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Slavemaster	Posted - 2009.12.31 19:52:00 - [1] First of all, I have been on off this game for a long time so I am not gonna be the Judge, or Gonna tell anyone what to do. - But, I do hope we can figure out a new Credit Rating System. And all we need is an updated thread that will do it. I`ll make it easy and say the Cosmoray can both be an investor and the Man, who does the Rating. Dont reinvent the wheel here it is Credit rating - There are many out there that do wanna invest, and do need Isk for investments. As Well for the tards that think that scamming is "fun" Whats the point? - The higher the rating more you can "trust" ex has proven and given out the promised Iks X numbers of times.. - Not Everyone her knows people by name, and the Credit rating will make sure that you dont need to ask - X have done X many bonds with a 100% rate. but one that have just joined MD dont know him *Feel free to comment.
Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:08:00 - [2] What would I be rated?
Vahdrok Nyrus OX Syndicate Shipyards	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:11:00 - [3] Does checking your rating lower it? -----------------------------
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:13:00 - [4] A commendable goal, but too unlikely to be worth working on in my opinion. Prove me wrong though and I'll be the first to sign on.
Decoded Expleo	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Vahdrok Nyrus Does checking your rating lower it? haha
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:18:00 - [6] Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 31/12/2009 20:19:27 Originally by: Slavemaster the Cosmoray Since when did cosmo get a definite article in front of his name? Can I be The Dretzle? It would even make sense in my case, since there is another one of me to distinguish from. Originally by: Kalrand What would I be rated? Well, since cosmo is doing the rating, and you're a Goon, that would drop your rating by about 300, I would guess.
Hippopotamus Rex	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:22:00 - [7] Edited by: Hippopotamus Rex on 31/12/2009 20:25:22 Agreed with SetrakDark. Personally, I think there are far too many unknowns to accurately predict credit-worthiness. The anonymity of Eve makes these unknowns unlikely to ever be resolved. No harm in discussing it, however. I don't see a way, but if someone does see a way to make this viable, I think it would be invaluable. EDIT: Sorry Kalrand, I think the Dretzle is right. This system does not bode well for you.
Slavemaster	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:26:00 - [8] Edited by: Slavemaster on 31/12/2009 20:27:32 Originally by: Kalrand What would I be rated? To be honest i dont care :D But beeing part of Waffen cant help. - Gee, Man let the "Cosmoray" figure it our Dont take this as an insult but I dont get it it. You wanna have respect and be "The Man" but at the same time (So, I have been told) you are part of the ghetto in eve. Tast that trooper :)
Vahdrok Nyrus OX Syndicate Shipyards	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Hippopotamus Rex Edited by: Hippopotamus Rex on 31/12/2009 20:25:22 Sorry Kalrand, I think the Dretzle is right. This system does not bode well for you. I see what you did there -----------------------------
Slavemaster	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:39:00 - [10] ... For many this is a chat channel, and for all I know to many of you even have slept togheter. * But the point of this is to get some sort of System for the UNbelievers, the Pagan. And give the ISK to the Man that is Worthy of it... K-thx
RJ Nobel Nobel Research and Development	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:46:00 - [11] Edited by: RJ Nobel on 31/12/2009 20:47:10 Perhaps you ought to ask Cosmoray if he's interested in this before appointing him? Better yet, why bother with a formal system if you're just going to invest based on the decision-making skills of someone else? If you see Cosmo invest in something, then throw your own money at it. Edit: forgot to /sarcasm Much of the reason for MD's existence isn't "moar iskies" - it's the enjoyment of presenting, discussing, and evaluating investment ideas. Trying to skip all of that (or using someone else's work) is a recipe for disappointment.
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.31 20:52:00 - [12] Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 31/12/2009 20:53:44 Originally by: RJ Nobel Much of the reason for MD's existence isn't "moar iskies" - it's the enjoyment of presenting, discussing, and evaluating investment ideas. Trying to skip all of that (or using someone else's work) is a recipe for disappointment. Adding to that, the existance of alts makes a credit rating system impossible. In real life, it has a use (as long as fraud is not involved) because you are you and no matter what you do, you will always be you, so a credit rating of meaning can be attached to you and your actions. In Eve, you can scam (credit rating to 0, in my opinion, but cosmoray will still give you decent enough credit to invest in, I guess ), then tomorrow (or a month ago) create an alt, start training it, even engage in activity to try to have a meaningful audit, for the sole purpose of scam. Rinse repeat. You have no way of attaching that rating to a person to make it meaningful (though Riethe is an interesting contradiction; somehow he keeps getting away with it). As others, if you can prove us wrong, hey, we're all for it. Originally by: Slavemaster ... For many this is a chat channel, and for all I know to many of you even have slept togheter. I find it quite ironic that your off hand comment about our "chats" actually goes to prove our points. "For all you know" we're all Riethe alts.
