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romid sparx	Posted - 2009.12.26 21:20:00 - [1] hi all seems someones been bzy over xmas logged back in to find myself in totally different region and cleaned out may or may not be related but i recently installed eve-meep v3 which flagged on my antivirus program as suspicious. I know this program is widely used reading the forums which is why i was steered to it but as said it may or may not be related. I also have contracts for large amounts of isk and items around 15.30 and and e-mail offering 3 bil for my account. cant go into too much detail here for obvious reasons but be carefull out there all. petition raised. Sparx...
zoltare Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.26 22:38:00 - [2] I appear to be in the same boat as you, this morning my account was hacked and I logged in to find myself in my pod with a nearly empty wallet. I have never heard of eve-meep so don't think it was that.
LittleTerror Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.26 22:47:00 - [3] Edited by: LittleTerror on 26/12/2009 22:48:01 You people are idiots, I'm sorry but you're are and I get sick of cleaning idiots computers.... I have no idea why or what you have been infected with but you will want to give you self a kick in the ass because it will be 100% your own fault.
Papoila	Posted - 2009.12.26 22:50:00 - [4] did u guys participate in the igb contest from pod splatter on the main eve page ? my mate got his acc hacked shortly after participating in the contest, just a heads up, ccp hasnt replied to customer support yet so cant confirm this atm
romid sparx	Posted - 2009.12.26 22:54:00 - [5] hi thanks for that your quite right i will kick myself in the arse but i didnt really need to hear it from you right now. as the person above hasnt got the program which was my latest install maybe i can rule that out. this means it could have been some sort of brute force password attack which is not easy to defend against.. I have paid for anti-virus and internet security programs, this is the only non microsft or otherwise big name application my computer runs so how that makes me an idiot im not aware..
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.12.26 23:07:00 - [6] Originally by: LittleTerror Edited by: LittleTerror on 26/12/2009 22:48:01 You people are idiots, [...] you're are People in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks... _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.12.26 23:25:00 - [7] Since you know what a brute force attack is, you should probably know better than this, but do you use your EVE login/password combination or one/both parts for other site accounts, perhaps even EVE related websites/utilities?
Lord Windu Amarr	Posted - 2009.12.26 23:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Boltorano Since you know what a brute force attack is, you should probably know better than this, but do you use your EVE login/password combination or one/both parts for other site accounts, perhaps even EVE related websites/utilities? I wonder how many people have registered on isk selling sites using the same login details as on eve. ------
zoltare Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.26 23:32:00 - [9] Edited by: zoltare on 26/12/2009 23:33:59 Thanks for the comments about me being an idiot, You know what I am sick of? People thinking that because they know how to run an antivirus they are better than everyone else. Just to let you know I run Eve on a Mac with an antivirus program, ip address filtering, and have an enterprise class firewall running in front of my network, and in case you hadn't hear mac's don't get viruses. So in the future before you start calling people stupid maybe you should get some education and quit your job at the geek squad and then you won't have to clean peoples computers anymore. And no I do not use the same password for any of my online accounts, I randomly generate passwords for anything I do online.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2009.12.26 23:35:00 - [10] You would have thought that Eve players, who should have the motto 'trust no-one' on their hearts would not be so susceptible to phishing attacks. It won't be eve-meep, it is more likely to be an ISK seller. My advice is not to use the same username/password in future when you are buying your ISK.
Dagonollach	Posted - 2009.12.26 23:39:00 - [11] If the generated passwords are any good (long, numbers, no words you can look up in a dictionary) , bruteforce attacks are very unlikely. You propably have a trojan then. Maybe you should do a hijackthis and stuff like that. Sucks to have your account hacked, hope you havent lost too much.
Mahai Ano Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.12.27 00:15:00 - [12] Originally by: zoltare [...] and in case you hadn't hear mac's don't get viruses. [...] Yeeeeeah, riiiight. Been away long? Check news often? Nah, if you really generate passwords and don't use the same user/pass anywhere, you have a nice lil' friend on your "no viruses" mac. QED
Lady Aja Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.27 00:16:00 - [13] Originally by: zoltare Edited by: zoltare on 26/12/2009 23:33:59 Thanks for the comments about me being an idiot, You know what I am sick of? People thinking that because they know how to run an antivirus they are better than everyone else. Just to let you know I run Eve on a Mac with an antivirus program, ip address filtering, and have an enterprise class firewall running in front of my network, and in case you hadn't hear mac's don't get viruses. I guess what ever you did , DIDN't work, next time weary what sites you goto and buy isk from or use dumb ass apps from. you should never have to use more than you api, eft and eve mon at the very most.
