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Lude Behaver	Posted - 2009.12.30 05:00:00 - [1] Edited by: Lude Behaver on 30/12/2009 05:01:38 Corp theft is one of the many ways a person can gain isk in the game. Its not the most respected way, but it is a way. I have been stealing from corps in game for a few months now. I have made billions. I have always reasoned with my conscience by rationalizing that its a game and stealing is part of the game. In real life I would never steal or take from an individual for personal gain. I treat others with the same respect I command. I have never had an issue with stealing from players until now. Eve is a harsh world. I have come to the path I am on simply because I realized early on that I was either going to complain about being the victim or become the predator. I will admit that is a shame that the game has molded into the cold heart that it is, but I love it! Ok so here is the deal A few weeks ago I lied my way into a very small industrial corp. and gained the trust of the ceo by pouring out this sob story. Kind of like a peddler. I received access to a hanger and eventually the rights to accept applications for the corp. I presented myself as one of wealth but had lost it all due to in game scammers. We worked out a deal to share ships. We assigned a hanger and would leave the ships in the hanger for use if we were online at different times. The other day I decided to sell the ships. and leave the corp. and move on. Trough out the weeks we have talked and had a good time. We mined together, ran missions, and even talked about personal life. After I sold the ships I logged offline and went to sleep. The next day I logged and my ceo was online. The 24 hours had not yet passed and he was asking about the ships not in the hanger, I simply explained it away and it was all good. We started carrying on a convo about real life. Lets just say that my real life at the moment is at a low and money is tight. My ceo had asked me about my game membership and was wondering if I was going to be able to afford to play. I simply replied that I was not sure but that I could work it out. We logged and that was that. Well today I logged in to find a contracted Plex card paid by my ceo. :/ God I want to take it so bad. LOL what would you do?
randomname4me	Posted - 2009.12.30 05:04:00 - [2] Holy wall of text batman! On the other hand everyone has there own opinion and you can feel free to disagree with my sig. EVE Online: Rated RRR- For Explicit Breakfast Piercing Bullets.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2009.12.30 05:04:00 - [3] What would I do? I'd learn to format text, and not to brag on a forum.
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.12.30 05:06:00 - [4] You don't seem cut out for the job ~
MeatSlab	Posted - 2009.12.30 05:08:00 - [5] Edited by: MeatSlab on 30/12/2009 05:14:37
crazybitchass	Posted - 2009.12.30 05:19:00 - [6] Dont take kis real life money, just reject the contract. My 2 cents.
Amanda Wilkins Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2009.12.30 05:30:00 - [7] You found a decent, caring person with a lot of good qualities in Eve. Do you really want to prove that you are a jerk? Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish
Dead Geisha	Posted - 2009.12.30 05:31:00 - [8] Edited by: Dead Geisha on 30/12/2009 05:31:53 You seem to be suffering from the virus 'conscience' - as it seems that you are having trouble acting on such lucrative offerings. Conscience is a malvolent and naughty disease that will cripple you slowly but surely. It will poison your actions and make you incapable of success. Best thing to do is to act against it as often as possible, until it looses its grip on your mind and emotions. Just do it. Step out of the prison created by conscience and accept the freedom to grow unrestrained, like a flower opening up and stretching itself towards the Sun of Profit.
