Originally by: Hickock

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Pics or it didnt happen.

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Originally by: gfldex

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Originally by: Hickock

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Pics or it didnt happen.

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there you go

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Originally by: Hans Jeschonnek

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Only 5% of people loaded (no titans). No one could activate hardeners. CtrlQing didn't time people out after 15 minutesm yet existing people in system could move around and shoot without issue. The new netcode is extremly broken.

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Originally by: Apple Boy

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also, let me know when the lag clears so I can come salvage the titan wrecks

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Originally by: Malur Fy'Lap

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Anyone fraps this fight/desync?

I'd love to see it.

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Originally by: Seph Res

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im looking forward for you to lead another op down the drain, and no i didnt lost any of my dreads, but killed you and the fat girl, it was fun for me

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Originally by: Malur Fy'Lap

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Anyone fraps this fight/desync?

I'd love to see it.

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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin

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You don't hear the winning side whining about lag very often.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin

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You don't hear the winning side whining about lag very often.

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Perhaps because the side that jumps 700 people all at once into a crowded system isn't usually the winning side.

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Originally by: KillMurderDeath

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pl didnt want those titans anyways...

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Originally by: Neyro7830

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anyone want to do a rough figure about how much isk was lost in irl currency?

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Originally by: Apple Boy

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also, let me know when the lag clears so I can come salvage the titan wrecks

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Originally by: Neyro7830

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anyone want to do a rough figure about how much isk was lost in irl currency?

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Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger

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Edited by: Nocturnal Avenger on 03/01/2010 13:58:23

Originally by: Neyro7830

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anyone want to do a rough figure about how much isk was lost in irl currency?

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I assume about 500B lost on the invading side.

Thus: 500,000,000,000 / 550,000,000 (60 day GTC)*$35 = 31818 USD.

*roughly*

Semi-reliable sources inform me, that IT alliance lost about 1B - mostly due to ammo

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Originally by: Robacz

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5 dead titans? Holy cow, anyone want to give us some battle report? How did that happen?

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Originally by: Nova Soldier

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5 TITANS die and there is only 1 thread in caod something must be rong.

Where are goons talking pandemic,razor,mm?

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Originally by: thearrowofapollo

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i never thought id say this its a TITAN TURKEY SHOOT

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Originally by: Nova Soldier

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5 TITANS die and there is only 1 thread in caod something must be rong.

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Originally by: RLCHANCE

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IT Alliance kILLED pl Nice Job :))

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Originally by: Nox Virago

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Originally by: RLCHANCE

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IT Alliance kILLED pl Nice Job :))

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You might think so only because of your inexperience with PL's style of play and with EVE in general. This is not a game for children that run off to mommy crying whenever they loose a ship. PL jumping 5 titans means they were ready to loose them, and this holds true for every ship they and Goons jumped into that system. This is one of the differences between the type of gamers that they are and you. They knew the risks (I think we can all agree that they've seen their share of large fleet battles) and imho just having the balls to do it deserves respect. How many "great" alliances would do that? I don't know why I'm explaining this to people like you, I guess out of pity. You should figure out something like that for yourself and think about it. Sorry if I'm being rude, it's just that I feel sorry sometimes for people that can't or are afraid to look further than 2 inches in front of their noses.

gl

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Originally by: Nox Virago

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Originally by: RLCHANCE

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IT Alliance kILLED pl Nice Job :))

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You might think so only because of your inexperience with PL's style of play and with EVE in general. This is not a game for children that run off to mommy crying whenever they loose a ship. PL jumping 5 titans means they were ready to loose them, and this holds true for every ship they and Goons jumped into that system. This is one of the differences between the type of gamers that they are and you. They knew the risks (I think we can all agree that they've seen their share of large fleet battles) and imho just having the balls to do it deserves respect. How many "great" alliances would do that? I don't know why I'm explaining this to people like you, I guess out of pity. You should figure out something like that for yourself and think about it. Sorry if I'm being rude, it's just that I feel sorry sometimes for people that can't or are afraid to look further than 2 inches in front of their noses.

gl

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Originally by: Nox Virago

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Originally by: RLCHANCE

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IT Alliance kILLED pl Nice Job :))

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You might think so only because of your inexperience with PL's style of play and with EVE in general. This is not a game for children that run off to mommy crying whenever they loose a ship. PL jumping 5 titans means they were ready to loose them, and this holds true for every ship they and Goons jumped into that system. This is one of the differences between the type of gamers that they are and you. They knew the risks (I think we can all agree that they've seen their share of large fleet battles) and imho just having the balls to do it deserves respect. How many "great" alliances would do that? I don't know why I'm explaining this to people like you, I guess out of pity. You should figure out something like that for yourself and think about it. Sorry if I'm being rude, it's just that I feel sorry sometimes for people that can't or are afraid to look further than 2 inches in front of their noses.

gl

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Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger

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Semi-reliable sources inform me, that IT alliance lost about 1B - mostly due to ammo

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Originally by: SATAN

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I know your a pet and all so its doubtful that you will understand this or are even aware of it but your masters are not the pvp'rs they claim to be. They are only good at one thing and that is attacking someone who is already in a fight. They zoom around in their nano hacks from 80k plus away, and they will only show up when they are very sure your focus is on someone else. Unfortunately for them there is no other meat bag besides SOT and Goons willing to fill that role, and it just does not seem enough to protect fountain.

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Originally by: Nox Virago

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Originally by: RLCHANCE

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IT Alliance kILLED pl Nice Job :))

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Originally by: Rebnok

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There's balls and there's stupidity
jumping a bunch of titans into system that you know
will most likely blackscreen you is the latter
who leroys a fleet of supercaps
ya think they will do it again?

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Originally by: houndbite

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Evidance that the titans were loaded

So they can stfu whineing.. they SHOULDN'T get a reibursement!

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Originally by: houndbite

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Evidance that the titans were loaded

So they can stfu whineing.. they SHOULDN'T get a reibursement!

