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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2009.12.24 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jerid Verges on 24/12/2009 00:38:20 Edited by: Jerid Verges on 24/12/2009 00:37:43 Notification. It needs to be made more obvious. MUCH more obvious.
I was warp scrambled for 10 minutes doing a mission and I had no idea until I wanted to warp out when my tank was failing.
No surprise my tank failed and I died. I would've killed whatever was scrambling me right when I was notified. But nope. I never knew. I couldn't even figure out what had me scrambled when I suddenly realized I was.
There is something I know that is suppose to do this. And I have still not found it. Not even searching meticulously through the knowledge base and Evelopedia.
What the hell is up with that?
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.12.24 00:49:00 -
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And the proposal is ....................?
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.12.24 01:01:00 -
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you get a big message in the middle of the screen telling you "... started started warp scrambling you"
and you have the nice icon in your overview, something you always look at to lock more targets.
and you managed to miss *both*?
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.24 01:44:00 -
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Edited by: Faraelle Brightman on 24/12/2009 01:44:47 I confess, it's happened to me - the notifications are there but if it's hectic, or overview isn't set up right, it's possible to miss it when the stuff hits the fan.
As a proposal though, needs work: more constructive suggestions, less whine. For example, I discovered the new audio alerts today while I died embarrassingly to a very expertly fit Rifter pilot. That's an area something like this could be expanded to. Bigger icons that are easier to see (placed above your ship controls for example) would be another. ---
"Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies."
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Miss Xerox
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Posted - 2009.12.24 09:11:00 -
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Well, it is clear but... not very.
On the right had side of your HUD there's an indicator of any EW being used against you. Unfortunately it does not have it's own little column space so if there is any text there at all you can't see anything.
I vote for having an remote effects (ECM or Repair, ect) in their own column that's clear of other clutter so you can actually see who is doing what to you!
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ingenting
20th Legion Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2009.12.24 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever you get a big message in the middle of the screen telling you "... started started warp scrambling you"
and you have the nice icon in your overview, something you always look at to lock more targets.
and you managed to miss *both*?
this.
dont fix something that isnt broken
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Azran Zala
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Posted - 2009.12.24 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: Azran Zala on 24/12/2009 10:32:17
Hmmmm, it does show an icon on the overview who has u scrammed. Though its not easily visiable. Without checking the line carefully.
Paying attention helps, that being said, since there is usually a timer bar above your shield/armor/hull HUD, which indicates if you're being jammed/damped ect, why not show a big flashy easy to spot sign about being scrammed, or make the speed indicator flash red.
ps: Notifications are too numerious ("your light potato gun did x amount of damage" every second kinda make it tedious to pay attention to it...")
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2009.12.24 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever you get a big message in the middle of the screen telling you "... started started warp scrambling you"
and you have the nice icon in your overview, something you always look at to lock more targets.
and you managed to miss *both*?
When you have roughly 15 small rats shooting at you, 5 bigger ones. And you're launching your own volleys, trying to maintain optimal range while controlling drones. 1 little (and yes. very little) message is going to disappear into the mounting notifications of misses hits and damage taken.
In fact, I couldn't even figure out why I wasn't warping until I mashed my "Warp to" button as fast as possible until I could get the "You can't warp" message.
If there is something in the overview that is suppose to notify me I'm being scambled, I sure as hell don't know where it is. So yes, it is very reasonable I'd miss it.
There's no tutorial on warp scambling? Not even a page in Evelopedia or the knowledge base?
CCP has a lot. A LOT of broken features. Stop spending time making our ships look even MORE futury and just fix some of these nuisances.
If I haven't been clear enough in my proposal.
1. Knowledge base and Evelopedia need to be rehauled. Not just with an article on Warp Scrambling. They are missing whole bunches of info.
2. There needs to be an ingame tutorial on warp scambling. In fact. Warp scrambling should be part of the very beginning tutorial for new players.
