I think the minmatar faction leader would be sad that one of his own FW members would purposely blow up freighter loads of his own precious items that could have been used to help the faction war effort. Role playing is truely dead in EVE....

:(

i think it's very much alive, actually.

this game brings out the most sly, underhand, and interesting parts of a person's character.
between the anonymity of the internet, and the game's design almost rewarding ******* people over it lets you be that devious person you probably can't be in the real world.

i think it's very much alive, actually.

this game brings out the most sly, underhand, and interesting parts of a person's character.
between the anonymity of the internet, and the game's design almost rewarding ******* people over it lets you be that devious person you probably can't be in the real world.

How many of you have toons in CFC and say, Raiden and have them actually blowing each other up?

What goes around, turns around, be glad yourself that Darwin has not put his gaze on you yet.

Spies

I guess you missed this part:

(aside for the whole espionage aspect.. but of course, the OP wasn't doing anything of that nature)

I guess you missed this part:

(aside for the whole espionage aspect.. but of course, the OP wasn't doing anything of that nature)

Fascinating.

So far in this thread you have told me you are orchestrating some scheme to have me banned, you have told me what I am and am not allowed to post and now you are hoping that I die in real life.

All over your little forum ego.

Very interesting.

have toons in CFC

No, very made out of your butt, like your other posts.

I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up. But this has happened before

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=626

the result was POS's blown up and accounts permanently banned.

As they have stated "As clearly stipulated in our rules and policies, exploiting is strictly prohibited. In our Suspension and Ban Policy there is a special clause about so-called "duping" exploits. Employing this sort of exploit will lead to permanent bans for anyone directly involved as well as possible reprimands for players who benefit from such exploits from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts."

So anything less than what has previously occurred would be favoritism, anything more would be unfair.

So at least the perpetrators know what to expect.

but the "How will this not happen again?" is worth reading

This has been brought up multiple times, and it's not applicable as it was an actual software defect in EVE. It was brought to CCP's attention multiple times over a few years until something made CCP finally actually take notice (presumably, the exploit became so widely used it was actually noticeable in some graph or something).

What aryth etc did was not utilize a software defect, everything was legal according to game mechanics.

I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up. But this has happened before

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=626

the result was POS's blown up and accounts permanently banned.

As they have stated "As clearly stipulated in our rules and policies, exploiting is strictly prohibited. In our Suspension and Ban Policy there is a special clause about so-called "duping" exploits. Employing this sort of exploit will lead to permanent bans for anyone directly involved as well as possible reprimands for players who benefit from such exploits from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts."

So anything less than what has previously occurred would be favoritism, anything more would be unfair.

So at least the perpetrators know what to expect.

but the "How will this not happen again?" is worth reading

Free stuff has entered the system.

]Nothing free entered the system in this market manipulation.

CCP dropped the ball pure and simple. CCP Screegs can carry on all he likes about it in the many posts in this thread but it doesn't change the fact they messed up the FW changes - badly. And how you take stuff off people who have done nothing but master the situation presented before them is beyond me. The problem for CCP is the scale. If it was 5 billion this just would have been patched.

CCP were just totally outplayed when they have an immense advantage and they don't like it. You can tell from the judgemental tone in CCP Screegs first post in this thread including the predetermined outcome.

because the mechanics were broken. There really isn't much of an argument it clearly comes under the "duping" exploits".
CCP screwed up on the FW but had a rule to cover it. Arguing that its not the same when covered by the same rule doesn't mean much.

Edit: Don't make me quote Wikipedia

As the Op stated "InfernoGÇÖs big design mistake was that it was released with a literal currency fountain, very nearly without limit. Unbeknownst to themselves, CCP had accidentally delved into the world of forex, providing a way to exchange one currency (isk) for another (LP) with only a few checks and balances built into the system."

So although it wasn't free per say, it was profitable. The POS exploit wasn't free either you had to buy and set up the POS to get the free stuff. Just as you had to purchase ships ect.. to profit from this exploit.

Free stuff has entered the system.

So what about those guys who insurance frauded ships to earn money on them? What about the people who bought PA, back when it refined into nocx? What about the people who exploited CCP fuckups with regards to PI? All of them used legal game mechanics in ways CCP didn't intend, just like the FW mechanics, and all of them did exactly the same thing.

So what about those guys who insurance frauded ships to earn money on them? What about the people who bought PA, back when it refined into nocx? What about the people who exploited CCP fuckups with regards to PI? All of them used legal game mechanics in ways CCP didn't intend, just like the FW mechanics, and all of them did exactly the same thing.

Wow this thread got cleared of posts pretty heavily.
Should be at page 152 already.

Thanks for keeping it open, though ! :)

You get CCP to come out and say and prove:about this matter and I will reconsider.

Each would be a case by case basis, I am not fully familiar with all of those, nor are they the point of this thread.

The basic case is exactly like the POS thread, an exploit was found and massively abused. The circumstances are similar so the punishments should be as well. It was not market manipulation that is player vs player. This was finding a hole in the game mechanic (an obviously broken one) and exploiting it.

Were more LP received than should have been? Yes.

So they got what they should have plus more. So they got Free LP. Go to a store its normally buy 2 get one free. This was buy 1 get 10 free.

Free LP entered the game.

No, it really isn't exactly like the POS thread, since the POS thread was an exploit of an actual software defect. The examples I provided were, however, exactly like "the FW exploit".

No bugs were exploited in this thread. The POS thread has its basis in an actual bug.

So it wasn't a software bug that made the equation so easy to manipulate? Please see underlined text.

As I said exactly the same. It was a software exploit. Being able to "generate as much LP as you want for practically no cost", sounds like a bug to me.

The only real question will be the next series of posts either "CCP to soft on Goonswarm Again" or "CCP kick Goonswarm in the goulies". I doubt it will be "CCP follows precedent".