I'm not crying, Troll else where.


People can't even ask an actual question around here

Because you cant have your cake and eat it too.

CCP is really teasing you lot by making the procurer the high tank one and the lowest yield

Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.

All barges will be situational.

All barges are getting a yield increase.

Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational.

Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.

All barges will be situational.

All barges are getting a yield increase.

Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational.

except the procurer, which will still be as useless as ever.

(Ignore the ass hat that posted first, I'm asking a genuine question here)


I can understand the buffer to mining yield. But the Tank and Ore hold is baffling to me.


Why should a retriever, that is half the size (give or take) of a hulk have MORE tank and MORE Ore bay? Its smaller. The covetor and Hulk are the size they are for a reason.

Bigger barge = more space


I like the fact they will be more difficult targets now. Ganking is fun, but a bit too easy sometimes.

Just for the record, i have an industrial alt that regularly flies a Hulk, and I even do a little mining on this toon sometimes too. I'm actually curious about this buff since It will directly affect me.

I wonder how long it will be before we see QQ threads about lost ore - not knowing that an ore bay was even added to the hulk after rebalance.

except the procurer, which will still be as useless as ever.

mining lasers will put ore in the ore bay, not in cargo

mining lasers will put ore in the ore bay, not in cargo

Situational awareness? Multiple ships for multiple jobs? Madness!

Only the top tier of the hi sec grinders will comprehend that.

It's not that difficult to understand.

It's like 3 variants of 1 barge, each focusing one of the three main points: Cargo Space, Yield, Tank (EHP)

I wouldn't be surprised if they grouped all T1 barges together into one varient list.

CCP specifically stated the role of the hulk with these changes is meant to be in a large mining op setting with logistic and tactical support. Something liek a nullsec mining op.

CCP is really dumbing the game down these days.

Because mining is just such a thrilling and complicated profession.

I can understand the buffer to mining yield. But the Tank and Ore hold is baffling to me.

Why should a retriever, that is half the size (give or take) of a hulk have MORE tank and MORE Ore bay? Its smaller. The covetor and Hulk are the size they are for a reason.

If all barges are to be situational wouldn't it make sense that they are all T1?

It's not difficult for me to understand, but for your typical hi sec AFK while doing homework guy it will be

Just seems to me that this buff is going to take away the need to ever even purchase a Hulk. The high price on them wouldnt be worth the slightly higher yield. Especially since they will be easier to blow up than a retriever and they are like more than 10x the cost.,

Armor is rather small in size (mere millimeters in many cases today). Shield generators are also small in size.
This is evident by frigs having greater armor and shields than the barges.

It's not difficult for me to understand, but for your typical hi sec AFK while doing homework guy it will be

How do cargo expanders work in conjunction with ore bays?

Cargo mods and rigs only affect your main cargo hold.

They don't affect ore bays, maintenance bays, corp hangars, or drone bays.

Excellent, so they'll be useless on these new ships. I am trying not to drool over these new mining ship ideas; they sound fantastic.

Procurer and Skiff will be ideal for small operations in hostile environments where no Orca or protection is available.
Retriever and Mackinaw will be ideal for larger operations in hostile environments where an Orca and a bit of protection is available.
Covetor and Hulk will be ideal for large operations where several Orcas and a fleet of defending ships are ready to protect the fleet, and where yield is all that matters.

Maybe I missed it, but have they mentioned if the Skiff will still have its Mercoxit bonus, and the Mack its ice bonus?

except the procurer, which will still be as useless as ever.

I'm gonna fly a procurer to do my level 3 missions, and mine while my hobgoblin I kills everything.

Maybe I missed it, but have they mentioned if the Skiff will still have its Mercoxit bonus, and the Mack its ice bonus?

(Ignore the ass hat that posted first, I'm asking a genuine question here)


I can understand the buffer to mining yield. But the Tank and Ore hold is baffling to me.


Why should a retriever, that is half the size (give or take) of a hulk have MORE tank and MORE Ore bay? Its smaller. The covetor and Hulk are the size they are for a reason.

Bigger barge = more space


I like the fact they will be more difficult targets now. Ganking is fun, but a bit too easy sometimes.

Just for the record, i have an industrial alt that regularly flies a Hulk, and I even do a little mining on this toon sometimes too. I'm actually curious about this buff since It will directly affect me.

Excellent, so they'll be useless on these new ships. I am trying not to drool over these new mining ship ideas; they sound fantastic.

Yes, they'll be useless. Maybe 99% of highsec miners will use something different than cargo rigs now.

No, as baltec1 has pointed out before, the high-sec miner is an idiot and will use cargo expanders for their normal cargo bay in order to expand their ore bay slightly. This reduces the hull points of the ship which has the side effect of enabling easier ganks.

vOv

In the dev blog you speak about bringing up the yield of these ships to be "in line" with the Hulk. I'm assuming these would be new role bonuses considering the current high slot layout? Or are we talking additional high slots?

While I'm being a pain (every player's right) I was wondering if that frigate will have a higher yield than, say, a T1 cruiser loaded down with Miner IIs?

Also, since they plan to remove the T1 Cruiser bonuses for mining sometime in the future, I would hope to see a new mining "cruiser".

Why? Just use a Covetor/Ret/Proc. Mining Frigate IV -> Mining Barge IV -> Exhumer follows the progression every other race will.

Why? Just use a Covetor/Ret/Proc. Mining Frigate IV -> Mining Barge IV -> Exhumer follows the progression every other race will.

Would be nice to have more diversity in aligning times as well as cargo hold sizes. But, I'd like to see what they do with the updated barges first.

I thought Exhumers were specializations of Mining Barges, not a size step up. Hence the need for Mining Barge V.

Instantly thought of this

except the procurer, which will still be as useless as ever.

Excellent, so they'll be useless on these new ships. I am trying not to drool over these new mining ship ideas; they sound fantastic.

The best part will be where CCP turns the skills progression for ORE into this:

Mining Frigate IV -> Mining Cruiser IV -> Mining Barge V -> Exhumer

Imagine the tears when the Frigate and Cruiser skills unlock only a single ship apiece.

Sarcasm aside, fit some nanos instead of cargo expanders. CCP is making it much easier to do that with the barge revamp.

Because mining is just such a thrilling and complicated profession.

except the procurer, which will still be as useless as ever.