3. There needs to be a 'history' of sorts. Like a log, where you can readily look back on notifications (Hits, misses, damage, EWAR) that has been flashed at you in the past 2 seconds that you didn't see because you're being gang spammed.
4. Messages automated on local by the game need to be shown somewhere else. I don't know a soul who actually keeps local in their screen, they're either in corp/private chat or have that window closed althogether to save space.
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Dr Cron
Northern Lights Number 5 Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2009.12.24 22:38:00 -
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I'm still trying to figure out where the "Your are unable to warp because you are warp scrambled" audio notification went... I must have a corrupted install or something... surely CCP wouldn't remove that gem!
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Aphrodite Skripalle
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Posted - 2009.12.24 23:22:00 -
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Some time ago you had much better acoustic and visual effects to see yourself being warpscrambled. We have nice marvelous new grafic on planets, which is pretty useless gimmicks for real gameplay. I dont understand why the grafical effect on such important issue is now nearly unvisible. You can even hear nothing. This was different in the past. There is just a little icon to see yourself being in trouble.
There is need to fix that soon. It would help a lot if you hear a loud sound and at least the old visual effect clearly. I support this.
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Helen Highwater
Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.12.24 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jerid Verges
If there is something in the overview that is suppose to notify me I'm being scambled, I sure as hell don't know where it is. So yes, it is very reasonable I'd miss it.
Whenever a ship has any kind of targeted EWAR (including warp scrams and disruptors) on you you get an icon on the far right of your overview next to that ship showing you what effect is active on you. It's about as clear as it can be unless you're somehow running missions with your overview minimised?
Originally by: Jerid Verges
There's no tutorial on warp scambling? Not even a page in Evelopedia or the knowledge base?
Apart from this page you mean?
Originally by: Jerid Verges
CCP has a lot. A LOT of broken features. Stop spending time making our ships look even MORE futury and just fix some of these nuisances.
Your failure to pay attention to your overview is not really a 'broken feature'.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Undivided
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Posted - 2009.12.25 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 25/12/2009 00:02:54
Quote: There's no tutorial on warp scambling? Not even a page in Evelopedia or the knowledge base?
you got to level 4 missions and didn't know that you can be warp scrambled?
eBayed account, or just naive?
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Niko Takahashi
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Posted - 2009.12.25 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Xerox Well, it is clear but... not very.
On the right had side of your HUD there's an indicator of any EW being used against you. Unfortunately it does not have it's own little column space so if there is any text there at all you can't see anything.
I vote for having an remote effects (ECM or Repair, ect) in their own column that's clear of other clutter so you can actually see who is doing what to you!
This also a I would love to have notification to friendlys as to what are your fleet members doing as far as ew to enemies. Who is jamming painting who if he has cycle or not would make coordination of ew for FC much easier.
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Helen Highwater
Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.12.25 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Xerox Well, it is clear but... not very.
On the right had side of your HUD there's an indicator of any EW being used against you. Unfortunately it does not have it's own little column space so if there is any text there at all you can't see anything.
I vote for having an remote effects (ECM or Repair, ect) in their own column that's clear of other clutter so you can actually see who is doing what to you!
All you need to do is to drag your overview window wide enough (or make the columns narrow enough) that there's a small bit of blank space down the right hand side. Et Voila! No more visibility problems. --------------------------------------------------------------
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2009.12.25 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever you get a big message in the middle of the screen telling you "... started started warp scrambling you"
and you have the nice icon in your overview, something you always look at to lock more targets.
and you managed to miss *both*?
Seriously..... it's not an issue. Sure it could be made more apparent... but I never had a problem with it. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
FU22
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.12.25 19:36:00 -
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last time i checked the call for shooting things in lvl 4s was points and ewar and then dps then everything else....
So why on earth you weren't looking for the ships pointing you is beyond me.
Not a problem, adapt or die well you already did die but still you get my point
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VCBee 2fast2furious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.12.26 13:38:00 -
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No issue here, the scrambler notification on the overview is perfectly clear (unless you havent turned it on, in which case you're kinda dumb and should fix that).