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Originally by: Nox Virago

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Originally by: RLCHANCE

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IT Alliance kILLED pl Nice Job :))

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You might think so only because of your inexperience with PL's style of play and with EVE in general. This is not a game for children that run off to mommy crying whenever they loose a ship. PL jumping 5 titans means they were ready to loose them, and this holds true for every ship they and Goons jumped into that system. This is one of the differences between the type of gamers that they are and you. They knew the risks (I think we can all agree that they've seen their share of large fleet battles) and imho just having the balls to do it deserves respect. How many "great" alliances would do that? I don't know why I'm explaining this to people like you, I guess out of pity. You should figure out something like that for yourself and think about it. Sorry if I'm being rude, it's just that I feel sorry sometimes for people that can't or are afraid to look further than 2 inches in front of their noses.

gl

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Originally by: Ur235

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Lol Pl cant make any more titan jokes now about Shrike becuase they just lost 5 in 1 fight

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Originally by: Nox Virago

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Originally by: RLCHANCE

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IT Alliance kILLED pl Nice Job :))

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You might think so only because of your inexperience with PL's style of play and with EVE in general. This is not a game for children that run off to mommy crying whenever they loose a ship. PL jumping 5 titans means they were ready to loose them, and this holds true for every ship they and Goons jumped into that system. This is one of the differences between the type of gamers that they are and you. They knew the risks (I think we can all agree that they've seen their share of large fleet battles) and imho just having the balls to do it deserves respect. How many "great" alliances would do that? I don't know why I'm explaining this to people like you, I guess out of pity. You should figure out something like that for yourself and think about it. Sorry if I'm being rude, it's just that I feel sorry sometimes for people that can't or are afraid to look further than 2 inches in front of their noses.

gl

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Originally by: SATAN

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They zoom around in their nano hacks from 80k plus away

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Originally by: Nox Virago

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Originally by: RLCHANCE

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IT Alliance kILLED pl Nice Job :))

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You might think so only because of your inexperience with PL's style of play and with EVE in general. This is not a game for children that run off to mommy crying whenever they loose a ship. PL jumping 5 titans means they were ready to loose them, and this holds true for every ship they and Goons jumped into that system. This is one of the differences between the type of gamers that they are and you. They knew the risks (I think we can all agree that they've seen their share of large fleet battles) and imho just having the balls to do it deserves respect. How many "great" alliances would do that? I don't know why I'm explaining this to people like you, I guess out of pity. You should figure out something like that for yourself and think about it. Sorry if I'm being rude, it's just that I feel sorry sometimes for people that can't or are afraid to look further than 2 inches in front of their noses.

gl

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Originally by: diran Thanatos

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I would be impressed if IT actually had a fight, killing titans that havent loaded grid isnt an impressive skill. if those that lost the ships in the lag fest dont get reimburst by ccp...

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...then id say that very same tactic of over loading a system that isnt reinforced becuase IT failed to tell ccp, then it should be a fair tactic to use to take back all of the systems IT owns.

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Originally by: Nox Virago

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Originally by: RLCHANCE

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IT Alliance kILLED pl Nice Job :))

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You might think so only because of your inexperience with PL's style of play and with EVE in general. This is not a game for children that run off to mommy crying whenever they loose a ship. PL jumping 5 titans means they were ready to loose them, and this holds true for every ship they and Goons jumped into that system.

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Originally by: Nox Virago

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This is one of the differences between the type of gamers that they are and you. They knew the risks (I think we can all agree that they've seen their share of large fleet battles) and imho just having the balls to do it deserves respect.

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Originally by: Nox Virago

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How many "great" alliances would do that?

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Originally by: Nox Virago

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I don't know why I'm explaining this to people like you, I guess out of pity. You should figure out something like that for yourself and think about it. Sorry if I'm being rude, it's just that I feel sorry sometimes for people that can't or are afraid to look further than 2 inches in front of their noses.

gl

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Originally by: Rosalyn Heart

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IT and friends Imma let you finish this circlejerk but that was the best three hour black screen ever.

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Originally by: diran Thanatos

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if those that lost the ships in the lag fest dont get reimburst by ccp , then id say that very same tactic of over loading a system that isnt reinforced becuase IT failed to tell ccp,

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Originally by: Rebnok

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ya think they will do it again?

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Originally by: houndbite

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Evidance that the titans were loaded

So they can stfu whineing.. they SHOULDN'T get a reibursement!

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Originally by: SATAN

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If this is true then why are so many PL/Goons/etc... screaming reimbursement?

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Originally by: BloodSoaked Goddess

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You sure you have been playing eve for the past couple years and not wow?

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Originally by: Gunthar X

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I think you guys should figure out how to not just give IT stations.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Facts are they just under estimated what the opposition had and when they realized just how badly they were about to get gang ra**d they gave the order to logoffski and hope for the best.

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I know your a pet and all so its doubtful that you will understand this or are even aware of it but your masters are not the pvp'rs they claim to be. They are only good at one thing and that is attacking someone who is already in a fight.

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They zoom around in their nano hacks from 80k plus away, and they will only show up when they are very sure your focus is on someone else. Unfortunately for them there is no other meat bag besides SOT and Goons willing to fill that role, and it just does not seem enough to protect fountain.

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IT and friends Imma let you finish this circlejerk but that was the best three hour black screen ever.

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Originally by: diran Thanatos

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I would be impressed if IT actually had a fight, killing titans that havent loaded grid isnt an impressive skill. if those that lost the ships in the lag fest dont get reimburst by ccp , then id say that very same tactic of over loading a system that isnt reinforced becuase IT failed to tell ccp, then it should be a fair tactic to use to take back all of the systems IT owns.

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Originally by: Tobruk

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Edited by: Tobruk on 05/01/2010 04:51:47

Originally by: SATAN

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Facts are they just under estimated what the opposition had and when they realized just how badly they were about to get gang ra**d they gave the order to logoffski and hope for the best.

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what happened had nothing to do with IT. they know it, we know it, you know it.

