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highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
113
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:00:00 -
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(Ignore the ass hat that posted first, I'm asking a genuine question here)
I can understand the buffer to mining yield. But the Tank and Ore hold is baffling to me.
Why should a retriever, that is half the size (give or take) of a hulk have MORE tank and MORE Ore bay? Its smaller. The covetor and Hulk are the size they are for a reason.
Bigger barge = more space
I like the fact they will be more difficult targets now. Ganking is fun, but a bit too easy sometimes.
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:01:00 -
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You are going to cry even though CCP is buffing your barges.
Removed. Ascii not permitted. Navigator. |
highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
113
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:02:00 -
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I'm not crying, Troll else where.
People can't even ask an actual question around here
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Ohanka
Aggressive Narcissists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
115
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:03:00 -
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highonpop wrote:I'm not crying, Troll else where.
People can't even ask an actual question around here
you misunderstand the actual buff. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow
NightSong Directorate
749
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:03:00 -
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Because you cant have your cake and eat it too.
CCP is really teasing you lot by making the procurer the high tank one and the lowest yield
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
113
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:04:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Because you cant have your cake and eat it too. CCP is really teasing you lot by making the procurer the high tank one and the lowest yield
Yea, that kinda threw me for a loop for a sec.
I guess CCP has a sense of humore after all 
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
41
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:04:00 -
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Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.
All barges will be situational.
All barges are getting a yield increase.
Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow
NightSong Directorate
749
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:06:00 -
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Andoria Thara wrote:Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.
All barges will be situational.
All barges are getting a yield increase.
Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational.
Situational awareness? Multiple ships for multiple jobs? Madness!
Only the top tier of the hi sec grinders will comprehend that.
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Ohanka
Aggressive Narcissists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
115
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:06:00 -
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Andoria Thara wrote:Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.
All barges will be situational.
All barges are getting a yield increase.
Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational.
except the procurer, which will still be as useless as ever. |
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs
New Eden Research.
214
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:08:00 -
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Because the hulk has massive circuits, computers, and extraction equipment used to optimize its mining extraction rate. This equipment takes up a whole lot of space due to its massive efficiency. The retriever has no such equipment, allowing to to devote most internal space to cargo.
Bam, immersion unbroken. You're welcome.
Not everyone thinks the same way you do. This doesn't automatically make them wrong. |
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MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
476
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:08:00 -
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It is a choice
Low yield but high defense (for the afker)
Medium Yield with large cargo and medium defense (for the semi-alert afker)
High-yield, low defense (for the alert player/team player)
Or from the ganker's point of view
Bring a Tornado or two
Bring a couple destroyers
Same idiot, different patch.
Check out the new Orca model, brought to you by the Unified Inventory System
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AFK Hauler
State War Academy
560
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:08:00 -
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Hi Sec miners will think their Hulks are now perma tanks with maximum expander slots after the "buff" because they can mine in total safety.
am i right?
I wonder how long it will be before we see QQ threads about lost ore - not knowing that an ore bay was even added to the hulk after rebalance. |
Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:09:00 -
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Ohanka wrote:Andoria Thara wrote:Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.
All barges will be situational.
All barges are getting a yield increase.
Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational. except the procurer, which will still be as useless as ever.
Until hulkageddon....
Also, since CCP removed my fine ASCII picard facepalm from my fine first post.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/001/582/picard-facepalm.jpg?1240934151 |
Ituhata Saken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:09:00 -
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highonpop wrote:(Ignore the ass hat that posted first, I'm asking a genuine question here)
I can understand the buffer to mining yield. But the Tank and Ore hold is baffling to me.
Why should a retriever, that is half the size (give or take) of a hulk have MORE tank and MORE Ore bay? Its smaller. The covetor and Hulk are the size they are for a reason.
Bigger barge = more space
I like the fact they will be more difficult targets now. Ganking is fun, but a bit too easy sometimes.
Just for the record, i have an industrial alt that regularly flies a Hulk, and I even do a little mining on this toon sometimes too. I'm actually curious about this buff since It will directly affect me.
The same reason why an armored truck has more tank than a semi/tractor trailer. The upcoming changes mainly are for balance and to give each ship a role, and its hard to say a hulk shouldn't have a bigger bay, but we can say this is because it has sophisticated yet rather large onboard equipment that helps it process/yield ore at a substantially greater rate than the other barges at a reduced capacity to hold it.
EDIT: Darn, Nyreanya beat me to it. A like for like minded people.
So close... |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1070
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:09:00 -
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AFK Hauler wrote:I wonder how long it will be before we see QQ threads about lost ore - not knowing that an ore bay was even added to the hulk after rebalance.
mining lasers will put ore in the ore bay, not in cargo
eh |
highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
113
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:10:00 -
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Ohanka wrote:Andoria Thara wrote:Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.
