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d3vo	Posted - 2009.12.23 16:08:00 - [1] I'm looking to do some solo pvp with an AF. Which would be the best one? I was thinking the Ishkur...got any suggestions. This will probably be for low sec solo roaming kind of stuff... __________ \(^.^)/
Samaritan Azuma Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.12.23 16:11:00 - [2] ishkur and thats it for popping pods at stations ... 150mm harpy w/ scan res rigs and antimatter If it weren't for downtime, I wouldn't make stupid posts.
Zaius Caine	Posted - 2009.12.23 16:20:00 - [3] Ishkur or Jaguar. Both are powerful and versatile ships.
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.12.23 17:48:00 - [4] Its between the ishkur and jaguar tbh!
Arrador	Posted - 2009.12.23 18:28:00 - [5] Retribution
Zaius Caine	Posted - 2009.12.23 18:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Arrador Retribution Hmmm. Lets see. Retri sucks for solo since it cant tackle. Retri sucks for gang since it cant tackle. Yep, Retri sucks.
Kirzath Darkrime Industries	Posted - 2009.12.23 19:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Zaius Caine Originally by: Arrador Retribution Hmmm. Lets see. Retri sucks for solo since it cant tackle. Retri sucks for gang since it cant tackle. Yep, Retri sucks. You just got trolled, bro.
d3vo	Posted - 2009.12.24 00:49:00 - [8] Edited by: d3vo on 24/12/2009 00:49:31 How is this for a setup? [Ishkur, Solo] Small Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Energy Neutralizer II Hobgoblin II x5 Unfortunately, the cap stability on this is not very good. __________ \(^.^)/
Ammy Azimuth	Posted - 2009.12.24 00:57:00 - [9] Originally by: d3vo Edited by: d3vo on 24/12/2009 00:49:31 How is this for a setup? [Ishkur, Solo] Small Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Energy Neutralizer II Hobgoblin II x5 Unfortunately, the cap stability on this is not very good. Swap the explosive hardener to a damage control at least. You almost always need some form of damage control on frigates and almost all ships for pvp. And you can try to do neutrons instead of ions but you might lose the neut. I just think a neut and a small repper hurts your cap really bad. So maybe passive in the lows without a repper and add a neut or jsut drop the neut and keep the repper and upgrade to neutrons loaded with nulls.
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.12.24 01:01:00 - [10] D3vo i fought this setup most recently i think its not as well rounded as the repper version, but it didnt die quickly against my rupture. I was neuting it thinking it would just drop but it took forever. I prolly should have kited it, but if it was the active tank version you should always go close enough to neut it. Without cap these active repper assault frigs drop quick! [Ishkur, ishkur] 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Warrior II x5
Faerana	Posted - 2009.12.24 01:38:00 - [11] I know it's not an AF but it damn near is one, and I think it should get a mention here. [Taranis, T2 + Implants] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters Light Ion Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot] Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Hobgoblin II x2 And buy some implants to go with it, depending on what you want to spend: ZGS (damage), ZGC (falloff) and CX- (damage)
Arch Widowmaker	Posted - 2009.12.24 01:40:00 - [12] I think it's a mistake to use neut on a repper fit without a cap booster. I'd use a nos instead. Proxyyy's fit would be nice against frigs. If I'm hunting cruisers, I usually trade my web for a cap injector. Hey prox!
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.12.24 04:14:00 - [13] Properly fitted Harpy. Always. If you have to engage at 13k or less, you will get trapped eventually. If you rely on drones they will die often, forcing you to resupply (and cost to do so). Harpy does not worry about either of those things. It can outfight MOST things faster than it and run from MOST things that can outfight it. Nothing it perfect obviously, but I feel a lot safer in a Harpy than in another AF. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Liang Nuren The Lollypop Factory	Posted - 2009.12.24 04:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Stuart Price Properly fitted Harpy. Always. Mind sharing a fit? -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Tornado Bait Minmatar 737 Incorporated Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.12.24 06:27:00 - [15] I like the Wolf 4 200 tech 2 autocannons 1 nos 1 afterburner 1 scram dc2 anp II small armor rep gyrostab dmg rigs or rig to taste
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.12.24 06:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Stuart Price Properly fitted Harpy. Always. Mind sharing a fit? -Liang Oh shush, you know the fit :p Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.24 07:25:00 - [17] Put a neut on that ishkur and you're golden. Other than that, the jag can bring the ewar and have some space left for a tank. Gogo turret disrupting MWD'ing frigate. ----------------- Friends Forever
Sovereign Enterprise Gallente Crimson Empire. Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.12.24 08:04:00 - [18] A neut on an active tanked ishkur is just asking for death, it can't speed tank anything because it's so damn slow. [Ishkur, pvp] Damage Control II Small Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot] Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Hobgoblin II x4 Warrior II x5 I've used that often, and it's performed admirably. It only has problems with AB dual MSE jags, because they have stupid buffer, and can move faster than you unless you spam the MWD, killing your cap and your sig radius. A corpmate and I flying two ishkurs fit like this beat a curse once, since the cap injector still lets you rep.