Oh I bet having your first titan die in 15 sec had alot to do with it and last time I checked it was IT that had the 16 titans on field.

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I know your a pet and all so its doubtful that you will understand this or are even aware of it but your masters are not the pvp'rs they claim to be. They are only good at one thing and that is attacking someone who is already in a fight.

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was this before or after AT6 and 7? I guess were also good at being better than Burn Eden too.

O you mean the alliance tournament where the Dev forgot to set of the ECM burst before the fight and PL already had us locked and jammed before the word go was given? And in the end we were given a finger and a sorry a** excuse about some stupid Dev who drank too much and had to run off to the hospital. Ya nice win there...

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They zoom around in their nano hacks from 80k plus away, and they will only show up when they are very sure your focus is on someone else. Unfortunately for them there is no other meat bag besides SOT and Goons willing to fill that role, and it just does not seem enough to protect fountain.

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I see you have a glass house there Mr. Burn Eden - maybe we should fit some Warp Core Stabs on it, what do you think?

Aww show me where the bad man touched you. And ya the big difference is UDIE would engage 100 with 10, PL wait for the 100 to be attacked by 200 then show up with their gang and make damn sure the 200 people were all blue to you.

I find the chest beating predictable - If i had killed 5 titans (even given the situation) Im sure id be bragging too. I also understand forum ****roaches that fanboi for one side or the other, safely tucked away in some empire corp (eve is a spectator sport after all). hell, i even understand the Alt posters like windy and X Ambition and James 315.

What i don't understand is players like you who have 0.0 experience and a reputation coming on the forum and talking nonsense. You may not like PL or our Play style SATAN but you know why we lost had nothing to with underestimating IT (or IT at all) so why come on CAOD and pretend otherwise - how does that benefit BE or you? I had more respect for you and for BE than that.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Originally by: Tobruk

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Edited by: Tobruk on 05/01/2010 04:51:47

Originally by: SATAN

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Facts are they just under estimated what the opposition had and when they realized just how badly they were about to get gang ra**d they gave the order to logoffski and hope for the best.

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what happened had nothing to do with IT. they know it, we know it, you know it.

Oh I bet having your first titan die in 15 sec had alot to do with it and last time I checked it was IT that had the 16 titans on field.

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I know your a pet and all so its doubtful that you will understand this or are even aware of it but your masters are not the pvp'rs they claim to be. They are only good at one thing and that is attacking someone who is already in a fight.

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was this before or after AT6 and 7? I guess were also good at being better than Burn Eden too.

O you mean the alliance tournament where the Dev forgot to set of the ECM burst before the fight and PL already had us locked and jammed before the word go was given? And in the end we were given a finger and a sorry a** excuse about some stupid Dev who drank too much and had to run off to the hospital. Ya nice win there...

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They zoom around in their nano hacks from 80k plus away, and they will only show up when they are very sure your focus is on someone else. Unfortunately for them there is no other meat bag besides SOT and Goons willing to fill that role, and it just does not seem enough to protect fountain.

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I see you have a glass house there Mr. Burn Eden - maybe we should fit some Warp Core Stabs on it, what do you think?

Aww show me where the bad man touched you. And ya the big difference is UDIE would engage 100 with 10, PL wait for the 100 to be attacked by 200 then show up with their gang and make damn sure the 200 people were all blue to you.

I find the chest beating predictable - If i had killed 5 titans (even given the situation) Im sure id be bragging too. I also understand forum ****roaches that fanboi for one side or the other, safely tucked away in some empire corp (eve is a spectator sport after all). hell, i even understand the Alt posters like windy and X Ambition and James 315.

What i don't understand is players like you who have 0.0 experience and a reputation coming on the forum and talking nonsense. You may not like PL or our Play style SATAN but you know why we lost had nothing to with underestimating IT (or IT at all) so why come on CAOD and pretend otherwise - how does that benefit BE or you? I had more respect for you and for BE than that.

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I dont care who you are or which alliance your in, your ALL just some random targets that die horribly if we find you. Dont care if it was BoB, NC, PL, Goons, AAA, Atlas, etc.. that lost the fight or won the fight.

Oh and I have no respect for you or yours, never have never will. Never heard of you and never will, so stop trying to impress me with your respect for me, dont need it and dont want it.

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Originally by: SATAN

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If this is true then why are so many PL/Goons/etc... screaming reimbursement?

Facts are they just under estimated what the opposition had and when they realized just how badly they were about to get gang ra**d they gave the order to logoffski and hope for the best.

I know your a pet and all so its doubtful that you will understand this or are even aware of it but your masters are not the pvp'rs they claim to be. They are only good at one thing and that is attacking someone who is already in a fight. They zoom around in their nano hacks from 80k plus away, and they will only show up when they are very sure your focus is on someone else. Unfortunately for them there is no other meat bag besides SOT and Goons willing to fill that role, and it just does not seem enough to protect fountain.

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Originally by: SATAN

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I dont care who you are or which alliance your in, your ALL just some random targets that die horribly if we find you. Dont care if it was BoB, NC, PL, Goons, AAA, Atlas, etc.. that lost the fight or won the fight.

Oh and I have no respect for you or yours, never have never will. Never heard of you and never will, so stop trying to impress me with your respect for me, dont need it and dont want it.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Originally by: Tobruk

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Edited by: Tobruk on 05/01/2010 04:51:47

Originally by: SATAN

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Facts are they just under estimated what the opposition had and when they realized just how badly they were about to get gang ra**d they gave the order to logoffski and hope for the best.

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what happened had nothing to do with IT. they know it, we know it, you know it.

Oh I bet having your first titan die in 15 sec had alot to do with it and last time I checked it was IT that had the 16 titans on field.

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I know your a pet and all so its doubtful that you will understand this or are even aware of it but your masters are not the pvp'rs they claim to be. They are only good at one thing and that is attacking someone who is already in a fight.

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was this before or after AT6 and 7? I guess were also good at being better than Burn Eden too.