All barges will be situational.
All barges are getting a yield increase.
Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational. except the procurer, which will still be as useless as ever.
Actually, the procurer will have the hardest tank (If I read the dev blog right)
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
113
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:10:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:AFK Hauler wrote:I wonder how long it will be before we see QQ threads about lost ore - not knowing that an ore bay was even added to the hulk after rebalance. mining lasers will put ore in the ore bay, not in cargo
^ This I like. Having a separate ORE bay on the barges is going to be nice.
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow
NightSong Directorate
749
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:11:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:AFK Hauler wrote:I wonder how long it will be before we see QQ threads about lost ore - not knowing that an ore bay was even added to the hulk after rebalance. mining lasers will put ore in the ore bay, not in cargo
CCP is really dumbing the game down these days.
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
42
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:11:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Andoria Thara wrote:Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.
All barges will be situational.
All barges are getting a yield increase.
Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational. Situational awareness? Multiple ships for multiple jobs? Madness! Only the top tier of the hi sec grinders will comprehend that.
It's not that difficult to understand.
It's like 3 variants of 1 barge, each focusing one of the three main points: Cargo Space, Yield, Tank (EHP)
I wouldn't be surprised if they grouped all T1 barges together into one varient list. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow
NightSong Directorate
749
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:13:00 -
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Andoria Thara wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Andoria Thara wrote:Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.
All barges will be situational.
All barges are getting a yield increase.
Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational. Situational awareness? Multiple ships for multiple jobs? Madness! Only the top tier of the hi sec grinders will comprehend that. It's not that difficult to understand. It's like 3 variants of 1 barge, each focusing one of the three main points: Cargo Space, Yield, Tank (EHP) I wouldn't be surprised if they grouped all T1 barges together into one varient list.
It's not difficult for me to understand, but for your typical hi sec AFK while doing homework guy it will be
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
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highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
113
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:13:00 -
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Just seems to me that this buff is going to take away the need to ever even purchase a Hulk. The high price on them wouldnt be worth the slightly higher yield. Especially since they will be easier to blow up than a retriever and they are like more than 10x the cost.,
Read First Dev Post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Ituhata Saken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:15:00 -
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CCP specifically stated the role of the hulk with these changes is meant to be in a large mining op setting with logistic and tactical support. Something liek a nullsec mining op.
So close... |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow
NightSong Directorate
750
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:16:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:CCP specifically stated the role of the hulk with these changes is meant to be in a large mining op setting with logistic and tactical support. Something liek a nullsec mining op.
Which was what hulks were originally intended for anyway.
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
89
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:17:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:AFK Hauler wrote:I wonder how long it will be before we see QQ threads about lost ore - not knowing that an ore bay was even added to the hulk after rebalance. mining lasers will put ore in the ore bay, not in cargo CCP is really dumbing the game down these days.
Because mining is just such a thrilling and complicated profession. |
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
42
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:20:00 -
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Rer Eirikr wrote:
Because mining is just such a thrilling and complicated profession.
It's just like anything else, it's as fun or as boring as you want it to be.
I like fishing, some people hate it.
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Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
89
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:24:00 -
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I admit it helps me catch up on queue'd shows on Hulu.  |
Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:30:00 -
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highonpop wrote:I can understand the buffer to mining yield. But the Tank and Ore hold is baffling to me.
Why should a retriever, that is half the size (give or take) of a hulk have MORE tank and MORE Ore bay? Its smaller. The covetor and Hulk are the size they are for a reason.
The ore bay of the new Hulk implements an experimental matter-compression system (like those used by cargo containers) proprietary to ORE. Unfortunately due to unclear development goals, poor oversight, excessive outsourcing, and rushed delivery, the new compression system is in fact less than 0% efficient and its bloated, incomprehensible machinery uses up most of the space inside the Hulk's hull, leaving little room for the ore bay itself. However, the system still had to be included for contractual reasons.
I am positively dripping with flavour.
GÇô postum faex est GÇô-á |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
746
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:35:00 -
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If all barges are to be situational wouldn't it make sense that they are all T1? |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:35:00 -
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I think what thread OP is complaining about the model scale. I agree with him. Ship and overall stuff scaling in EvE is really ****** up. Although I would really like a more reallistic approach I don't mind it that much. |
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
42
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:43:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:If all barges are to be situational wouldn't it make sense that they are all T1?
They'll be just like every other ship.
The T1s will be equivalent to each other, Retriever:CARGO - Covetor:YIELD - Procurer:TANK.
Then the T2s will be a bit better, with the same scheme. |
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