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000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2010.01.01 13:51:00 - [91] Wall of text impacts my brain doing LOGOFF damage!!! Have a happy newyearsday everybody!!! ________________________________________________
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2010.01.01 14:00:00 - [92] Edited by: Elena Laskova on 01/01/2010 14:06:03 Some people don't believe in science or logic. But (like almost everyone) they believe in "cause and effect". On observing something, they casually manufacture or accept any wild explanation which seems to offer a cause and effect relationship. Normal people should never discuss facts with them. It's just "pig-wrestling". For the record: "g" isn't gravity. It's a measure of acceleration, which is based on the average acceleration due to gravity on the surface of our planet. Often quoted as 9.8 meters per second per second. Gravity curves space. Acceleration due to the thrust of a reaction engine does not. The only known source of gravity is mass. No means for generating "artificial gravity" is known. This rules out generated "inertial dampening" too. The gravitational force between two objects is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. In EvE terms, think "very fast falloff" :) Being immersed in liquid significantly mitigates the effects of acceleration on a human body, as do acceleration suits. 10g is still a lot of acceleration.
Acrid Acid	Posted - 2010.01.01 14:30:00 - [93] WTF? You dont experience G-force w/e speed you go in space. The only time it happen is when you EXIT the gravity of a planet.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.01.01 14:50:00 - [94] Originally by: Acrid Acid WTF? You dont experience G-force w/e speed you go in space. The only time it happen is when you EXIT the gravity of a planet. Who was talking about speed? g-force is just a measurement of acceleration and you can be accelerated everywhere just fine.
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2010.01.01 14:52:00 - [95] Edited by: Elena Laskova on 01/01/2010 14:53:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect or google for "DunningûKruger effect" That link is intended to amuse some people, and to confuse and confound others. Those of you who matter will know who you are :)
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.01.01 17:35:00 - [96] Originally by: LittleTerror So you're saying the moon came to earth and is now just gonna split off into space again? No. What I am saying is that the moon came about as the result of a collision, about four billion years ago, between the Earth and another planet (generally called Theia, likely an L5 Lagrange body similar to a trojan asteroid). This resulted in some of the debris from the collision coalescing into what is now the moon. Originally by: LittleTerror can't compute your logic some how because it is utter fail Yeah, clearly that's why you can't comprehend.
Dea Abarrha	Posted - 2010.01.01 17:56:00 - [97] Edited by: Dea Abarrha on 01/01/2010 17:59:30 Originally by: Elena Laskova Edited by: Elena Laskova on 01/01/2010 14:53:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect or google for "DunningûKruger effect" That link is intended to amuse some people, and to confuse and confound others. Those of you who matter will know who you are :) Perfect... Aristotle thought that an imbalanced ratio of merit to reward among individuals was the origin of quarrels and complaints. Personally, I think he must not have known about the Dunning-Kruger effect
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.01.01 18:18:00 - [98] Originally by: Dea Abarrha Edited by: Dea Abarrha on 01/01/2010 17:59:30 Originally by: Elena Laskova Edited by: Elena Laskova on 01/01/2010 14:53:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect or google for "DunningûKruger effect" That link is intended to amuse some people, and to confuse and confound others. Those of you who matter will know who you are :) Perfect... Aristotle thought that an imbalanced ratio of merit to reward among individuals was the origin of quarrels and complaints. Personally, I think he must not have known about the Dunning-Kruger effect Yeah, it's all about perception. Does this mean that MTV got it right? ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Nietzsche, and PvP"
Marketeerer	Posted - 2010.01.01 18:27:00 - [99] Edited by: Marketeerer on 01/01/2010 18:34:41 First off, g-forces DO exist whenever you accelerate anywhere in known space under known physics. if you are maintaining a set speed, you do not experience g-forces. vector changes are another form of acceleration, which is how spinning a ship or space station "simulates" gravity when you are standing on the inside of its hull - the constant vector change YOU are experiencing going in a circle is the "gravity" admittedly, calling such forces "gravity" isnt technically correct, as it is NOT a gravitational force, BUT compairing it as a ratio to the 9.81m/s^2 velocity that standard gravity is, is a long standing method, especially when talking about how much acceleration a human can withstand. (blackbird airplanes could reach 6g's accel but that wasnt sustainable due to the pilots blacking out fairly quickly, for example) so, saying that inty pilots in eve experiance 26g's more or less tells you its not survivable unless something is preventing said pilot from turning into pudding - crushed by their own weight. as for those explanations, im gonna go with since we have inertial stabilizers i would say our ships have built-in inertial compensators to nullify the g-forces our ships project. the theory that how our propusion drives work does not cause g-forces on our ships i dont agree with, since i seem to recall hearing somewhere that minmatar drives, at the least, are nuclear-based, and another races are ion drives, both of which do cause g-force accel. (dont have linkys and tbh i cant be bothered to find them today) BUT another theory is that a capsuleer (and perhaps even crew) could be genetically engineered to withstand such g-forces... although that poor engineer might have a hard time turning a wrench with 20g spikes going on....
