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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.02 21:58:00 -
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Thought I'd bring this over for you from the hulkageddon page:
(i'll pick out some choice bits in bold for you)
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FreeMiner Says:
January 2, 2010 at 9:16 pm e
At least IÆm not shooting other people down and killing their fun in the game out of a lying pretence to ædo it for the betterment of mankindÆ or æto weed out AFK minersÆà
But still you are right on one point, something my corp has also pointed out to me. This is a sandbox game, and even though I would really like adult supervision on the kids who just canÆt play nice with others, this is not in the game and so IÆll have to suffer (als with me all honest miners) or get out.
ItÆs in the fineprint of the game and though I think it sucks the big one, apparently it shall be so because too little people are willing to take it to the board, warn CCP and take action like quitting the game if this is not immidiately stopped from their end.
Alas, I love the game too much to do so myself, so blame no one that their not doing it either.
As I said, itÆs in the game, and IÆll be mission running to increase my refining stat untill this bull is over. But to any who have the balls
to stand up for what they believe in, the freedom to mine in peace, I say Miners are mocked, ridiculed, highseccers are referred to as carebears like enjoying safe flying is a weakness, and enough is just frigging enough! Take up petition to CCP again this blatent dispespect of our fun in the game. Spam CCP and maybe we will get their ear.
To my opinion this Hulkageddon is a sad sad affair, when the bullyÆs of the playground are allowed to take over the sandbox.
If people would know better than to think any act of war (even in sandbox) is fun, the world would be a much better place. CCP should be ashamed for letting this happen and encouraging warplay.
Yes, I am a dreamer and it is what I wish to be. Who are you to destroy what I enjoy, just for your own fun at destruction.
My credo will stay and always be: do as ye will, harm no one and I will always believe it is a hell of a lot better than that of anyone who makebelieve they are æking of the mountainÆ.
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This guy owes me new sides. mine have just split.
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Discrodia
Gallente
Experimental Horizons
Devotion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.02 21:59:00 -
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In before the fail.... o wait...
 Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Locked, thread is filled with trolling.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.01.02 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson
Yes, I am a dreamer and it is what I wish to be.
:imagine:
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Paul Clavet
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.01.02 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Erichk Knaar
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Yes, I am a dreamer and it is what I wish to be.
:imagine:
Imagine there's no miners
It's easy if you try
Nobody munching on rocks
Only asteroids, rats, and sky
Imagine all the carebears
Shouting at their screens
You may say I'm a griefer
But I'm not the only one
For a week (or two), please join us
Grab a cruiser, have some fun
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Crewman Jenkins
Caldari
Malicious Demi-Lancers
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Posted - 2010.01.02 22:56:00 -
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Emotive 
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.01.02 23:08:00 -
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On Sandbox:
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
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Fulbert
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.02 23:11:00 -
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Mining 100% safely but selling minerals at 50% of their fair value. Is that the miners' dream?
If it is, please remove barges and exhumers from the game, and let us mine with Rokhs.
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Fulbert.
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TimMc
Gallente
Extradition
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Posted - 2010.01.02 23:20:00 -
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Sad thing is alot of people believe RL is safe.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.03 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Freeminer
In the end it is for CCP to decide what kind of game they wish to run
They HAVE, you illiterate simpering boob! *sheesh*
Why is this so hard for people to understand?? I don't get it...
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Olympus Carrier
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Posted - 2010.01.03 01:45:00 -
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Perhaps he doesn't get it? That this is a game? I'm all for Hulk pilots ganging together and counter griefing with alts in cloaked ships (or other alternatives) but the beauty of Eve IS things like Hulkageddon CAN happen.
Suicide ganking might be a bizarre non-RL (or unreal) occupation, but at least it's FUN. Let the gankfest commence, and let those who are wise to enough stick their Hulks in hangers, have fun doing something else.
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lolirepu
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Posted - 2010.01.03 01:54:00 -
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I think the most suitable reply to that IMO is "Hey, guess what, ITS A GAME."
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Xavier Maroquin
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Posted - 2010.01.03 02:00:00 -
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Im gonna be called a noob carebear, but here goes...
I think what his point is, is that one player can have fun doing something while it hurts another player, and that thats not fair...
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.03 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Maroquin
Im gonna be called a noob carebear, but here goes...
I think what his point is, is that one player can have fun doing something while it hurts another player, and that thats not fair...
But on the other hand, the other one player could be having fun while the other player has nothing to do and is bored and that is not fair either
Originally by: a51 duke1406
The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
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Jezebel Baily
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Posted - 2010.01.03 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Maroquin
Im gonna be called a noob carebear, but here goes...
I think what his point is, is that one player can have fun doing something while it hurts another player, and that thats not fair...