Pulivin Motic Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.30 05:42:00 - [9] Edited by: Pulivin Motic on 30/12/2009 05:43:17 buy the ships back and put them back in the hanger, leave the corp and move on. Oh and dont except the contract tell him you got some money from your grandma or something
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2009.12.30 05:46:00 - [10] stealing corp crap is all good ingame.. but plex.. id drop the contract. thats hes RL cash. ---------------------------------- Fighting for something Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Lord Windu Amarr	Posted - 2009.12.30 06:06:00 - [11] Do whatever you want, because you will anyway. ------
stoicfaux	Posted - 2009.12.30 06:12:00 - [12] You're suffering from an attack of conscience. Since a conscience is just a damn annoying cricket, you should kill the cricket. Lock yourself in a small room and set off half a dozen insecticide foggers (aka "bug bombs") and wait. The problem(s) will soon be solved. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Nietzsche, and PvP"
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.30 06:18:00 - [13] I know what you should do.. Join a goon corp and keep doing what your doing... www.garia.net
Apoctasy Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.12.30 06:23:00 - [14] Originally by: Dead Geisha Edited by: Dead Geisha on 30/12/2009 05:31:53 You seem to be suffering from the virus 'conscience' - as it seems that you are having trouble acting on such lucrative offerings. Conscience is a malvolent and naughty disease that will cripple you slowly but surely. It will poison your actions and make you incapable of success. Best thing to do is to act against it as often as possible, until it looses its grip on your mind and emotions. Just do it. Step out of the prison created by conscience and accept the freedom to grow unrestrained, like a flower opening up and stretching itself towards the Sun of Profit. that's beautiful
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.12.30 07:20:00 - [15] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 30/12/2009 07:22:25 Kind of messes with the rationalization that it's only a game doesn't it. Corp theft absolutely has a place in EVE, and the game would be diminished without it being a possibility. However, this sounds perilously close to crossing the line between playing the thief, and being one. I guess your conscience will ultimately have to be your guide on this one. Actually it sounds like you already know what you feel is right in this case, or you wouldn't have made the post to begin with. Amazing as it may be to us jaded net denizens, you do sometimes actually meet worthwhile people and make friends on the net. It would be a pity to dismiss him solely because you met him while playing an online game. Besides, it's easy to be a thief in EVE. It's hard to be a thief with class in EVE. I hope it works out in your best interest as well as his. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Pesets The Hunt Club	Posted - 2009.12.30 07:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Riho stealing corp crap is all good ingame.. but plex.. id drop the contract. thats hes RL cash. PLEX is not RL cash, it cannot be used out of game. Of course at the end of the day, RL cash is simply a reward for your time and effort, as are items earned in-game; the only difference is in possible uses and their consequences. So "it's all good ingame" is by itself a pretty crappy excuse for what isn't much different from pocket picking. Originally by: Lude Behaver Well today I logged in to find a contracted Plex card paid by my ceo. :/ God I want to take it so bad. LOL what would you do? No idea. Maybe keep escaping from reality until i have no money left to pay the rent. Maybe leave the game alone and try to improve my real life situation. Preferably in a respectable way. If only because in rl it's much harder to escape your reputation.
Yur mom	Posted - 2009.12.30 10:31:00 - [17] View it like it most likely is... that ceo probably just bought the plex with isk and contracted it to you. Don't go assuming anyone who knows you for less than a year would pump real money into your sorry ass. take the plex and leave his ass in the dust, either that or see how much you can squeeze out of him.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.12.30 10:51:00 - [18] Keep the ISK, reject the contract. It's the only right thing to do. Originally by: CCP Wrangler We are pleased to aim! Or was that the other way around?
Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.12.30 10:57:00 - [19] I say keep the isk, and plex. After that ask him if he would introduce you his mother.... Job complete. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.12.30 11:08:00 - [20] Pretty sad, just don't take the contract and come clean with the guy.
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2009.12.30 11:11:00 - [21] Edited by: Elena Laskova on 30/12/2009 11:14:08 OP: "Please tell me it's ok to stab my "friend" in the back, and set him up to do it again". He's the victim of a vicious scam. You're a thief. You've been pretending to be people's friend so you can steal their time. It seems you hide in the illusion that there's a difference between in-game time and other time /lol. You want to believe there's a difference between stealing ISK, stealing a PLEX, and stealing money from someone's wallet IRL /lol. Well, what does every thief do to self-justify? They get some other scumbag to tell them their victim deserved it. You started this thread in the hope that other players would tell you to take the PLEX and keep stealing. Of course this happened. This is EvE. Theft, scamming, ganking are all "game-legal". But that doesn't make them good behavior. Don't pretend you're not stealing something people value (their leisure time) from real people. Or that the large number of other thieves in the game change the nature of your actions. Your decision. Your actions. Your responsibility.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2009.12.30 11:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Lude Behaver Lets just say that my real life at the moment is at a low And you want to **** off a guy who has shown a willingness to help you? Yep, the phrase loser at life was invented for guys like you.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.12.30 11:16:00 - [23] Edited by: Furb Killer on 30/12/2009 11:16:06 Quote: Corp theft absolutely has a place in EVE, and the game would be diminished without it being a possibility. Would be true if there would be any consequences to it, but it is just done on alts only, removing any form of consequence or risk. It is a harsh world, except for the corp thieves who just get new alt. Quote: You found a decent, caring person with a lot of good qualities in Eve. Do you really want to prove that you are a jerk? This.