Dea Abarrha	Posted - 2010.01.01 18:44:00 - [100] This thread is officially in meta-discussion phase...
scoutyman	Posted - 2010.01.01 18:50:00 - [101] Thread of win (and pointless use of time) That is all
chrisss0r	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:08:00 - [102] Originally by: Joe Skellington Edited by: Joe Skellington on 29/12/2009 13:51:33 G-Force: The unit of measure used is the g- the acceleration due to gravity. 1. The g-force acting on a stationary object resting on the Earth's surface is 1 g (upwards) and results from the resisting reaction of the Earth's surface bearing upwards equal to an acceleration of 1 g, and is equal and opposite to standard gravity, defined as 9.80665 metres per second squared, or equivalently 9.80665 newtons of force per kilogram of mass. 2. The g-force acting on an object in any weightless environment such as free-fall in a vacuum is 0 g. There is no gravity in space, so I think your argument is invalid. OUCH. idiot.
Amerilia	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:17:00 - [103] 1g or one g-force is simply 9.80665 m/s^2 2g is the double of that, its just another unit for acceleration besides m/s^s ... ( = 19.6133 )
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:20:00 - [104] Originally by: LittleTerror Look before they went to the moon if they ever did which to be quite honest would take an amazing ammount of work. We did not have a wiki and hundreds of years ago people like you said the moon is made of cheese why? Because it was written as such, now you can quote what ever science you want if it makes you feel more intelligent than me then gg I simple do not give a ****. The fact is it is all theroy, yes there is science with physical back up but when it comes to space no one knows. You just can't possible know until we get out there and actually distort gravity waves for our self. Well, those of us who follow dogma know that contrary to your claims the moon is actually moving away from us as the earth rotates faster than the moon orbits. (This leads to the tidal wave moving ahead of the moon and thus causes a transfer of rotational energy to the moon) Being a out-of-the-box-thinking rebel armchair-scientist wannabe does not make you the next Einstein. Oh... And the MWD works by creating a kind of warp bubble around the ship, so only AB speeds can be used for g-force calculations.
AlleyKat The Unwanted.	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:25:00 - [105] Originally by: Red Flagsman I love wolfram alpha. Given that my frigate can decelerate from full warp velocity (6 AU/s) in about 15 seconds, my ship is experiencing 6.078e9 g's of acceleration. 6,078,000,000 times the force of Earth's gravity. Astronauts on the way to orbit get about what, 3 g's? or one-three millionth the acceleration a minutes old EVE player can get? Why do you think the primary and secondary attributes of Spaceship Command skills are perception and willpower You need to believe it is possible... EVE-ONLINE VIDEO-MAKING TUTORIALS
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:29:00 - [106] Originally by: Marketeerer Edited by: Marketeerer on 01/01/2010 18:34:41 the theory that how our propusion drives work does not cause g-forces on our ships i dont agree with, since i seem to recall hearing somewhere that minmatar drives, at the least, are nuclear-based, and another races are ion drives, both of which do cause g-force accel. (dont have linkys and tbh i cant be bothered to find them today) RL nuke engines heat up reaction mass and shoot it out the back for propulsion. Ion engines are very efficient but produce tiny amounts of thrust and depend upon months of slowly building up acceleration. There's no way that Eve nuke and ion engines would operate in a similar fashion. The effects produced by the RL and Eve engine types imply that the physics behind them are radically different. Eve rail guns have the same problem. RL rail guns accelerate a slug of metal to high speeds and rely on kinetic energy to do damage. Eve rail guns have multiple ammo types (including anti-matter!) which is odd. Why do you need various ammo types if you're just smashing a slug into a target at very high speeds? And if you have anti-matter, why would you need anything else? And then there's how the ammo types affect range and cap usage. Given how Eve ships can collide and bounce off each other without splattering the crew against the bulkheads and how Eve rail guns don't seem to use simple slugs, it's easy to assume that Eve ships are "immune" to direct kinetic damage. (Kinetic weapons in Eve must be using some sort of exotic physics to deliver kinetic damage that circumvents the inertial dampers or whatever keeps ships collisions and high speed slugs from damaging anything.) Quote: BUT another theory is that a capsuleer (and perhaps even crew) could be genetically engineered to withstand such g-forces... although that poor engineer might have a hard time turning a wrench with 20g spikes going on.... Not likely. The pod pilots in the fiction/fluff don't appear to be genetically altered. And ship crews appear to be cheap (crew members are easy/cheap to replace) so a genetic engineering program isn't a good theory. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Nietzsche, and PvP"