Fair? Ganker and gankee both pay to play, why should one player be not allowed to play in the sandbox while the other can?
CCP telling a ganker they can't gank wouldn't be fair, not the other way around.
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Selrid Miamarr
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.03 02:40:00 -
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I don't agree with petitioning or the game having any moral direction. I think it's pretty clear the direction CCP wants the game to go.
However, you have to admit the brunt of the negative aspects of it fall on the miner. Someone mentioned counter-ganking, but if you like ganking and intrigue, you aren't the type to be focusing on mining in the fist place. People who like harvesting tend to not like fighting so much.
If we are talking about a sandbox, we can use an example. Some kids like making castles of sand, others like knocking them down. And when a kid gets his sand castle knocked down, he will probably want to tell on you to his mother. It may be better for the kid to just knock the other kid down instead, but I think it's just as natural to do the first.
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Lord Windu
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.01.03 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Maroquin
thats not fair
Fair? That is not what Eve is about. Look at how Eve has progressed over time, CCP have made changes to the game time and time again making it "safer" for empire dwellers, but they have never done anything to put a full stop to things like suicide ganking because it is part of the whole sandbox which is Eve. If you want a game which has non PvP areas then go find something else, but Eve is a harsh universe and that is what makes many people keep subscribing.
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Closed System
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Posted - 2010.01.03 03:15:00 -
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Lord Windu
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If you want a game which has non PvP areas then go find something else, but Eve is a harsh universe and that is what makes many people keep subscribing.
This.
Ive lost a hulks/orcas, ive been pirated, it happens. The fact this game allows you to take the route you want is exactly the reason its enjoyable, its challenging. I enjoy being a "positive" character, constructing rather than destroying but its presumptuous to say that everyone else has to play the game THEY pay for in the way I say. I curse, moan, have a civil (where possible) convo with the b'stard who just cost me 200 mill then get on with the GAME. You want easy, get yourself on the nintendo. You want a challenge, suck it up and back to the roids.
If hulkageddon really upsets you that much, get into a covetor, 1/8 the cost, not that much less yield and they probably wont even bother with you tbh.
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Draelor Theta
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Posted - 2010.01.03 03:24:00 -
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((Go back to playing Hello Kitty if you're worried about the war-like overtones that exist in this game.))
In this life, there are those who will prey upon the weak. There are those who will say "enough is enough!" and fight back like men. Those who refuse to stand up for their own and be preyed upon deserve nothing less than total annihilation, for they are a blight upon all that is right and good.
Either man up and defend yourselves, or go biomass yourself.
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Smash N'Grab
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.01.03 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Closed System
Lord Windu
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If hulkageddon really upsets you that much, get into a covetor, 1/8 the cost, not that much less yield and they probably wont even bother with you tbh.
This.
Absolutely no reason to not mine during these events when you can switch over to a fully insured ship and lose less than 20% mining yield.
No reason to ***** and moan about it either.
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Herty
The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention
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Posted - 2010.01.03 03:47:00 -
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What they dont get is that we gank them loose our ships and mods then buy some more so we can do it again. They should look at this as a good thing not a bad thing. Mineral prices should depending on how many people take part increase.
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Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.03 03:53:00 -
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When number of subscriptions lost becomes equal to or greater than the amount of emowhining threats and other posturing propaganda spread around, THEN CCP will address suicide ganks. Until then, plz do cry moar.
IMO they're doing EVE a service, killing off likely AFK bots****and invigorating the ship market.
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Lowska Psyca
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Posted - 2010.01.03 21:53:00 -
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illegal wardec
Is his name freeminer? Can't be arsed to check ingame... I would like to dec him too, ofc :D
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.04 07:02:00 -
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And we have a new winner!!
Originally by: Hulkageddon website
Justme Says:
January 4, 2010 at 6:52 am
You wonÆt understand until somebody sends you a message saying that they gonna come into your house, burn out all electronics and will advertise damage done to your property + laugh at your disability to do something. If it happens û only then youÆll propably take otherÆs people time and effort with some respect and understanding. Unless youÆre dumbass and will revenge to even your grandchildren.
As of now, youÆre just making fun by taking away what others worked hard for. This is making you an *******. No offense, but it is your choice. With these points of view û youÆd always be rejected by normal societies, except psycho clinics, prisons and other masochists.
Yea, itÆs a game. But whenever you spend time and effort on something û it becomes valuable. And when itÆs valuable for someone û you find it funny to destroy it.
If you wanna be an *******/bandit in a Game, then it means that you are predisposed to act the same way in real life. EVE actually can be sued for allowing people to realize their criminal ideas in virtual sector as itÆs truly has some consequences in real one.
