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Tevar Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.06.20 15:42:00 - [1] - Quote I'd really like to join a null sec corp and do roams and even mission with corp members however, I feel that I have no where near the ability to earn enough to replace battle cruisers or cruisers and if Im forced to replace frigates on my own I'd bottom out in a month or so. How do folks get to a point where you can begin a positive isk pvp lifestyle... or is that a total myth and is pvp the ultimate isk sink as I expect it to be. I've been working forever it seems and a day to get to level 4 missions but, the closer I get the more it seems like that may have been a newb filled pipe dream... and may never lead to a life of high adventure. I still do love the missions however, although it would be more fun with others if I could find that rare trustyium I've heard wild tale of and only seen once fleetingly in practice... Are there corporations that still provide tackle ships, income and advice to NEEEeeeewwwwbzzzz without requiring a 24/7 lifetime commitment (RL Dad and employee here). I do love Eve, I love the spirit of the game, the risk, the adventure, and this is my 3rd time attempting subscription but... I can't seem to figure out how to support learning the pvp ropes without bottoming out my pittiful isk tank. In the past I have had far flung adventures with some great folks in corps that eventually went belly up... but, Im not sure if the current political climate even allows for merryment and casual adventure anymore... Im also a bit scared of getting shanghi'd into some kind of slavery... my peoples have been known to get enslaved before and I'd like to avoid it if possible... I've been running my brain capacitor on overheat for some time now and still got nothing but an empty broken lightbulb and a wallet that grows by millions in a environment dominated by billions. anywho... hope someone gets this message in a pod and can give out some sage advice regarding how to become a good wingman in a profitable corp that values it's members and helps it's younglings... thx in advance.
Tolrok Qorte Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 0	Posted - 2012.06.20 15:55:00 - [2] - Quote If you're looking to join a 0.0 corp then all you honestly need is a ship that can rat out there, and you'll pull in plenty of money to fund your pvp ventures starting out. I highly recommend using smaller/cheaper ships when you're first beginning. T1 frigs and cruisers can be fit up quickly without breaking your wallet when they inevitably explode, and can be put to good use either solo or with a friendly gang. Exploration is also an option, if you enjoy that. As is mining out in 0.0, manufacturing, trading, having a mission alt to run those level 4s that, while you're correct are not that adventurous, do bring in decent money. Another option is Faction War, provides fun low-sec pvp in generally frigate-cruiser size hulls and the LP they bring in can be used as a very good source of isk. If the downsides of being shot at in enemy space are acceptable.
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 605	Posted - 2012.06.20 15:56:00 - [3] - Quote You generally join a corporation or an alliance which will replace the ships you lose for you. If you are at least somewhat active and have at least very basic knowledge of the game you shouldn't have problems getting into one. I haven't "made ISK" (as in, spent committed effort to increase my wallet, other than taking a random market opportunity when it presented itself on a silver plate) for the last two years.
darmwand Repo. 55	Posted - 2012.06.20 16:02:00 - [4] - Quote There are various ways to make money for a life of PvP but it all depends a little on the ships that you intend to lose. From what I hear there is good money doing PvE in Null but I don't really know anything about this. Aside from loot and ransoms, what works best for me is trading. If you spend a few minutes every day adjusting your market orders you can make pretty decent ISK, possibly enough to replace your BCs. And whatever you do, do not join the Caldari, they're evil. And not in a good way darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN
Tolrok Qorte Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 0	Posted - 2012.06.20 16:05:00 - [5] - Quote darmwand wrote: There are various ways to make money for a life of PvP but it all depends a little on the ships that you intend to lose. From what I hear there is good money doing PvE in Null but I don't really know anything about this. Aside from loot and ransoms, what works best for me is trading. If you spend a few minutes every day adjusting your market orders you can make pretty decent ISK, possibly enough to replace your BCs. And whatever you do, do not join the Caldari, they're evil. And not in a good way Agreed, trading can be an incredible income source. However, if you're like me, it'll frustrate you to no end. Just have to have the head for it. Also agreed, join Minmatar.