O you mean the alliance tournament where the Dev forgot to set of the ECM burst before the fight and PL already had us locked and jammed before the word go was given? And in the end we were given a finger and a sorry a** excuse about some stupid Dev who drank too much and had to run off to the hospital. Ya nice win there...

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They zoom around in their nano hacks from 80k plus away, and they will only show up when they are very sure your focus is on someone else. Unfortunately for them there is no other meat bag besides SOT and Goons willing to fill that role, and it just does not seem enough to protect fountain.

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I see you have a glass house there Mr. Burn Eden - maybe we should fit some Warp Core Stabs on it, what do you think?

Aww show me where the bad man touched you. And ya the big difference is UDIE would engage 100 with 10, PL wait for the 100 to be attacked by 200 then show up with their gang and make damn sure the 200 people were all blue to you.

I find the chest beating predictable - If i had killed 5 titans (even given the situation) Im sure id be bragging too. I also understand forum ****roaches that fanboi for one side or the other, safely tucked away in some empire corp (eve is a spectator sport after all). hell, i even understand the Alt posters like windy and X Ambition and James 315.

What i don't understand is players like you who have 0.0 experience and a reputation coming on the forum and talking nonsense. You may not like PL or our Play style SATAN but you know why we lost had nothing to with underestimating IT (or IT at all) so why come on CAOD and pretend otherwise - how does that benefit BE or you? I had more respect for you and for BE than that.

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I dont care who you are or which alliance your in, your ALL just some random targets that die horribly if we find you. Dont care if it was BoB, NC, PL, Goons, AAA, Atlas, etc.. that lost the fight or won the fight.

Oh and I have no respect for you or yours, never have never will. Never heard of you and never will, so stop trying to impress me with your respect for me, dont need it and dont want it.

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Oh and I have no respect for you or yours, never have never will. Never heard of you and never will, so stop trying to impress me with your respect for me, dont need it and dont want it.

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I dont care who you are or which alliance your in, your ALL just some random targets that die horribly if we find you. Dont care if it was BoB, NC, PL, Goons, AAA, Atlas, etc.. that lost the fight or won the fight.

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O you mean the alliance tournament where the Dev forgot to set of the ECM burst before the fight and PL already had us locked and jammed before the word go was given? And in the end we were given a finger and a sorry a** excuse about some stupid Dev who drank too much and had to run off to the hospital. Ya nice win there...

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Dont care if it was BoB, NC, PL, Goons, AAA, Atlas, etc.. that lost the fight or won the fight.

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Originally by: Tobruk

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Oh and I have no respect for you or yours, never have never will. Never heard of you and never will, so stop trying to impress me with your respect for me, dont need it and dont want it.

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I didn't expect you to reciprocate, i just expected better.

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I dont care who you are or which alliance your in, your ALL just some random targets that die horribly if we find you. Dont care if it was BoB, NC, PL, Goons, AAA, Atlas, etc.. that lost the fight or won the fight.

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I find this questionable. Considering this is the third or fourth PL hate post i have seen from you. You Care - you took special time and effort to come on here and comment on a battle you didn't fight in while drawing broad generalizations about PL and its members. However, we have something in common:

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O you mean the alliance tournament where the Dev forgot to set of the ECM burst before the fight and PL already had us locked and jammed before the word go was given? And in the end we were given a finger and a sorry a** excuse about some stupid Dev who drank too much and had to run off to the hospital. Ya nice win there...

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the outrage you express there is because you lost a fight due to mechanics and decisions that were completely beyond your control.

can you not see how Y-2 is the same? Can you not see why we would be outraged and attempt to contact ccp just as you did?

your loss to PL had nothing to do with PL according to your own post, and maybe you are right. If you think you deserved a rematch or a reimbursement or something Then why doesn't PL deserve the same thing as BE?

Bull**** is Bull**** regardless of who it happens too and what happened in y-2 was utter and complete BS.

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Dont care if it was BoB, NC, PL, Goons, AAA, Atlas, etc.. that lost the fight or won the fight.

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I don't either, I just hope ccp fixes the game and does the right thing. maybe we can all agree on that.

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Originally by: drall

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How can you expect ccp to replace anything? Your entire objective was to crash the damn node. Then ninja the tcu.

Every single issue your expressing you guys caused so seriously what do you expect ccp to do?

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Originally by: Jesabell Junes

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Edited by: Jesabell Junes on 06/01/2010 03:49:40
Oh the irony !

Goons and friends pulled a similiar lag bomb stunt on LV back in the day in Tenerifis, using all concievable exploits.

Goons and friends laughed, petitions submitted and rejected by CCP.

....And now we have Goons and chums whinning about black screens, lag etc.....

What comes around.....

PS I dont think IT is finished yet.

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Originally by: Jesabell Junes

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Edited by: Jesabell Junes on 06/01/2010 04:11:03
Bitter?

I find it so funny tbh

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Originally by: Avernus

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Probably an unwelcome observation, and likely been said already, but with the very recent experiences NC has had jumping into a grid with a hostile fleet present, I don't know why anyone thought it would be different in this case before CCP has implemented a fix.

Reimbursement is an issue here that I don't care about, and has zero effect on me either way... but the PL FC needs his head examined to order a jump-in like that in the current conditions. It is a one way trip. Simply put, with all the NC advertising about how the server has been reacting, it was an ignorant decision.

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Originally by: Kriger

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All caod/troll heaven bs aside.. the lag is in fact a real issue, and everyone is gonna get screwed over by this sooner or later if CCP doesn't fix it. Finger pointing and statements like 'its your own fault', 'hypocrisy', 'exploit', 'irony' and what not wont fix it, though entertaining for obvious reasons. It went our way this time - next time it might be the other way around. Regardless of allegiances, im pretty sure all can agree it sucks, and CCP should get this sorted asap.

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Originally by: Isonone

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So you are saying that they should have left as it was and not tried to fight?

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Isonone

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So you are saying that they should have left as it was and not tried to fight?

