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SGT INTAKI	Posted - 2010.01.01 11:11:00 - [1] Edited by: SGT INTAKI on 01/01/2010 11:12:17 I can now fly a Kronos after getting my BS skill to lvl 5. Now, all I want to know is, which is better, is it worth me training the Kronos up for the lvl 4's or should I stick with the Domi?
Mobious25	Posted - 2010.01.01 11:12:00 - [2] Kronos
TimMc Gallente Extradition	Posted - 2010.01.01 11:25:00 - [3] Navy Domi
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2010.01.01 11:28:00 - [4] Edited by: Pottsey on 01/01/2010 11:28:43 A Domi () if you are ganking and someone else is tanking otherwise a Kronos. Not a navy Domi due to less DPS with sent drones. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
SGT INTAKI	Posted - 2010.01.01 11:29:00 - [5] Originally by: TimMc Navy Domi I've been looking at those as well, so, really need advice, I've been flying the Domi as my main lvl4 ship, but I now fancy a change after seeing that the Kronos has dropped in price.
Daveion Steel Gallente Steel Capital investments	Posted - 2010.01.01 11:33:00 - [6] I just got my Kronos for Xmas, have to say I rather like it, the resists you can get are pretty impressive, I can tank more than I ever could in my Duel Lar fit Domi, and I also hit harder making missions faster. However The Domi is more of an AFKer if you need it to be and the Massive damage you can get from your drones with interfacing and BS 5 is very nice on the Domi. I feel the Kronos for when you have dedicated time to sit at your Pc and the Domi for when yor kids are still flying about the house and need some attention from time to time. Happy new year.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.01 11:33:00 - [7] If you also want to loot + salvage with same account, definately a kronos.
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2010.01.01 11:46:00 - [8] [Dominix Navy Issue, PVE Shield Tanking] Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Optimal Range Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Ogre II x5 This is a navy domi. It's not meant to use sentries cause you can't put 2x damage augmentor. This fit permatank 410dps omni (so more with rat specific hardeners) It dishes 950dps without implants. Far more than a Kronos. For salvaging i prefer 2 solutions than marauders - Orca tractoring, making ball of wreck then undocking a 8xsalvager BC - my favourite pimped solution: a strategic cruiser with bonus to tractor beams. Mhhhh so faaasty.
Liang Nuren The Lollypop Factory	Posted - 2010.01.01 11:52:00 - [9] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/01/2010 11:55:33 Originally by: Kaian Voskhod [Dominix Navy Issue, PVE Shield Tanking] Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Optimal Range Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Um. That's really expensive. Is this your main? I mean. Wow. WOW that's expensive. -Liang Ed: Also, I'm just curious how long its going to take you to "pay off" those modules? I know you could liquidate them, but ... Ed: Also, this isn't your main, unless you run L3s for the Caldari Navy in your super pimped domi. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
SGT INTAKI	Posted - 2010.01.01 11:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Kaian Voskhod [Dominix Navy Issue, PVE Shield Tanking] Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Optimal Range Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Um. That's really expensive. Is this your main? I mean. Wow. WOW that's expensive. -Liang I was thinking the same thing, will T2 gear work just as well, or is it best to fit the Kronos or Navy issue with Faction Gear?
Liang Nuren The Lollypop Factory	Posted - 2010.01.01 12:28:00 - [11] BTW, this is the direction I'd try to take a Navy Domi: [Dominix Navy Issue, Traditional Sentry Domi] Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Drone Link Augmentor I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II [empty rig slot] Garde II x5 I EFT'ed a PST fit, but it really lacked on damage mods. The Rattlesnake however....... -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.01 13:45:00 - [12] Only that shield booster is really expensive, rest is reasonable. I would probably switch web for another hardener, then you can drop down to cheaper shield booster.
Linia Gallente Nutritional Warfare Housing	Posted - 2010.01.01 15:39:00 - [13] guns on domi = WRONG, just plain wrong. You will need a civilian gun of some sort to "aggro", nothing else. One image per sig and please be EVE related. Zymurgist
Jin Jemai Tripod Enterprises	Posted - 2010.01.01 16:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Furb Killer Only that shield booster is really expensive, rest is reasonable. I would probably switch web for another hardener, then you can drop down to cheaper shield booster. It's close to a bil in mods not including the booster. Add the navy domi 800mil price tag on top of it and you got yourself a ship begging to be suicide ganked.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.01 17:15:00 - [15] While there are always some grievers who suicide gank everything expensive, most who suicide gank mission ships want something back for it. So they dont care about how expensive the ship itself is, or its rigs, since they are gone after the gank. Not fitting faction damage mods and tracking mods on a faction BS or marauder is just plain stupid. If you spend a billion on the ship it is reasonable to also spend a billion on the mods. Especially t2 rigs since they wont drop anyway. So no, besides the shield booster the fitting isnt expensive for mission navy domi.
