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Elsa Nietzsche	Posted - 2009.12.27 16:58:00 - [1] So I'm looking to build a max dps BS for the purpose of tearing down abandoned hi-sec POSs. I figured max dps, cap stability and minimal ammo usage would be the primary considerations. This lead me to Amarr BS line. Please forgive the following EFT warrioring. After reviewing fits for the Armageddon, Apocalypse, Abaddon and Paladin, I've found the Armageddon to be the best ship for my needs. This setup, with my skills and implants is cap stable and fits. The sustained dps is 1162 not overloaded. This setup does not include the 5% dmg bonus implants to laser and large laser turrents. Highs 7x Tachyon Beam Laser IIs fitted with Gleam L ammo Mids 1x 100MN MWD 2x Cap Recharger IIs Lows 5x Imperial Navy Heat Sinks 1x Capacitor Power Relay II 2x Reactor Control Unit IIs Rigs 3x Large Capacitor Control Unit Is Drones 5x Garde IIs Fitting specifics look like this: 564.25/636.56 CPU 27244.50/27276.56 PG cap stable at 34% I do not know a lot about Amarr ships or energy weapons so I'm hoping you guys could provide input. I've found that while fitting 5 heat sinks does not improve the dmg much over 3, there is still a bonus. I've also found that the 5 heat sinks pretty much negate the bonus of any damage mod rigs, also rigs would break the fitting. Thanks in advance
Incipus	Posted - 2009.12.27 17:44:00 - [2] Max DPS? Torp Raven. Minimal Ammo? Amarr ships. Keep in mind the Raven will always hit at the weakest(0%) resist, but vs a Minmatar tower the Amarr ship runs into 50% EM 25% Thermal. Minmatar towers are kinda common. Even without the resists the Raven out damages amarr by a good margin. Also use Ogre II's rather than Sentry Drones. You're not dealing with a shield, right? Originally by: Elsa Nietzsche So I'm looking to build a max dps BS for the purpose of tearing down abandoned hi-sec POSs. I figured max dps, cap stability and minimal ammo usage would be the primary considerations. This lead me to Amarr BS line. Please forgive the following EFT warrioring. After reviewing fits for the Armageddon, Apocalypse, Abaddon and Paladin, I've found the Armageddon to be the best ship for my needs. This setup, with my skills and implants is cap stable and fits. The sustained dps is 1162 not overloaded. This setup does not include the 5% dmg bonus implants to laser and large laser turrents. Highs 7x Tachyon Beam Laser IIs fitted with Gleam L ammo Mids 1x 100MN MWD 2x Cap Recharger IIs Lows 5x Imperial Navy Heat Sinks 1x Capacitor Power Relay II 2x Reactor Control Unit IIs Rigs 3x Large Capacitor Control Unit Is Drones 5x Garde IIs Fitting specifics look like this: 564.25/636.56 CPU 27244.50/27276.56 PG cap stable at 34% I do not know a lot about Amarr ships or energy weapons so I'm hoping you guys could provide input. I've found that while fitting 5 heat sinks does not improve the dmg much over 3, there is still a bonus. I've also found that the 5 heat sinks pretty much negate the bonus of any damage mod rigs, also rigs would break the fitting. Thanks in advance
Kalnov Gallente Problematique Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.27 18:41:00 - [3] If you plan to afk bash, don't use faction mods.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.12.27 18:58:00 - [4] Use an apoc fitted with pulse. Its the best ship for cap stability and with t1 crystals fitted in the guns you can just leave it chug away forever.