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No, he's saying that you should have followed the advice given to you by your allies. By all means get in to system, use deep safe cyno's and don't jump all to the SAME one.

In this hilarious instance the enemy managed to lag and crash THEMSElVES out by everyone doing a man train to the same cyno. Had you listened to your NC allies you'd have all got in (minus a few expected losses) and could have commenced the fight.

But you were lazy and you paid for it.

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Originally by: Isonone

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So you are saying that they should have left as it was and not tried to fight?

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Originally by: Isonone

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Originally by: Kriger

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All caod/troll heaven bs aside.. the lag is in fact a real issue, and everyone is gonna get screwed over by this sooner or later if CCP doesn't fix it. Finger pointing and statements like 'its your own fault', 'hypocrisy', 'exploit', 'irony' and what not wont fix it, though entertaining for obvious reasons. It went our way this time - next time it might be the other way around. Regardless of allegiances, im pretty sure all can agree it sucks, and CCP should get this sorted asap.

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Respect to you dude. At last someone from IT that is not some kind of ignorant hater or something.

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Originally by: Isonone

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Did you actually read the entire post I made or did you not see:

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Originally by: Isonone

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Isonone

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So you are saying that they should have left as it was and not tried to fight?

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No, he's saying that you should have followed the advice given to you by your allies. By all means get in to system, use deep safe cyno's and don't jump all to the SAME one.

In this hilarious instance the enemy managed to lag and crash THEMSElVES out by everyone doing a man train to the same cyno. Had you listened to your NC allies you'd have all got in (minus a few expected losses) and could have commenced the fight.

But you were lazy and you paid for it.

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Did you actually read the entire post I made or did you not see:

"Even if they jumped on different grids and they loaded the system, at some point they would have warped to the TCU and you would face the same problem alot of ppl trying to load grid."

Or did you expect they would land on TCU grid in waves of 50 ppl, with 4 min between every warp so you can kill them before the next wave arrives? Like one of those games where you fight monsters that arrive every 2 mins?

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Originally by: Le Cardinal

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Originally by: Isonone

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Did you actually read the entire post I made or did you not see:

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Not really neccessary to read it. You know post dominion servers are fail and they are trying o fix it. You knew node wasnt reinforced. You knew NC had same problem vs Atlas. NC warned you against doing it. SOT failed in transfering station. And you and allies could have gotten ppl in there during other ours had you put a little effort in doing it. TZ excuses are fail and to sum it all up its your own fault.

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Originally by: Isonone

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So they/we know there are issues with the servers...what was your suggestion to the problem?
Node could not be reinforced since CCP needs 1 DT to do that, and the TCU goes online in 12h...
SOT failed to transfer station...make that BPM failed to do that since they were the corp to hold the SOV there... on behalf of SOT.
Putting ppl there during other ours? Is this a joke? How exactly do you think this can happend, when the whole "fight" began during early US TZ? Maybe ppl should wake up in 5 in the morning to move ships there and than go to sleep again...till 9 in the morning ( for example ) when the "battle" should start...? I'm sure you would suggest they try to sneak in thru the gates with heavy BSs and cross their fingers they don't get killed on the entrance to the system...

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Originally by: Le Cardinal

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Originally by: Isonone

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So they/we know there are issues with the servers...what was your suggestion to the problem?
Node could not be reinforced since CCP needs 1 DT to do that, and the TCU goes online in 12h...
SOT failed to transfer station...make that BPM failed to do that since they were the corp to hold the SOV there... on behalf of SOT.
Putting ppl there during other ours? Is this a joke? How exactly do you think this can happend, when the whole "fight" began during early US TZ? Maybe ppl should wake up in 5 in the morning to move ships there and than go to sleep again...till 9 in the morning ( for example ) when the "battle" should start...? I'm sure you would suggest they try to sneak in thru the gates with heavy BSs and cross their fingers they don't get killed on the entrance to the system...

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You are confirming what i say really. Its your own fault. BPM failed to transfer the SOT station. It was weekend. It was very late for euros (me included) but we stuck with it. Its called commitment. I had 4 hours sleep before i had to get up with my son I was 5 mins from logging when it all broke lose!, but thats a digression. No you could have bridged in ppl during the day/night, not all in one go. We managed to.

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Originally by: Isonone

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Originally by: Le Cardinal

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Originally by: Isonone

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So they/we know there are issues with the servers...what was your suggestion to the problem?
Node could not be reinforced since CCP needs 1 DT to do that, and the TCU goes online in 12h...
SOT failed to transfer station...make that BPM failed to do that since they were the corp to hold the SOV there... on behalf of SOT.
Putting ppl there during other ours? Is this a joke? How exactly do you think this can happend, when the whole "fight" began during early US TZ? Maybe ppl should wake up in 5 in the morning to move ships there and than go to sleep again...till 9 in the morning ( for example ) when the "battle" should start...? I'm sure you would suggest they try to sneak in thru the gates with heavy BSs and cross their fingers they don't get killed on the entrance to the system...

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You are confirming what i say really. Its your own fault. BPM failed to transfer the SOT station. It was weekend. It was very late for euros (me included) but we stuck with it. Its called commitment. I had 4 hours sleep before i had to get up with my son I was 5 mins from logging when it all broke lose!, but thats a digression. No you could have bridged in ppl during the day/night, not all in one go. We managed to.

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Are you playing dumb or smth? When the SOV dropped it was in mid day for euros...you had 12 hours to move all ppl in the system, IT moved 90% forces in that period of time. US TZ guys had alot less time to get their things done... So we now have to think about all the crap that dominion and CCP brought us, and possible issues we might face, some game this is...fun fun fun...If I wanted to apply for lab mouse I will let CCP know...until then I expect to PLAY the game that I pay for the way it was supposed to be plaid thank you very much. Beware next time the lab mouse might be you...