Tevar Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.06.20 16:10:00 - [6] - Quote Faction... yes this is one of my huge problems.. I originally started my main before FW's, and got Shanghi'd in a friendly fun and informative way to moving out to Caldari space with a null sec corp that eventually went belly up. Currently I have a 6.2 standing with the caldari navy and I've even... killed some gallienti npcs... not sure if I can even move home... without getting shot... and I actually plan to experiment witha Ren's run later in a stripped jump clone with a stripped rifter JIC... From what I've seen thou Jita pwnz Rens and I'd be seriously afraid of what would happen if all those mission drakes woke up one day and decided Mini's need to cease to exist... I seriously wonder what if anything a bunch of herpacanes could do if the evil ducks attack. I see those evil ducks up close every day... and missles aren't fair... It would be great thou to be among other mini's and learn the ways of our racial ships... cause as it is ... the only advice avialable to me is for drakes, ravens and other stuff I have no desire to fly.
Bronya Boga Casual Flyers 2	Posted - 2012.06.20 16:18:00 - [7] - Quote Im surprised no one mentioned incursions. They might not be popular but i run hq sites and they provide 31.5m evry half an hour or so, thats how i fund my addiction its not boring and all u need is a good tanky bs or a supertanky bc. (Shield preferably). ive seen drakes and hugnins getting into fleet. If u got questions pm me in game :)
Tevar Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.06.20 16:19:00 - [8] - Quote Bronya Boga wrote: Im surprised no one mentioned incursions. They might not be popular but i run hq sites and they provide 31.5m evry half an hour or so, thats how i fund my addiction its not boring and all u need is a good tanky bs or a supertanky bc. (Shield preferably). ive seen drakes and hugnins getting into fleet. If u got questions pm me in game :) That would be perfect but... no one is going to want an AC herpacane in an incursion. lol... let alone one I can't replace... well at least for an hour I wouldn't be able too.. lol...
Tolrok Qorte Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 0	Posted - 2012.06.20 16:22:00 - [9] - Quote Tevar wrote: Faction... yes this is one of my huge problems.. I originally started my main before FW's, and got Shanghi'd in a friendly fun and informative way to moving out to Caldari space with a null sec corp that eventually went belly up. Currently I have a 6.2 standing with the caldari navy and I've even... killed some gallienti npcs... not sure if I can even move home... without getting shot... and I actually plan to experiment witha Ren's run later in a stripped jump clone with a stripped rifter JIC... From what I've seen thou Jita pwnz Rens and I'd be seriously afraid of what would happen if all those mission drakes woke up one day and decided Mini's need to cease to exist... I seriously wonder what if anything a bunch of herpacanes could do if the evil ducks attack. I see those evil ducks up close every day... and missles aren't fair... It would be great thou to be among other mini's and learn the ways of our racial ships... cause as it is ... the only advice avialable to me is for drakes, ravens and other stuff I have no desire to fly. As for trading... Boring... wretch... also I don't delude myself into believing I as a noob could outwit the vets in Jita or Rens... I'd rather take my lumps from pirates whom I respect... at least my bloated corpse will feed someones pvp lifestyle. Minmatar is dominating FW at the moment actually. We've actually been having to roam into Caldari space just to find some plexes to run. And I highly doubt your standing is so low that you'll be shot by the NPCs around here, you can always run some missions and pick it up though.
Tevar Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.06.20 16:35:00 - [10] - Quote Tolrok Qorte wrote: Minmatar is dominating FW at the moment actually. We've actually been having to roam into Caldari space just to find some plexes to run. And I highly doubt your standing is so low that you'll be shot by the NPCs around here, you can always run some missions and pick it up though. Yes I've read that! How in gods name do you survive without access to Jita thou? Dodixe? Rens? Everytime I see someone talk about winmatar... Im baffled... then again the only pvp experience I have was orbiting at 500m doing 2200m/s and like 100 dps and praying my mates killed my target before the drones or missles ate me and usually... the drones ate me as I wasn't worth the missles... well actually back then I was flying faster than the explosion of the missles but I don't think they let you do that anymore...