Dursun Idris	Posted - 2009.12.24 10:38:00 - [19] I like jaguar for solo roam as AF. Enough slots to fit buffer point web and nano-gyro. And solo rule 1 for me is "run away before **** happens". If you are a lone wolf, you hunt rabbits instead of deers and run away when lions came. Just my opinion.
Emperor Ryan Amarr Imperial Syndicate Forces Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.12.24 10:48:00 - [20] Edited by: Emperor Ryan on 24/12/2009 10:48:19 Originally by: Zaius Caine Originally by: Arrador Retribution Hmmm. Lets see. Retri sucks for solo since it cant tackle. Retri sucks for gang since it cant tackle. Yep, Retri sucks. You're an Idiot retribution is the best gang Af for the soul reason that it kicks out 200 dps + at over 20km of range with t2 ammo. It cannot tackle, that's true, but to be a gang ship you do not need tackle. (Do sniper parts of fleet carry tackle/ no, does that mean they suck, No) should have thought about that. For solo the retribution can only bait and hope to be tackled and kill of the tackler before they warp so they are not built for solo work. - Emperor
Intigo Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.24 11:25:00 - [21] Edited by: Intigo on 24/12/2009 11:27:44 Originally by: Emperor Ryan Edited by: Emperor Ryan on 24/12/2009 10:48:19 Originally by: Zaius Caine Originally by: Arrador Retribution Hmmm. Lets see. Retri sucks for solo since it cant tackle. Retri sucks for gang since it cant tackle. Yep, Retri sucks. You're an Idiot retribution is the best gang Af for the soul reason that it kicks out 200 dps + at over 20km of range with t2 ammo. It cannot tackle, that's true, but to be a gang ship you do not need tackle. (Do sniper parts of fleet carry tackle/ no, does that mean they suck, No) should have thought about that. For solo the retribution can only bait and hope to be tackled and kill of the tackler before they warp so they are not built for solo work. "Best AF for solo" And flying a frigate-sized ship in a gang that can't tackle is just laughable. Unless you're in an AF swarm for "lulz" you are flying the wrong ship. Also, best solo AF is the dual prop Ishkur. Hands down. Edit: [Ishkur, BEST SOLO AF IN EVE] Damage Control II Small Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I Warrior II x5 ___________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.12.24 13:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Emperor Ryan but to be a gang ship you do not need tackle. No. If you dont fit tackle to af, YOU are responsible for your target escaping and you are nothing more than a km *****.