Solar Blade	Posted - 2009.12.30 11:17:00 - [24] Edited by: Solar Blade on 30/12/2009 11:18:19 if this were star wars you'd right now be standing on the point of no return to the dark side. Think about that. You've exploited several peoples trust, stolen what was theirs and now your even about to take a persons real money. When you do the later you can even consider it real life theft. Think where your boundaries lie. Cause when you accept his offer to give you a GTC you are no longer an innocent player. Instead you would have stolen 35 euro (dollars) from another person by lying to him. And that only adds up to your wrongdoings, If you accept that you might never forget or forgive yourself for what you have done. No matter how you deny it or pretend that its just a game... You will have a scammed a person into giving you his money with false trust.
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.30 11:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Pulivin Motic Edited by: Pulivin Motic on 30/12/2009 05:43:17 buy the ships back and put them back in the hanger, leave the corp and move on. Oh and dont except the contract tell him you got some money from your grandma or something this :)
innot Minmatar Gulliver Corp Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2009.12.30 11:32:00 - [26] stealing is bad mmkay
Tallaran Kouros Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.30 11:34:00 - [27] Tough one, but ultimately I would reject the contract. A game is a game and stealing is an accepted game mechanic, but taking the PLEX crosses a line IMO. Speaking personally, I couldn't accept it and feel good about myself afterwords.
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2009.12.30 11:44:00 - [28] Originally by: Lude Behaver I have come to the path I am on simply because I realized early on that I was either going to complain about being the victim or become the predator. This is where you made your first mistake. Your current quandary is rooted in this misapprehension. There are in fact several other ways, and I would suggest that you've started to glimpse some of the alternatives. Your conscience is going to have to be your final arbitrator in this matter; whether you treat the PLEX as an ingame item with the same trappings as any other, whether you consider it as real life cash or whether you treat it (as I would suspect it was intended) as an expression of the esteem in which someone holds you. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
innot Minmatar Gulliver Corp Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2009.12.30 11:57:00 - [29] just take it and get it over and done with
Oscardoodle Amarr	Posted - 2009.12.30 12:23:00 - [30] PLEX = in-game items thus fair game. If someone sold one accidentally for 300isk it'd be perfectly legit and they shouldn't get it back if they petitioned it. If someone is contracting you a plex (an in-game item) in-game... take it! I apologize for having one of those sigs...Sorry.
Spurty Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.30 12:51:00 - [31] Bad luck there mate. You have become the sort of cretin with terrible karma that steps in doggy poo, spots the mistake, takes a step to go wipe it off and steps in horsey poo. To the CEO that 'cared' enough to get you a plex, I doubt it's much swet off his nose the ISK but the burn will mold him into a better person. Best part about your story is no kids were hurt during your epic battle of conscience Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
Ricelord	Posted - 2009.12.30 13:05:00 - [32] Gimme the name of the guy, he might fall for more scams.
Alt0101	Posted - 2009.12.30 13:30:00 - [33] Edited by: Alt0101 on 30/12/2009 13:30:29 I say fk him. You know you want to. EVE is a game, yes, but the way you play it is a close mirror of your RL personality. Many people would like to kill, stealth, back stab, scamm and many other criminal activities to make a life or, simply, just for boost their ego, but, In RL, we have laws and you would go to Jail, and that stop them from do it. So, there we have EVE. A game where you can give freedom to your more dark and obscene RL feelings without any consequences. So, get as much as you can from him, try to keep lying and tell him you don't have even food or you are gonna lose your house and be on the streets. he may even give you real money to your RL bank account! Then, once you get use to back stab your frinds, you can start with your relatives. After that, you would have proven yourself if you really have a criminal mind. As least, is a good self-psychoanalysis experiment. Quote:** Just say NO to RMT ISK. - GM Grimmi
Minchurra Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.12.30 13:34:00 - [34] Originally by: Alt0101 I say f**k him. You know you want to. EVE is a game, yes, but the way you play it is a close mirror of your RL personality. Many people would lie to kill, stealth, back stab, scamm and many other criminal activities to make a life or, simply, just for boost their ego, but, In RL, we have laws and you would go to Jail, and that stop them from do it. So, there we have EVE. A game where you can give freedom to your more dark and obscene RL feelings without any consequences. So, get as much as you can from him, try to keep lying and tell him you don't have even food or you are gonna lose your house and be on the streets. he may even give you real money to your RL bank account! Then, once you get use to back stab your frinds, you can start with your relatives. After that, you would have proven yourself if you really have a criminal mind. As least, is a good self-psychoanalysis experiment. I like the cut of your gib sir. In any case, just take it. Why not? Treat it like a christmas present.
