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Dealer bob Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2010.01.03 12:47:00 - [61] Quote: Originally by: RainsdonCharacters are made through dedication, time and of one's skill - not isk. Supported. agreed. just abandon the character sales. screw you people that sell and buy chars to amass your isk in game. some of us EARN it by playing the game. RMT via char transfers will do serious harm. much more so than character transfers been dragged ( underground ) as someone said. simple thing is this. so many people are only trading chars etc simply because ccp is making it so damn easy & legal to do.
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.01.03 13:12:00 - [62] Outright stopping character sales would be a doubtful move and I'm unsure of the exact implications. But nonetheless, something needs to be done. When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2010.01.03 14:50:00 - [63] Supported
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.01.03 19:09:00 - [64] Originally by: Sokratesz Outright stopping character sales would be a doubtful move and I'm unsure of the exact implications. But nonetheless, something needs to be done. Thank you for the support. Far too many people are being struck down with scams, hacking, banning with no justification and character rip-off schemes. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Bel'shamharoth	Posted - 2010.01.03 19:17:00 - [65] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not a fig plucker or a fig plucker's son, but I'll pluck figs till the fig plucking's done.
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.01.03 21:45:00 - [66] You can find some discussion about this in the minutes of today's CSM meeting as soon as they're posted. We didn't have the material or time to formulate an all-in solution but we will be taking this to CCP. When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Jennifer Celeste	Posted - 2010.01.04 00:38:00 - [67]
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.01.04 04:18:00 - [68] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Sokratesz Outright stopping character sales would be a doubtful move and I'm unsure of the exact implications. But nonetheless, something needs to be done. Thank you for the support. Far too many people are being struck down with scams, hacking, banning with no justification and character rip-off schemes. Then why not come up with a plan to stop the scammers and hackers, instead of ruining it for the legitimate 99%?
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.01.04 09:12:00 - [69] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Then why not come up with a plan to stop the scammers and hackers, instead of ruining it for the legitimate 99%? Don't forget that we find ourselves in a very privileged position, being able to trade characters and real money for in-game valuta. I am sure that I;m not the first to say that without these two mechanisms, eve would be a different and possibly better game. When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Aineko Macx	Posted - 2010.01.04 11:52:00 - [70] Originally by: Sokratesz Outright stopping character sales would be a doubtful move and I'm unsure of the exact implications. You know... if you disagree with the proposed change, you shouldn't support it, even more so if you propose a different one

Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.01.04 17:46:00 - [71] Originally by: Sokratesz Don't forget that we find ourselves in a very privileged position, being able to trade characters and real money for in-game valuta. I am sure that I;m not the first to say that without these two mechanisms, eve would be a different and possibly better game. It's nice to see there's someone on the CSM who's likeminded. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.01.04 18:32:00 - [72] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Then why not come up with a plan to stop the scammers and hackers, instead of ruining it for the legitimate 99%? Don't forget that we find ourselves in a very privileged position, being able to trade characters and real money for in-game valuta. I am sure that I;m not the first to say that without these two mechanisms, eve would be a different and possibly better game. No, I'm sure you're not the first to say it. Doesn't change the fact that I completely disagree, or the fact that CCP disagrees as well.
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.01.04 19:37:00 - [73] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Then why not come up with a plan to stop the scammers and hackers, instead of ruining it for the legitimate 99%? Don't forget that we find ourselves in a very privileged position, being able to trade characters and real money for in-game valuta. I am sure that I;m not the first to say that without these two mechanisms, eve would be a different and possibly better game. No, I'm sure you're not the first to say it. Doesn't change the fact that I completely disagree, or the fact that CCP disagrees as well. You only disagree with the last two words of my statement then. I always have and always be against the sillyness that is GTC->ISK, and in that same way, ISK->CHARS is exactly the same, namely buying your way into a game so that skill doesn't matter any more. I'm proud to say I'm a self made man, I own a titan, a mothership and four characters (three trained up from scratch) and I did all that without spending a single euro on anything other than subscription and a fanfest trip, and there are many people who are many times richer than I am because they are smarter or can spend more time. So the mechanisms aren't needed by any means, people do fine without them. When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.01.04 19:40:00 - [74] Originally by: Aineko Macx Originally by: Sokratesz Outright stopping character sales would be a doubtful move and I'm unsure of the exact implications. You know... if you disagree with the proposed change, you shouldn't support it, even more so if you propose a different one Amendments can be made before it's brought up. It's not like CCP or the CSM make any decisions based off the exact wording of a request in a forum thread. When will TQ hit the 100K PCU mark? Place a bet!
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.01.04 22:55:00 - [75] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Originally by: Sokratesz Don't forget that we find ourselves in a very privileged position, being able to trade characters and real money for in-game valuta. I am sure that I;m not the first to say that without these two mechanisms, eve would be a different and possibly better game. No, I'm sure you're not the first to say it. Doesn't change the fact that I completely disagree, or the fact that CCP disagrees as well. You only disagree with the last two words of my statement then. I always have and always be against the sillyness that is GTC->ISK, and in that same way, ISK->CHARS is exactly the same, namely buying your way into a game so that skill doesn't matter any more. I'm proud to say I'm a self made man, I own a titan, a mothership and four characters (three trained up from scratch) and I did all that without spending a single euro on anything other than subscription and a fanfest trip, and there are many people who are many times richer than I am because they are smarter or can spend more time. So the mechanisms aren't needed by any means, people do fine without them. Well yeah, I only disagree with the last two words, but that's the core of your statement. USD(or EUR, if that's your thing) -> ISK trade is brilliant - if it wasn't for the inevitability of abuse(macroing, exploits, etc.), I'd favour allowing unfettered two-way trade. I'd love to see a proper forex market in fictional currencies, it'd make my inner economist very happy. And yes, people can do without them. I've never bought isk(though I do sell it, I fund two accounts through PLEX), nor have I ever traded characters. Most of the ultra-rich players I know are in the same boat with the exception of maybe the odd sale of an extraneous industry alt. But for people with more money than time, it's great. They can get what they need to play and outsource the grinding to some cultural studies major with more time than money. It's win-win, and instead of providing an incentive to macro, it cuts the knees out from under people who want to make a RL living by being an Eve miner.
nirana Destructive Influence	Posted - 2010.01.10 23:02:00 - [76] please !


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