Besides, if a person is a human naturally û heÆs a human everywhere, in any game, in any joke and so on. You arenÆt one of them. The only way to understand this, is to loose something really valuable for you, get laughed at and so on. But iÆm afraid if you suffer this, you gonna get more angry and will revenge. So the more you protect your point of view û the more clear it gets that you have psychological anomaly. Why? Because no other creature in the universe do not harm and insult other because of FUN. Yeah, you got it right. Your ôviewsö are lower than animalsÆ.
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Jaxxon Voers
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2010.01.04 07:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jaxxon Voers on 04/01/2010 07:11:40
Originally by: TimMc
Sad thing is alot of people believe RL is safe.
This is the crux of the issue. The human animal is unique in that it has a brain capable of creating a false reality, and then superimposing it on the world around them.
The world is a harsh, cruel place...only held in check by the loose social bounds that we agree temporarily to live by. And that means the wolves are in charge. Because the sheep still believe that everything will be ok.
Just get into the boxcars folks, we are just taking you for a shower.
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Bagrista
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Posted - 2010.01.04 07:12:00 -
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No whine is complete without an e-lawsuit threat!
This is my annoying sig. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
Chunky Milk
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Posted - 2010.01.04 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jaxxon Voers
Edited by: Jaxxon Voers on 04/01/2010 07:11:40
Originally by: TimMc
Sad thing is alot of people believe RL is safe.
This is the crux of the issue. The human animal is unique in that it has a brain capable of creating a false reality, and then superimposing it on the world around them.
The world is a harsh, cruel place...only held in check by the loose social bounds that we agree temporarily to live by. And that means the wolves are in charge. Because the sheep still believe that everything will be ok.
Just get into the boxcars folks, we are just taking you for a shower.
To be fair all we know is a false reality as it all falls down to interpretations by the brain of signals created by the senses -
anyway point is, it is a game where you can get ganked. Thus if it happens don't be angry at the people that do it because you chose to take that risk. If you don't like it go back to wow where its un-interesting and boring because there is no risk.
TR:DL Ganks/griefs keep the world...ah eve spinning.
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HULKAGEDDON 2010
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Posted - 2010.01.04 07:24:00 -
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Quote:
EVE actually can be sued for allowing people to realize their criminal ideas in virtual sector as itÆs truly has some consequences in real one.
Quote:
So the more you protect your point of view û the more clear it gets that you have psychological anomaly.
They'll send me back to the asylum if I attempt to reasonably argue. Therefore:
u mad?
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NyteTyger
Gallente
NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.01.04 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson
And we have a new winner!!
Originally by: Justme
Because no other creature in the universe do not harm and insult other because of FUN. Yeah, you got it right. Your ôviewsö are lower than animalsÆ.
This dude needs to see my cat 'play' with the local chipmunks 
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.01.04 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson
I believe CCP should clean house and put an end to this illegal wardec
I have noticed a few of you picked this one up, and I for one find it very interesting. The poster is referring to CCP, which is a real life entity, and it needing to stop this 'illegal' activity. This to me means one of 2 things.. Either the poster doesn't understand that real world laws do not follow though to this game and game laws and punishments are controlled by CCP themselves (therefor if they allow it, it cant logically be illegal), OR the poster believes that war decing someone in game somehow give you the right to harm them in real life.. I cant decide which is which.
It does bring up a very nice question though.. In a universe where, if upon your death, your consciousness is transported to a new body so you can live again, is killing someone morally wrong anymore? Given the background fiction presented in eve, I would say that CCP (or at least their writers) have looked at this question and basically decided that no, its not nearly as bad as if they stay dead. Its still not nice, but more like punching someone you don't like than stabbing them.. It'll get you in trouble with the law, but not thrown in prison or anything.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.04 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Helicity Boson
I believe CCP should clean house and put an end to this illegal wardec
I have noticed a few of you picked this one up, and I for one find it very interesting. The poster is referring to CCP, which is a real life entity, and it needing to stop this 'illegal' activity. This to me means one of 2 things.. Either the poster doesn't understand that real world laws do not follow though to this game and game laws and punishments are controlled by CCP themselves (therefor if they allow it, it cant logically be illegal), OR the poster believes that war decing someone in game somehow give you the right to harm them in real life.. I cant decide which is which.
It does bring up a very nice question though.. In a universe where, if upon your death, your consciousness is transported to a new body so you can live again, is killing someone morally wrong anymore? Given the background fiction presented in eve, I would say that CCP (or at least their writers) have looked at this question and basically decided that no, its not nearly as bad as if they stay dead. Its still not nice, but more like punching someone you don't like than stabbing them.. It'll get you in trouble with the law, but not thrown in prison or anything.
You should read the comments on the hulkageddon page.
People are so hellbent on "proving" that my in-game activities somehow represent who I am out in the real world, I'm very much fearing for their sanity, as they are very clearly not able to distinguish the two from eachother.
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