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2009.12.30 13:51:00 - [35] Welcome to Paranoid-Online!!! ________________________________________________
Isurus Paucus	Posted - 2009.12.30 13:57:00 - [36] Edited by: Isurus Paucus on 30/12/2009 13:57:56 The problem with corp scamming (which is what this is rather than merely stealing from your corp on the way out) is that it requires you to brand a bunch of things as fake that aren't necessarily so. The items are fake, the isk is fake, but the relationships are not, nor is the time and effort put into earning that fake stuff. In this particular case, you're not just stealing from some crappy corp that barely holds things together and is full of idiots. You're stealing from someone who has taken a real interest in YOU and has invested in that interest. It's not just corp theft, it's personal betrayal.
Hythloday	Posted - 2009.12.30 14:20:00 - [37] Edited by: Hythloday on 30/12/2009 14:25:19 Its a psychological thing. In RL, people will generally take things from work, small things like office supplies. They often won't think twice about taking those things, but they would be reluctant to just take their equivalent value in cash, even if its a few pennies. The 'its only a game' excuse which you use to silence your conscience after stealing enough ingame assets and ISK to buy many PLEXes on the ingame market, can easily be stretched to stealing an actual PLEX without any trouble whatsoever. But the fact is that a PLEX is considered to be more equatable to real money, and as a consequence you are less willing to just take it. If anything I think this might help illustrate what a flimsy excuse 'its just a game' is for lying to gain and then betray someone's trust so that you can steal everything that they (and their corpies) have put together. Now, I'm not against PvP or conquest, I see those as the ultimate form of competition, and competition is pretty much the whole point of the game being online. Even scammers I would be more ready to respect than corp thieves, because they will often prey on and profit from the victim's own greed. But corp thieves prey on the trust and altruism of others, and I'm afraid I can't respect that. Of course it would help if Eve's corp asset management systems didn't rely entirely on trust, with no failsafes whatsoever.
Mrs Thaiberian	Posted - 2009.12.30 14:55:00 - [38] Trust and altruism are human virtues that makes us different from animals. This statement works either in RL and in a virtual world (games) In EVE, items and Isk are nothing but 0's and 1's in a database server, BUT the trust, camaraderie and time that the real person behind the toon has invested in you is real. Now, if you wnat to F*** this up just to get some virtual profit, go ahead but, for me, you would have lost all your human values and become nothing more but a hyena and deserve to be treated as such.
Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau	Posted - 2009.12.30 15:26:00 - [39] Edited by: Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau on 30/12/2009 15:26:51 If you ask your question, because you worry that it would be stealing, then i would say take it. Eve is a game after all and stealing is fair game. If you ask, because you actually like the guy and don't want to make him miserable, then the question is, if he is someone, who can't really tell the difference between game and real life. In this thread for example you can find more than a few people, who obviously have some problems with that. If you think he is that kind of persone, then you should give it back. If you think, that he will just curse himself, because he was so stupid to fall for a scammer and move on... Well take it then. Seriously, i dont want to play Risk or Monopoly with some people here.
Morkalum Takor Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.12.30 15:34:00 - [40] Heh. This is where you get a chance to be what you really want to be...what you have always intended to be and now you are having second thoughts? Of the many stories of corp scamming/theft and or outright betrayals that EVE has presented to us, they too have shown this elaborate and complex in-game/RL relations with different groups/corps/alliance and then all of sudden get all discom"bob"ulated and things get quite ugly between the closest of friends. You know what you are already going to do, so you should do it, what you've always intended to do. You do know that with sincerity, right? My play style is much different. For instance, I just recently returned to EVE and noticed I had an old evemail where an old corp friend was asking for his Mastodon back that I had borrowed just before I had to stop playing. I could have ignored the evemail and just made the excuse that I had lost the mail if he ever popped back up and made inquiry or told him the ship blew up, or whatever excuse that sounded good at the time. The mastodon was cheaper when I was still playing, I could have made a decent profitable sale at this time. I did not do that, though. I've been playing the way I have always intended and I did what I felt had to be done and made contact with guy and sent the ship back to him through contract. So are you playing the way you have always intended? Is this what you want? Are you thinking too much about a person you only know through a digital game or is this technological/social environment really throwing you for a loop? You know what you want to do and intend to do. You should do whatever that is. "There's more than one side to a story..."-Reporter for the InterCorp Courier Enterprises
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.12.30 15:44:00 - [41] Why does everyone keep figuring that accepting the PLEX is stealing money? They are sold on the market. Sure a PLEX is created using money, but a good portion of those are then put up on the market for ISK. As a result there is no reason to assume that any PLEX automatically equals real-life money. As for the OP. #1 rule of running a con on someone, do not get personal. It causes the silly voices to start complaining. Which just proves that the conscience is a lazy bastard, because if it had been paying attention it would have said something days ago. Veal, murder. Baby Carrots, healthy snack. Food hypocrisy at work.