Alt0101	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:48:00 - [107] Originally by: Elena Laskova Edited by: Elena Laskova on 01/01/2010 14:53:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect or google for "DunningûKruger effect" That link is intended to amuse some people, and to confuse and confound others. Those of you who matter will know who you are :) so, basically, Mr Dunning and Mr Kruger dedicate their careers to run intensive and evilish experiments just to demonstrate that: fools are so fool, that can't realize how fools they are. And they got a Nobel... Quote: Just say NO to RMT ISK. - GM Grimmi
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:49:00 - [108] Originally by: Drakarin Originally by: Hythloday Edited by: Hythloday on 30/12/2009 18:53:19 Eve-O forums: Where people can have a discussion about physics, while completely disregarding the fact that spaceships in Eve traverse through a luminous space aether rather than a vacuum. Eve's luminous space aether causes resistance, and so velocity and time become absolute rather than relative, contrary to Newton and Einstein's laws and theories about our universe. So unlike in our universe, constant thrust is required to maintain velocity. I would say that seeing as how Eve is set in a universe that isn't bound by Newtonian physics (and relativity), theres no point in thinking about how many newtons of force you would experience as your ship accelerates. Then how do planets orbit a star? They'd need constant thrust to do so. The idea fails right there... There is friction in this orbit, slowing the orbiting bodies down. Hence our distance to the sun changes by a few inces every year. However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:52:00 - [109] Originally by: AlleyKat Originally by: Red Flagsman I love wolfram alpha. Given that my frigate can decelerate from full warp velocity (6 AU/s) in about 15 seconds, my ship is experiencing 6.078e9 g's of acceleration. 6,078,000,000 times the force of Earth's gravity. Astronauts on the way to orbit get about what, 3 g's? or one-three millionth the acceleration a minutes old EVE player can get? Why do you think the primary and secondary attributes of Spaceship Command skills are perception and willpower You need to believe it is possible... High willpower makes sense (aka stubbornness,) but you would need very low perception to make belief work (aka blind faith.) ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Nietzsche, and PvP"
Drakarin Gallente The Abyssmal Spire Independent Faction	Posted - 2010.01.01 20:21:00 - [110] Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Originally by: Drakarin Originally by: Hythloday Edited by: Hythloday on 30/12/2009 18:53:19 Eve-O forums: Where people can have a discussion about physics, while completely disregarding the fact that spaceships in Eve traverse through a luminous space aether rather than a vacuum. Eve's luminous space aether causes resistance, and so velocity and time become absolute rather than relative, contrary to Newton and Einstein's laws and theories about our universe. So unlike in our universe, constant thrust is required to maintain velocity. I would say that seeing as how Eve is set in a universe that isn't bound by Newtonian physics (and relativity), theres no point in thinking about how many newtons of force you would experience as your ship accelerates. Then how do planets orbit a star? They'd need constant thrust to do so. The idea fails right there... There is friction in this orbit, slowing the orbiting bodies down. Hence our distance to the sun changes by a few inces every year. Inches, given that the orbit is several hundreds of millions of kilometers, that hardly seems noteworthy.
Aerones	Posted - 2010.01.01 20:56:00 - [111] Edited by: Aerones on 01/01/2010 21:03:29 Originally by: Drakarin Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Originally by: Drakarin Originally by: Hythloday Edited by: Hythloday on 30/12/2009 18:53:19 Eve-O forums: Where people can have a discussion about physics, while completely disregarding the fact that spaceships in Eve traverse through a luminous space aether rather than a vacuum. Eve's luminous space aether causes resistance, and so velocity and time become absolute rather than relative, contrary to Newton and Einstein's laws and theories about our universe. So unlike in our universe, constant thrust is required to maintain velocity. I would say that seeing as how Eve is set in a universe that isn't bound by Newtonian physics (and relativity), theres no point in thinking about how many newtons of force you would experience as your ship accelerates. Then how do planets orbit a star? They'd need constant thrust to do so. The idea fails right there... There is friction in this orbit, slowing the orbiting bodies down. Hence our distance to the sun changes by a few inces every year. Inches, given that the orbit is several hundreds of millions of kilometers, that hardly seems noteworthy. All of that isn't really relevant to the force being applied to the pilot. Regardless of the consistency of space, you are still going obscenely fast when you begin to start negative acceleration. Imagine if you were standing in your ship without any arresting harness, you would slam against your hull because while your ship slows down, you retain your inertia. Thus, you still feel the effect of the neg. acc. even in space.
