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Cutter Isaacson
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
530
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:11:00 -
[1531] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote: Just like the FW LP won't be possible because the flawed mechanic will get fixed.
I think we both know that comparing the money made from insurance fraud, by countless players over many years, had much less of a dramatic impact than one small (comparatively) group of people acquiring over 900 trillion ISK's worth of items. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1165
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:11:00 -
[1532] - Quote
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Mess with the bull you get the horns.
oh please do gloat, it's funny when people who will never achieve so much as mediocrity in comparison gloat to their betters ;p a rogue goon |

Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:12:00 -
[1533] - Quote
Wibla wrote:Pr1ncess Alia: they spent several hundred billions of isk they had beforehand to buy stuff from the LP store, but I very much doubt that CCP will return that to them.
:CCP:
I doubt they will either.
They want to both be epic awesome smart exploiters and the noble great alliance that helps find gamebreaking bugs and point them out.
They can't have both all the way. It's one thing to point out the problem, it's another to sink tons of assets into making crap tons of assets using the problem and then expect it will just be all good.
They took this upon themselves. They knew what they were doing. Now they want to cry foul.
Where is the smug confidence and flawless intelligence flaunted in the OP?
Scams make you famous and rich. Exploits make you famous and broke. They KNEW this going into it and they did it to themselves. I said as much in my first post on page 5 or 6. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1165
|
Posted - 2012.06.22 20:12:00 -
[1534] - Quote
Inspiration wrote:[quote=Aryth]Remember the deal with moon goo being produced out of nothing (i forgot the details)? The players in corporations involved in that, all got banned!
they did not ban everyone in the corps involved
where did you pull that from? a rogue goon |

Lord Zim
906
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:13:00 -
[1535] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:acquiring over 900 trillion ISK's worth of items. Uh. That number seems, uh, a bit overinflated. |

Arrgthepirate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:13:00 -
[1536] - Quote
At the end of the day, CCP only hurts themselves. Knowing what we do now, about CCPs new stance on game mechanics being used, why not let 100 people do it for a week. Create long term real effects. **** the sandbox, the sandbox is dead. |

Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
352
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:13:00 -
[1537] - Quote
Ghost Xray wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. Or rather, if you're going to abuse the system do it at your own risk. Confessing your crimes doesn't seem to get you off the hook. If your interest is in helping improve the experience in the EvE community, just report the problem without abusing said problem. Then you can pat yourself on the back and maybe earn a little space respect.
This could have been abused quietly for months. It wasn't. Many were already prepping to do it judging from the responses in this thread. The major point being. There is no incentive to report anything to CCP. You are far better off trying to get away with it quietly. |

Cutter Isaacson
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
530
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:13:00 -
[1538] - Quote
There is one word that sums this up.
Hubris. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3721
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:14:00 -
[1539] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:Lord Zim wrote: Just like the FW LP won't be possible because the flawed mechanic will get fixed.
I think we both know that comparing the money made from insurance fraud, by countless players over many years, had much less of a dramatic impact than one small (comparatively) group of people acquiring over 900 trillion ISK's worth of items. where did you get 900 trillion |

Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:14:00 -
[1540] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Mess with the bull you get the horns. oh please do gloat, it's funny when people who will never achieve so much as mediocrity in comparison gloat to their betters ;p
I have a wife and daughter. Mediocrity to some, but quite an achievement in my book. Good job, don't have to work too hard (get to talk on the interwebs)
As for breaking the EULA and becoming epic awesome internet spaceship nerds who both dont care about the game and care about it more than anything... yeah I'm not too good at that stuff. I'll just keep being mediocre and pew pewing in my rifter.
It's hard to get myself to sleep at night, facing the failure that is my internet personality, but that's what ambien is for. |

