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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2009.12.24 17:00:00 -
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 Originally by: NightCrawler 85
Originally by: Denny Haze
Regarding voice comms my girlfriend hates them, cause she's mute, but she also enjoys listening to other people talk. She find everyone ignoring text chat due to voice stupid, and has lost a few vessels due to that.
It's worse for hearing impaired, but still very uncomfortable to speech impaired.
A friend of mine had the same problem.She was mute which ofc lead to the other girls in her corp making fun of her since she couldent "prove" being a girl.Eventually she just gave up and left the game altogether due to it :(
Its sad tho because she was really cool to hang around with,and since i had issues actually speaking english,me and her went well along :)
It's sad that you're friend let them drive her out of the game like that. My response to the "prove you're a girl" crowd has always been the same - "I don't have to." Frankly, it doesn't bother me one way or the other if they believe me or not - it's not like I'm looking for a date on here or something. 
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Toko Baru
Kleinrock Heavy Industries
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.12.24 18:06:00 -
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Thank you all about answer, i found as far 3 pilot deafs atm.
I want find more, anyone know more?
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HIghlord Diamond
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Posted - 2009.12.24 19:42:00 -
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In my corp, we encourage the use of Voice chat whenever possible, because it IS far more effective. Some people type really fast, but most FC and key people transmitting orders talk fast, clear and simple. It's simply that much easier when you go a good comm going.
However, those who can't or won't use voice chat, even after we explain why they should, are not penalize. Same goes for those who don't want to use a ship fitting that's proven to be the most effective, because they wish to try something different. Different can actually be surprisingly effective when facing the unknown.
People with handicaps should always be assisted rather than rejected. It's hard enough for them already to live without sounds, a voice to speak or vision. I wish you good luck in finding your pairs Toko!
PS : To all deaf people playing EvE who never listened to it, this might help : The music quickly becomes boring, the sound effects aren't that great and they cause lag so all the serious PvPers turn them off anyway. You're not missing much on that side.
PPS : What if you're blinded? I don't think the game's playable blind... Sad really when you think a pod pilot controls his ship with his mind.
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Kathryn Dougans
Amarr
Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.24 21:37:00 -
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There is much that could be done with the UI.
To accommodate players with hearing difficulties, and also, to help other players in general.
E.g. Fleet commander names primary. But to do that visually, he has to right click and "broadcast target". This command cannot be assigned to a key. This is overly cumbersome, greatly adding to the fleet commander's workload.
Having more commands, and the ability to put the commands onto keys, makes communication more effective.
e.g. if the F-keys could be assigned to say F5-Broadcast Primary, F6-Broadcast Secondary, etc. then the fleet commander has fewer keys and buttons that they need to keep on top of as well as managing the battle itself.
And similarly, have the ability to issue a response. like "Acknowledge" or "Send again".
That sort of stuff, could be useful for all players.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.12.24 21:38:00 -
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wat?
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Denny Haze
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.12.24 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
E.g. Fleet commander names primary. But to do that visually, he has to right click and "broadcast target". This command cannot be assigned to a key. This is overly cumbersome, greatly adding to the fleet commander's workload.
Oh, this isn't right. FC's have to broadcast the targets through that system anyway, cause that way the sign stays on screen longer, and it's easier to spot them in the overview.
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.24 22:32:00 -
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man being def and pvp will be hard..
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Warhead K
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.24 22:48:00 -
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Though I'm not deaf or have any speech impairment, I really dislike voice coms. Half the time I don't even understand what the other guys are saying because of static, low sound quality or other such things.
Plus, at this "gut feeling" level, I simply dislike them for what they are. I just don't like my games with someone talking over the sound, no matter how crappy it is. I also respond faster to written commands than to spoken ones, don't really know why.
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vaseel
Caldari
Guild Of Bounty Hunters
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Posted - 2009.12.25 02:57:00 -
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Why do deaf people suck at spelling? FFS, you're deaf, not blind.
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Nonexistent Face
Amarr
Deaf Rights Advocates
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Posted - 2009.12.25 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: vaseel
Why do deaf people suck at spelling? FFS, you're deaf, not blind.
That's a popular question.
Basically, our sign language grammar is different than usual English grammar, so it is not really the spelling that you notice - it's the grammatical structure that Toko employs. Personally, I have a cochlear implant so I have the best of both worlds (although I hate VOIP still) and ultimately speak/write as any normal hearing person.
Besides, do you really care that much about it while there's a much more pressing issue at hand?
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2009.12.25 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nonexistent Face
That's a popular question.
Then how come there are so many non-native speakers with good english spelling and grammar? They learn it mostly through reading/writing, so deaf people aren't at a disadvantage there.
