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Zill The Scope	Posted - 2009.12.19 02:09:00 - [1] Well I been thinking bout it an sicne I haven't done a Fleet op in a while I have found the perfect fix to idiot teenagers who see themselves as gods gift to warfare heh 90% of FC's will send you crazy, they fall into 2 categories, #1 the Paton wanna be, this guy will attack a smegging Titan in a HAC (not the brightest candle in box). Cant begin to face the idea that he isn't the second coming of Caesar an generally gets everyone killed because he calls primary on the Titan while 100 other ships blow you to hell. He then blames it on anyone but him.. #2 The anel retentive fascist This guy will scream,shout an threaten you on vent. He will boot you on a heartbeat, for the slightest thing (usually disagreeing with him) He sees none's opinion but his,considers himself the greatest tactician in human hystory..... you get the idea The fix as I found it, go scout, none bothers you. Your left to just get on with it, an your contact with FC is down to the minimum. You get to call the drop an get corp transports to safety (always fun) sneak about an spy on others. Basically all the other **** that goes with fleet ops leaves you behind, an it is possibly the most relaxing time you can have in 0.0 EVE. Scouts in my experience tend to die somewhat fast, but there's always a trade off for avoiding the imbecilic munkeynut headbanger who runs the fleet :D
MIRKINZ Caldari DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.19 03:08:00 - [2] Not sure who you have been fleeting with but... In my expereince with good 0.0 allainces the FC is almost never a erogant teenage little boy. Usually my FCs are in their 30s-40s and very calm respective and im usually amazed at how they can coordinate 300 people at once. I have a feeling you are just with the wrong crowd and need to get with the good peeps. Allaince you in makes a huge differnce also..
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2009.12.19 05:04:00 - [3] yer I was in FCON for a while in Prov so that explains alot. One of my chars was in AAA for a time, other char "Al Ghazi"was in XXdeath. Been considering app to Atlas actually since I fought you lads a few times :)
Marko Riva Adamant Inc	Posted - 2009.12.19 05:48:00 - [4] Edited by: Marko Riva on 19/12/2009 05:53:04 There are just a fair few GOOD FC's in EVE, and even less I'd be willing to actually follow and accept that if he says something that doesn't stroke with my ideas he'll probably be right. An FC who understands tactics and flow of combat other than "FORWARD!", who pays attention to details (and KNOWS those details) and who prepared properly... doesn't happen that often. Then you have the ones who think that with shouting and spewing insults you should get things done, well... not with me. But then I've always seen corps and alliances differently; most people are happy to join one and will go to great lengths while those corps and alliances will ask "what can you do for us". ME, I'm more like "I'm an active, knowledgable teamplayer who puts in effort, how will you be able to afford me". And yes, I've mostly been a covert ops pilot in 0.0, but I actually have a lot of interaction with the FC, that's the whole point. I also don't understand your "scouts die a lot" theory. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2009.12.19 07:12:00 - [5] What I mean is "Scouts die alot" in situations like running recon in systems..These days containers are so widly used that its almost impossible for a cov ops to pass unseen in many places. Along with that the times I have been scouting for transports an haulers for corp, I was running scout one day for CEO an when I jumped in system an called jump on contact, "I stupidly" moved onto the next gate, the 3 SB's let me go without showing themselves (obviously) an once I had moved on, they nailed the haulers that came behind me.... Luckily we had some backup, but I died to the bombs when I came back. Dont know about you, but my scouts are usually unarmed or I am flying an SB, both of which die so fast it makes your head spin. (I really need to fit a recon)
Marko Riva Adamant Inc	Posted - 2009.12.19 09:35:00 - [6] Edited by: Marko Riva on 19/12/2009 09:37:53 Recons are crap scouts, they're too slow to make an escape. They ofcourse can put up a fight but most of the time if a recon can fight it, a covert can escape it. SB's aren't ideal scouts for that same reason; not fast enough. Scouts aren't for fighting, they're for... scouting. The only proper scout is a covert ops frig with MWD, nano's and (a last resort option) an ECM burst. If you know how to make it out of a bubble or, if things are too hot, make it safe BACK to the gate to jump into the previous systsem again (this requires you to know how the session timer stuff works) then you can avoid trouble. After you've jumped back you can have another go and hope to jump into a better position. Apart from that you need to use the cloak/mwd thing, which actually means the MWD/cloak thing. When in a bubble you align into a direction first, then hit cloak and THEN hit your MWD. NOT the other way round. But more than anything; a scout is only as good as his BM's. When I joined a 0.0 alliance or we moved/prepared to operate in a new area I'd put some DAYS in to bookmark ALL gates, apart from the really unimportant ones. If you ask a scout "do you have any bookmarks for the trip" and he answers with "no, why" tell him to GTFO and get another scout. preparation is king. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