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Arcane Azmadi
First Flying Wing Inc Primary.
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Posted - 2009.12.30 02:37:00 -
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While it's not a MAJOR flaw, there's no reason why it can't be fixed with a very simple solution: when you are first scrambled (or, if you have stabs, when scram strength exceeds your warp strength) you should get an Aura announcement "Your warp drive is disabled." When you have cleared all the scrambling you should get another clear announcement "Your warp drive is online again." Even better, this should also apply when you're in a bubble, so you get notified the instant you're clear of it.
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Anna Kommenos
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Posted - 2009.12.30 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Highwater
Your failure to pay attention to your overview is not really a 'broken feature'.
this. in lvl4 missions i long since decided it should be s.o.p to kill frigates first because they are the ones that will kill you. i have imparted this knowledge to the people ive got into playing the game....you see the genius of this stratagem is that the frigates cant scramble you if they are wrecks...it makes missions eminently more survivable. i am doing you a favour by imparting this secret to you, make use of it.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.12.30 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi While it's not a MAJOR flaw, there's no reason why it can't be fixed with a very simple solution: when you are first scrambled (or, if you have stabs, when scram strength exceeds your warp strength) you should get an Aura announcement "Your warp drive is disabled." When you have cleared all the scrambling you should get another clear announcement "Your warp drive is online again." Even better, this should also apply when you're in a bubble, so you get notified the instant you're clear of it.
I agree.
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TimMc
Gallente Extradition
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Posted - 2009.12.30 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 25/12/2009 00:02:54
Quote: There's no tutorial on warp scambling? Not even a page in Evelopedia or the knowledge base?
you got to level 4 missions and didn't know that you can be warp scrambled?
eBayed account, or just naive?
You don't get warp scrambled before level 4s. I remember before the overview icons I lost a dominix when I got scrambled.
But now we have the lovely overview icons, and the OP needs to stop whining.
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Xyla Kador
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Posted - 2009.12.30 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jerid Verges
Originally by: darius mclever you get a big message in the middle of the screen telling you "... started started warp scrambling you"
and you have the nice icon in your overview, something you always look at to lock more targets.
and you managed to miss *both*?
When you have roughly 15 small rats shooting at you, 5 bigger ones. And you're launching your own volleys, trying to maintain optimal range while controlling drones. 1 little (and yes. very little) message is going to disappear into the mounting notifications of misses hits and damage taken.
In fact, I couldn't even figure out why I wasn't warping until I mashed my "Warp to" button as fast as possible until I could get the "You can't warp" message.
If there is something in the overview that is suppose to notify me I'm being scambled, I sure as hell don't know where it is. So yes, it is very reasonable I'd miss it.
There's no tutorial on warp scambling? Not even a page in Evelopedia or the knowledge base?
CCP has a lot. A LOT of broken features. Stop spending time making our ships look even MORE futury and just fix some of these nuisances.
If I haven't been clear enough in my proposal.
1. Knowledge base and Evelopedia need to be rehauled. Not just with an article on Warp Scrambling. They are missing whole bunches of info.
2. There needs to be an ingame tutorial on warp scambling. In fact. Warp scrambling should be part of the very beginning tutorial for new players.
3. There needs to be a 'history' of sorts. Like a log, where you can readily look back on notifications (Hits, misses, damage, EWAR) that has been flashed at you in the past 2 seconds that you didn't see because you're being gang spammed.
4. Messages automated on local by the game need to be shown somewhere else. I don't know a soul who actually keeps local in their screen, they're either in corp/private chat or have that window closed althogether to save space.