Mrs Thaiberian	Posted - 2010.01.01 22:20:00 - [112] Anyone with a computer, internet connection and the knowledge of what's google can find by them self the meaning and way stuff such gravity, G-force and acceleration work. Many people here have, actually, done it and posted the right answers. Why has took 4 pages of meta-nonsense and walls of text is beyond my mind. Funny, though.
Karma Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2010.01.02 01:10:00 - [113] Edited by: Karma on 02/01/2010 01:11:07 Originally by: Joe Skellington Edited by: Joe Skellington on 29/12/2009 13:51:33 G-Force: The unit of measure used is the g- the acceleration due to gravity. 1. The g-force acting on a stationary object resting on the Earth's surface is 1 g (upwards) and results from the resisting reaction of the Earth's surface bearing upwards equal to an acceleration of 1 g, and is equal and opposite to standard gravity, defined as 9.80665 metres per second squared, or equivalently 9.80665 newtons of force per kilogram of mass. 2. The g-force acting on an object in any weightless environment such as free-fall in a vacuum is 0 g. There is no gravity in space, so I think your argument is invalid. by your logic astronauts igniting their rocket engines in space would not experience any g-forces. Alas, they do. imagine if you had rockets at the front of your spaceship, and you had to fire them to decelerate. if you did so, and decelerated at the rate that ships in EVE do... I can't describe in words how bad that would be, I'd have to use sound effects (which wouldn't work either, since there's no sound in EVE.. err.. space). this is me, being redundant.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.02 01:35:00 - [114] Originally by: Karma I can't describe in words how bad that would be, I'd have to use sound effects (which wouldn't work either, since there's no sound in EVE.. err.. space). I think the words you're looking for are squish and possibly squirt… ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Athanasia Samsa Amarr Institute for Mental Hygiene	Posted - 2010.01.02 07:28:00 - [115] Edited by: Athanasia Samsa on 02/01/2010 07:33:11 Edited by: Athanasia Samsa on 02/01/2010 07:28:36 Originally by: LittleTerror Your post is so full of fail. i'd recommend you this short course to get you up to speed... it's even on sale! :) Understanding the Universe: An Introduction to Astronomy, 2nd Edition Originally by: Karma I can't describe in words how bad that would be, I'd have to use sound effects (which wouldn't work either, since there's no sound in EVE.. err.. space). as long as you make sure that your spaceship is pressurized you'll be able to enjoy all those nice sounds you're body produces as it's turning into jelly...
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries Revival Of The Talocan Empire	Posted - 2010.01.02 07:58:00 - [116] Originally by: chrisss0r Originally by: Joe Skellington Edited by: Joe Skellington on 29/12/2009 13:51:33 G-Force: The unit of measure used is the g- the acceleration due to gravity. 1. The g-force acting on a stationary object resting on the Earth's surface is 1 g (upwards) and results from the resisting reaction of the Earth's surface bearing upwards equal to an acceleration of 1 g, and is equal and opposite to standard gravity, defined as 9.80665 metres per second squared, or equivalently 9.80665 newtons of force per kilogram of mass. 2. The g-force acting on an object in any weightless environment such as free-fall in a vacuum is 0 g. There is no gravity in space, so I think your argument is invalid. OUCH. idiot. Yeah, that was a stupid thing to say. I was thinking more about g-force and relation to a planet mass compared to the free fall effect of outer space.
Glassback Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.01.02 09:33:00 - [117] Originally by: RaTTuS eve is not real ;-P Nooooooooooo!!!
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2010.01.02 10:04:00 - [118] Edited by: Elena Laskova on 02/01/2010 10:05:30 Originally by: Mrs Thaiberian ... why it took 4 pages of meta-nonsense and walls of text is beyond my mind. Funny, though. Society is to blame of course :) IMO people get confused about acceleration in space because the first relevant thing they are told (as children, via TV) is that astronauts in orbit around the earth are in a "weightless" environment. It's impossible to be weightless and in orbit. You have to "choose" one of those at a time. But the acceleration due to earth's mass is very low compared to being on the surface. This makes for good video, and unfortunately you can't expect a news reporter to understand what they talk about or use accurate terminology.
Sensor Glitch	Posted - 2010.01.02 11:17:00 - [119] Originally by: Benedict Carol So.... the inertial dampeners are working great. If you were looking for a MMO with space tech that makes sense, you're in the wrong spot. Warp drive shouldn't make your "rocket engines" go brighter (unless they're heat exhausts and don't propel anything), nor should there be sound in space (jump gates making sound ftl). Please see the jovian wet grave where this is explained.

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