darmwand Repo. 55	Posted - 2012.06.20 16:35:00 - [11] - Quote Tolrok Qorte wrote: [quote=Tevar] Minmatar is dominating FW at the moment actually. We've actually been having to roam into Caldari space just to find some plexes to run. And I highly doubt your standing is so low that you'll be shot by the NPCs around here, you can always run some missions and pick it up though. I think the Gallente guys could use some support... darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN
Tolrok Qorte Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 0	Posted - 2012.06.20 16:42:00 - [12] - Quote Tevar wrote: Yes I've read that! How in gods name do you survive without access to Jita thou? Dodixe? Rens? Everytime I see someone talk about winmatar... Im baffled... then again the only pvp experience I have was orbiting at 500m doing 2200m/s and like 100 dps and praying my mates killed my target before the drones or missles ate me and usually... the drones ate me as I wasn't worth the missles... well actually back then I was flying faster than the explosion of the missles but I don't think they let you do that anymore... Rens actually has everything we need, Hek is another local trade hub. To be perfectly honest, in the four years I've played eve, I've been to Jita exactly once. Can't stand the place. Minmatar have some solid pvp ships if you can fly them, just like any race.
Tevar Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.06.20 16:43:00 - [13] - Quote lol tackling is fun... so liberating to have an FC call your # and realize you no longer have to do isk calcs in your head anymore... you can just put on yer anime face and go for it.
darmwand Repo. 55	Posted - 2012.06.20 16:43:00 - [14] - Quote Tolrok Qorte wrote: Minmatar have some solid pvp ships if you can fly them, just like any race. Indeed. I love popping Drakes in my Cane. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN
Tevar Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.06.20 16:45:00 - [15] - Quote darmwand wrote: Tolrok Qorte wrote: Minmatar have some solid pvp ships if you can fly them, just like any race. Indeed. I love popping Drakes in my Cane. I'd kill to learn how to do that... litterally.
Lost Greybeard Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution 85	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:10:00 - [16] - Quote Tevar wrote: darmwand wrote: Tolrok Qorte wrote: Minmatar have some solid pvp ships if you can fly them, just like any race. Indeed. I love popping Drakes in my Cane. I'd kill to learn how to do that... litterally. I'd give you advice, but I don't really fly Minmatar. As an SB pilot, though, just find targets that are kinda dim and stay away from KBs so they can't assess your threat and ship from your e-peen and name alone and you'll do fine regardless of ship. If you can't manage to kill someone, just scamper off. Drakes are bloody slow so getting out of their point shouldn't be rocket science, at least one on one.
Tevar Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.06.20 17:50:00 - [17] - Quote Lost Greybeard wrote: If you can't manage to kill someone, just scamper off. Drakes are bloody slow so getting out of their point shouldn't be rocket science, at least one on one. Ya not really a how to kill something thread... all though I appreciate the advice... although once again rule 1 of eve at this point would solidly keep me from engaging a drake in my derpacane. Actually rule 1 of eve should be forcing me to mission in rifters but... while I can get away with it like a thief in the night... I will, and so far... fingers crossed... things have worked out... although I got freaking pointed in an L3 last night... what...!!!!!????? that was a bit over the top. More like a hey how do I start the long journey of learning pvp kind of thread... with a hint of... how do you ever afford to fly BC's into Pvp kind of jist, cause... I broke... I got one cane... and bearly enough to buy another cane hull... then Im belly up... and selling plex, cause the whole mission up to 60 mil in a rifter thing sounds good on paper... but... yea... no ... not again... not in this insanely inflated market... no sir. also... they POINT IN L3s NOW... /swoon...
Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 246	Posted - 2012.06.20 18:21:00 - [18] - Quote I jump clone to hi-sec for few days a week to do incursions, then jump back to 0.0 to pvp. Only thing that sucks is I have to time my jumps very well so I don't miss out on either adventure. I also miss out on the random spur of the minute roam though Wish I had the isk to buy a good toon then I could just log/relog On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á
Tevar Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.06.20 19:00:00 - [19] - Quote Lyron-Baktos wrote: I jump clone to hi-sec for few days a week to do incursions, then jump back to 0.0 to pvp. Only thing that sucks is I have to time my jumps very well so I don't miss out on either adventure. I also miss out on the random spur of the minute roam though Wish I had the isk to buy a good toon then I could just log/relog I could spend a week or so getting into Drakes... for incursions... but that's alot of training and then do they even really take drakes into that? Incursions sound like fun cause it's a group activity and I love the PVE also... but... 1) A newb drake will get taken? 2) Folks won't just pod you for crappy drake loot or lulz?
Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 246	Posted - 2012.06.20 19:14:00 - [20] - Quote Tevar wrote: Lyron-Baktos wrote: I jump clone to hi-sec for few days a week to do incursions, then jump back to 0.0 to pvp. Only thing that sucks is I have to time my jumps very well so I don't miss out on either adventure. I also miss out on the random spur of the minute roam though Wish I had the isk to buy a good toon then I could just log/relog I could spend a week or so getting into Drakes... for incursions... but that's alot of training and then do they even really take drakes into that? Incursions sound like fun cause it's a group activity and I love the PVE also... but... 1) A newb drake will get taken? 2) Folks won't just pod you for crappy drake loot or lulz? I got into a few incursions with my Harbinger but that was mainly due to a FC that was very friendly to noobs. The quickest way into incursions is with a cheap battleship. It's worth it though. Good way to make isk and the best thing about it, it's liquid isk. no salvaging, no looting of wrecks and then selling mods. Run some sites for a couple of hours and then have an extra 100M isk in your wallet when you are done. You also get LP that you can use as well. I've never seen anyone get blown up by griefers but apparently it has happened. On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á
Lilliana Stelles Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes 36	Posted - 2012.06.20 19:38:00 - [21] - Quote I'd suggest looking outside of combat to fund your PVP ventures. If you're in a nullsec corp, then there's not just ratting: There's also PI. Many corps will buy fuel from you to keep the towers running. This is funded, of course, by the corps taxes, so you end up getting a little bit of everyone's money from the corp going into your wallet. Personally, I have a freighter alt that I can afk autopilot to make money while PVPing. Also, while they have been nerfed, datacores still provide some degree of passive income. Having research project management 4 on all your characters makes things much simpler, and if you're not losing ships everyday it may be all you need.
Tevar Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.06.20 19:52:00 - [22] - Quote I guess I just hit this stage where... Im in L3's, and I see no way out. L3's make about say 4 mill a mission, although honestly now that the rats are freaking pointing me, there is a chance I could pop my hurricane. So it's 4 mill a mission for risking an @70 mil boat with a 50 mil isk tank to back up the operation currently. Im not saying Im doing city scape parkur or scamming goons or anything but... it's still not safe boating, and while that's ok... it's one hell of a way to try and grind out of the hi-sec gehtto... so there's trade but, honestly whats the chance of that working out... with no real introduction to scams, market pvp or smart trading... a job, and kids... errr... could possibly be more dangerous isk wise than missions... there's incursions but really... no not really... entry price would be more than my net worth... although it sounds like a blast... no one is taking a hurricane into an incursion ... well unless it was pity/mercy/charity... I guess this leaves 2 real options. 1) Throw myself at the mercy of a good corp, and pray it's a "good" corp. 2) Continue L3's till I can afford and run a BS in L4's and then reassess.. Im leaning towards 1... but I'd greatly appreciate any other options and would like to thank everyone for what Im sure is a helpfull thread not only to myself... but others... I hope...