romid sparx	Posted - 2009.12.27 00:35:00 - [14] thanks for replys fortunately i work for a corp and my loss wasnt as gr8 as it could have been as i work as part of a team and I did save my account. seems someone else got scammed by my account tho logged in and had this convo :- 1 > o/ 1> sup man, do you have the timer for leaving the corp? 2 > yeh alls well remind me what we agreed 1 > hm? 2 > the price was 3 bill right 1 > i already paid 1 > :x 2> you dropped out there ? 1 > god damnit , i just want to minimize the window 1 > 2 many windows open =) 1 > ya bo price was 3 bill 1 > and i already paid 2 > lol so how we making the transfer through ccp or you gonna take over the username and password 1 > just transfer the char on my acc 2 > the 3 bill you pay to this account ? 1 > ya i did 2 > what time just checkin again soz we got multiple users on this account right now 1 > moment 2 > 16:37 1 > was the evetime 2 > got it player donation in the log are you sitting at the mo ? 1 > sorry? 2 > are you sitting down ? 1 > if its a scam i'll get the money back from the gm's 1 > and that acc will get be banned 2 > tell me where did a 2009 character get 3 bil isk ??. this ur alt 1 > 0.0 is the key 1 > so 1 > could u tell me please the eta for the char? 2 > have to teach me well im sorry to be the bearer of bad news but weve both been screwed this is the REAL owner of this account and ive already petitioned that my account was hacked and recorded this convo so i hope you are innocent in all of this 1 > see this thread im romid http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1240056 2 > i,ll help all i can hopefully we,ll both be reimburssed 1 > so i think the money is gone, or? 2 > my whole inventory and isk has been cleaned out :( 1 > send me the money back, or i'll write a petition 2 > only by luck i got to the account b4 he transferred to u 2 > please send a petition it will help my case 2 > can i send you an eve mail with my journal entries 1 > sure u can 2 > it may or may not help im really sorry u got screwed too but as it wasnt the real owner of the account i dunno how i can make ammends 1 > btw u know acc sharing is forbidden 2 > to be honest that was my excuse for not knowing about the transfer i had no idea what you had agreed cos it wasnt me 2 > for all i know could be you involved but since the payment is in the log i figured your prolly scammed too 2 > howd ya copy the journal ? 1 > dunno 1 > i'll create a peti 1 > and post that convo into the peti 2 > cc theres two in from me already 1 > whatever 1 > cya names changed for obvious reasons
Lady Aja Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.27 00:51:00 - [15] someone is seriusly ****ed. oh well.. life in the big city i guess..
Trisa Li	Posted - 2009.12.27 01:39:00 - [16] Well, Zoltare. Since your computer is completely secure and you never do anything that would endanger your password.... Maybe you should use a random password generator that doesn't include "aaaa" If you knew anything about brute force you'd realize that the implication here is of a database compromise. IF your security is as you say it is. <sarcasm> You should definitely contact ccp immediately to tell them of this OBVIOUS database compromise. Clearly since so many EVE players have been experiencing "hacked" accounts on "secure" computers there is a serious issue at hand. </sarcasm> It boils down to either human error, or else none of you have changed your passwords in years of brute force running against your account. Do the math.
romid sparx	Posted - 2009.12.27 01:47:00 - [17] wow so much anger my password obviously wasnt secure enough one of my mistakes was my username is the same as my character name and my password was a combination of 5 numbers in hindsight an error but ive changed it if you want me to say it i will yes im stupid, yes its my fault.. doesnt make it right tho does it ?.. Im only posting here to warn others of my mistakes so go on give me a good kicking if its makes ya feel better :)..
Tallaran Kouros Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.27 02:29:00 - [18] Originally by: zoltare in case you hadn't hear mac's don't get viruses. Yes they do. Quote: So in the future before you start calling people stupid maybe you should get some education and quit your job at the geek squad and then you won't have to clean peoples computers anymore. e-peen issues much? :(
UVPhoenix2 R.EVE.olutioN Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.12.27 02:46:00 - [19] Edited by: UVPhoenix2 on 27/12/2009 02:46:12 Step 1: Go to http://clsc.net/tools/random-string-generator.php Step 2: Check all boxes. Step 3: Get Strings. Step 4: Pick one and write it down. Use it as your new Eve password. Proceed to trolling Yahoo answers when you are finished. Consider it a cultural victory. ___ After I'm gone, your Earth will be free to live out its miserable span of existence, as one of my satellites, and that's how it's going to be.