asd3452
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:15:00 -
[1541] - Quote
The Goon ownership of, and profit from, Tech is a well known abuse of game mechanics. I, for one, can not wait until the alliance is dissolved for clear violations of the 'don't be good at Eve' rule CCP is enforcing. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
930
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:15:00 -
[1542] - Quote
Inspiration wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. That is a pretty single sided view on the matter. If you had just proven the issue and not abuse it to no end, it would not been punished don't you think? And in some way I think goons got off light here. Remember the deal with moon goo being produced out of nothing (i forgot the details)? The players in corporations involved in that, all got banned! Scamming player is perfectly fine in this game, but NOT ALL scamming NPC so it seems. It would be good if CCP highlighted where the line is precisely. That way you would know for sure how far you can go!
Except we didn't exploit anything to do this. We used in game mechanics to their logical conclusion. It is not Aryth's fault that CCP did not QC or test their own patch, nor did they listen to the CSM when they were warned that this change was unwise.
But yes, CCP has set the bar quite effectively: If you find a market loophole, don't tell them. Instead, tell all your friends, and abuse it over the course of 6-12 months instead of 4 weeks. |

Lord Zim
906
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:15:00 -
[1543] - Quote
Inspiration wrote:And in some way I think goons got off light here. Remember the deal with moon goo being produced out of nothing (i forgot the details)? The players in corporations involved in that, all got banned! They banned the people who exploited the bug, they didn't touch the rest of the people in that alliance.
I don't remember all the details, but it was something about a special way of setting up a reaction tower which meant you didn't have to refill the inputs, which meant ferrogel was just spawned out of thin air. |

Cutter Isaacson
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
530
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:15:00 -
[1544] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Lord Zim wrote: Just like the FW LP won't be possible because the flawed mechanic will get fixed.
I think we both know that comparing the money made from insurance fraud, by countless players over many years, had much less of a dramatic impact than one small (comparatively) group of people acquiring over 900 trillion ISK's worth of items. where did you get 900 trillion
Just ignore me for the next half hour, I've not eaten and I keep trying to post on here instead of eating :/ Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
193
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:15:00 -
[1545] - Quote
Arrgthepirate wrote:At the end of the day, CCP only hurts themselves. Knowing what we do now, about CCPs new stance on game mechanics being used, why not let 100 people do it for a week. Create long term real effects. **** the sandbox, the sandbox is dead.
Actually, they only hurt the ppl that used the exploit.
But just think of all the new customers the publicity will bring! |

Arrgthepirate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:16:00 -
[1546] - Quote
asd3452 wrote:The Goon ownership of, and profit from, Tech is a well known abuse of game mechanics. I, for one, can not wait until the alliance is dissolved for clear violations of the 'don't be good at Eve' rule CCP is enforcing.
At least we can move back to Poitot when that happens. |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1136
|
Posted - 2012.06.22 20:16:00 -
[1547] - Quote
In chaos theory, there's a concept known as sensitive dependence upon initial conditions. Most people know it as the Butterfly Effect.
In EVE, we call it the sandbox.
HAHAHAHA just kidding not actually a sandbox |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
931
|
Posted - 2012.06.22 20:16:00 -
[1548] - Quote
Aryth wrote:Ghost Xray wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. Or rather, if you're going to abuse the system do it at your own risk. Confessing your crimes doesn't seem to get you off the hook. If your interest is in helping improve the experience in the EvE community, just report the problem without abusing said problem. Then you can pat yourself on the back and maybe earn a little space respect. This could have been abused quietly for months. It wasn't. Many were already prepping to do it judging from the responses in this thread. The major point being. There is no incentive to report anything to CCP. You are far better off trying to get away with it quietly.
Not empty quoting. I don't envy CCP, but using this as an excuse to punish Goons economically is just wrong. |

Lord Ryan
Quantum Cats Syndicate
533
|
Posted - 2012.06.22 20:17:00 -
[1549] - Quote
Not really sure what happened. But it sounds like CCP robbed the goons. Who would have thought CCP would do something unethical! But than again it's not the first time they punished someone for breaking a rule retoactively. Imagine that in real life. You put on a yellow shirt and leave your house. Some corrupt offical see's you and decides yellow shirts should be illegal, goes home and rights up a new law. Next morning the SS kicks down your and arrest you for breaking the law. Good times! -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |

Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
193
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:18:00 -
[1550] - Quote
Aryth wrote:Ghost Xray wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. Or rather, if you're going to abuse the system do it at your own risk. Confessing your crimes doesn't seem to get you off the hook. If your interest is in helping improve the experience in the EvE community, just report the problem without abusing said problem. Then you can pat yourself on the back and maybe earn a little space respect. This could have been abused quietly for months. It wasn't. Many were already prepping to do it judging from the responses in this thread. The major point being. There is no incentive to report anything to CCP. You are far better off trying to get away with it quietly.
well see, no
They really aren't trying to punish you I'm sure. They are just trying to reverse the problem you simultaneously pointed out and created. If they wanted to punish you they'd ban you.
You came forward, with much hubris, confidence, swagger, gloat and smug. They are fixing the problem as best they can.
Next time? Sure, keep it to yourself. But when they do figure it out, that will be your ban ticket.
Is doing the right thing for the game and community a concept you are incapable of understanding? |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1136
|
Posted - 2012.06.22 20:18:00 -
[1551] - Quote
In EVE, the choices you make shape the outcome of events. You could've been a white hat, helped CCP uncover market manipulation that could ruin the game, or you could cackle quietly and run roughshod over the economy.
What matters most is that the experience was emergent, unscripted, because - in the sandbox - all player actions, no matter how subtle or bold, always have an impact.
Imagine what you could become a part of.
hahaha just kidding not a sandbox |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1136
|
Posted - 2012.06.22 20:19:00 -
[1552] - Quote
Welcome to EVE Online. The universe is Sreegs'. |

Arrgthepirate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:19:00 -
[1553] - Quote
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Arrgthepirate wrote:At the end of the day, CCP only hurts themselves. Knowing what we do now, about CCPs new stance on game mechanics being used, why not let 100 people do it for a week. Create long term real effects. **** the sandbox, the sandbox is dead. Actually, they only hurt the ppl that used the exploit. But just think of all the new customers the publicity will bring!
You're ******** if you think these people aren't skilled and dedicated enough to recover.
Next time something exploitable comes around it's going to take CCP way more effort to fix then getting a nice detailed report on how to do it sent to them, with 5 people to ruin. It's going to be exploited by as many people as it can be, for as long as it can be, and no one in their right mind would help CCP. |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1136
|
Posted - 2012.06.22 20:19:00 -
[1554] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08hmqyejCYU i quite like ccp's advertising |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
469
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:19:00 -
[1555] - Quote
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Aryth wrote:Ghost Xray wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. Or rather, if you're going to abuse the system do it at your own risk. Confessing your crimes doesn't seem to get you off the hook. If your interest is in helping improve the experience in the EvE community, just report the problem without abusing said problem. Then you can pat yourself on the back and maybe earn a little space respect. This could have been abused quietly for months. It wasn't. Many were already prepping to do it judging from the responses in this thread. The major point being. There is no incentive to report anything to CCP. You are far better off trying to get away with it quietly. well see, no They really aren't trying to punish you I'm sure. They are just trying to reverse the problem you simultaneously pointed out and created. If they wanted to punish you they'd ban you. You came forward, with much hubris, confidence, swagger, gloat and smug. They are fixing the problem as best they can. Next time? Sure, keep it to yourself. But when they do figure it out, that will be your ban ticket. Is doing the right thing for the game and community a concept you are incapable of understanding?
How is taking assets purchased legitimately from the market weeks prior to any of this happening acceptable? Because that literally just happened. |