Henry Haphorn	Posted - 2009.12.30 15:46:00 - [42] This thread is perfect for a class on psychology and ethics.
Zervun Amarr hirr	Posted - 2009.12.30 15:52:00 - [43] Oh, youÆre a sorry excuse for a person. I love the way to try to rationalize your thievery. Yes Eve is a game and its all digital pixels but your stealing peoples time and effort. Your obviously someone who cannot be trusted both in game and out of game. Enjoy your ill gotten gains, it sounds like your Eve life and possibly your RL will be transient and full of disappointment.
Dannerkongen Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.12.30 16:24:00 - [44] ive spend more time in jail for theft than i have playing eve still!
Skoot Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2009.12.30 17:01:00 - [45] You were stupid for not trying to get the plex when the opportunity presented itself the night before when you were speaking. You would be stupid for not taking the plex. Fail thief for even asking that question.
Mrs Thaiberian	Posted - 2009.12.30 17:10:00 - [46] Originally by: Dannerkongen ive spend more time in jail for theft than i have playing eve still! would be awesome if they allow you to play EVE while in jail. so, you would have got plenty of "free" time to improve your criminal career in a virtual way.
Jane Fatale	Posted - 2009.12.30 17:25:00 - [47] You've already lost some points by asking what you should do in this situation. I'm disappointed in you. BUT, you can still walk away with a 7/10 - maybe 8/10 if we get ***** tears. Obviously you take the plex - and of course, be sure to thank him for his kindness and generosity. Once you are out of the corp you are free to explain to him exactly what just happened, tell him you wish him the very the best in his future eve ventures, and go buy yourself some new toys.
Boink'urr Minmatar Wasserette De Tarthorst	Posted - 2009.12.30 17:32:00 - [48] Edited by: Boink''urr on 30/12/2009 17:33:41 Posting in a roleplaying gansta rapper thread. Nerdland... that way guys o totally forgot keepitrealyo
Akorin Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.30 17:38:00 - [49] Originally by: Khemul Zula Why does everyone keep figuring that accepting the PLEX is stealing money? Because it is, and frankly so is stealing ISK. The second CCP legitimized real cash to game cash transfer, ISK officially stopped being just play money. It doesn't matter that you can't change it back. A Disney dollar is still a dollar, at least as long as people keep visiting Disney World. Now I'm not saying corp theft isn't a legitimate way to make money in game, but don't pretend like ISK has no value.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2009.12.30 18:24:00 - [50] reject the plex contract and move on. as you say, ingame corp theft is a legitimate mechanic and if you want to RP it away, do it - but the CEO has been a nice guy and tried to help you, and you're being a tool. \|+ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ +\|
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.12.30 18:46:00 - [51] Whichever of the two choices you make, I can tell you this: You will regret neither.
Isurus Paucus	Posted - 2009.12.30 18:51:00 - [52] Originally by: Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau Edited by: Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiau on 30/12/2009 15:26:51 If you ask, because you actually like the guy and don't want to make him miserable, then the question is, if he is someone, who can't really tell the difference between game and real life. In this thread for example you can find more than a few people, who obviously have some problems with that...Seriously, i dont want to play Risk or Monopoly with some people here. Not quite true. The 'social contract' in a game like this is quite different from something like risk or monopoly. You can't really compare them as Eve technically has no expectation that only one player will "win." The ethical expectations of a board game are completely different from something that is long-term and teamwork heavy. I am probably one of the nastiest bastards you can play with when it comes to things like Settlers, Risk, or similar. I am, after all, out to win. I will not, however, actively scam people who have a reasonable expectation of trust in me, such as my corp mates. Such actions are not in keeping with the game's specified objectives (I can't 'win') and it requires me to break real trust that wasn't expected to be broken at some point before a certain point near the game's end.