Sounds more like a case of the lazies than anything else.
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Amanda Wilkins
Caldari
Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2009.12.25 04:50:00 -
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Edited by: Amanda Wilkins on 25/12/2009 04:52:34
I am not deaf (yet...), but one of those arrogant CEOs who claim you cannot PVP effectively without the ability to hear. I don't mind if a pilot cannot talk, but during pvp it is very, very timeconsuming to type all commands. It requires a second player dedicated to the task, and that could bring that player into a dilemma of flying his/her own ship or typing for others. For this reason, I have in the past refused a player based on a hearing disability.
If you are deaf and want to try pvp, then I would suggest looking up Agony Unleashed for a class - they are very accommodating and can assign an alumni to do the typing for you in fleet if you join a Basic class. This will give you a good idea on how you would be able to handle PVP as a deaf person - if you then want to do pvp later, you will need to have a corp buddy typing for you in fleet or in a private channel, as you cannot rely on the FC to have time.
NB! I have met CEOs who really DO want voice coms to be able to hear their own voice :) so I fully understand why some are frustrated over that. For anything PVE, I would say text based chat is fine.
Amanda Wilkins
CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish
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Toko Baru
Kleinrock Heavy Industries
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2010.01.03 14:31:00 -
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When i was ex-gbc, there do use also alot broadcast and relay to us (not special deaf only)
Was very good and without trouble.. (was about 200 in fleet and MAX battle)
I dont understand about each small alliance dont use broadcast or relay.
Our FC was try since few days ago more on boardcast, finally better helped.
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Derwent
Free Lapland
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2010.01.03 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Toko Baru
When i was ex-gbc, there do use also alot broadcast and relay to us (not special deaf only)
Was very good and without trouble.. (was about 200 in fleet and MAX battle)
I dont understand about each small alliance dont use broadcast or relay.
Our FC was try since few days ago more on boardcast, finally better helped.
Hey, broadcasting has never been an important thing to do other than for ppl to know im taking damage so that they can remote rep me BUT i now know that ppl sometimes might have some trouble understanding me let alone not hearing me but u know i love u anyway toko
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Chunky Milk
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Posted - 2010.01.03 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous
Given EVE is text based i don't see how its an issue, anyone who actually complains about it really needs to take a look at themselves before deciding not to recruit people because of being deaf, i wouldn't have any issue with it and we had a deaf girl in our corp at one point, sadly we weren't very active so she left but we accepted her regardless and i would welcome any disabled people to the corp i have no issues with it :)
Also EVE has no sound so they aren't missing out ^^
You sir are an idiot - on a better note, its fine for high sec mining ops etc etc
For pvp in groups it gets hard for them, i knew a guy who pvped and it did become a problem for him though he was smart at already knowing the likely primary, not to say i wouldn't accept them btw
but even mining etc many times people just talk on vent etc..so again can be hard
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.01.03 15:12:00 -
[46]
wat?
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Toko Baru
Kleinrock Heavy Industries
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2010.01.05 03:32:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Derwent
Originally by: Toko Baru
When i was ex-gbc, there do use also alot broadcast and relay to us (not special deaf only)
Was very good and without trouble.. (was about 200 in fleet and MAX battle)
I dont understand about each small alliance dont use broadcast or relay.
Our FC was try since few days ago more on boardcast, finally better helped.
Hey, broadcasting has never been an important thing to do other than for ppl to know im taking damage so that they can remote rep me BUT i now know that ppl sometimes might have some trouble understanding me let alone not hearing me but u know i love u anyway toko
:P but I'm still not happy about it but now just abit better than before.
Example: 1e round was nice relay or broadcast (i'll give score: 2.5 of 5)
2 round was damn very good from broadcast anD ALSO relay!!! (i'll give score: 4 of 5) But just sad! 3 round, where is broadcast or relay?????
I give score so 0.5 of 5...
What happens Kadeshi???
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DeafPirate
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Posted - 2010.02.12 20:34:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Toko Baru
Originally by: Derwent
Originally by: Toko Baru
When i was ex-gbc, there do use also alot broadcast and relay to us (not special deaf only)
Was very good and without trouble.. (was about 200 in fleet and MAX battle)
I dont understand about each small alliance dont use broadcast or relay.
Our FC was try since few days ago more on boardcast, finally better helped.
Hey, broadcasting has never been an important thing to do other than for ppl to know im taking damage so that they can remote rep me BUT i now know that ppl sometimes might have some trouble understanding me let alone not hearing me but u know i love u anyway toko
:P but I'm still not happy about it but now just abit better than before.
