characters on 3 accoutns, all with uses and roles. Of that 9, 6 are actually in hisec. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

AFK Hauler
State War Academy
560
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:13:00 -
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No more POWER OF TWO promotions?
What ever will CCP do? |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1089
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:20:00 -
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AFK Hauler wrote:No more POWER OF TWO promotions?
What ever will CCP do? Power of "and your friend" promotion.
Heh.. but no. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
23
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Posted - 2012.06.21 01:35:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:masternerdguy wrote:The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk. Are you sure? Because that is some of the people clamoring to ban alts and multiple accounts for that very reason. However, I wouldn't call it much. If that were true, there would have been an equilibrium reached already. Unless people take the roleplaying too far and fight themselves in the metagame as well as in the pew pew. I actually think around half the characters in Hisec are most likely alts of nullsec and lowsec players. I have 9 actual characters on 3 accoutns, all with uses and roles. Of that 9, 6 are actually in hisec.
Pretty much my point. Also, most people who wants alts banned should be in some other game, where the attachment to the toon is higher.
We all have the main, most people are not hardcore role players, but we play against toons, not people. But some people want to play against people, hence ban alts/multiple accounts, along with the jellies etc... Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |

Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
23
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Posted - 2012.06.21 02:36:00 -
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So someone actually started a thread calling for banning alts.
Cute.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1509253 Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1090
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Posted - 2012.06.21 02:49:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:We all have the main, most people are not hardcore role players, but we play against toons, not people. But some people want to play against people, hence ban alts/multiple accounts, along with the jellies etc... I don't really think it's about their hardcore role play though ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
23
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Posted - 2012.06.21 02:59:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:masternerdguy wrote:The hi sec publords do not realize much of the hi sec population are alts of us lo and null folk. Are you sure? Because that is some of the people clamoring to ban alts and multiple accounts for that very reason. However, I wouldn't call it much. If that were true, there would have been an equilibrium reached already. Unless people take the roleplaying too far and fight themselves in the metagame as well as in the pew pew. I remember seeing a bio about this.... Gate camping in a hic: 200 mil isk. Bottle of bicardi: 20$ Killing your own indy alt hauling in 2 billion worth if pos mods for your corp: priceless
Yeah people do fight themselves in pew pew, spies are essentially that.
But also in the metagame? I mean, that is sad, posting in a forum against what you just wrote. Damn... Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
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