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Fuzzy Pirate	Posted - 2009.12.31 08:31:00 - [61] Get the guy to do jobs with you. Teach him the dark ways.
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2009.12.31 09:50:00 - [62] Originally by: Aaron Put back the ships, Put back the Plex, you dont meet people like this very often, you'll come to see that his friendship is more valuble than the ships and the plex. True. But OP and his ilk are the reason you don't see the friendly and trusting side of people in EvE. The game has come to simulate a society in which the rule of law has failed (e.g. Somalia). It could have turned out differently - the exact same game engine would as easily support a society in whch you could trust people. But EvE isn't just the game, it's also the players. And OP's self-justifying nonsense ("back-stabbing and theft is fine, but I'm not a lowlife if I don't steal PLEXes" /lol) is the norm. EvE would be a lot more fun if there were more gamers and fewer griefers.
Hamano Walker	Posted - 2009.12.31 10:59:00 - [63] I disagree, but only a bit. The exact game mechanic could, in theory, have allowed a trusting environment int he same way that Communism could work. That is they could both work if populated entirely by people whose priority was to make them work. Its the difference between self interest (doing what's best for you right now) and enlightened self interest (doing what will be best for you in the long term). Robbing the corp blind would be in the OP's self interest. He gets an advantage on the game of more money and more game time. In the long term, though, working with a corp that supportive will pay back far more than the iskies he stands to gain today. Having said that, the game is a fairly lawless game world. Lying, stealing, cheating (within the mechanics) etc. are perfectly valid ways to play, much like the card game Illuminati. If you're not playing paranoid, you will find someone less nice than the OP sooner or later. Don't take it personally. Its a game. Learn from it and go have fun. Its your EVE, enjoy it. --- How to deal with issues in EVE: Fight it, avoid it, run from it, buy it off, cry about it or learn from it.
Lo3d3R Darkness and Chaos	Posted - 2009.12.31 11:41:00 - [64] Originally by: Aaron Put back the ships, Put back the Plex, you dont meet people like this very often, you'll come to see that his friendship is more valuble than the ships and the plex. Exactly what is a few million ISK compared to a game experience in good company. ___________________ Sexy Time:
Imbosol Norand	Posted - 2009.12.31 11:43:00 - [65] Originally by: Elena Laskova And OP's self-justifying nonsense ("back-stabbing and theft is fine, but I'm not a lowlife if I don't steal PLEXes" /lol) is the norm. EvE would be a lot more fun if there were more gamers and fewer griefers. In a game i used to play, we had a sway for dealing with people like this. If you scammed your guild/corp mates, you would be pk'ed out of the game. Pretty much the only place you could ever go was a city, step outside the gate and there would be 500+ odd players waiting to kill you, take all your gear then sacrifice it in front of you while singing the teapot song. This would go on until the character stopped logging in. Personally i think the OP should take the PLEX, and that the CEO of the corp in question forms a huge alliance with the sole purpose of war dec'ing any corp you end up in and when you find you have no friends left, suicide ganks you to the point where you cant leave a station if all you have left is a NPC corp. But then, im all for getting even ten times over on anyone who takes advantage of my trust.
Kenosos	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:26:00 - [66] Edited by: Kenosos on 31/12/2009 20:26:02 Originally by: Imbosol Norand Originally by: Elena Laskova And OP's self-justifying nonsense ("back-stabbing and theft is fine, but I'm not a lowlife if I don't steal PLEXes" /lol) is the norm. EvE would be a lot more fun if there were more gamers and fewer griefers. In a game i used to play, we had a sway for dealing with people like this. If you scammed your guild/corp mates, you would be pk'ed out of the game. Pretty much the only place you could ever go was a city, step outside the gate and there would be 500+ odd players waiting to kill you, take all your gear then sacrifice it in front of you while singing the teapot song. This would go on until the character stopped logging in. Personally i think the OP should take the PLEX, and that the CEO of the corp in question forms a huge alliance with the sole purpose of war dec'ing any corp you end up in and when you find you have no friends left, suicide ganks you to the point where you cant leave a station if all you have left is a NPC corp. But then, im all for getting even ten times over on anyone who takes advantage of my trust. This game wouldn't happen to be Lineage II would it?
Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:42:00 - [67] Originally by: Lude Behaver Thank you all for your comments. I have decided to keep the is isk i made from the ships and reject the Plex contract. I will continue my corp thefts and will revamp stricter guidelines to personal relationships in game. Regardless of the debate on plex being RL money or not. The fact is, this guy offered me a plex out of kindness. I wont take the plex because that, for me, does cross the line. My mission was to steal the ships and thats what I did. I will leave his corp and send an email thanking him for his kindness and wish him the best of luck. I have to say, I'm pleased and impressed that you did "the right thing." hope it felt good :) \|+ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ +\|
Babyface Thirteen	Posted - 2010.01.01 00:42:00 - [68] If you feel its wrong dont do it. Either you have what it takes to be a super******* or you dont. There is no middle way in this area.