U could turn off damage notifications in the ESC menu
i for one found it rather pointless to know how much they hit me for since i tanked everything anyway...wasted space for me so i just left MY dmg to see if maybe im getting missed hits or if im actually hitting that cruiser rly up close to me
another thing is that in response to number 3...there is....its called the "log", check up and down ur neocom for it....its there....ive actually hot keyed it to alt L so that i can pop it up right when i get a huge hit with my guns i wanna brag about or if i get a funny session change message ^^
EVERYTHING that pops up in that little black box in the center of the screen will be logged (note that the log will reset after a session change but all ur logs are saved to My Documents/EVE/Logs/Gamelogs)
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.12.30 19:21:00 -
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The easiest thing would be to change the "unknown" (I think this is what it displays) on the EW bar to display what type of EW is being used again you (as it is already shown on the overview, this shouldn't be a problem).
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.12.30 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 25/12/2009 00:02:54
Quote: There's no tutorial on warp scambling? Not even a page in Evelopedia or the knowledge base?
you got to level 4 missions and didn't know that you can be warp scrambled?
eBayed account, or just naive?
You don't get warp scrambled before level 4s. I remember before the overview icons I lost a dominix when I got scrambled.
But now we have the lovely overview icons, and the OP needs to stop whining.
you get even warp scrambled in *think* lvl2 and lvl3 missions.
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Yourdoom
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Posted - 2009.12.31 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Yourdoom on 31/12/2009 12:08:20 /signed
quick fix , just as there's a buttion with move items with broadcast to top of overview there should be one with move items with warp scaramble effects on top.
Things are ok with 3-4 targets , but when your overview is filled well that's when **** hit's the fan and you just dot know what is doing what to you.
It's both usefull in pvp and pve, and not an overpowering feature.
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Grarr Wrexx
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Posted - 2010.01.01 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Xerox Well, it is clear but... not very.
On the right had side of your HUD there's an indicator of any EW being used against you. Unfortunately it does not have it's own little column space so if there is any text there at all you can't see anything.
I vote for having an remote effects (ECM or Repair, ect) in their own column that's clear of other clutter so you can actually see who is doing what to you!
Keep some space open after your last column? It's not that hard.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2010.01.01 13:23:00 -
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IT needs work because: the icon is small, and warp scram is the single most important thing in eve after guns. There is no way to know if you are scrammed or disrupted. If i have two targets with points on me, but one of them is disrupted, their is no way for me to know which one i need to kill to get my mwd working. Their is no way of knowing how many points i Have on me. The target could have a single point on me, or could have 16, both visual effects and notifications will be the same. That needs work. Honestly, same goes for other types of e-war as well, but warp scramming is the single most important one. So i suggest, say, warp scramming icon next to your propulsion UI (the one where you set your speed), that appears when you are scrammed. And if you put mouse over it, it says who is scramming you and for how many points.
Also, i suggest that on the overview, when you put your mouse over the e-war icons, it says how0much e-war is on you. for example x3 means he has put 3 webbers on me.
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Seamus Donohue
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Posted - 2010.01.04 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Arcane Azmadi While it's not a MAJOR flaw, there's no reason why it can't be fixed with a very simple solution: when you are first scrambled (or, if you have stabs, when scram strength exceeds your warp strength) you should get an Aura announcement "Your warp drive is disabled." When you have cleared all the scrambling you should get another clear announcement "Your warp drive is online again." Even better, this should also apply when you're in a bubble, so you get notified the instant you're clear of it.
I support this suggestion. __________________________________________________ Survivor of Teskanen, fan of John Rourke. |
McEivalley
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.04 23:04:00 -
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@ OP - You are not very good at eve. Actually, you're very bad at eve. I suggest you reconsider your subscription. Being warp scrambled for 10 minutes and not noticing it on your overview doesn't mean that you should get a pop-up with a dismissal "ok" button to realize you cannot warp.
Motion denied.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.01.05 02:28:00 -
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Agreed.
To all the naysayers:
Yes, you do get warnings, but they are not significant. Being warp disrupted is a very important matter in this game because it is responsible for almost all ship losses. The notification that you should receive should be proportional to its significance. Currently, you only get two warnings, one of them; a short message in the middle of your screen that can get easily flooded by weapon damage notifications. Another, the tiny 13x13 pixel icon on the edge of your overview. In my opinion, the warnings should be more visible.
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