Intigo Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.19 10:08:00 - [7] Edited by: Intigo on 19/12/2009 10:09:45 My corp has more awesome FCs than you can shake a stick at, whoop~ Originally by: Zill What I mean is "Scouts die alot" in situations like running recon in systems..These days containers are so widly used that its almost impossible for a cov ops to pass unseen in many places. Along with that the times I have been scouting for transports an haulers for corp, I was running scout one day for CEO an when I jumped in system an called jump on contact, "I stupidly" moved onto the next gate, the 3 SB's let me go without showing themselves (obviously) an once I had moved on, they nailed the haulers that came behind me.... Luckily we had some backup, but I died to the bombs when I came back. Dont know about you, but my scouts are usually unarmed or I am flying an SB, both of which die so fast it makes your head spin. (I really need to fit a recon) Bla bla bla. Posting in yet another thread where Zill complains about containers because he's a bad Covert Ops pilot. Get over it. Edit: Also, wow - your original post has so much stupidity in it I don't have time to even mention half of it. As a scout you should not be keeping communication with your FC to a "minimum", you should be talking to him constantly about the things you are...SCOUTING! ___________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it.
Swansinthepark	Posted - 2009.12.19 10:50:00 - [8] If the FC is driving you crazy try to think about things from his/her perspective. If you are in a fleet that is composed of a few haulers with macinaws inside them that maybe 200 to 300 mill isk in the fleet and the cargo, if its a freighter the cost of the felt and cargo can be billions of isk, I have only had to FC a freightr about in 0.0 once and i was so tense my hands were shaking! try to remember the FC has alot to worry about. If you are in a fleet that get owned you can say "that FC sux" and walk away, the fc doesn't have that option he/she has to account for that loss to CEOs and pos fuelers etc its a lot to carry on one set of shoulders so try to be a little more understanding if he/she barks orders at you or sounds under pressure (its because they are under pressure). Fly safe everyone o7
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2009.12.19 21:11:00 - [9] Edited by: Zill on 19/12/2009 21:12:38 I agree marko by an large. My scout is a Helios with nano's etc no point in adding guns to a cov ops (in my opinion) MWD/Cloak is possibly one of my fav thing's :) It works very well. In all fairness I have been operating in new grounds a lot lately, so my BM's are down to a minimum. Spending an hour to make 4 safe spots/warps to gate is pretty normal for me. I usually jump in sys, check for reds then I just head strait out from my angle of warpin till 300k's out then BM. After that I make 3 more jumps for safe spots ending with a jump directly north of the top of the exit/entry gate's that allows me to avoid any bubbles (usually) an gets me looking down at gate an I can jump on top of it an be gone (Russians are nothing if not predictable in leaving top of gates clear) As for the friendly little soul carrying on, I didn't complain about anything, I merely mentioned the fact containers are such widely used, it makes our lives hard. Please dont be silly an waste my time if you have nothing intelligent to say. I said scouting keeps your interaction with FC to a minimum an I meant that, but reporting on spikes/targets fleets routes clear an busy etc etc etc are taken as writen. You obviously are there to do a job. But your out on your own so you just get on with it, an don't have him *****ing in your ear all time carrying on like an idiot. You may have General bloody Paton reincarnated himself in your corp, but I have had the worst luck with FC's so the more time I get to spend away from the fleet the happier I am. :D
Lt Forge Pilots From Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.12.20 01:30:00 - [10] Just broadcast some music on TS, no headset needed, if you turn Stereo Mix mode on. Watch the volume though and fly safe. Oh and IRC is just multiplayer Notepad.