Cosmo Kramma	Posted - 2010.01.01 00:49:00 - [69] Originally by: Lude Behaver Thank you all for your comments. I have decided to keep the is isk i made from the ships and reject the Plex contract. I will continue my corp thefts and will revamp stricter guidelines to personal relationships in game. Regardless of the debate on plex being RL money or not. The fact is, this guy offered me a plex out of kindness. I wont take the plex because that, for me, does cross the line. My mission was to steal the ships and thats what I did. I will leave his corp and send an email thanking him for his kindness and wish him the best of luck. YO, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THIS CORP CAUSE i WANNA SCAM THIS CUP CAKE TOO!
Isabol Morreax	Posted - 2010.01.01 02:21:00 - [70] Originally by: Lude Behaver Edited by: Lude Behaver on 30/12/2009 05:01:38 Corp theft is one of the many ways a person can gain isk in the game. [snip] We started carrying on a convo about real life. Lets just say that my real life at the moment is at a low and money is tight. My ceo had asked me about my game membership and was wondering if I was going to be able to afford to play. I simply replied that I was not sure but that I could work it out. We logged and that was that. Well today I logged in to find a contracted Plex card paid by my ceo. :/ God I want to take it so bad. LOL what would you do? A decent person cares enough about the horrors of your life to extend a helping hand to ease your real life hardship, affording you 60 days of escape from the drudgery of your existance and you laughingly ask ? You are not alone. Know that. This very thing has happened to me. I left the game over it. It wounded my heart. I actually cared about the people I was playing with. NEVER AGAIN ! ! Your actions are reflective of the hopes and wishes of CCP for their "sandbox" or they'd ban you over this. They won't. They will laugh and tell those people when they submit petition over it that eve is harsh and they foolish. Admonish that we are foolish to care about strangers and how life is kicking ** out of them all over this globe. They will be able to honestly point out it is OUR fault, not yours, because we forgot that this is a "sandbox". You broke no eula. You found a hard working human beings and rub in their face and had to brag about it. You just stabbed in the back someone who willingly came to your aid when you are starting to feel the pinch. You made for damned certain none will be there when you really need him to be. KARMA**
Windows ME	Posted - 2010.01.01 03:05:00 - [71] Stop thinking, you're just an in game scammer. Take the plex and GTFO of his corp. Is that so hard.
Agent 42	Posted - 2010.01.01 03:06:00 - [72] A while back I lent what I thought to be a new eve player (new corp mate) 22 mil to buy some learning books. I think he left the corp the next day and blocked me. 22 mil won't break my bank but its the principle. LOL serves me right I guess. Its **** like this that makes Eve a good mental exercise. Never trust anyone. I guess the upside to this story is that I have a reason to suicide gank a player. His username is Carsoll, and if I ever see him in a hulk or industrial ship, I'll take it as tribute. As for the OP if your only thrill in this game is to rip players off then go for it. Your ex friend will be wiser for it. From the sound of it though I'd say some things are more valuable than isk.
Laodell Gallente Industrial Legion of EVE TERMINATI0N	Posted - 2010.01.01 03:09:00 - [73] Edited by: Laodell on 01/01/2010 03:09:47 Originally by: Lude Behaver KARMA KARMA - Laodell -
JaseNZ Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.01 10:35:00 - [74] Originally by: Khemul Zula Why does everyone keep figuring that accepting the PLEX is stealing money? They are sold on the market. Sure a PLEX is created using money, but a good portion of those are then put up on the market for ISK. As a result there is no reason to assume that any PLEX automatically equals real-life money. Trip yourself up there at all? lol. Somewhere, at some point, someone got a GTC from CCP, or an affiliated website, paid for with real life currency. Said person then put this into the game as 2 PLEX, then listed them on the market. Another player then bought these on the market using ISK, then applies it to their account, and saves themselve 30 days subscription being paid to CCP (CCP still gets the money that would have been paid, via the GTC that started the whole scenario.)
Fat Willy	Posted - 2010.01.01 11:09:00 - [75] Originally by: Lude Behaver Thank you all for your comments. I have decided to keep the is isk i made from the ships and reject the Plex contract. I will continue my corp thefts and will revamp stricter guidelines to personal relationships in game. Regardless of the debate on plex being RL money or not. The fact is, this guy offered me a plex out of kindness. I wont take the plex because that, for me, does cross the line. My mission was to steal the ships and thats what I did. I will leave his corp and send an email thanking him for his kindness and wish him the best of luck. Good call. Corp theft is about your in-game persona, the character you are. The PLEX issue is about who you are in RL. The other complicated part of your situation is that you've let RL into your in-game relationships with the CEO. Feel the pain, it goes with the character you have chosen to be. So what is the next course to take? Either toughen up and move on, put it all behind you and be the untrustworthy character that you have chosen to play. Or wake up to a different way of playing EVE, if you think that in-game comradeship is real and valuable, come back from the dark side!
Winters Chill Amarr Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.01.01 11:22:00 - [76] I say Munchausen Syndrome? Op is talking 100% bull****.

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