Elstine	Posted - 2009.12.27 19:05:00 - [5] Assuming your attacking a POS that is actually abandoned and will not attract attention when you wardec it, whats the point of a MWD which is reducing your capacitor? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just use standard multi-freq ammo over Gleam and will not break requiring a reload? Wouldn't an abaddon be easier to fit Tachs, larger power grid allowing you to fit an 8th turret (which both Apocalyse and Abaddon can do) for a small ammount of additional damage? Quote: I've also found that the 5 heat sinks pretty much negate the bonus of any damage mod rigs, also rigs would break the fitting. The 5 heatsinks are a waste, 3 tops out most benifits and you could stick more capacitor power relays/tracking enhancers/signal amps in the lows which negate wasting low slots on the same module giving very little ROI. Rigs are dirt cheap now unless your looking at tech 2, you could easily get better benifits to optimum/capictor recovery over a few decimal places for damage. My computer with EVE stuff is currently down, but I would use something like this if you just making a gun platform to smash things and not expect the owner to show up. Abaddon (damage bonus more useful over optimum on the Apocalypse) (highs) 8x tachs with standard ammo multi-freq (mids ) 3x capicitor rech II Alternatively, targeting comp/sensor boost what ever you prefer (lows) 3x heat sink, Reactor control, Cap Power Relays to your needs,
Millie Clode Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2009.12.27 19:57:00 - [6] Edited by: Millie Clode on 27/12/2009 19:58:44 Abaddon: High Mega Pulse Laser II: Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II: Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II: Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II: Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II: Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II: Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II: Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II: Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mid Tracking Computer II: Optimal Range Tracking Computer II: Optimal Range Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Low Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Drones Garde II x 3 Rigs Large Energy Ambit Extension I Large Energy Ambit Extension I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I 1096 DPS, 3971 volley 22+28km range Cap stable at 52% Just make sure that there's no one to going to try and stop you shooting their tower. This fit works if the shield is active aswell, but you'll likely get swatted by the guns if you try it
Elsa Nietzsche	Posted - 2009.12.27 20:45:00 - [7] Thanks for all the replies. I did think I'd start out with T2 stabilizers over the imperial navy. The MWD was for the times when I warp in out of optimal range. This seems less of an issue with lasers but my first ship I setup was a blaster mega which required me to be on top of the POS. I do appreciate the input on other ships/guns/dmg mods but could you post some of the reasoning behind the suggestions? I set up all 4 ships with similar setups (where possible) (tachs and full stabs) and the setup I posted came out to have the highest dps. Am I missing something? What about using faction multifrequency over regular T1 crystals? I chose the gleam cause they were cheaper than the navy crystals and more dps. How do low mods like tracking enhancers affect your dps against a stationary target? Isk is less of a concern than time to me. So higher dps at the cost of a few more mil doesn't bother me a lot. again, thanks much :)
Elstine	Posted - 2009.12.27 22:23:00 - [8] Originally by: Elsa Nietzsche I did think I'd start out with T2 stabilizers over the imperial navy. You mean T2 Heatsinks? stabilizers would be Gyrostabilizers for projectile weapons. Quote: The MWD was for the times when I warp in out of optimal range. This seems less of an issue with lasers but my first ship I setup was a blaster mega which required me to be on top of the POS. Scout with a Tech 1 fast frig (atron for example), 1mn micro warp drive/cap rech in mids and 1 nanofiber/1 overcharge in the lows level 4 skills can make an atron go just over 600ms a second without the MWD on, 3000+ ms a second for about a minute with it on. Find a position and make a bookmark (People/Place tab just under character tab) or bookmark the POS itself (not sure if thats possible ), then warp to opimal distance with a battleship. Tachs with mimimal skills should have 50k optimal or so, not sure after skills and crystals, have only played with EFT on amarr ships. Quote: I do appreciate the input on other ships/guns/dmg mods but could you post some of the reasoning behind the suggestions? I set up all 4 ships with similar setups (where possible) (tachs and full stabs) and the setup I posted came out to have the highest dps. Am I missing something? What about using faction multifrequency over regular T1 crystals? I chose the gleam cause they were cheaper than the navy crystals and more dps. How do low mods like tracking enhancers affect your dps against a stationary target? Tech2 crystals get about 1000 shots and you won't be destroying the towers very quickly, with T1 crystals you can go AFK for a few minutes at a time (assuming you get no response to defend the POS). It shouldn't be about how quickly you take down the POS with the highest DPS but how efficently you do that and that should also take into account that its just plain boring! to destroy an immoble object.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2009.12.27 22:37:00 - [9] Maybe this is showing my ignorance on the subject, but why do you need beams to take out abandoned POSes? Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Elsa Nietzsche	Posted - 2009.12.27 22:54:00 - [10] Edited by: Elsa Nietzsche on 27/12/2009 22:58:22 Edited by: Elsa Nietzsche on 27/12/2009 22:56:38 Originally by: Anubis Xian Maybe this is showing my ignorance on the subject, but why do you need beams to take out abandoned POSes? You don't need beams specifically, but Amarr ships have the advantage of being able to fire many shots without having to carry (much) ammo or reload. If I'm understanding your question correctly. also to Elstine, My plan was to scout with my alt to find my targets. then warp in with my main. and yes, i did mean heat sinks, not stabilizers, thanks for pointing that out. And I do understand this will be boring but it's more isk/hr (depending on the modules i can scoop up) than mining (in hi-sec) :)
Millsy1	Posted - 2009.12.27 23:09:00 - [11] Near as I can tell, the -best- battleship for shooting a pos is a Paladin. I can out do a Torp raven in my Panther with sentry drones and 1200mm T2's, but a Paladin usually almost doubles my damage on a pos shoot if we show up at the same time. They are just ridiculous. They will out DPS a mothership on a pos shoot. The only thing I've seen that beats it is a Dread. One Two
Elsa Nietzsche	Posted - 2009.12.27 23:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Millsy1 Near as I can tell, the -best- battleship for shooting a pos is a Paladin. I can out do a Torp raven in my Panther with sentry drones and 1200mm T2's, but a Paladin usually almost doubles my damage on a pos shoot if we show up at the same time. They are just ridiculous. They will out DPS a mothership on a pos shoot. The only thing I've seen that beats it is a Dread. One Two could you give me an estimate on your dps? I couldn't reach 1162 dps on the paladin with amarr BS V and marauder IV
Bibbleibble	Posted - 2009.12.27 23:27:00 - [13] Originally by: Millsy1 I can out do a Torp raven in my Panther with sentry drones and 1200mm T2's Sorry to derail the thread, but how on earth have you managed that with a panther!?!