Omg Corn Gallente Zorp Corp	Posted - 2009.12.27 02:56:00 - [20] Why use a randomly generated string? Passphrases are much easier to remember. Pick something that is relevant to you - I like to skydive so one of my computer passwords used to be skydivingisfun. Virtually uncrackable by brute force and I don't have to save it anywhere to remember.
Fan Shu	Posted - 2009.12.27 05:35:00 - [21] Originally by: romid sparx ....my password was a combination of 5 numbers..... 'Spaceballs' anyone?
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.27 05:38:00 - [22] Originally by: Fan Shu Originally by: romid sparx ....my password was a combination of 5 numbers..... 'Spaceballs' anyone? Hope it's not teh same combination as my luggage Originally by: a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
zoltare Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.27 06:41:00 - [23] sorry I really didn't mean to start a flame war I was just a little upset that I lost all my junk. I will keep my mouth shut in the future :)
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.12.27 10:17:00 - [24] Panda Cloud antivirus may help evemeep is fine - please OP change that -- EB \| Capital
Zaiyo Modi Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.27 11:53:00 - [25] Hrm, I seem to be missing some ships in my hangar. Or at least I think I do. I have been thinking about this for some time, and I guess the sensible thing is to look through my transactions to confirm the number of say Vagabonds, that I have bought off the market the last six months.
Zaiyo Modi Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.27 11:58:00 - [26] Hrm, wth, the transaction log seem to stop at 27. november?!? Is there a limit to how long one can search back in time?
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.12.27 12:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Zaiyo Modi Hrm, wth, the transaction log seem to stop at 27. november?!? Is there a limit to how long one can search back in time? 30 days -- EB \| Capital
SSteejans	Posted - 2009.12.27 12:40:00 - [28] hmm my other account ended up hacked as well. no viruses, no keyloggers, nothing funny that could have let my password out. my account was temp-banned almost immediately after my account was breached. I put in a petition and they said they somehow knew my account was hacked and banned it to prevent any further damage. I provided all the info they asked for and its been 4 days since i heard from the GM team. and before anyone calls me stupid, i did not click any weird links on the forums and i have a virus scan run daily. _______________ if CCP's logs really never show anything, i have to wonder, do they even have logs?
romid sparx	Posted - 2009.12.27 15:04:00 - [29] been logging in hourly still have my account so im guessing the new password is working up to now.. feeling lucky that i interupted the transfer or i really could have a problem.. seems from the above post im gonna have to wait 3-4 days for a response from the GMs,so just leaving my character in station till i do so they can check whatever it is they check. Sparx..
Serpents smile	Posted - 2009.12.27 15:27:00 - [30] Edited by: Serpents smile on 27/12/2009 15:28:49 I do hope you are absofragginglutely sure the computer you created that new PW on was 100% viri/ keyloggers free, yes? You didn't use the one your account got hacked on in the first place without erasing it?
romid sparx	Posted - 2009.12.27 15:55:00 - [31] have run kapersky vunerability + antivirus scans and adware scans most of the night with up to date signatures. also jacked up my security sliders the only thing found was an potential vunerabilty with a program called safari (its a browser bundled with itunes) which i dont use and a java client vunerabilty which gets a hit on just about every computer i have ever owned. 27/12/2009 00:13:06Detected: http://www.viruslist.com/en/advisories/37346Kaspersky Anti-VirusC:\Program Files (x86)\Safari\Safari.exe 27/12/2009 00:13:06Detected: http://www.viruslist.com/en/advisories/37231Kaspersky Anti-VirusC:\Windows\system32\java.exe i very much doubt its either of those.. Sparx..
vetodel morei	Posted - 2009.12.27 17:18:00 - [32] Originally by: romid sparx have run kapersky vunerability + antivirus scans and adware scans most of the night with up to date signatures. also jacked up my security sliders the only thing found was an potential vunerabilty with a program called safari (its a browser bundled with itunes) which i dont use and a java client vunerabilty which gets a hit on just about every computer i have ever owned. 27/12/2009 00:13:06Detected: http://www.viruslist.com/en/advisories/37346Kaspersky Anti-VirusC:\Program Files (x86)\Safari\Safari.exe 27/12/2009 00:13:06Detected: http://www.viruslist.com/en/advisories/37231Kaspersky Anti-VirusC:\Windows\system32\java.exe i very much doubt its either of those.. Sparx.. Kaspersky is not a very good antivirus program, It likes to detect everything prety much as a virus or similar.... some of the free ones like comodo and avast are allot better
romid sparx	Posted - 2009.12.27 19:02:00 - [33] seems im now getting abuse from multiple players regarding the transfer seems they are gonna report me unless i transfer the character to them ... some geezer named thesaint2000 got all hvy about it Sparx..