Gobbins Minmatar eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.20 06:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Zill #2 The anel retentive fascist This guy will scream,shout an threaten you on vent. He will boot you on a heartbeat, for the slightest thing (usually disagreeing with him) He sees none's opinion but his,considers himself the greatest tactician in human hystory..... representin' - Gob
Raneru Euphoria Released	Posted - 2009.12.20 14:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Gobbins Originally by: Zill #2 The anel retentive fascist This guy will scream,shout an threaten you on vent. He will boot you on a heartbeat, for the slightest thing (usually disagreeing with him) He sees none's opinion but his,considers himself the greatest tactician in human hystory..... representin' - Gob Confirmin'
Eato Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.12.20 20:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Zill #2 The anel retentive fascist This guy will scream,shout an threaten you on vent. He will boot you on a heartbeat, for the slightest thing (usually disagreeing with him) He sees none's opinion but his,considers himself the greatest tactician in human hystory..... ^^this^^ is why I have been soloing more lately. Emo raging and screaming on vent gives me a headache. Last time I checked, Eve is a game that I pay for every month for enjoyment. No part of getting Emo'd is enjoyment.
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.12.20 21:19:00 - [14] So #1 vs #2? Or, Gavin vs. Psyflame? -b
yani dumyat Minmatar Pixie Cats	Posted - 2009.12.20 23:38:00 - [15] I guess screaming on vent could have something to do with stress responses like fight or flight. If you scroll down to the Negative effects of the stress response in humans you'll see that "constipation, anorexia, erectile dysfunction, difficulty urinating, and difficulty maintaining sexual arousal" are possible side effects. (citation unfortunately missing) If you couldn't have sex and had difficulty urinating you'd scream on vent too. _________________________________________________ Lifeboat ----> + Human
Hellfury Resurrected Incura HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.21 00:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Zill What I mean is "Scouts die alot" Wait, what? I've died once ever while scouting, and that was purely pilot error, don't know what you're talking about -------------------------------------------
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2009.12.22 01:57:00 - [17] hehe ive been died bout 6 times in total.
GavinGoodrich State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.12.22 02:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Zill #1 the Paton wanna be, this guy will attack a smegging Titan in a HAC (not the brightest candle in box). Cant begin to face the idea that he isn't the second coming of Caesar an generally gets everyone killed because he calls primary on the Titan while 100 other ships blow you to hell. He then blames it on anyone but him.. \o woot \o
Robert0288 Caldari R E D E M P T I O N Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.22 09:43:00 - [19] Just needed 2 more guys to shoot the damn primary and we woulda had the titan
Sheena Inbortalisss	Posted - 2009.12.22 11:49:00 - [20] Because i got high because i got high!! dun nuh nuh I was gonna post a cool thread but then i got high, i was gonna fc and kill some red but then i got high
crondarin	Posted - 2009.12.23 11:52:00 - [21] if you don't like your FC's, Start your own fleet and be the FC your self
Avoida	Posted - 2009.12.23 16:44:00 - [22] Originally by: Zill #2 The anal retentive fascist: This guy will scream,shout an threaten you on vent. He will boot you on a heartbeat, for the slightest thing (usually disagreeing with him) He sees noone's opinion but his,considers himself the greatest tactician in human history..... You've flown with Lord DragonMPS?