Forranz Malice. Tentative Nature	Posted - 2009.12.28 00:09:00 - [14] You could also consider looking into a Nightmare with T2 Tachs or T2 Pulse.
Millsy1	Posted - 2009.12.28 00:30:00 - [15] Edited by: Millsy1 on 28/12/2009 00:33:08 Originally by: Bibbleibble Originally by: Millsy1 I can out do a Torp raven in my Panther with sentry drones and 1200mm T2's Sorry to derail the thread, but how on earth have you managed that with a panther!?! Have a look at the Panther's bonus. It can do more DPS than a Tempest, as it has the same 5 turret slots, and gets the same bonuses, but has the standard Typhoon drone bay. Still it's not the actual DPS that pushes me over the top, it's the fact that I can hold 5 T2 sentry drones, and I don't have to reload anywhere near as often as the torp raven. with 1200's, they hold 40 shots of EMP, so I'm still shooting while the torp raven has to reload twice. It only works on long shoots like POS's or stations of course, they would out damage me on smaller stuff like battleships and carriers. Also, when shooting a pos, always go with 1200's instead of 1400's, with 5 guns, you lose a whole 7 DPS, but the faster cycle times and less reloading bring you out ahead again.
Napro Caldari Galactic Space Corps	Posted - 2009.12.28 00:52:00 - [16] I call bull****. Nothing can out-DPS a CNR. 1500 DPS achievable by switching out a few BCUII's for CN BCUs and even more if you add in some rigs. Reload time is hardly a factor... you lose maybe a volley per reload. Wow big deal 1/20th of ur damage lost on a reload. Post your setup if you disagree
Millsy1	Posted - 2009.12.28 01:03:00 - [17] I said a torp Raven. Nothing about a CNR. And there is nothing I need to post other than the killmails. It doesn't matter how much DPS EFT says you do, if I end up doing more on the killmail.
Napro Caldari Galactic Space Corps	Posted - 2009.12.28 01:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Millsy1 I said a torp Raven. Nothing about a CNR. And there is nothing I need to post other than the killmails. It doesn't matter how much DPS EFT says you do, if I end up doing more on the killmail. What do killmails have to do with DPS? Lol? There are other factors in PVP, numbnuts. Tank/Skill/Drones Quit posting, NOW!
Millsy1	Posted - 2009.12.28 01:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Napro Originally by: Millsy1 I said a torp Raven. Nothing about a CNR. And there is nothing I need to post other than the killmails. It doesn't matter how much DPS EFT says you do, if I end up doing more on the killmail. What do killmails have to do with DPS? Lol? There are other factors in PVP, numbnuts. Tank/Skill/Drones Quit posting, NOW! LoL... Ok gg reading comprehension! On a thread about taking down abandoned pos's, you are bringing up tanking? Thanks tips.
Napro Caldari Galactic Space Corps	Posted - 2009.12.28 01:32:00 - [20] Originally by: Millsy1 Originally by: Napro Originally by: Millsy1 I said a torp Raven. Nothing about a CNR. And there is nothing I need to post other than the killmails. It doesn't matter how much DPS EFT says you do, if I end up doing more on the killmail. What do killmails have to do with DPS? Lol? There are other factors in PVP, numbnuts. Tank/Skill/Drones Quit posting, NOW! LoL... Ok gg reading comprehension! On a thread about taking down abandoned pos's, you are bringing up tanking? Thanks tips. You must be a woman... since your entire goal here is to continue posting nonsense until I give up and go away. 1) Thread OP asks for Max DPS BS 2) You suggest a T2 BS 3) I tell you a faction BS will beat the crap out of your ship dps wise 4) You whine about a faction BS not being a T1 BS, and hence isn't allowed. (Still can't figure this one out) 5) You boast about killing T1 BS's with your T2 BS (Wow,,, you're so cool) 6) I tell you DPS is not the only factor in deciding who gets a kill mail. 7) You tell me to shutup and stop talking about PVP 8) I lol and walk away from thread
Elsa Nietzsche	Posted - 2009.12.28 01:32:00 - [21] again, thanks for all the replies. Napro, could you post the 1500 dps setup for the CNR? Again though, a limiting factor causing me avoid caldari ships is the ammo logistics and having to keep watch to re-initiate the attack after reloads.