Example: 1e round was nice relay or broadcast (i'll give score: 2.5 of 5)
2 round was damn very good from broadcast anD ALSO relay!!! (i'll give score: 4 of 5) But just sad! 3 round, where is broadcast or relay?????
I give score so 0.5 of 5...
What happens Kadeshi???
HEY!!!! TOKO
FINALLY i find u deaf on eve online forum. =) i'm deaf too. i just join eve online last month. i'm happy you in space =) ok where ur home station? pls let me know i hope see u eve online =)
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Lunaon
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Posted - 2010.02.12 21:31:00 -
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Im profoundly deaf in real life.
I was born deaf. But diagnoised when i was two years old lol. I can hear forms of music and speech. But have trouble hearing some speech for example phones and VIOP. As i lipread as well to help me understand what is being said.
Lunaon
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randomname4me
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Posted - 2010.02.12 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: randomname4me on 12/02/2010 22:38:53
The broadcast system could definitely be improved for this situation. Most things are there like "align to", "warp to", primary target calling and logistic love requests but the options need to be much more accessible for the FC, right click > broadcast target can be vary cumbersome in a big laggy fleet fight. There also needs to be more options like broadcasting a bookmark for instance so a spread out fleet can all meet up at a safe spot. Some ability to broadcasts secondary targets and orders to warp to a target at your optimal would be good as well. You would almost need the selected item window to expand for who ever is the fleet boss to include all the broadcast orders as one click icons for speed sake.
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Skeltem
Amarr
Free Space Initiative
Republic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.13 10:24:00 -
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Obligatory o/ to another deaf player.
Don't let anybody get to you, just because they can hear and you don't. I do a lot of PvP and successfully for the most part. It's not easy mode without voice, but with good mates the problems are all solvable. With a bit of thought the relays are manageable, for example if you use "shorthand".
Fly safe.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.13 10:30:00 -
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Braille vent?
Originally by: a51 duke1406
The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
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Mixu Paatelainen
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.13 11:43:00 -
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I somehow imagine deaf players to be serenely calm during PVP as they don't have to hear low armour klaxons going off and inducing panic (yes I know you can turn em off).
My alliance has the odd deaf player but they're outnumbered by people who don't use voice for other reasons so same rules apply. FC orders on voice, guy who drew short straw relays in text. Sometimes I don't use voice for reasons people state above - if I'm not FCing then it's frustrating listening to pointless chatter and not being in a position to tell them to stfu and get off comms.
What has happened in the past is for whatever reason a deaf pilot has been reluctant to explain that they are deaf and so have appeared to be being obtuse in refusing to get on voice and only after bad tempered arguments does the truth come out. If anyone's self conscious about it, don't be :)
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.13 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 13/02/2010 12:37:28
Originally by: Mixu Paatelainen
...... If anyone's self conscious about it, don't be :)
Agree with that. In another game a leader refused to give instructions based on colour which was sometimes very important. He would give direction which sometimes wasted valuable time and caused a lot of confusion. So of course we all got a bit annoyed and things got heated. He then admitted he was colour blind in several colours. Of course once we knew that we adjusted and that was the end of it. We told him he was silly not saying it from day one. But he was worried he would not be allowed to lead so I understand his reluctance to say anything.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.02.13 12:54:00 -
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Eve has sound? Oh wai
Haha, just kidding around. I think it's absolutely amazing that you all can play Eve, despite being unable to hear. I have a 33% hearing loss of medium-high frequencies (whispers or higher) that impair my ability to hear centered ahead well. I don't have a full scope of what it is like to be deaf, but I appreciate it.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.13 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Denny Haze
She find everyone ignoring text chat due to voice stupid, and has lost a few vessels due to that.
I hear and talk normally (well, I mumble a bit), and I still find this annoying. If people are on voice chat, they seem to completely ignore text and sometimes I feel like typing rather than talking, so it's like I don't exist. Is it really that hard to glance down and read chat occasionally?
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.02.13 22:55:00 -
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wut?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.13 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
Edited by: Benco97 on 23/12/2009 23:40:58
I have no hearing problems myself but I DESPISE voice comms and while my previous corp didn't actually exclude me from any OPs they also didn't put any commands into chat so I never had a clue what to do.
Whenever I did use vent to listen in they were NEVER talking about the goddamn game anyway and THAT is why I hate voice comms, yes yes, we play the same game, no, I don't want to know how high you are or how many times you got laid last week, thankyou.
Edit- And I'll just add that I remember EVE before everyone used voice comms and we got along just fine but you talk to people these days and they act like it's literally impossible for a group of people to do anything at all if you're not talking about the most inane drivel in vent.
tbh all the random chat is the fun bit.
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