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Debrace
Minmatar
Dark Fusion Industries
One Stop Research
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Posted - 2010.01.04 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Debrace on 04/01/2010 17:41:49
 Originally by: lun0s
A jackal! Jackal! It's a jackal! It sounds like a jackal!Jackal? Jackal! It's a jackal! Jackal?
For God's sake man if it wasn't right the first time you said it why the hell would it be right the next 10 times? 
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Cattegirn
Rampant SR
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Posted - 2010.01.04 17:43:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
...Arazu
What about the Keres? Not enough gank to deal with drones?
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Shak'Rah
The Unforgettables
Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.01.04 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Shak''Rah on 04/01/2010 19:21:32
i would say either the arbitrator or pilgrim; they're pretty good at soaking up damage and can keep down ships way bigger than them
they certainly an advantage if fit right where they can take smaller ships. drones kill drones and the neuts will stop pretty much anything dead in it's tracks
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2010.01.04 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Cattegirn
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
...Arazu
What about the Keres? Not enough gank to deal with drones?
And nothing is smaller than a frigate?
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.01.04 19:55:00 -
[35]
Cynabal?
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2010.01.04 20:17:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Shak'Rah
Edited by: Shak''Rah on 04/01/2010 19:21:32
i would say either the arbitrator or pilgrim; they're pretty good at soaking up damage and can keep down ships way bigger than them
they certainly an advantage if fit right where they can take smaller ships. drones kill drones and the neuts will stop pretty much anything dead in it's tracks
Except for the fact that the pilgrim is FAR from "nimble".
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Shak'Rah
The Unforgettables
Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.01.04 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Shak'Rah
Edited by: Shak''Rah on 04/01/2010 19:21:32
i would say either the arbitrator or pilgrim; they're pretty good at soaking up damage and can keep down ships way bigger than them
they certainly an advantage if fit right where they can take smaller ships. drones kill drones and the neuts will stop pretty much anything dead in it's tracks
Except for the fact that the pilgrim is FAR from "nimble".
this is true -.- armor tanks are pretty lumbering
i think it could be a nanovex, but i'm thinking perhaps a thrasher?
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats
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Posted - 2010.01.05 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cattegirn
Edited by: Cattegirn on 03/01/2010 07:06:17
I can tackle ships larger than me and handle a drone threat. I am nimble enough to catch ships my size and even smaller if I start with an advantage. I can hold a tackled ship and deal with the damage from that ship long enough for a fleet up to two jumps away to relieve me.
What ship am I?
You don't exist but there are various options.
To tackle for any length of time you need to catch your target plus one of the following:
- Tank (Heavy Interdiction Cruiser)
- Evade damage (Interceptor)
- Have ewar superiority (Recon)
There is no one golden ship that can tackle everything but those are the three ship types specifically designed for the job, though some individual ships like the Jaguar and Vaga can work too (No minmatar theme here at all).
Interdictors are also designed to tackle but fall down on the "deal with the damage from that ship long enough for a fleet up to two jumps away to relieve me" requirement.
IMO interceptors are the best for getting an initial point and holding larger targets but have problems with heavier frigates more suited to dogfighting, HICs are good all rounders but lack the speed to keep small fry in the pan and recons are amazing or terrible depending on the situation.
While interceptors can evade damage from larger ships for an absurd amount of time they require a cap booster (cos of neut), dual propulsion (cos of scram), scram, web and disruptor (to be an annoying git with), medium shield extender (cos of drones), copious supply of vodka martini (to pretend you're classy) and behelzebubs modified manual piloting enhancer (to counter the vodka martinis).
728 mid slots and a super computer are required to cover every situation.
That said if there's one tackler that holds head and shoulders above the rest then for me it's the stiletto, it's got 4 mids, fast enough to keep AFs at disruptor range and with a cap booster and small repper can hold almost anything cruiser or up for indefinite periods of time.
Dramiel is pretty uber too 
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Ashani Osaka
Amarr
Ethereal Acolytes
Overloaded Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.05 00:38:00 -
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its a dramiel.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats
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Posted - 2010.01.05 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: yani dumyat on 05/01/2010 01:09:22
Originally by: Cattegirn
My suspicion was that quite possibly the smaller craft that can avoid damage would have trouble with Warrior II's, while mid-sized ships would be able to tank the drones but fail to tank the main weapon damage or else be too slow to catch much.
You're essentially correct but with two exceptions, a HIC is a mid sized ship that can tank damage plus with drones and small ships I'd like to point you towards a couple of things people have said:
Originally by: Don Pellegrino
Definetly a Claw, that thing kills drones very easily.
(I love my Claw )
Note the love in this quote, noobs don't kill 5 warrior IIs in a claw they die horribly. Flying frigates is an artform but intensely satisfying when you get it right.
Originally by: Keitaro Baka
Originally by: Drazin DawnTreader
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Many ships can tackle outside of neut range.
Many pilots can't however..
QFT.
Originally by: Ashani Osaka
its a dramiel.
Also QFT though unfortunately i can't afford to be reckless with them in the same way i would with a stiletto or crow.
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Inuyasha507
Caldari
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:18:00 -
[41]
Obvious troll is obvious.
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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2010.01.07 20:43:00 -
[42]
A T3 ship of sorts I reckon. I'm sure there's one that can do all of the above.