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Originally by: Isonone

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Originally by: Le Cardinal

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Originally by: Isonone

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So they/we know there are issues with the servers...what was your suggestion to the problem?
Node could not be reinforced since CCP needs 1 DT to do that, and the TCU goes online in 12h...
SOT failed to transfer station...make that BPM failed to do that since they were the corp to hold the SOV there... on behalf of SOT.
Putting ppl there during other ours? Is this a joke? How exactly do you think this can happend, when the whole "fight" began during early US TZ? Maybe ppl should wake up in 5 in the morning to move ships there and than go to sleep again...till 9 in the morning ( for example ) when the "battle" should start...? I'm sure you would suggest they try to sneak in thru the gates with heavy BSs and cross their fingers they don't get killed on the entrance to the system...

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You are confirming what i say really. Its your own fault. BPM failed to transfer the SOT station. It was weekend. It was very late for euros (me included) but we stuck with it. Its called commitment. I had 4 hours sleep before i had to get up with my son I was 5 mins from logging when it all broke lose!, but thats a digression. No you could have bridged in ppl during the day/night, not all in one go. We managed to.

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Are you playing dumb or smth? When the SOV dropped it was in mid day for euros...you had 12 hours to move all ppl in the system, IT moved 90% forces in that period of time. US TZ guys had alot less time to get their things done... So we now have to think about all the crap that dominion and CCP brought us, and possible issues we might face, some game this is...fun fun fun...If I wanted to apply for lab mouse I will let CCP know...until then I expect to PLAY the game that I pay for the way it was supposed to be plaid thank you very much. Beware next time the lab mouse might be you...

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Originally by: General Windypops

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words...

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Originally by: Le Cardinal

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words

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Originally by: Isonone

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players still pay for it and they expect...quality.

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Originally by: Isonone

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excuses

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Originally by: Isonone

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Originally by: Le Cardinal

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words

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We/they chose to play the game they paid for...CCP failed to deliver what they are getting paid for. Simple as that. They/we complain we didn't get what we paid for, and the customers don't care if someone fed the hamsters or not. That is CCP to take care after, hence the monthly fee players pay... this is not just a case of 1 guy lagging or not being able to play, because his ISP might have bad connection issues. This is a case of 700 ppl not being able to play, because of bugs and issues that the provider of this service didn't fix. Did you not get it, or you don't want to get it..? If there is a issue with the safety of a newly sold car, the car maker recalls the cars and fixes the issue before someone gets hurt and sues their ass out of it... The fact that this is a game does not change anything, players still pay for it and they expect customer service and quality.

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If I wanted to apply for lab mouse I will let CCP know

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Originally by: Isonone

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Originally by: Le Cardinal

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words

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We/they chose to play the game they paid for...CCP failed to deliver what they are getting paid for. Simple as that. They/we complain we didn't get what we paid for, and the customers don't care if someone fed the hamsters or not. That is CCP to take care after, hence the monthly fee players pay... this is not just a case of 1 guy lagging or not being able to play, because his ISP might have bad connection issues. This is a case of 700 ppl not being able to play, because of bugs and issues that the provider of this service didn't fix. Did you not get it, or you don't want to get it..? If there is a issue with the safety of a newly sold car, the car maker recalls the cars and fixes the issue before someone gets hurt and sues their ass out of it... The fact that this is a game does not change anything, players still pay for it and they expect customer service and quality.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Originally by: Nox Virago

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Originally by: RLCHANCE

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IT Alliance kILLED pl Nice Job :))

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You might think so only because of your inexperience with PL's style of play and with EVE in general. This is not a game for children that run off to mommy crying whenever they loose a ship. PL jumping 5 titans means they were ready to loose them, and this holds true for every ship they and Goons jumped into that system. This is one of the differences between the type of gamers that they are and you. They knew the risks (I think we can all agree that they've seen their share of large fleet battles) and imho just having the balls to do it deserves respect. How many "great" alliances would do that? I don't know why I'm explaining this to people like you, I guess out of pity. You should figure out something like that for yourself and think about it. Sorry if I'm being rude, it's just that I feel sorry sometimes for people that can't or are afraid to look further than 2 inches in front of their noses.

gl

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If this is true then why are so many PL/Goons/etc... screaming reimbursement?

Facts are they just under estimated what the opposition had and when they realized just how badly they were about to get gang ra**d they gave the order to logoffski and hope for the best.

I know your a pet and all so its doubtful that you will understand this or are even aware of it but your masters are not the pvp'rs they claim to be. They are only good at one thing and that is attacking someone who is already in a fight. They zoom around in their nano hacks from 80k plus away, and they will only show up when they are very sure your focus is on someone else. Unfortunately for them there is no other meat bag besides SOT and Goons willing to fill that role, and it just does not seem enough to protect fountain.

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Originally by: Isonone

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excuses

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Your imaginary world is unfortunately far removed from reality. The stunt has failed, servers didn't crash, you lost. You can deal with it or you can keep shifting the blame.

Now, please stop embarrassing your alliance. Its becoming so pathetic, i cant even derive any joy from trolling you.

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Originally by: Isonone

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Edited by: Isonone on 06/01/2010 16:23:34

Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Originally by: Isonone

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excuses

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Your imaginary world is unfortunately far removed from reality. The stunt has failed, servers didn't crash, you lost. You can deal with it or you can keep shifting the blame.

Now, please stop embarrassing your alliance. Its becoming so pathetic, i cant even derive any joy from trolling you.

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If they wanted to crash the servers, they could of used 700 drakes to jump in and get the job done. I don't know who is embarrassing who, but I do feel sorry for the few normal guys in your alliance. To have to play with dumb fscks like you and the rest of the ignorant pricks is pretty bad...One day you will be the one that gets the middle finger, see how you like it than...