Smk56	Posted - 2010.01.01 17:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Furb Killer While there are always some grievers who suicide gank everything expensive, most who suicide gank mission ships want something back for it. So they dont care about how expensive the ship itself is, or its rigs, since they are gone after the gank. Not fitting faction damage mods and tracking mods on a faction BS or marauder is just plain stupid. If you spend a billion on the ship it is reasonable to also spend a billion on the mods. Especially t2 rigs since they wont drop anyway. So no, besides the shield booster the fitting isnt expensive for mission navy domi. Why are you defending him? That fit is silly and expensive. He is using ogres with zero drone mods on his ship, which for half of the stuff, he may as well keep them docked. They're going to be slow as molasses. The tracking computer and enhancer are going to cost something like 150-200m and give no real benefit. .5 better optimal and .5 better tracking respectively, I believe. The caldari navy invulns, which are nice, cost something like 400 mil each. They're also out done by rat specific hardeners. You can get A-type specific hardeners for 10x less even. As nice as it looks on paper the fit will only be using its gun dps for like 80% of everything. The ogres will spend way, way too much time traveling to be a real factor.
Pantload Gallente The Underpants Gnomes Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.01.01 18:14:00 - [17] Originally by: Linia guns on domi = WRONG, just plain wrong. You will need a civilian gun of some sort to "aggro", nothing else. It has 6 turret hardpoints and a gun damage bonus. Where is the WRONG? The Domi gets damage bonuses to BOTH of its weapon systems ( drones AND guns ). Its entirely sensible to make use of BOTH. TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy corporations here
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Smk56 Originally by: Furb Killer While there are always some grievers who suicide gank everything expensive, most who suicide gank mission ships want something back for it. So they dont care about how expensive the ship itself is, or its rigs, since they are gone after the gank. Not fitting faction damage mods and tracking mods on a faction BS or marauder is just plain stupid. If you spend a billion on the ship it is reasonable to also spend a billion on the mods. Especially t2 rigs since they wont drop anyway. So no, besides the shield booster the fitting isnt expensive for mission navy domi. Why are you defending him? That fit is silly and expensive. He is using ogres with zero drone mods on his ship, which for half of the stuff, he may as well keep them docked. They're going to be slow as molasses. The tracking computer and enhancer are going to cost something like 150-200m and give no real benefit. .5 better optimal and .5 better tracking respectively, I believe. The caldari navy invulns, which are nice, cost something like 400 mil each. They're also out done by rat specific hardeners. You can get A-type specific hardeners for 10x less even. As nice as it looks on paper the fit will only be using its gun dps for like 80% of everything. The ogres will spend way, way too much time traveling to be a real factor. Ignoring the shield booster again, the fit is not expensive. A 1B isk pve ship deserves a 1B isk fitting. Shield tanking a domi also isnt silly, it is the way to achieve highest DPS (although i would go for 425mm rails). I agree on the rat specific hardeners, and that ogres are way too slow indeed. So yes go for sentries, and yes with shield tank you get less drone upgrades. But you do get alot of turret DPS. Tracking enhancers and computer help your tracking/optimal alot, so what would be wrong with that? (Personally i would fit it different, for example i would any day take target painter over tracking computer on gun domi. Also i would use few more slots for tank, so he doesnt need such an expensive shield booster, and i would use sentries. However in principle nothing wrong with the idea of a shield navy domi which costs 2B).
Liang Nuren The Lollypop Factory	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Furb Killer Ignoring the shield booster again, the fit is not expensive. A 1B isk pve ship deserves a 1B isk fitting. Comments: - Ignoring the shield booster is a mistake. - The fit is way, way overpriced for the performance you get out of it. - Its a **ing pi±ata man... maybe worthwhile even without the shield booster. With the shield booster? Definitely. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:24:00 - [20] An advice: NEVER POST PIMPED FIT SHIPS, YELLING I'VE IT I'VE IT WITH YOUR MAIN! It pulls suicide gankers like flies on a ****. So, Kaian is not my main Anyway, actually i don't have a X type SB fitted, i agree, too expensive. B type, believe me is enough. All that matter beyond 350 tank is only dps. Yop i use sometimes sentries, but i complete missions faster with a smart use of ogres. I mean if 2 rats are 40km away doesn't mean they are 40km each other... + Guns are lol for killing frigs approaching you with 0 transversal velo.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:31:00 - [21] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Furb Killer Ignoring the shield booster again, the fit is not expensive. A 1B isk pve ship deserves a 1B isk fitting. Comments: - Ignoring the shield booster is a mistake. - The fit is way, way overpriced for the performance you get out of it. - Its a ****ing pi±ata man... maybe worthwhile even without the shield booster. With the shield booster? Definitely. -Liang I am ignoring it, because as i told now several times but some pinatas dont want to read, i would fit another hardener so you can fit way cheaper SB. (And rat specific ones instead of CNs). The point i made, and will make again, having a 1B isk fitting on a faction BS or marauder is fine, and a shield tanked navy domi is a realistic option.