Pisov viet
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
62
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:22:00 -
[1556] - Quote
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Arrgthepirate wrote:At the end of the day, CCP only hurts themselves. Knowing what we do now, about CCPs new stance on game mechanics being used, why not let 100 people do it for a week. Create long term real effects. **** the sandbox, the sandbox is dead. Actually, they only hurt the ppl that used the exploit. But just think of all the new customers the publicity will bring! Actually, they hurt every player who would have enjoyed cheap implants and faction ships.
But hey, ******* over your players is a perfectly good way to make them less likely to push the game to it's limits, and will probably save you some money in QA and testing over time. Of course, people dont give a **** about the game anymore, but who cares? |

Cutter Isaacson
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
531
|
Posted - 2012.06.22 20:22:00 -
[1557] - Quote
Arrgthepirate wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Arrgthepirate wrote:At the end of the day, CCP only hurts themselves. Knowing what we do now, about CCPs new stance on game mechanics being used, why not let 100 people do it for a week. Create long term real effects. **** the sandbox, the sandbox is dead. Actually, they only hurt the ppl that used the exploit. But just think of all the new customers the publicity will bring! You're ******** if you think these people aren't skilled and dedicated enough to recover. Next time something exploitable comes around it's going to take CCP way more effort to fix then getting a nice detailed report on how to do it sent to them, with 5 people to ruin. It's going to be exploited by as many people as it can be, for as long as it can be, and no one in their right mind would help CCP.
I'm curious, are you actually angry that some people, who took it upon themselves to throw a massive section of the market as well as faction warfare in to complete disarray in order to profit personally to the tune of hundreds of billions, now have the threat of rightful retribution hanging over their heads?
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Lord Ryan
Quantum Cats Syndicate
533
|
Posted - 2012.06.22 20:24:00 -
[1558] - Quote
corestwo wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Aryth wrote:Ghost Xray wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. Or rather, if you're going to abuse the system do it at your own risk. Confessing your crimes doesn't seem to get you off the hook. If your interest is in helping improve the experience in the EvE community, just report the problem without abusing said problem. Then you can pat yourself on the back and maybe earn a little space respect. This could have been abused quietly for months. It wasn't. Many were already prepping to do it judging from the responses in this thread. The major point being. There is no incentive to report anything to CCP. You are far better off trying to get away with it quietly. well see, no They really aren't trying to punish you I'm sure. They are just trying to reverse the problem you simultaneously pointed out and created. If they wanted to punish you they'd ban you. You came forward, with much hubris, confidence, swagger, gloat and smug. They are fixing the problem as best they can. Next time? Sure, keep it to yourself. But when they do figure it out, that will be your ban ticket. Is doing the right thing for the game and community a concept you are incapable of understanding? How is taking assets purchased legitimately from the market weeks prior to any of this happening acceptable? Because that literally just happened.
Did you buy the the assets with RL ISK? If not it's all legit. Who cares if you made billions or trillions off asshatery. CCP has no business robbing you! -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
831
|
Posted - 2012.06.22 20:24:00 -
[1559] - Quote
Welp, its official. Darius JOHNSON was right at the alliance panel he did. A goon ruined the game.
Just not the goon everyone has been expecting lately. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
193
|
Posted - 2012.06.22 20:24:00 -
[1560] - Quote
Pisov viet wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Arrgthepirate wrote:At the end of the day, CCP only hurts themselves. Knowing what we do now, about CCPs new stance on game mechanics being used, why not let 100 people do it for a week. Create long term real effects. **** the sandbox, the sandbox is dead. Actually, they only hurt the ppl that used the exploit. But just think of all the new customers the publicity will bring! Actually, they hurt every player who would have enjoyed cheap implants and faction ships. But hey, ******* over your players is a perfectly good way to make them less likely to push the game to it's limits, and will probably save you some money in QA and testing over time. Of course, people dont give a **** about the game anymore, but who cares?
Think I'll put some implants up on the market now that this was all fixed.
You know, to sell to all the people that dont give a crap about the game anymore. |
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