There are various ways to make money for a life of PvP but it all depends a little on the ships that you intend to lose. From what I hear there is good money doing PvE in Null but I don't really know anything about this. Aside from loot and ransoms, what works best for me is trading. If you spend a few minutes every day adjusting your market orders you can make pretty decent ISK, possibly enough to replace your BCs.

And whatever you do, do not join the Caldari, they're evil. And not in a good way

Im surprised no one mentioned incursions. They might not be popular but i run hq sites and they provide 31.5m evry half an hour or so, thats how i fund my addiction its not boring and all u need is a good tanky bs or a supertanky bc. (Shield preferably).
ive seen drakes and hugnins getting into fleet. If u got questions pm me in game :)

Faction...

yes this is one of my huge problems.. I originally started my main before FW's, and got Shanghi'd in a friendly fun and informative way to moving out to Caldari space with a null sec corp that eventually went belly up.

Currently I have a 6.2 standing with the caldari navy and I've even... killed some gallienti npcs... not sure if I can even move home... without getting shot... and I actually plan to experiment witha Ren's run later in a stripped jump clone with a stripped rifter JIC...

From what I've seen thou Jita pwnz Rens and I'd be seriously afraid of what would happen if all those mission drakes woke up one day and decided Mini's need to cease to exist... I seriously wonder what if anything a bunch of herpacanes could do if the evil ducks attack. I see those evil ducks up close every day... and missles aren't fair...

It would be great thou to be among other mini's and learn the ways of our racial ships... cause as it is ... the only advice avialable to me is for drakes, ravens and other stuff I have no desire to fly.

As for trading... Boring... wretch... also I don't delude myself into believing I as a noob could outwit the vets in Jita or Rens...

I'd rather take my lumps from pirates whom I respect... at least my bloated corpse will feed someones pvp lifestyle.

Minmatar is dominating FW at the moment actually. We've actually been having to roam into Caldari space just to find some plexes to run. And I highly doubt your standing is so low that you'll be shot by the NPCs around here, you can always run some missions and pick it up though.

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Minmatar is dominating FW at the moment actually. We've actually been having to roam into Caldari space just to find some plexes to run. And I highly doubt your standing is so low that you'll be shot by the NPCs around here, you can always run some missions and pick it up though.

Yes I've read that!

How in gods name do you survive without access to Jita thou? Dodixe? Rens?

Everytime I see someone talk about winmatar... Im baffled... then again the only pvp experience I have was orbiting at 500m doing 2200m/s and like 100 dps and praying my mates killed my target before the drones or missles ate me and usually... the drones ate me as I wasn't worth the missles... well actually back then I was flying faster than the explosion of the missles but I don't think they let you do that anymore...

Minmatar have some solid pvp ships if you can fly them, just like any race.

Indeed. I love popping Drakes in my Cane.

I'd kill to learn how to do that... litterally.

If you can't manage to kill someone, just scamper off. Drakes are bloody slow so getting out of their point shouldn't be rocket science, at least one on one.

I jump clone to hi-sec for few days a week to do incursions, then jump back to 0.0 to pvp. Only thing that sucks is I have to time my jumps very well so I don't miss out on either adventure. I also miss out on the random spur of the minute roam though

Wish I had the isk to buy a good toon then I could just log/relog

I could spend a week or so getting into Drakes... for incursions... but that's alot of training and then do they even really take drakes into that?

Incursions sound like fun cause it's a group activity and I love the PVE also... but...

1) A newb drake will get taken?
2) Folks won't just pod you for crappy drake loot or lulz?

I guess I just hit this stage where... Im in L3's, and I see no way out. L3's make about say 4 mill a mission, although honestly now that the rats are freaking pointing me, there is a chance I could pop my hurricane. So it's 4 mill a mission for risking an @70 mil boat with a 50 mil isk tank to back up the operation currently. Im not saying Im doing city scape parkur or scamming goons or anything but... it's still not safe boating, and while that's ok... it's one hell of a way to try and grind out of the hi-sec gehtto...

so there's trade but, honestly whats the chance of that working out... with no real introduction to scams, market pvp or smart trading... a job, and kids... errr... could possibly be more dangerous isk wise than missions...

there's incursions but really... no not really... entry price would be more than my net worth... although it sounds like a blast... no one is taking a hurricane into an incursion ... well unless it was pity/mercy/charity...

I guess this leaves 2 real options.

1) Throw myself at the mercy of a good corp, and pray it's a "good" corp.
2) Continue L3's till I can afford and run a BS in L4's and then reassess..

Im leaning towards 1... but I'd greatly appreciate any other options and would like to thank everyone for what Im sure is a helpfull thread not only to myself... but others... I hope...

Are you looting and salvaging your missions? Some of missions against specific navys will drop tags that can be worth quite a bit. The average level 4 mission pays less than 10 mil in bounties... But specific missions, such as Enemies Abound, will drop 40+mil in tags, making it much more worth the risk and time. Not all missions are created equal.

In case people haven't linked it already, you will probably get a lot of use out of Mission Reports, which lists mission triggers and useful bits of information about the rats you're up against, including which ones web and scram.

A couple other questions came to mind. What's your fit like? Are you shield or armor-tanking in your Hurricane? (If you're shield-tanking you might consider using a Cyclone, which has a bonus to the effectiveness of shield boosters.)

Out of desperation... I've given out more info on a public eve forum than I feel comfortable with even thou I've used an alt to discuss this stuff... and added some misinformation as an attempt at some kind of security... Im sure I'd be easy to pop for funzies to anyone with some probes and spare isk... for lulz...

please don't be offended I am however... in a precarious position and attempting as hard as I can... to avoid /unsub or plex sales.