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.12.24 17:14:00 - [23] Emperor Ryan seems to have a good understanding of how the retribution works. ill add that it can solo and if you have a good understanding of the coecer then you'll know how to fly and fit the retribution. It should do real well at solo'ing blobs tbh! Warp in at 100k. align ceptor rushes you and you pop him in 1-3 vollies depending on how its fit of course. Shoot i have solo'ed blobs in ships not optimum for the job but this should excel at it. Like many things said on the forums they have never used the ship they comment on but have alot of opinions on how to fly and fit them! Im fairly sure if you bring this ship to null sec and warp in at 100k of a blob they will just laugh and charge in. Why is that? cause of lack of understanding of the ships they are engaging. Its less likely to work in low sec and fw where these ships are used the most! Also i suggest that anyone if they are intrested, fit up a coecer and ask a friend to fit up a standard ishkur. You will then figure out how dangerous these ships are and how much damage they can put down in a short about of time. This ship should be used at range and kiting bursting your mwd off and on, same with the retribution. So the retribution is a t2 version of the coecer; 180/dps with scorch 20k optimal 2300m/sec Retribution Adaptive Nano Plating II Small Armor Repairer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Heat Sink II 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S [empty high slot] Small Energy Burst Aerator I Small Energy Collision Accelerator I This is the coecer! If you wanna see solo Coecer/Retribution stats check PIE Inc. [Retribution, Retribution] Adaptive Nano Plating II Small Armor Repairer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Heat Sink II 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S [empty high slot] Small Energy Burst Aerator I Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
Intigo Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.24 17:24:00 - [24] Edited by: Intigo on 24/12/2009 17:25:17 Originally by: Proxyyyy Shoot i have solo'ed blobs in ships not optimum for the job but this should excel at it. Hahahaha. You must be trolling now. Stop posting. Edit: Good job posting the same fit twice, btw. ___________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it.
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.12.24 18:06:00 - [25] Edited by: Proxyyyy on 24/12/2009 18:08:37 Originally by: Intigo Edited by: Intigo on 24/12/2009 17:25:17 Originally by: Proxyyyy Shoot i have solo'ed blobs in ships not optimum for the job but this should excel at it. Hahahaha. You must be trolling now. Stop posting. Edit: Good job posting the same fit twice, btw. Thnks for pointing that out btw! i wont respond to you in the future so this is it: Heh! The only joker here is you! No need to even respond to someone lacking in ability but has alot of talk. But in the end the ish talkers will be found out i suppose...
Kingwood Amarr Hello Kitty Pyjama Piwates	Posted - 2009.12.24 19:25:00 - [26] Edited by: Kingwood on 24/12/2009 19:27:19 Everyone who praises the Retri must be trolling or new in Eve. You either fit a Scrambler, and then get killed by any T1 Cruiser who wants to shoot you (gee, you can't run). Or you fit an AB and anything you could kill either runs from you or just laughs at your non-existing tackle and warps out (stupid Inty pilots bum-rushing a Retri don't count). T1 cruisers with MWD will still catch and kill you at will. Or you actually fit an MWD and try to be useful as some sort of mobile 180DPS platform, when you could just as well sit in an Omen and apply DPS just as well, just as fast, and with more DPS (it also has 3 mids, so you can actually tackle).
d3vo	Posted - 2009.12.24 20:03:00 - [27] Back to the Ishkur...how is this? [Ishkur, Solo] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 I feel the Explosive Hardener is really important because of how popular Warriors and cheap Minmatar ships are... Without it, 23.5% resists is very low in my opinion. __________ \(^.^)/
Intigo Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.25 01:05:00 - [28] Proxyyyy, you are amazing. Originally by: d3vo Back to the Ishkur...how is this? [Ishkur, Solo] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 I feel the Explosive Hardener is really important because of how popular Warriors and cheap Minmatar ships are... Without it, 23.5% resists is very low in my opinion. Dead in the first gatecamp in 0.0. Flying without a MWD is silly, the AB buff has not gone through yet. Dual propulsion makes way more sense. ___________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it.
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.12.25 01:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Intigo Proxyyyy, you are amazing. Originally by: d3vo Back to the Ishkur...how is this? [Ishkur, Solo] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 I feel the Explosive Hardener is really important because of how popular Warriors and cheap Minmatar ships are... Without it, 23.5% resists is very low in my opinion. Dead in the first gatecamp in 0.0. Flying without a MWD is silly, the AB buff has not gone through yet. Dual propulsion makes way more sense. I guess you were talking to a genos about me cause they were the only one's there at the time of that fail... Anyways i have done fine in null sec with ab's or mwd's also get off my nuts i dont know you... D3vo That fit seems fine bro!
Smabs	Posted - 2009.12.25 04:31:00 - [30] Back on the coercer and retri - the thing about them is that the dps is huge and the extremely high tracking lets the guns apply pretty much all of the damage you see on eft. I've seen a friend using a coercer like that and it often kills a ceptor in just two or three volleys, often before it gets time to warpout (unless the pilot is really on the ball). Yes, you get people escaping but generally the idea is to make it completely into a glass cannon.

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