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Cattegirn
Rampant SR
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Posted - 2010.01.07 20:59:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Cattegirn on 07/01/2010 21:05:10
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Cattegirn
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
...Arazu
What about the Keres? Not enough gank to deal with drones?
And nothing is smaller than a frigate?
Sorry for being daft but I'm not sure what you're getting at, help pls? Not enough tank? Not enough slots? Something specific?
I realize the only advantage the smaller ship has in an e-war situation is speed and scan resolution, since I suppose the theory is that a cruiser sized ship won't have to tank even medium guns if they are being damped sufficiently. (Whereas, a frigate may have an additional advantage in many cases where the turrets would miss, but otherwise hit a larger ship.)
Do you find that the slower speed of the cruiser sized ewar ships ever is a significant obstacle to keeping up with targets or catching them?
Replying to post below by editing, to avoid the 5 min timer:
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Cattegirn
Sorry for being daft but I'm not sure what you're getting at, help pls? Not enough tank? Not enough slots? Something specific?
He's pointing out that the Keres is a frigate - and one of the requirements in the OP was being able to tackle something smaller than it.
-Liang
And I'm OP - lol. Thanks Liang, I totally missed it.
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2010.01.07 21:02:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Cattegirn
Sorry for being daft but I'm not sure what you're getting at, help pls? Not enough tank? Not enough slots? Something specific?
He's pointing out that the Keres is a frigate - and one of the requirements in the OP was being able to tackle something smaller than it.
-Liang
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Xavier Maroquin
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Posted - 2010.01.07 21:08:00 -
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Its a speed tanked Vigil... It can do all that easily...
1. Tackle: 20 km tackle, orbit just outside their range... (neuts n stuff...)
2. Nimble: 3 nano's and a MWD perma run good nuff?
3. Deal with damage: They wont be hitting you...
3. Drones: They cant catch you.
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Elora Danzik
Caldari
Idiots In Spaceships
Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2010.01.07 22:15:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Debrace
Edited by: Debrace on 04/01/2010 17:41:49
Originally by: lun0s
A jackal! Jackal! It's a jackal! It sounds like a jackal!Jackal? Jackal! It's a jackal! Jackal?
For God's sake man if it wasn't right the first time you said it why the hell would it be right the next 10 times?
For God's sake .....oh damn.
I'll be in my bunk.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
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Posted - 2010.01.08 01:05:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
He's pointing out that the Keres is a frigate - and one of the requirements in the OP was being able to tackle something smaller than it.
Frigates can tackle pods, no problem.
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Professor Villinghopper
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Posted - 2010.01.08 05:47:00 -
[48]
Answer 1: Vagabond
Answer 2: Hurricane
Answer 3: Drake
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Hera Ominae
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Posted - 2010.01.08 07:12:00 -
[49]
Vagabond.
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Ebru Shally
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Posted - 2010.01.08 07:49:00 -
[50]
a mammoth! :P
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Lexa Hellfury
Incura
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Posted - 2010.01.08 08:44:00 -
[51]
Nano Broadsword 
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Haxfar Portlaind
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Posted - 2010.01.08 11:21:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Haxfar Portlaind on 08/01/2010 11:21:05
speed-tanked ragnarok?
Got it to 202 m/s on EFT...
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Dursun Idris
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Posted - 2010.01.08 14:07:00 -
[53]
Vagabond or rapier.
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Crellion
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.01.08 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Crellion on 08/01/2010 15:03:26
I call Vagabond and Ishtar as well as tech III variants wrong answers as they would kill the tackled thingy before the fleet could come share the KB points from 2 jumps away.
It could of course be a phail Vaga with no Gyros...
Sounds like a faction cruiser or tech I cruiser to me... stabber can do most of what it says there...
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Mur Mis
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Posted - 2010.01.11 14:05:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Mur Mis on 11/01/2010 14:07:45
sry just had to do this :D
[Leviathan, I win !]
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Tobias' Modified Warp Scrambler
Draclira's Modified Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Draclira's Modified Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Draclira's Modified Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Draclira's Modified Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Draclira's Modified Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Draclira's Modified Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Draclira's Modified Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Draclira's Modified Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Large Inverted Signal Field Projector I
Large Inverted Signal Field Projector I
[empty rig slot]
takes 11 secs to lock a frigate :P but if you sit on a gate like this the WTF factor lasts 20 secs and he would not be able to warp
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MaraudR73
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Posted - 2010.01.11 17:53:00 -
[56]
Guys, the answer has already been given by the guy who asked it.
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2010.01.11 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Rajere on 11/01/2010 21:48:33
Falcon tackler best tackler
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar
The Bastards
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Posted - 2010.01.11 22:28:00 -
[58]
It's pork! I know this!
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Abenham
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Posted - 2010.01.13 01:09:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Cattegirn
Edited by: Cattegirn on 03/01/2010 07:06:17
I can tackle ships larger than me and handle a drone threat. I am nimble enough to catch ships my size and even smaller if I start with an advantage. I can hold a tackled ship and deal with the damage from that ship long enough for a fleet up to two jumps away to relieve me.
What ship am I?
Tackles larger ships and handles drone threat? Curse
Nimble enough to catch ships of the same size and smaller if starting with advantage? Curse
Hold a tackled ship and deal with the damage from that ship long enough for a fleet up to two jumps away? Curse
What ship am I? ^^Curse^^
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