However... dysotopia is dysotopian... and I feel fairly dysotopied... lol...

so thanks for any advice... :D

I'd really like to join a null sec corp and do roams and even mission with corp members however, I feel that I have no where near the ability to earn enough to replace battle cruisers or cruisers and if Im forced to replace frigates on my own I'd bottom out in a month or so.

How do folks get to a point where you can begin a positive isk pvp lifestyle... or is that a total myth and is pvp the ultimate isk sink as I expect it to be.

I've been working forever it seems and a day to get to level 4 missions (which I have the agents for but not the BS) but, the closer I get the more it seems like that may have been a newb filled pipe dream... and may never lead to a life of high adventure. I still do love the missions however, although it would be more fun with others if I could find that rare trustyium I've heard wild tale of and only seen once fleetingly in practice...

Are there corporations that still provide tackle ships, income and advice to NEEEeeeewwwwbzzzz without requiring a 24/7 lifetime commitment (RL Dad and employee here).

I do love Eve, I love the spirit of the game, the risk, the adventure, and this is my 3rd time attempting subscription but... I can't seem to figure out how to support learning the pvp ropes without bottoming out my pittiful isk tank.

In the past I have had far flung adventures with some great folks in corps that eventually went belly up... but, Im not sure if the current political climate even allows for merryment and casual adventure anymore... Im also a bit scared of getting shanghi'd into some kind of slavery... my peoples have been known to get enslaved before and I'd like to avoid it if possible...

I've been running my brain capacitor on overheat for some time now and still got nothing but an empty broken lightbulb and a wallet that grows by millions in a environment dominated by billions.

anywho... hope someone gets this message in a pod and can give out some sage advice regarding how to become a good wingman in a profitable corp that values it's members and helps it's younglings...


Here are some of my dumb ideas:

1) Take easlly replaceable frigate into losec and try to find anything in losec that will provide more profit than L3's given constant risk of piracy. (cause 4 mill sp... Im not really gonna kill anything, just gonna try to run and blacken the eyes of my murders hopefully)

2) Do my best to find a good corp home pack up and move out to null sec wistling and praying I don't get bankrupted.

3) Continue to skill up to BS and hope a miricle drops a few hundred million isk in my bank so I can do some L4's.

4) Train for exploration and then... umnn... yea!

5) Betray my birth empire and join the caldary faction wars...

6) Betray Jita and join my empires faction wars...

7) Resubscribe to Darkfall (much easier on the brain same risk fun / elves and junk make me physically sick to the stomach but o well)

thx in advance.

Combat PvP is a strongly negative sum activity.

However if you already get mad about a frig pointing you in a mission I have a hard time imagining you are going to like pvp.

Sounds to me like something you should seriously consider is salvaging, in one way, shape, or form.

You could stay in high sec and spend some solid time doing nothing but salvaging, and squirrel the cash away. Then you can use that ISK to purchase a L4 boat, or an incursion boat, whichever you choose. Now, keep in mind, you are NOT going to make great ISK ninja salvaging, or begging missioners for leftovers. I'm not going to turn this into a recruiting thread, but if you join the channel "free wrecks", there are some friendly people there who can lead you in the right direction. When I returned to the game after a long break, I joined a strictly salvaging corp, and I had steady work every time I logged on. How much I made was up to me, but I can tell you, my best week I made just short of 1 billion ISK. Yes, that's right, 1 billion. I had to work my butt off that week, but it can be done, with very very very little risk.

You could also find a nullsec corp that either owns or rents space. Running anomolies is a very common way nullsec pilots make ISK, and a good share of them don't bother to salvage. I have a corpmate who has made 1b ISK so far this week, just salvaging anomolies that corpmates run. And when those corpmates run off to pvp, you'll have plenty of ISK to fund a tackle ship to run with them while you build your fortune.

Either way you decide to go, you'll make the most of your salvaging time in a Noctis, with T2 salvagers and tractors. This is NOT necessary to start with, you can salvage in about any ship, but I would DEFINITELY advise training for T2 salvagers and tractors and a noctis as soon as you can afford it, as it will increase your effectiveness dramatically.



TL;DR -

Start training for Noctis, T2 salvagers, and T2 tractors, and get yourself a reliable steady source of wrecks to salvage. You will never be hurting for ISK once you do.

If you like exploring, a frontier feeling and some serious pew.

Find a WH corp.

When I was pirating in lowsec, my primary source of income aside from ransoms and loot sales was exploration. A couple good drops from 4/10s, escalations and radar sites each week and I'd generally be all set.

Sadly, ransoms and loot sales became a smaller and smaller portion of my income as time went on - the number of people willing to pay ransoms declined rather heavily in the two years I spent pirating, and it's unfortunate. Loot sales tended to be hit or miss. Fly in a large gang and you'd barely make enough for your ammo most nights. Fly solo or in small groups of under 5 and you could hit serious paydirt if you got lucky. Exploration was generally a much more reliable source of income.

Also had an alt that could do L4s, PI or mining stuff, but I prefer to keep my characters' wallets separate in most circumstances, so it typically was not a contributing factor.

Yeah, the salvaging is a wonderful way to make money. Easily pays for t1 frigs with little effort.

Wormholes are a good source of ISK and PvP if you are in a good corp that knows its stuff. Of course if you are on all alone you will probably just end up as one of those damned AFK pilots I see in POS shields all the time.

It's like looking in a closed sweet shop window......................