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d3vo
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Posted - 2009.12.23 16:08:00 -
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I'm looking to do some solo pvp with an AF. Which would be the best one? I was thinking the Ishkur...got any suggestions. This will probably be for low sec solo roaming kind of stuff... __________ \(^.^)/ |

Samaritan Azuma
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.12.23 16:11:00 -
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ishkur and thats it
for popping pods at stations ... 150mm harpy w/ scan res rigs and antimatter
If it weren't for downtime, I wouldn't make stupid posts. |

Zaius Caine
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Posted - 2009.12.23 16:20:00 -
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Ishkur or Jaguar. Both are powerful and versatile ships.
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.23 17:48:00 -
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Its between the ishkur and jaguar tbh!
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Arrador
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:28:00 -
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Retribution 
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Zaius Caine
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Arrador Retribution 
Hmmm. Lets see.
Retri sucks for solo since it cant tackle. Retri sucks for gang since it cant tackle.
Yep, Retri sucks.
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Kirzath
Darkrime Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.23 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zaius Caine
Originally by: Arrador Retribution 
Hmmm. Lets see.
Retri sucks for solo since it cant tackle. Retri sucks for gang since it cant tackle.
Yep, Retri sucks.
You just got trolled, bro.
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d3vo
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Posted - 2009.12.24 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: d3vo on 24/12/2009 00:49:31 How is this for a setup?
[Ishkur, Solo] Small Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Energy Neutralizer II
Hobgoblin II x5
Unfortunately, the cap stability on this is not very good.  __________ \(^.^)/ |

Ammy Azimuth
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Posted - 2009.12.24 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: d3vo Edited by: d3vo on 24/12/2009 00:49:31 How is this for a setup?
[Ishkur, Solo] Small Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Energy Neutralizer II
Hobgoblin II x5
Unfortunately, the cap stability on this is not very good. 
Swap the explosive hardener to a damage control at least. You almost always need some form of damage control on frigates and almost all ships for pvp.
And you can try to do neutrons instead of ions but you might lose the neut. I just think a neut and a small repper hurts your cap really bad. So maybe passive in the lows without a repper and add a neut or jsut drop the neut and keep the repper and upgrade to neutrons loaded with nulls.
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.24 01:01:00 -
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D3vo i fought this setup most recently i think its not as well rounded as the repper version, but it didnt die quickly against my rupture. I was neuting it thinking it would just drop but it took forever. I prolly should have kited it, but if it was the active tank version you should always go close enough to neut it. Without cap these active repper assault frigs drop quick!
[Ishkur, ishkur] 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II
1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Warrior II x5
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Faerana
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Posted - 2009.12.24 01:38:00 -
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I know it's not an AF but it damn near is one, and I think it should get a mention here.
[Taranis, T2 + Implants] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II
Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters
Light Ion Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot]
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Hobgoblin II x2
And buy some implants to go with it, depending on what you want to spend:
ZGS (damage), ZGC (falloff) and CX- (damage)
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Arch Widowmaker
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Posted - 2009.12.24 01:40:00 -
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I think it's a mistake to use neut on a repper fit without a cap booster. I'd use a nos instead. Proxyyy's fit would be nice against frigs. If I'm hunting cruisers, I usually trade my web for a cap injector.
Hey prox!
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.12.24 04:14:00 -
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Properly fitted Harpy. Always.
If you have to engage at 13k or less, you will get trapped eventually. If you rely on drones they will die often, forcing you to resupply (and cost to do so).
Harpy does not worry about either of those things. It can outfight MOST things faster than it and run from MOST things that can outfight it. Nothing it perfect obviously, but I feel a lot safer in a Harpy than in another AF. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |

Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2009.12.24 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price Properly fitted Harpy. Always.
Mind sharing a fit?
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |

Tornado Bait
Minmatar 737 Incorporated Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.12.24 06:27:00 -
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I like the Wolf
4 200 tech 2 autocannons 1 nos
1 afterburner 1 scram
dc2 anp II small armor rep gyrostab
dmg rigs or rig to taste
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.12.24 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Stuart Price Properly fitted Harpy. Always.
Mind sharing a fit?
-Liang
Oh shush, you know the fit :p
Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |

Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.24 07:25:00 -
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Put a neut on that ishkur and you're golden.
Other than that, the jag can bring the ewar and have some space left for a tank.
Gogo turret disrupting MWD'ing frigate. ----------------- Friends Forever |

Sovereign Enterprise
Gallente Crimson Empire. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.12.24 08:04:00 -
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A neut on an active tanked ishkur is just asking for death, it can't speed tank anything because it's so damn slow.
[Ishkur, pvp] Damage Control II Small Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II
1MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot]
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hobgoblin II x4 Warrior II x5
I've used that often, and it's performed admirably. It only has problems with AB dual MSE jags, because they have stupid buffer, and can move faster than you unless you spam the MWD, killing your cap and your sig radius. A corpmate and I flying two ishkurs fit like this beat a curse once, since the cap injector still lets you rep.
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Dursun Idris
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Posted - 2009.12.24 10:38:00 -
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I like jaguar for solo roam as AF. Enough slots to fit buffer point web and nano-gyro. And solo rule 1 for me is "run away before **** happens". If you are a lone wolf, you hunt rabbits instead of deers and run away when lions came. Just my opinion.
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Emperor Ryan
Amarr Imperial Syndicate Forces Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.12.24 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor Ryan on 24/12/2009 10:48:19
Originally by: Zaius Caine
Originally by: Arrador Retribution 
Hmmm. Lets see.
Retri sucks for solo since it cant tackle. Retri sucks for gang since it cant tackle.
Yep, Retri sucks.
You're an Idiot
retribution is the best gang Af for the soul reason that it kicks out 200 dps + at over 20km of range with t2 ammo. It cannot tackle, that's true, but to be a gang ship you do not need tackle. (Do sniper parts of fleet carry tackle/ no, does that mean they suck, No) should have thought about that. For solo the retribution can only bait and hope to be tackled and kill of the tackler before they warp so they are not built for solo work. - Emperor
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Intigo
Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.24 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Intigo on 24/12/2009 11:27:44
Originally by: Emperor Ryan Edited by: Emperor Ryan on 24/12/2009 10:48:19
Originally by: Zaius Caine
Originally by: Arrador Retribution 
Hmmm. Lets see.
Retri sucks for solo since it cant tackle. Retri sucks for gang since it cant tackle.
Yep, Retri sucks.
You're an Idiot
retribution is the best gang Af for the soul reason that it kicks out 200 dps + at over 20km of range with t2 ammo. It cannot tackle, that's true, but to be a gang ship you do not need tackle. (Do sniper parts of fleet carry tackle/ no, does that mean they suck, No) should have thought about that. For solo the retribution can only bait and hope to be tackled and kill of the tackler before they warp so they are not built for solo work.
"Best AF for solo"
And flying a frigate-sized ship in a gang that can't tackle is just laughable. Unless you're in an AF swarm for "lulz" you are flying the wrong ship.
Also, best solo AF is the dual prop Ishkur. Hands down.
Edit:
[Ishkur, BEST SOLO AF IN EVE] Damage Control II Small Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I
Warrior II x5 ___________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it. |

Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.12.24 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Ryan but to be a gang ship you do not need tackle.
No. If you dont fit tackle to af, YOU are responsible for your target escaping and you are nothing more than a km *****.
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.24 17:14:00 -
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Emperor Ryan seems to have a good understanding of how the retribution works. ill add that it can solo and if you have a good understanding of the coecer then you'll know how to fly and fit the retribution. It should do real well at solo'ing blobs tbh! Warp in at 100k. align ceptor rushes you and you pop him in 1-3 vollies depending on how its fit of course. Shoot i have solo'ed blobs in ships not optimum for the job but this should excel at it.
Like many things said on the forums they have never used the ship they comment on but have alot of opinions on how to fly and fit them! Im fairly sure if you bring this ship to null sec and warp in at 100k of a blob they will just laugh and charge in. Why is that? cause of lack of understanding of the ships they are engaging. Its less likely to work in low sec and fw where these ships are used the most!
Also i suggest that anyone if they are intrested, fit up a coecer and ask a friend to fit up a standard ishkur. You will then figure out how dangerous these ships are and how much damage they can put down in a short about of time. This ship should be used at range and kiting bursting your mwd off and on, same with the retribution.
So the retribution is a t2 version of the coecer; 180/dps with scorch 20k optimal 2300m/sec
Retribution Adaptive Nano Plating II Small Armor Repairer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Heat Sink II
1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S [empty high slot]
Small Energy Burst Aerator I Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
This is the coecer! If you wanna see solo Coecer/Retribution stats check PIE Inc.
[Retribution, Retribution] Adaptive Nano Plating II Small Armor Repairer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Heat Sink II
1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S [empty high slot]
Small Energy Burst Aerator I Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
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Intigo
Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.24 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Intigo on 24/12/2009 17:25:17
Originally by: Proxyyyy Shoot i have solo'ed blobs in ships not optimum for the job but this should excel at it.
Hahahaha. 
You must be trolling now.
Stop posting.
Edit: Good job posting the same fit twice, btw. ___________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it. |

Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.24 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Proxyyyy on 24/12/2009 18:08:37
Originally by: Intigo Edited by: Intigo on 24/12/2009 17:25:17
Originally by: Proxyyyy Shoot i have solo'ed blobs in ships not optimum for the job but this should excel at it.
Hahahaha. 
You must be trolling now.
Stop posting.
Edit: Good job posting the same fit twice, btw.
Thnks for pointing that out btw! i wont respond to you in the future so this is it: Heh! The only joker here is you! No need to even respond to someone lacking in ability but has alot of talk. But in the end the ish talkers will be found out i suppose...
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Kingwood
Amarr Hello Kitty Pyjama Piwates
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Posted - 2009.12.24 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kingwood on 24/12/2009 19:27:19 Everyone who praises the Retri must be trolling or new in Eve.
You either fit a Scrambler, and then get killed by any T1 Cruiser who wants to shoot you (gee, you can't run).
Or you fit an AB and anything you could kill either runs from you or just laughs at your non-existing tackle and warps out (stupid Inty pilots bum-rushing a Retri don't count). T1 cruisers with MWD will still catch and kill you at will.
Or you actually fit an MWD and try to be useful as some sort of mobile 180DPS platform, when you could just as well sit in an Omen and apply DPS just as well, just as fast, and with more DPS (it also has 3 mids, so you can actually tackle).
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d3vo
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Posted - 2009.12.24 20:03:00 -
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Back to the Ishkur...how is this?
[Ishkur, Solo] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II
1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
I feel the Explosive Hardener is really important because of how popular Warriors and cheap Minmatar ships are... Without it, 23.5% resists is very low in my opinion. __________ \(^.^)/ |

Intigo
Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.25 01:05:00 -
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Proxyyyy, you are amazing. 
Originally by: d3vo Back to the Ishkur...how is this?
[Ishkur, Solo] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II
1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
I feel the Explosive Hardener is really important because of how popular Warriors and cheap Minmatar ships are... Without it, 23.5% resists is very low in my opinion.
Dead in the first gatecamp in 0.0. Flying without a MWD is silly, the AB buff has not gone through yet. Dual propulsion makes way more sense. ___________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it. |

Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.25 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Intigo Proxyyyy, you are amazing. 
Originally by: d3vo Back to the Ishkur...how is this?
[Ishkur, Solo] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II
1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
I feel the Explosive Hardener is really important because of how popular Warriors and cheap Minmatar ships are... Without it, 23.5% resists is very low in my opinion.
Dead in the first gatecamp in 0.0. Flying without a MWD is silly, the AB buff has not gone through yet. Dual propulsion makes way more sense.
I guess you were talking to a genos about me cause they were the only one's there at the time of that fail... Anyways i have done fine in null sec with ab's or mwd's also get off my nuts i dont know you... D3vo That fit seems fine bro!
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Smabs
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Posted - 2009.12.25 04:31:00 -
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Back on the coercer and retri - the thing about them is that the dps is huge and the extremely high tracking lets the guns apply pretty much all of the damage you see on eft. I've seen a friend using a coercer like that and it often kills a ceptor in just two or three volleys, often before it gets time to warpout (unless the pilot is really on the ball). Yes, you get people escaping but generally the idea is to make it completely into a glass cannon.
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Diabolick
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Posted - 2009.12.25 05:17:00 -
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Ishkur fit
3 x Small Ion blaster II's, small nos II AB, scram, Coreli c type rep, Energized Explo membrane, Suitcase. 2 ANP 5 warrior t2 5 hobs t2
The 3rd mid is a utility mid for me, solo i use cap booster, gang a web and a sebo for camping empire wt's.
Faction rep is 10mil~ so doesnt break the bank and puts back over 110 armour per cycle.
Warriors for frigs, Hobs for bigger.
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Arch Widowmaker
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Posted - 2009.12.25 07:47:00 -
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Edited by: Arch Widowmaker on 25/12/2009 07:50:49
Originally by: d3vo Back to the Ishkur...how is this?
[Ishkur, Solo] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II
1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
I feel the Explosive Hardener is really important because of how popular Warriors and cheap Minmatar ships are... Without it, 23.5% resists is very low in my opinion.
I agree with the Exp hardener, I use that myself. Overheated hardener is supernice. I'd use repping rigs instead of the CCC's. However, by doing that, your ship will get really slow and you won't have a chance against keeping ships like Jags etc. It tanks really well and could be useful against cruisers.
Edit: Hunting cruisers in AB is nice if you know you get him into scram range (like gates/stations in FW), but probably not worth the kiting risk if you're a belthunter. That dual propped fit looks very interesting!
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Leopold Caine
Amarr Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.12.25 08:50:00 -
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Dramiel. ____________________________________________________________
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Icarus Flame
Amarr The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.25 09:36:00 -
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Proxyyy is right about laser pwnships, just wrong about the Retri. The Coercer does essentially the same thing, with less EHP, more tracking, and with a bit less speed. There's no sense in flying a Retri for gangs when a Coercer will do it better for cheaper. THAT's why the Retribution really and truly sucks - its last potential role is taken up by a destroyer.
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hobo deluxe
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Posted - 2009.12.25 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: hobo deluxe on 25/12/2009 10:53:06 [Vengeance, electron , duel rep (injector)] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Small Armor Repairer II Small Armor Repairer II
1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Light Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Nosferatu II
Small Nanobot Accelerator I Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Tanks 250dps practically perma ,dps is low at 83 tough but you WILL outlast your enemy. its not the best or anything but i have enjoyed it alot.
Throw some cheap deadpsace reps at it and your tank combined with the small sig will be absurd . offcourse since its armor rig/AB fitted speed wont be its strong point but usually people come to me thinking easy kill xD
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.12.25 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Proxyyyy [Coercer, Coecer]
Rofl you must be trolling.
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.25 16:23:00 -
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I cant convice people who have never engaged or flown the coecer that it is a pwn ship! Of course in most situitions its better to fly a destroyer over an af. But this thread is about looking for af's that are good solo! Since i have already stated that i feel the jag/ishkur are prolly the best overall and i have always argued destroyers are a better choice in most cases over an af for a long time even before the hype! Which people laughed at me about btw and said i dont know what im talking about = /
I dont follow eve o forums hypes or trends atleast if i dont think they warrent said hype! I do my own thing and come to my own conclusions threw empirical methods. Pretty much based off my own experiences in-game!
Most af's dont excel in fleets except the Retribution, Ishkur, Harpy and Hawk. Why is that? because they are able to engage at range! Most af's excel at solo pvp and should prolly only be used in that environment. The retribution solo is better than the coecer in almost everyway except cost to preformance, i still think it should be considered...
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Intigo
Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.25 16:55:00 -
[38]
It's amazing how much "PvP experience" you can have with less than 400 kills recorded on BC.
I wish I had all that "PvP experience" myself. ___________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it. |

SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2009.12.25 17:59:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Stuart Price Properly fitted Harpy. Always.
If you have to engage at 13k or less, you will get trapped eventually. If you rely on drones they will die often, forcing you to resupply (and cost to do so).
Harpy does not worry about either of those things. It can outfight MOST things faster than it and run from MOST things that can outfight it. Nothing it perfect obviously, but I feel a lot safer in a Harpy than in another AF.
Ahhh I remember blowing up some harpies in my wolf, jolly good fun.
Tbh though most AF's have the ability to be good at (certain) solo-pvp. The thing though is (as with all solo pvp tbh) you have to pick your targets carefully.
I personally only fly wolf/jaguar (and jaguar only recently after having learned some kickass setups for it from corpmates that equalled/excelled my own wolf setup(s)) and I love it to bits.
Here's my wolf setup:
400mm plate 2x gyro nanofiber
AB scram
4x 200mm ACs <complemental fit-whatever-fits highslot>
Havent been able to play post-dominion though (due to faulty wiring in the brains of my ISP causing them to fail three times miserably to process my moving order) so dunno how the changes to ships/weapons has affected it.
I can tell you though that anything frigsized that gets in my range and isnt paying enough attention will die horribly __________________________________________________
History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.. |

Psiri
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Posted - 2009.12.25 20:06:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Intigo It's amazing how much "PvP experience" you can have with less than 400 kills recorded on BC.
I wish I had all that "PvP experience" myself.
400 solo and/or small gang kills > 4000 gang and fleet kills.
EVE PvP really isn't that advanced when it's only a few participants.
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Intigo
Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.12.25 20:32:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Psiri
Originally by: Intigo It's amazing how much "PvP experience" you can have with less than 400 kills recorded on BC.
I wish I had all that "PvP experience" myself.
400 solo and/or small gang kills > 4000 gang and fleet kills.
EVE PvP really isn't that advanced when it's only a few participants.
You do realize most of my kills are solo and small gang PvP kills, yeah?
Every post Proxyyyy makes about a ship boasts the "experience" he has flying with it. The experience of 400 lifetime kills, woo! ___________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it. |

Psiri
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Posted - 2009.12.25 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Intigo You do realize most of my kills are solo and small gang PvP kills, yeah?
Every post Proxyyyy makes about a ship boasts the "experience" he has flying with it. The experience of 400 lifetime kills, woo!
I'm not pretending to have arsed with reading through your whole discussion, nor looked at respective poster's killboard. I was only budging in because you made it look as if 400 kills isn't enough to back your claims on a topic such as which AF would be the best for solo work.
It's a quite subjective matter and there are other factors not being mentioned here. For instance where you hunt and what the opposition looks like in your area. That's pherhaps one of the most important aspects when selecting a ship and its fit, yet it's not something someone posting here can take into account.
As for the topic I feel that no AF outside of 0.0 is worth the investment as a Tech 1 cruiser offers more bang for the buck. For above-scramler range engagements I feel that the Harpy has the upper hand and for sub-scrambler range the Ishkur is the king of its class. The Jaguar is interesting but I don't feel that it does either task any better than the above two.
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Stuart Price
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.12.25 22:25:00 -
[43]
Originally by: SFX Bladerunner Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 25/12/2009 18:07:37
Originally by: Stuart Price Properly fitted Harpy. Always.
If you have to engage at 13k or less, you will get trapped eventually. If you rely on drones they will die often, forcing you to resupply (and cost to do so).
Harpy does not worry about either of those things. It can outfight MOST things faster than it and run from MOST things that can outfight it. Nothing it perfect obviously, but I feel a lot safer in a Harpy than in another AF.
Ahhh I remember blowing up some harpies in my wolf, jolly good fun.
Tbh though most AF's have the ability to be good at (certain) solo-pvp. The thing though is (as with all solo pvp tbh) you have to pick your targets carefully.
I personally only fly wolf/jaguar (and jaguar only recently after having learned some kickass setups for it from corpmates that equalled/excelled my own wolf setup(s)) and I love it to bits.
Here's my wolf setup:
400mm plate 2x gyro nanofiber
AB scram
4x 200mm ACs <complemental fit-whatever-fits highslot>
Havent been able to play post-dominion though (due to faulty wiring in the brains of my ISP causing them to fail three times miserably to process my moving order) so dunno how the changes to ships/weapons has affected it.
I can tell you though that anything frigsized that gets in my range and isnt paying enough attention will die horribly
(trollbait countermeasure: as you can see on BC I've had enough kills with a wolf to know what I'm talkin about)
That's a good wolf fit, but a properly fit Harpy will still kill it taking zero damage. If the Wolf mounts a MWD on the other hand, the roles are reversed. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |

Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.12.25 22:47:00 -
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nice fail fits with AB =D
what I like to fly is the wolf, might not be the best choice but it works nice
400mm plate gyro 2 TE =D (actually a good choice as you fight in falloff mostly it increase the dmg and makes the 200mm track as good as 125mm) MWD SCRAM 200mm AC and some rigs
it is always funny to see how some frigs pilots (like rail harpies) think they can stay at range and then you switch to barrage and give them a nice surprise =D
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Myrkala
Minmatar Aurora Acclivitous
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Posted - 2009.12.26 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: Myrkala on 26/12/2009 03:03:18
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic nice fail fits with AB =D
what I like to fly is the wolf, might not be the best choice but it works nice
400mm plate gyro 2 TE =D (actually a good choice as you fight in falloff mostly it increase the dmg and makes the 200mm track as good as 125mm) MWD SCRAM 200mm AC and some rigs
it is always funny to see how some frigs pilots (like rail harpies) think they can stay at range and then you switch to barrage and give them a nice surprise =D
[Wolf, Falloff] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Gyrostabilizer II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S [empty high slot] 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Projectile Ambit Extension I
25km falloff, lol. 
Ignoring tracking, eft says 123 dps overloaded at 20km (sx-1,cx1,cgc100), I say 105ish dps.
If you downgrade one of the TE's (change to falloff neglible) to meta4 you can fit a 20km point.
Interestingly, with 150mm guns you can fit a small neut so you have something usefull to do with your cap if you get scrammed.
Ship's with falloff bonuses got a nice boost with Dominon.
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NO SPLIT WEAPON BONUSES ON THE NAGLFAR PLEASE! |

d3vo
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Posted - 2009.12.26 04:32:00 -
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I feel it is important to have a neut. Also, it seems that the Wolf might be a better choice.
[Wolf, S0L0] Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
150mm Light AutoCannon II, EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, EMP S Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I __________ \(^.^)/ |

Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.26 05:10:00 -
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Bro! fit a damage control. I cant tell you how many times i have been saved by my dc. I can also tell you about many engagements i would have lost if the other dude had fit one...
This wolf fit can beat any other af if they decide to stay in the fight; 10,700/ehp 210/dps 865m/sec
[Wolf, Wolf/B-0] 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II
1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.26 05:21:00 -
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The nuet is mainly ment to deal with active tanking frigs. The harpy is no jaguar but the preformance is very close! You also have to watch your cap with this setup. It was created to defeat an active tank ishkur but you also need cap to run your weapon systems so be careful.
This is my standard harpy fit; 9500/ehp 220/dps 835m/sec
[Harpy, Harpy/B-0] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Medium Shield Extender II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
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