Slavemaster	Posted - 2009.12.31 21:00:00 - [13] Edited by: Slavemaster on 31/12/2009 21:01:18 Edited by: Slavemaster on 31/12/2009 21:00:12 Ay...... But, to get the ball rolling we cant be like the Ancient trade guilds, or the Freemasons. - I know that knowing the "The man" will lower the risk, buts that like throwing bombs at the "spinning jenny" And EVE is full of Anarchist for the moment
Varo Jan Caravanserai Consulting	Posted - 2009.12.31 21:05:00 - [14] This proposal has been discussed before - and it ended up exactly where this proposal will - in a place where cosmo¦s rays don¦t shine.
Slavemaster	Posted - 2009.12.31 21:16:00 - [15] Edited by: Slavemaster on 31/12/2009 21:17:22 Edited by: Slavemaster on 31/12/2009 21:16:42 Originally by: Varo Jan This proposal has been discussed before - and it ended up exactly where this proposal will - in a place where cosmo¦s rays don¦t shine. Well let the "Cosmoray" have something to say, if he dont wanna do it, ok... But, this is no freebie, to be on the list he will take a commission of the trade. Thats the only way it can operate. - And if you dont wanna be on the list >>>>>>> Jita local. I am not burning witches here, just trying to getting some sort of system...
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.31 22:04:00 - [16] I want no part of this!! I have my own credit rating system (mainly my gut instincts), and that seems to be off lately. I have been getting slammed for my own personal opinions, so there is no way I am putting official endorsements behind any IPO's/bonds. If people want me to do some sort of official rating system I would charge a fee, and it wouldn't be a small amount. I would have to audit a bond/IPO and give a rating. I see that most auditors charge about 10M/hr for their audits until they get bored and then give up auditing. Most audits can take 5-10 hours (VV), I would charge at least 100/200M per hour mainly because auditing doesn't interest me so it would have to be very valuable. I pass.
Slavemaster	Posted - 2009.12.31 22:33:00 - [17] Edited by: Slavemaster on 31/12/2009 22:35:14 Uggh Bha, well ok, just trying to find a system where the "Real deal" Bha. Pfffff unless anyone else wanna pick it up, its Dead... Psst It was just a Rating, no isk invovd Cosmo
Ambo I've Got Nothing	Posted - 2010.01.01 06:55:00 - [18] If you really wanted to do something like this then I would recommend a system where several 'experts' all give separate ratings to an IPO (for example), the individual ratings could then be combined to form a recommendation. However, I have to say I really don't see the point. If an investor can't be bothered to do their own research and think for themselves then sooner or later they will become unstuck. --------------------------------------
Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.01.01 09:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Dretzle Omega Originally by: Kalrand What would I be rated? Well, since cosmo is doing the rating, and you're a Goon, that would drop your rating by about 300, I would guess. Originally by: Hippopotamus Rex EDIT: Sorry Kalrand, I think the Dretzle is right. This system does not bode well for you. Originally by: Slavemaster Originally by: Kalrand What would I be rated? To be honest i dont care :D But beeing part of Waffen cant help. - Gee, Man let the "Cosmoray" figure it our Dont take this as an insult but I dont get it it. You wanna have respect and be "The Man" but at the same time (So, I have been told) you are part of the ghetto in eve. Tast that trooper :) Well. I guess you can count me as a no vote for this whole credit rating system.
F90OEX F9X Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.01.01 21:46:00 - [20] Yep, Good idea on paper like a lot of things in Eve. But sadly that's about it.
Clementina Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.01 22:14:00 - [21] To be honest anyone giving out credit ratings who is doing their job properly would give out such low ratings that it would be an utter embarrassment to the entire Market Discussions forum. Your average Eve pilot is closer to Casey Serin then to Warren Buffet.

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