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.12.30 19:00:00 - [53] Originally by: Lude Behaver I have come to the path I am on simply because I realized early on that I was either going to complain about being the victim or become the predator. This self-delusional justification was the first step. You can not be a victim without being a predator. The saddest part of this is you don't seem to have seen that option. Don't use the approval or disapproval of forum posters as your next justification. You are responsible for what you do.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.12.30 19:02:00 - [54] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 30/12/2009 11:16:06 Quote: Corp theft absolutely has a place in EVE, and the game would be diminished without it being a possibility. Would be true if there would be any consequences to it, but it is just done on alts only, removing any form of consequence or risk. It is a harsh world, except for the corp thieves who just get new alt. Quote: You found a decent, caring person with a lot of good qualities in Eve. Do you really want to prove that you are a jerk? This. A point well made Furb, however I look at it from the point of view that corp theft helps to keep the game "edgy" and adds to the excitement and challenge of the game... not from the point of view as to how balanced it is with risk to the thief (you are perfectly right, there should be more risk to the thief). Before someone jumps to the end of the thread and reads this aside out of context, my main point is that everyone has to establish their own definition of what is in game behavior and what is out of game behavior. I view this as sticking a toe over the edge into out of game behavior, which the OP makes a clear distinction as being diametrically opposed to his in game behavior. Some people with the appropriate skills view it as perfectly acceptable to damage someone's home computer/software for the purpose of zapping them in game, with no regard for the financial difficulties that may inflict on the person and their families. They justify this behavior as a clever way to defeat their opponent, and justify it with "it doesn't matter, it's only a game". Well, that rational has limits. Everyone (at least everyone that considers themselves a decent person in real life) has to decide where they draw the line between in game and out of game behavior. This case, while obviously not as extreme as the example above, does seem to me to be right on the edge of that line. For me it would just a hair over that line, but the OP will have to make a personal decision as to where he draws his own line. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Cosmo Kramma	Posted - 2009.12.30 19:09:00 - [55] Hey, I'm new to this game, and I say if this guy couldn't see that you're taking him for a ride after those ships, go for it man, that's what Eve is all about! Don't ***** up now!
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2009.12.30 19:20:00 - [56] You play EVE for stuff, EVEs real strength is community, you fail at EVE. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2009.12.30 19:26:00 - [57] So you basically think you're asking if you should be an ***** or not. Well guess what, you are one already, you're just not sure if you should take it to heart or live in denial. Or you could stop being an ****, but I understand that it's pretty unlikely to change ones basic nature. Cheers, -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00*
Lude Behaver	Posted - 2009.12.31 07:37:00 - [58] Thank you all for your comments. I have decided to keep the is isk i made from the ships and reject the Plex contract. I will continue my corp thefts and will revamp stricter guidelines to personal relationships in game. Regardless of the debate on plex being RL money or not. The fact is, this guy offered me a plex out of kindness. I wont take the plex because that, for me, does cross the line. My mission was to steal the ships and thats what I did. I will leave his corp and send an email thanking him for his kindness and wish him the best of luck.
Surxkas	Posted - 2009.12.31 07:45:00 - [59] Originally by: Lude Behaver Thank you all for your comments. I have decided to keep the is isk i made from the ships and reject the Plex contract. I will continue my corp thefts and will revamp stricter guidelines to personal relationships in game. Regardless of the debate on plex being RL money or not. The fact is, this guy offered me a plex out of kindness. I wont take the plex because that, for me, does cross the line. My mission was to steal the ships and thats what I did. I will leave his corp and send an email thanking him for his kindness and wish him the best of luck. Your not that bad after all.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2009.12.31 08:20:00 - [60] Put back the ships, Put back the Plex, you dont meet people like this very often, you'll come to see that his friendship is more valuble than the ships and the plex.
Fuzzy Pirate	Posted - 2009.12.31 08:31:00 - [61] Get the guy to do jobs with you. Teach him the dark ways.
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2009.12.31 09:50:00 - [62] Originally by: Aaron Put back the ships, Put back the Plex, you dont meet people like this very often, you'll come to see that his friendship is more valuble than the ships and the plex. True. But OP and his ilk are the reason you don't see the friendly and trusting side of people in EvE. The game has come to simulate a society in which the rule of law has failed (e.g. Somalia). It could have turned out differently - the exact same game engine would as easily support a society in whch you could trust people. But EvE isn't just the game, it's also the players. And OP's self-justifying nonsense ("back-stabbing and theft is fine, but I'm not a lowlife if I don't steal PLEXes" /lol) is the norm. EvE would be a lot more fun if there were more gamers and fewer griefers.