Liang Nuren The Lollypop Factory	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:32:00 - [22] Originally by: Kaian Voskhod NEVER POST PIMPED FIT SHIPS, YELLING I'VE IT I'VE IT WITH YOUR MAIN! I post semi pimped things on my main all the time. What pulls suicide gankers is posting ridiculously expensive setups - and your ship definitely qualified. Man, you really can get much much better performance out of a better fitting. I might have understood the Ogres if you had an AB and were looting/salvaging as you went. :-/ -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Lyris Nairn Caldari Hashimoto Corporation	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:59:00 - [23] The answer is... Ishtar! \o/ 570 DPS with sentries at 40km optimal.
ArmyOfMe The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2010.01.01 20:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Kaian Voskhod An advice: NEVER POST PIMPED FIT SHIPS, YELLING I'VE IT I'VE IT WITH YOUR MAIN! It pulls suicide gankers like flies on a **. My mission ships are in the same price range as that domi, and ive never been worried about suicide gankers, but if anyone is looking for me they can find me in murethand Originally by:** Linia guns on domi = WRONG, just plain wrong. You will need a civilian gun of some sort to "aggro", nothing else. nub, just crawl back under whatever rock u crawled out of.
Footoo Rama Gallente Caldari Illuminati	Posted - 2010.01.01 22:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Linia guns on domi = WRONG, just plain wrong. You will need a civilian gun of some sort to "aggro", nothing else. Wow your doing it wrong... You can fit a level 4 tank and guns and be cap stable in a sentry fit... Why give up the DPS? what are you using the fitting for instead on PvE fit? [Dominix, Sentry] Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Capacitor Power Relay II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I 100MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Drone Link Augmentor I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Garde II x5 Curator II x5 Please tell me what to fit instead of guns? well tanked, and cap stable with guns and single repper? Sure it is not a pure AFK boat, but with adding a cap recharger and pulling the mag stabs for resists it is one. But in all honesty AFk boats do not work in the majority of missions as a large majority of missions have respawns that will agro drones. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
caboaddict	Posted - 2010.01.02 01:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Linia guns on domi = WRONG, just plain wrong. You will need a civilian gun of some sort to "aggro", nothing else. Only if you want to salvage as you go......and there is nothing wrong with guns on a Domi!! I have a more gank oriented fit which I haven't had too many problems with while my alt trains for the uber passive onyx. Personally I go with the following fit: 2x MFS II 1x DC II 1x Imperial Navy LAR 3x Hardeners 3x cap recharger II 1x Omnidirectional 1x Target Painter 3x 425 II 1x 350 II 1x Tractor 1x DLA 3x CCC I's 5x garde II 5x mission spec sentries 5x hammerheads 5x hobs Frankly the garde's will destroy anything that gets in under 16 km and I am instapopping all frigs, 2-3 shoting cruisers.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.02 02:07:00 - [27] Originally by: Linia guns on domi = WRONG, just plain wrong. You will need a civilian gun of some sort to "aggro", nothing else. If you ignore the guns on the Domi, you might as well stop using battleships altogether and get something like an Ishtar instead. It does at least as much damage, it is smaller and faster, it tanks better, and it doesn't attract ninjas like flies. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
SGT INTAKI	Posted - 2010.01.02 10:38:00 - [28] Hmm, it seems that I have a few choices to make, but it seems that I'm being told to keep using the Domi. I guess I'll have to get the Kronos and set it up for fleet missions then. Still, it gives me scope for thought, I will be fitting T2! But seeing peoples fits for the Domi is interesting, I may be able to use some myself and pick the one which works best for me!
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.02 10:42:00 - [29] The discussion went offtopic to navy domi fittings. But for solo mission running get a kronos. Worst of marauders, still better than navy domi imo, simply because of 3 spare high slots + 40km tractors.
Liang Nuren The Lollypop Factory	Posted - 2010.01.02 19:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Furb Killer The discussion went offtopic to navy domi fittings. But for solo mission running get a kronos. Worst of marauders, still better than navy domi imo, simply because of 3 spare high slots + 40km tractors. OMG, can I agree with Furb on something?!?! Apparently so. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org

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