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.27 19:24:00 - [34] The general rule of all of tech support is, that the errors sits 30cm before the screen. Also the people who are most vulnerable to hacks and phishing are those who believe that there computers are perfectly safe. I also firmly believe that no private owner computer protected by commercial or freeware anti-virus Software can withstand professional attempts at hacking for long. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
small chimp	Posted - 2009.12.27 19:29:00 - [35] Well what do you think? If someone bruteforces your account name and password how many attemps can he do in a minute? Also doesn't eve prevent you from log in anyway after 10 failed login attemps? odi profanum vulgus et arceo
romid sparx	Posted - 2009.12.27 20:02:00 - [36] Originally by: small chimp Well what do you think? If someone bruteforces your account name and password how many attemps can he do in a minute? Also doesn't eve prevent you from log in anyway after 10 failed login attemps? if i knew the answer to that i prolly wouldnt have lost the account. im kinda hoping someone from ccp picks it up soon or at least lets me know its being looked into then i could let the people who are harrasing me in game about the transfer know its in ccp,s hands. they are saying im gonna lose the account to them ne how wanna start a book on the outcome thing that dont add up is if i hacked into to someones account the first thing id do is change the password so the original owner couldnt get in ??? guess the hacker wasnt so smart after all. Sparx..
romid sparx	Posted - 2009.12.28 12:32:00 - [37] its time like these you start to realise your playing too much eve lol. Im getting to know how many pixels are on the wall of this station ive been hijacked too still logging in the hope someone has looked at this and i can start using the character again.... Sparx
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.12.28 12:44:00 - [38] Originally by: romid sparx its time like these you start to realise your playing too much eve lol. Im getting to know how many pixels are on the wall of this station ive been hijacked too still logging in the hope someone has looked at this and i can start using the character again.... Sparx 1) petition the attack under the correct place [this will stop you logging into the account] 2) wait 3) wait more 4) [well start up a trail account while your waiting] 5) follow the info in the ccp communication's -- \| Capital
romid sparx	Posted - 2009.12.28 12:47:00 - [39] Originally by: RaTTuS Originally by: romid sparx its time like these you start to realise your playing too much eve lol. Im getting to know how many pixels are on the wall of this station ive been hijacked too still logging in the hope someone has looked at this and i can start using the character again.... Sparx 1) petition the attack under the correct place [this will stop you logging into the account] 2) wait 3) wait more 4) [well start up a trail account while your waiting] 5) follow the info in the ccp communication's funny you should mention correct petition place ive got one in lost accounts/passwords and one in exploits not sure if they are the right place ? its not that clear going thru the petition system and it wont let me raise another
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.12.28 13:05:00 - [40] I'm not sure TBH, but make sure you have a good email address attached to the account, I would of thought that should be good enough, just block anyone asking about character transfer [change your bio to reflect this?] as I cannot see any Character bizzarr transfers posts from you so those will have to be bogus] I don't really know much about hacked accounts -- \| Capital
Spurty Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.28 13:26:00 - [41] Pretty much every player that I know that got hacked has either bought or sold (transferred) characters / mods / ships via some out of game auction website. Do not know of anyone that has been hacked that was never active on the forums looking to snag a bargain. Certainly not intending to twist the knife you have in your bellies if this is your situation, just trying to shed some light on this business for those of us mystified as to how this is happening. Not saying this is the only way, but certainly appears to be part of the puzzle. I.e taking part of such activities exposes you as a potential target with lots of isk. Just hope you don't get too upset about it. CCP will not restore your lost modules/ ships, only isk transfers. So keep your expectations nice an low so you aren't dissapointed. Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
romid sparx	Posted - 2009.12.28 13:44:00 - [42] Originally by: Spurty Pretty much every player that I know that got hacked has either bought or sold (transferred) characters / mods / ships via some out of game auction website. Do not know of anyone that has been hacked that was never active on the forums looking to snag a bargain. Certainly not intending to twist the knife you have in your bellies if this is your situation, just trying to shed some light on this business for those of us mystified as to how this is happening. Not saying this is the only way, but certainly appears to be part of the puzzle. I.e taking part of such activities exposes you as a potential target with lots of isk. Just hope you don't get too upset about it. CCP will not restore your lost modules/ ships, only isk transfers. So keep your expectations nice an low so you aren't dissapointed. cheers for the info tbh i,ll be happy if the above scenario occurs so long as ccp confirms the character is still mine, isk can be remade but it took over a year for me to get these skills. .

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