Morwen Lagann Tyrathlion Interstellar 286	Posted - 2012.06.20 19:53:00 - [23] - Quote When I was pirating in lowsec, my primary source of income aside from ransoms and loot sales was exploration. A couple good drops from 4/10s, escalations and radar sites each week and I'd generally be all set. Sadly, ransoms and loot sales became a smaller and smaller portion of my income as time went on - the number of people willing to pay ransoms declined rather heavily in the two years I spent pirating, and it's unfortunate. Loot sales tended to be hit or miss. Fly in a large gang and you'd barely make enough for your ammo most nights. Fly solo or in small groups of under 5 and you could hit serious paydirt if you got lucky. Exploration was generally a much more reliable source of income. Also had an alt that could do L4s, PI or mining stuff, but I prefer to keep my characters' wallets separate in most circumstances, so it typically was not a contributing factor.
Lilliana Stelles Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes 36	Posted - 2012.06.20 19:59:00 - [24] - Quote Tevar wrote: I guess I just hit this stage where... Im in L3's, and I see no way out. L3's make about say 4 mill a mission, although honestly now that the rats are freaking pointing me, there is a chance I could pop my hurricane. So it's 4 mill a mission for risking an @70 mil boat with a 50 mil isk tank to back up the operation currently. Im not saying Im doing city scape parkur or scamming goons or anything but... it's still not safe boating, and while that's ok... it's one hell of a way to try and grind out of the hi-sec gehtto... so there's trade but, honestly whats the chance of that working out... with no real introduction to scams, market pvp or smart trading... a job, and kids... errr... could possibly be more dangerous isk wise than missions... there's incursions but really... no not really... entry price would be more than my net worth... although it sounds like a blast... no one is taking a hurricane into an incursion ... well unless it was pity/mercy/charity... I guess this leaves 2 real options. 1) Throw myself at the mercy of a good corp, and pray it's a "good" corp. 2) Continue L3's till I can afford and run a BS in L4's and then reassess.. Im leaning towards 1... but I'd greatly appreciate any other options and would like to thank everyone for what Im sure is a helpfull thread not only to myself... but others... I hope... Are you looting and salvaging your missions? Some of missions against specific navys will drop tags that can be worth quite a bit. The average level 4 mission pays less than 10 mil in bounties... But specific missions, such as Enemies Abound, will drop 40+mil in tags, making it much more worth the risk and time. Not all missions are created equal.
Tevar Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.06.20 20:16:00 - [25] - Quote Lilliana Stelles wrote: Are you looting and salvaging your missions? Some of missions against specific navys will drop tags that can be worth quite a bit. The average level 4 mission pays less than 10 mil in bounties... But specific missions, such as Enemies Abound, will drop 40+mil in tags, making it much more worth the risk and time. Not all missions are created equal. Im in L3's... I have access to (L4's) but can currently only fly a hurricane which is 50% of my net worth. So Im pulling about 4 mill average a mission with bounties, salvage, loot, and LP sales... 10 mil is very rare for a L3 but I've got close before. 4 years ago... when I first started my main... I could run L4's with my hands behind my back... sure blockade got spicy but... I usually just skipped it. Given I've come out of some L3's in structure recently and been pointed... Im really not so game to try out L4's untill I got another boat space worthy... Honestly, I was grinding quietly back to L4's till I got pointed in a L3... at which point I realized there's the off chance these dumb npc bastages could pop my boat. It was there and then... I knew it was time to take it to the forums, cause... I really can't afford to lose my L3 boat to NPC's... /facepalm What a way to end your eve career... One thing you get suicide ganked or something... whole different kind of skulling off to /unsub if a Gurista pops u're last boat. Is it mandatory to have rigs and subsystems now a days? That's all greek to me... so I've ignored it... maybe that's my problem. I thought that stuff was optional... tweeking kind of stuff... maybe Im wrong and it makes all the difference in missions... /shrug I run an AC boat which I've heard is harder in missions... so Im training artie up... although I hate artie... I will try it... cause if it's safer then maybe I can try L4's again... although the mantra seems to be not to ever... ever... enter an L4 in anything but a Drake or a Raven... which is pretty damn depressing... and just scarry enough to keep me at bay untill I at least have enough to replace my current ship twice... Also ... maybe Im just paranoid but, if someone does come to finish me off in a mission in some way I haven't figured out yet... I feel alot more comfortable with AC and 10 seconds till barage... fitting artie is going to feel like missioning in my salvage boat, defenseless.. I guess if someone decides my ticket is up it won't matter anyway... do the tutorials hand out a billion isk or something... maybe since I never had those... back when I started that's what went wrong..