Hamano Walker	Posted - 2009.12.31 10:59:00 - [63] I disagree, but only a bit. The exact game mechanic could, in theory, have allowed a trusting environment int he same way that Communism could work. That is they could both work if populated entirely by people whose priority was to make them work. Its the difference between self interest (doing what's best for you right now) and enlightened self interest (doing what will be best for you in the long term). Robbing the corp blind would be in the OP's self interest. He gets an advantage on the game of more money and more game time. In the long term, though, working with a corp that supportive will pay back far more than the iskies he stands to gain today. Having said that, the game is a fairly lawless game world. Lying, stealing, cheating (within the mechanics) etc. are perfectly valid ways to play, much like the card game Illuminati. If you're not playing paranoid, you will find someone less nice than the OP sooner or later. Don't take it personally. Its a game. Learn from it and go have fun. Its your EVE, enjoy it. --- How to deal with issues in EVE: Fight it, avoid it, run from it, buy it off, cry about it or learn from it.
Lo3d3R Darkness and Chaos	Posted - 2009.12.31 11:41:00 - [64] Originally by: Aaron Put back the ships, Put back the Plex, you dont meet people like this very often, you'll come to see that his friendship is more valuble than the ships and the plex. Exactly what is a few million ISK compared to a game experience in good company. ___________________ Sexy Time:
Imbosol Norand	Posted - 2009.12.31 11:43:00 - [65] Originally by: Elena Laskova And OP's self-justifying nonsense ("back-stabbing and theft is fine, but I'm not a lowlife if I don't steal PLEXes" /lol) is the norm. EvE would be a lot more fun if there were more gamers and fewer griefers. In a game i used to play, we had a sway for dealing with people like this. If you scammed your guild/corp mates, you would be pk'ed out of the game. Pretty much the only place you could ever go was a city, step outside the gate and there would be 500+ odd players waiting to kill you, take all your gear then sacrifice it in front of you while singing the teapot song. This would go on until the character stopped logging in. Personally i think the OP should take the PLEX, and that the CEO of the corp in question forms a huge alliance with the sole purpose of war dec'ing any corp you end up in and when you find you have no friends left, suicide ganks you to the point where you cant leave a station if all you have left is a NPC corp. But then, im all for getting even ten times over on anyone who takes advantage of my trust.
Kenosos	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:26:00 - [66] Edited by: Kenosos on 31/12/2009 20:26:02 Originally by: Imbosol Norand Originally by: Elena Laskova And OP's self-justifying nonsense ("back-stabbing and theft is fine, but I'm not a lowlife if I don't steal PLEXes" /lol) is the norm. EvE would be a lot more fun if there were more gamers and fewer griefers. In a game i used to play, we had a sway for dealing with people like this. If you scammed your guild/corp mates, you would be pk'ed out of the game. Pretty much the only place you could ever go was a city, step outside the gate and there would be 500+ odd players waiting to kill you, take all your gear then sacrifice it in front of you while singing the teapot song. This would go on until the character stopped logging in. Personally i think the OP should take the PLEX, and that the CEO of the corp in question forms a huge alliance with the sole purpose of war dec'ing any corp you end up in and when you find you have no friends left, suicide ganks you to the point where you cant leave a station if all you have left is a NPC corp. But then, im all for getting even ten times over on anyone who takes advantage of my trust. This game wouldn't happen to be Lineage II would it?
Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:42:00 - [67] Originally by: Lude Behaver Thank you all for your comments. I have decided to keep the is isk i made from the ships and reject the Plex contract. I will continue my corp thefts and will revamp stricter guidelines to personal relationships in game. Regardless of the debate on plex being RL money or not. The fact is, this guy offered me a plex out of kindness. I wont take the plex because that, for me, does cross the line. My mission was to steal the ships and thats what I did. I will leave his corp and send an email thanking him for his kindness and wish him the best of luck. I have to say, I'm pleased and impressed that you did "the right thing." hope it felt good :) \|+ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ +\|
Babyface Thirteen	Posted - 2010.01.01 00:42:00 - [68] If you feel its wrong dont do it. Either you have what it takes to be a super******* or you dont. There is no middle way in this area.
Cosmo Kramma	Posted - 2010.01.01 00:49:00 - [69] Originally by: Lude Behaver Thank you all for your comments. I have decided to keep the is isk i made from the ships and reject the Plex contract. I will continue my corp thefts and will revamp stricter guidelines to personal relationships in game. Regardless of the debate on plex being RL money or not. The fact is, this guy offered me a plex out of kindness. I wont take the plex because that, for me, does cross the line. My mission was to steal the ships and thats what I did. I will leave his corp and send an email thanking him for his kindness and wish him the best of luck. YO, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THIS CORP CAUSE i WANNA SCAM THIS CUP CAKE TOO!