Chief Tech Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2009.12.23 19:41:00 - [23] Originally by: MIRKINZ Not sure who you have been fleeting with but... In my expereince with good 0.0 allainces the FC is almost never a erogant teenage little boy. Usually my FCs are in their 30s-40s and very calm respective and im usually amazed at how they can coordinate 300 people at once. I have a feeling you are just with the wrong crowd and need to get with the good peeps. Allaince you in makes a huge differnce also.. You are kidding, are you ?? You must be new in Atlas and never had the joy of flying under Bobby ( S...the F.. up ) Atlas than !! I ignore Atlas and good alliance in the same sentence, because, that is just wrong, and you mean some other you had the joy flying with before !? Merry Christmas ya'll
Noskill McCheese Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.24 05:10:00 - [24] Flying with Mukk is like having gandalf, jean-luc picard, obi-wan kenobi, and patches o'houlihan rolled into one FC <3
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.24 05:24:00 - [25] #3 FC's like the ones in sev3rance where they just gatecamp for 3 hours instead of jumping into the pocket where the hostiles are killing neutrals and ratters, despite having 5 to 1 number advantage. ---
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.24 05:24:00 - [26] #3 FC's like the ones in sev3rance where they just gatecamp for 3 hours instead of jumping into the pocket where the hostiles are killing neutrals and ratters, despite having 5 to 1 number advantage. ---
Sean Faust Gallente Swarm of Angry Bees	Posted - 2009.12.24 17:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Marko Riva Edited by: Marko Riva on 19/12/2009 09:37:53 If you ask a scout "do you have any bookmarks for the trip" and he answers with "no, why" tell him to GTFO and get another scout. preparation is king. So what you're saying is that when your alliance decides, on a whim, to go on a fun roam to a section of space nobody in your alliance has ever been to before, the scout then by default fails? Or do you simply not go on those roams? I can't even fathom how boring the game must be in that case...
Marko Riva Adamant Inc	Posted - 2009.12.24 23:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Sean Faust Originally by: Marko Riva Edited by: Marko Riva on 19/12/2009 09:37:53 If you ask a scout "do you have any bookmarks for the trip" and he answers with "no, why" tell him to GTFO and get another scout. preparation is king. So what you're saying is that when your alliance decides, on a whim, to go on a fun roam to a section of space nobody in your alliance has ever been to before, the scout then by default fails? Or do you simply not go on those roams? I can't even fathom how boring the game must be in that case... Unless you're a non-sov holding roaming alliance nothing ever happens on a whim, and if that space is closeby It's gonna be BMed by the scout. Proper scouts are in contact with command and go AHEAD of any OPs making BM's etc. If it would happen anyway the scout wouldn't be as effective and both scout as FC should realise that. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2009.12.26 22:42:00 - [29] Edited by: Zill on 26/12/2009 22:48:07 Originally by: Marko Riva Originally by: Sean Faust Originally by: Marko Riva Edited by: Marko Riva on 19/12/2009 09:37:53 If you ask a scout "do you have any bookmarks for the trip" and he answers with "no, why" tell him to GTFO and get another scout. preparation is king. So what you're saying is that when your alliance decides, on a whim, to go on a fun roam to a section of space nobody in your alliance has ever been to before, the scout then by default fails? Or do you simply not go on those roams? I can't even fathom how boring the game must be in that case... Unless you're a non-sov holding roaming alliance nothing ever happens on a whim, and if that space is closeby It's gonna be BMed by the scout. Proper scouts are in contact with command and go AHEAD of any OPs making BM's etc. If it would happen anyway the scout wouldn't be as effective and both scout as FC should realise that. I had 100s of BM's in Prov, it didn't matter where we needed to go, I had a safe jump's from dital to kari to the arse end of nowhere. Not counting all the CVA Outposts/Pos's an Array BM's I managed to pick up.... (Worthless crap couldn't even sell them to AAA). Never trust a "friend" with the fact you have CVA passwords, prick grassed me up to em an the passes got changed. lol PS while I'm off on a tangent, Never EVER EVER! trust FCON in prov.....wall to wall spys, an the Alliance CEO is def, dumb, an stupid to the fact. (I was reporting on a spike to alliance, an when asked for my location I told em (stupid mistake #1).....2 min's later after I had just moved out another 200k's, 2 Vaga's came "directly" to where I had been. LOVE my Helios :D
Ion Kirst	Posted - 2009.12.27 22:23:00 - [30] Mirkinz said that most FC's are in their 30-40's. Some other guy mentioned that when he was a FC his hands were just shaking. ( I do think that most of the loudest, crudest, and beligerent players are teenagers.) I just had to grin a bit, I'm 59! I couldn't be a FC, hell my heart wants to come out of my chest when I see flashing red WT's. (Doesn't happen in L4's though) (-but I could follow orders, and die with my hair on fire and my finger still on the trigger. Oh wait, I've done that already!)

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