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Originally by: Isonone

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We/they chose to play the game they paid for...CCP failed to deliver what they are getting paid for. Simple as that. They/we complain we didn't get what we paid for, and the customers don't care if someone fed the hamsters or not. That is CCP to take care after, hence the monthly fee players pay... this is not just a case of 1 guy lagging or not being able to play, because his ISP might have bad connection issues. This is a case of 700 ppl not being able to play, because of bugs and issues that the provider of this service didn't fix. Did you not get it, or you don't want to get it..? If there is a issue with the safety of a newly sold car, the car maker recalls the cars and fixes the issue before someone gets hurt and sues their ass out of it... The fact that this is a game does not change anything, players still pay for it and they expect customer service and quality.

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There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.

While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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gheyyyyy

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Originally by: Hanabi Kazan

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ahaha somebody unironically cited the EULA

its inevitable that the exact same thing will happen in reverse and this thread will be a delicious necro

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Originally by: Hilarious Consequences

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p.s. the fact of the matter is that the system was lost the instant SOT screwed up the sov transfer, because there were only two choices after that:

Choice 1. Ignore the sov loss and allow IT to take the system
Choice 2. Jump into a non-reinforced node which IT has had all day to pack with alt accounts, dreads, and titans

Choice 2 has very little chance of success and a much greater risk of loss but HEY JUMP IN GUYS, I AM EDGY LIKE TOLON
mad props to PL for (like goonswarm) not only utterly failing to grasp this, but jumping titans without even waiting to see how the system would respond to the capfleet jumping in

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Originally by: Fat Ducker

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Tee hee hee, did it occur to you as you wrote it, that when Delve & Querious are burning that it will indeed get necro'd, but not by you?

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Originally by: Hilarious Consequences

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p.s. the fact of the matter is that the system was lost the instant SOT screwed up the sov transfer, because there were only two choices after that:

Choice 1. Ignore the sov loss and allow IT to take the system
Choice 2. Jump into a non-reinforced node which IT has had all day to pack with alt accounts, dreads, and titans

Choice 2 has very little chance of success and a much greater risk of loss but HEY JUMP IN GUYS, I AM EDGY LIKE TOLON
mad props to PL for (like goonswarm) not only utterly failing to grasp this, but jumping titans without even waiting to see how the system would respond to the capfleet jumping in

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Originally by: the Poet

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Originally by: Hilarious Consequences

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p.s. the fact of the matter is that the system was lost the instant SOT screwed up the sov transfer, because there were only two choices after that:

Choice 1. Ignore the sov loss and allow IT to take the system
Choice 2. Jump into a non-reinforced node which IT has had all day to pack with alt accounts, dreads, and titans

Choice 2 has very little chance of success and a much greater risk of loss but HEY JUMP IN GUYS, I AM EDGY LIKE TOLON
mad props to PL for (like goonswarm) not only utterly failing to grasp this, but jumping titans without even waiting to see how the system would respond to the capfleet jumping in

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Choice 3. Pack y-2 with alt accounts, dreads and titans, since we had all day as well, and stop IT before they got 600 people in the system.

Choice 2 sucks but man are we glad you took it.

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Originally by: Hilarious Consequences

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Choice 2 has very little chance of success and a much greater risk of loss but HEY JUMP IN GUYS, I AM EDGY LIKE TOLON
mad props to PL for (like goonswarm) not only utterly failing to grasp this, but jumping titans without even waiting to see how the system would respond to the capfleet jumping in

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Originally by: the Poet

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Choice 3. Pack y-2 with alt accounts, dreads and titans, since we had all day as well, and stop IT before they got 600 people in the system.

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Originally by: Kushmir

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Originally by: Fat Ducker

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Tee hee hee, did it occur to you as you wrote it, that when Delve & Querious are burning that it will indeed get necro'd, but not by you?

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We are shaking in our 42 US prime timed stations!

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Originally by: Hilarious Consequences

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Originally by: the Poet

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Choice 3. Pack y-2 with alt accounts, dreads and titans, since we had all day as well, and stop IT before they got 600 people in the system.

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I, too, am unaware of timezones and their effect on gameplay

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Originally by: Gobbins

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who the **** made that call anyways?

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Originally by: Viper Shnitzel

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Have some logs:

(5:12:56 PM) [cei]_porky: if no one loads
(5:13:00 PM) [cei]_porky: then we are ****ed
(5:13:03 PM) dabigredboat: anyone not ready
(5:13:08 PM) jaroslav: im ready
(5:13:09 PM) daroh: oh crap )
(5:13:13 PM) scavok: lets do it
(5:13:14 PM) dabigredboat: what daroh?
(5:13:15 PM) daroh: lets do it already
(5:13:20 PM) dabigredboat: okay vee call it
(5:13:25 PM) mister_vee: BUBBLE GOING UP, LIGHT CYNOS IN 10 SECONDS FROM THIS MESSAGE
(5:13:41 PM) zastrow [[email protected]/Home] entered the room.
(5:13:45 PM) mister_vee: BUBBLE UP, LETS GET THS BIGGEST GRIDLOAD OPERATION EVE HAS EVER SEEN ON THE ROAD YO. LIGHT IT!
(5:13:46 PM) scavok: go
(5:13:53 PM) jaroslav: gs caps going
(5:13:57 PM) [cei]_porky: they are not warping yet
(5:14:00 PM) imperian: NC bridging
(5:14:00 PM) viper_****zIe: PL caps in
(5:14:01 PM) dabigredboat: bridging
(5:14:04 PM) [cei]_porky: BS aligning 7-1
(5:14:06 PM) Phreeze: no grid load
(5:14:07 PM) viper_****zIe: pl support bridging
(5:14:07 PM) dabigredboat: main fleet bridging
(5:14:17 PM) Phreeze: nm
(5:14:18 PM) daroh: we bridged

Shamis called the actual jump-in for PL but everyone was informed beforehand on exactly what was going on, at least for titan pilots. The people who jumped knew the risks and did it anyway (even me), so I guess that spreads the responsibility of stupidity a little.

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Originally by: Kushmir

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Originally by: Fat Ducker

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Tee hee hee, did it occur to you as you wrote it, that when Delve & Querious are burning that it will indeed get necro'd, but not by you?

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We are shaking in our 42 US prime timed stations!