Isabol Morreax	Posted - 2010.01.01 02:21:00 - [70] Originally by: Lude Behaver Edited by: Lude Behaver on 30/12/2009 05:01:38 Corp theft is one of the many ways a person can gain isk in the game. [snip] We started carrying on a convo about real life. Lets just say that my real life at the moment is at a low and money is tight. My ceo had asked me about my game membership and was wondering if I was going to be able to afford to play. I simply replied that I was not sure but that I could work it out. We logged and that was that. Well today I logged in to find a contracted Plex card paid by my ceo. :/ God I want to take it so bad. LOL what would you do? A decent person cares enough about the horrors of your life to extend a helping hand to ease your real life hardship, affording you 60 days of escape from the drudgery of your existance and you laughingly ask ? You are not alone. Know that. This very thing has happened to me. I left the game over it. It wounded my heart. I actually cared about the people I was playing with. NEVER AGAIN ! ! Your actions are reflective of the hopes and wishes of CCP for their "sandbox" or they'd ban you over this. They won't. They will laugh and tell those people when they submit petition over it that eve is harsh and they foolish. Admonish that we are foolish to care about strangers and how life is kicking ** out of them all over this globe. They will be able to honestly point out it is OUR fault, not yours, because we forgot that this is a "sandbox". You broke no eula. You found a hard working human beings and rub in their face and had to brag about it. You just stabbed in the back someone who willingly came to your aid when you are starting to feel the pinch. You made for damned certain none will be there when you really need him to be. KARMA**
Windows ME	Posted - 2010.01.01 03:05:00 - [71] Stop thinking, you're just an in game scammer. Take the plex and GTFO of his corp. Is that so hard.
Agent 42	Posted - 2010.01.01 03:06:00 - [72] A while back I lent what I thought to be a new eve player (new corp mate) 22 mil to buy some learning books. I think he left the corp the next day and blocked me. 22 mil won't break my bank but its the principle. LOL serves me right I guess. Its **** like this that makes Eve a good mental exercise. Never trust anyone. I guess the upside to this story is that I have a reason to suicide gank a player. His username is Carsoll, and if I ever see him in a hulk or industrial ship, I'll take it as tribute. As for the OP if your only thrill in this game is to rip players off then go for it. Your ex friend will be wiser for it. From the sound of it though I'd say some things are more valuable than isk.
Laodell Gallente Industrial Legion of EVE TERMINATI0N	Posted - 2010.01.01 03:09:00 - [73] Edited by: Laodell on 01/01/2010 03:09:47 Originally by: Lude Behaver KARMA KARMA - Laodell -
JaseNZ Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.01 10:35:00 - [74] Originally by: Khemul Zula Why does everyone keep figuring that accepting the PLEX is stealing money? They are sold on the market. Sure a PLEX is created using money, but a good portion of those are then put up on the market for ISK. As a result there is no reason to assume that any PLEX automatically equals real-life money. Trip yourself up there at all? lol. Somewhere, at some point, someone got a GTC from CCP, or an affiliated website, paid for with real life currency. Said person then put this into the game as 2 PLEX, then listed them on the market. Another player then bought these on the market using ISK, then applies it to their account, and saves themselve 30 days subscription being paid to CCP (CCP still gets the money that would have been paid, via the GTC that started the whole scenario.)
Fat Willy	Posted - 2010.01.01 11:09:00 - [75] Originally by: Lude Behaver Thank you all for your comments. I have decided to keep the is isk i made from the ships and reject the Plex contract. I will continue my corp thefts and will revamp stricter guidelines to personal relationships in game. Regardless of the debate on plex being RL money or not. The fact is, this guy offered me a plex out of kindness. I wont take the plex because that, for me, does cross the line. My mission was to steal the ships and thats what I did. I will leave his corp and send an email thanking him for his kindness and wish him the best of luck. Good call. Corp theft is about your in-game persona, the character you are. The PLEX issue is about who you are in RL. The other complicated part of your situation is that you've let RL into your in-game relationships with the CEO. Feel the pain, it goes with the character you have chosen to be. So what is the next course to take? Either toughen up and move on, put it all behind you and be the untrustworthy character that you have chosen to play. Or wake up to a different way of playing EVE, if you think that in-game comradeship is real and valuable, come back from the dark side!
Winters Chill Amarr Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.01.01 11:22:00 - [76] I say Munchausen Syndrome? Op is talking 100% bull****.

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