Morwen Lagann Tyrathlion Interstellar 286	Posted - 2012.06.20 20:27:00 - [26] - Quote In case people haven't linked it already, you will probably get a lot of use out of Mission Reports, which lists mission triggers and useful bits of information about the rats you're up against, including which ones web and scram. A couple other questions came to mind. What's your fit like? Are you shield or armor-tanking in your Hurricane? (If you're shield-tanking you might consider using a Cyclone, which has a bonus to the effectiveness of shield boosters.)
Tevar Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.06.20 20:34:00 - [27] - Quote Morwen Lagann wrote: In case people haven't linked it already, you will probably get a lot of use out of Mission Reports, which lists mission triggers and useful bits of information about the rats you're up against, including which ones web and scram. A couple other questions came to mind. What's your fit like? Are you shield or armor-tanking in your Hurricane? (If you're shield-tanking you might consider using a Cyclone, which has a bonus to the effectiveness of shield boosters.) Out of desperation... I've given out more info on a public eve forum than I feel comfortable with even thou I've used an alt to discuss this stuff... and added some misinformation as an attempt at some kind of security... Im sure I'd be easy to pop for funzies to anyone with some probes and spare isk... for lulz... please don't be offended I am however... in a precarious position and attempting as hard as I can... to avoid /unsub or plex sales. However... dysotopia is dysotopian... and I feel fairly dysotopied... lol... so thanks for any advice... :D
Phoenix Bibbs First Flying Wing Inc Soldiers Of New Eve 11	Posted - 2012.06.20 20:42:00 - [28] - Quote I'm almost 5 months in at this point and I have setup a few different income streams with an alt. I have one character that just PVP's and the other makes the money so I can PVP. My alt does PI, market trading (I buy things in Jita and bring it out and sell it where I live in null), I also have a blockade runner that I rent out and deliver things for guys in my corp to Jita and back and that makes me a little money. I also have a few investments with players who I trust who are making me 5 - 10% a week on my investment. I also mine ice and rat when there is nothing else to do which helps make a little money as well. I have slowly gone from paying for my accounts and ships/fittings with sellings plexs to just paying for my subscription with plexs and funding my in-game activities with money made in game and saving up a decent amount (I'm about to break my first billion in profit). My next step in this process will be funding both my monthly subscription and in-game activities with money made in game. I'm anticipating that I will be at that point within a month or two. Just figure out a few income streams and you'll be banking ISK in no time.
Morwen Lagann Tyrathlion Interstellar 286	Posted - 2012.06.20 20:43:00 - [29] - Quote Tevar wrote: Morwen Lagann wrote: In case people haven't linked it already, you will probably get a lot of use out of Mission Reports, which lists mission triggers and useful bits of information about the rats you're up against, including which ones web and scram. A couple other questions came to mind. What's your fit like? Are you shield or armor-tanking in your Hurricane? (If you're shield-tanking you might consider using a Cyclone, which has a bonus to the effectiveness of shield boosters.) Out of desperation... I've given out more info on a public eve forum than I feel comfortable with even thou I've used an alt to discuss this stuff... and added some misinformation as an attempt at some kind of security... Im sure I'd be easy to pop for funzies to anyone with some probes and spare isk... for lulz... please don't be offended I am however... in a precarious position and attempting as hard as I can... to avoid /unsub or plex sales. However... dysotopia is dysotopian... and I feel fairly dysotopied... lol... so thanks for any advice... :D It's okay, I understand the paranoia. Just things for you to think about.
Zoe Athame Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 83	Posted - 2012.06.20 23:26:00 - [30] - Quote Don't know if this applies to you or not, but many new players here about PLEX and make it their goal to play an MMO for "free." DO NOT do this if you are new. Just pay the subscription and you'll have much more ISK to burn.

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