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Originally by: Kushmir

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We are shaking in our 42 US prime timed stations!

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Originally by: Hanabi Kazan

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yes yes we know, weve already lost

and now bob kenny IT is really really really mad

jita; veld; etc.

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Originally by: John Blackthorn

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From a business standpoint ccp does not want to admit how difficult it is to manage the bandwidth requirements when you have 500-1000 people in a single system. The amount of objects that need to be tracked, there movement, there module's and how they effect other objects is an enormous task.

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Originally by: Imhotep Khem

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CCP is stuck focusing on decorations.

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Originally by: FomkA

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Its clearly the game designers made a huge mistake completely removing good old doomsday devices, also they added a new sov mechanic, encouraging more people to blob their home and attacked system.

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Originally by: Trebor Notlimah

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Edited by: Trebor Notlimah on 07/01/2010 00:33:05

Originally by: FomkA

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Its clearly the game designers made a huge mistake completely removing good old doomsday devices, also they added a new sov mechanic, encouraging more people to blob their home and attacked system.

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THIS. Totally changed the way blob warfare plays out now. There are no more field clearing weapons anymore except for bombs, which have shown limited utility so far. In the past it was all about having a DDD proof battleship and hoping the enemy didn't stack doomsdays on you, and spreading you fleet across multiple grids to keep from getting wiped all at once. Now subcapital fleets blob with no worries about having too many ships on a grid because it can't be cleared anymore.

tl;dr

No field clearing weapon = more ships on grid = more lagtastic voyages

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Originally by: Avernus

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Much rather adapt to the new reality and hopeful future improved server performance, than revert to win button fleet actions.

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Originally by: Isonone

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Respect to you dude. At last someone from IT that is not some kind of ignorant hater or something.

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Originally by: Isonone

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Respect to you dude. At last someone from IT that is not some kind of ignorant hater or something.

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Originally by: Nox Virago

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Exactly, adapt! Now that pretty much every fight is decided by sheer numbers, I propose we all merge into 4-5 mega alliances, each having the possibility to put 1000+ ships on the field at any given time and fight it out (or just sit there until the other party eventually gives up). I can't even imagine the fun of it all.

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Originally by: Buxaroo

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Here's a video of PL/Goons/NC jumping into Y-2ANO
Jump in

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Originally by: Buxaroo

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Here's a video of PL/Goons/NC jumping into Y-2ANO
Jump in

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Originally by: Nox Virago

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Exactly, adapt! Now that pretty much every fight is decided by sheer numbers, I propose we all merge into 4-5 mega alliances, each having the possibility to put 1000+ ships on the field at any given time and fight it out (or just sit there until the other party eventually gives up). I can't even imagine the fun of it all.

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Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done

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Originally by: FomkA

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Edited by: FomkA on 07/01/2010 00:22:27

Originally by: Imhotep Khem

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CCP is stuck focusing on decorations.

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From what i heard from ccp, their art and decoration/game design department has nothing to do with QA team, which is focused to bring us smoother gaming experience.
Its clearly the game designers made a huge mistake completely removing good old doomsday devices, also they added a new sov mechanic, encouraging more people to blob their home and attacked system. The current state of 0.0 is all about to blob and load the grid b4 their opponent, preventing them to properly load the grid and game itself. Old doomsday devices was the only 100% effective anti-blob weapon, but thanks to pl/goon/nc they abused it too much in 49-. In old eve the fc would think twice before jumping in with 100+bs in to the same node/gate, same goes for defenders (if they are not covered by cyno jam ofc). Was it overpowered? No it was not, just look at 2009 year titan kills, majority of dead titans were trying to DDD some serious pack of people in hope of getting advantage for their fleet.
With a removal of such unique weapon and tactical tool, people will start to blob on titans in near feature and there is no way to stop this until ccp fixes easy isk income (aka moonmine). I really want to know why ccp could not make DDD a non-stack weapon, limiting it to only 2 DDD at the given amount of time.
It was blob online before that patch, but at least we had something to counter these blobs. Go fly your bombers boys, i hope you enjoy it.

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Originally by: Fat Ducker

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Changing BoB from the bloated, elitist, deluded, bucket of fail that came up with "MAX" into the ferociously motivated, with the biggest active player base and time zone coverage in eve :priceless:

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Originally by: Ray Tucker

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hurf bluf

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Originally by: Ray Tucker

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Originally by: Fat Ducker

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Changing BoB from the bloated, elitist, deluded, bucket of fail that came up with "MAX" into the ferociously motivated, with the biggest active player base and time zone coverage in eve :priceless:

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Cognitive dissonance detected, how is IT including most of the old BOB and then some more is suddenly not bloated? Oh wait, I see, you just say the same in different words:
ferociously motivated = elitist + deluded
bloated + bucket of fail = biggest active player base and time zone coverage

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Originally by: Ray Tucker

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Originally by: Fat Ducker

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Changing BoB from the bloated, elitist, deluded, bucket of fail that came up with "MAX" into the ferociously motivated, with the biggest active player base and time zone coverage in eve :priceless:

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Cognitive dissonance detected, how is IT including most of the old BOB and then some more is suddenly not bloated? Oh wait, I see, you just say the same in different words:
ferociously motivated = elitist + deluded
bloated + bucket of fail = biggest active player base and time zone coverage

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* At participating regions,
* Subject to availability,
* Tears may actually be Coke,
* Coleslaw may contain nuts, rat poison and actual coleslaw,
* Chief medical officer says: "IT bucket of fail may harm your baby"

Originally by: Spathi

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The IT Bucket of FailÖ also comes with coleslaw and a 2 liter bottle of tears.

* At participating regions,
* Subject to availability,
* Tears may actually be Coke,
* Coleslaw may contain nuts, rat poison and actual coleslaw,
* Chief medical officer says: "IT bucket of fail may harm your baby"

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Originally by: Hanabi Kazan

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its inevitable that the exact same thing will happen in reverse and this thread will be a delicious necro

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