Mysteriax Scoopex Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.12.28 01:59:00 - [22] Edited by: Mysteriax on 28/12/2009 02:02:48 Highest damaging T1 Battleship is the typhoon. Overloaded it can reach 1642 DPS. Without overload it can reach 1462 dps. But in the end ammo will be a problem. Not to mention all the skills you need are quite insane. Gunnery missles and drones at max takes ages :(
Napro Caldari Galactic Space Corps	Posted - 2009.12.28 02:21:00 - [23] Edited by: Napro on 28/12/2009 02:25:03 Originally by: Mysteriax In fact I reckon it can do more dps then a CNR. Nope, Sorry m8 [Raven Navy Issue, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo [empty high slot] Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Garde II x3 1623 DPS If you had in an Ion Blaster Cannon II... you're lookin at close to 1700DPS. Of course, that would require some gunnery skills
Millsy1	Posted - 2009.12.28 02:54:00 - [24] 1) Thread OP asks for Max DPS BS -- yes 2) You suggest a T2 BS -- yes 3) I tell you a faction BS will beat the crap out of your ship dps wise -- Sure, fair enough, I never claimed otherwise 4) You whine about a faction BS not being a T1 BS, and hence isn't allowed. (Still can't figure this one out) -- Because all I said, was the panther could do more damage to a pos than a Raven, I never claimed it could beat a CNR. And I've never compared a Paladin (which I can't fly, all my experience is with them doing more DPS than me TO A POS) 5) You boast about killing T1 BS's with your T2 BS (Wow,,, you're so cool) --- Umm where did I say that, unless you mean when I said I can do more damage to a pos than a torp raven can. 6) I tell you DPS is not the only factor in deciding who gets a kill mail. --- It is when it's an unarmed or offline pos (I would never bring a shield tanking Panther to a pos that could shoot back) 7) You tell me to shutup and stop talking about PVP -- yes, because shooting an offline or unarmed pos isn't really a 'pvp' thing 8) I lol and walk away from thread -- Ok, fine, then next time don't come in with the first words "i call bulls**t" after not reading the actual responces.
Elsa Nietzsche	Posted - 2009.12.28 03:07:00 - [25] the posted setups are very interesting. I had no idea this kind of dps was possible from a BS. However, an earlier poster suggested Orge IIs over Garde IIs. Can anyone provide me a definitive answer as to which will add the most dps? thanks
Millsy1	Posted - 2009.12.28 03:31:00 - [26] Originally by: Elsa Nietzsche the posted setups are very interesting. I had no idea this kind of dps was possible from a BS. However, an earlier poster suggested Orge IIs over Garde IIs. Can anyone provide me a definitive answer as to which will add the most dps? thanks For shooting a pos, it will depend on what race, whichever pos has a resistance to the type of damage a garde II does, use the Ogre II's and vice versa.
Marketing Agent	Posted - 2009.12.28 03:39:00 - [27] Both do thermal damage, Ogre IIs do more base dps but Garde IIs can get a nice bonus from rigs which puts them before Ogre IIs in terms of dps.
Millsy1	Posted - 2009.12.28 03:43:00 - [28] Oh Right. my bad. I wasn't reading and just thought they were both sentrys. oops.
Amanda Mor	Posted - 2009.12.28 08:57:00 - [29] Originally by: Napro Edited by: Napro on 28/12/2009 02:25:03 Originally by: Mysteriax In fact I reckon it can do more dps then a CNR. Nope, Sorry m8 [Raven Navy Issue, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo [empty high slot] Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Garde II x3 1623 DPS If you had in an Ion Blaster Cannon II... you're lookin at close to 1700DPS. Of course, that would require some gunnery skills Not that I really care about this topic, but: The posted Typhoon fit (ll lvl 5 char, EFT #'s) - 1705DPS The posted CNR fit (all lvl 5 char, EFT #'s) - 1623DPS According to my math, 1,705 is a slightly higher number than 1,623. You may want to check over what other people post before assuming they're wrong and getting all offended when someone pooh-poohs your CNR...
Emperor Ryan Amarr Imperial Syndicate Forces Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.12.28 12:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Napro Originally by: Millsy1 I said a torp Raven. Nothing about a CNR. And there is nothing I need to post other than the killmails. It doesn't matter how much DPS EFT says you do, if I end up doing more on the killmail. What do killmails have to do with DPS? Lol? There are other factors in PVP, numbnuts. Tank/Skill/Drones Quit posting, NOW! You're obviosuly not as clever as you wish you were.on paper, The Raven or CNR does the most dps (Provided you can use rage torps or afford DG torps. Here's what you forgot to factor in.Gunswe can hit, Excellently getting up to a x3 damage modification on a single shot. thanks to the target being a HUGE imoble Pos. You get those Good shots offten. did a forget to mention, you can also afk with an amarr ship =] - Emperor

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