Originally by: Nian Banks

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What I believe the miners are saying is that they don't believe the game is balanced. Especially as many pirates like to quote, the 'risk vs reward'.

Mission runners are the least balanced in this regard, followed closely by suicide gankers. Their risk is exceedingly low where as the rewards can be great.

Mining however is now no longer balanced in any way, the risk has ballooned out of control due to ship costs and the increased frequency of gankings. The reward however has decreased due to the drone regions introduction and the dramatic increase of mission runners. Drone Alloys and Meta0 Tech1 modules supply the bulk of the minerals in game now.
What isn't right is the vast asteroid belts in high sec and the asteroid quality. This allows miners the opportunity to sit in empire in what is percieved relative safety. A perception that pirates like to remind people of, even though it's a poor excuse to gank someone.


If people want to constructively tackle the problem that does exist, let no person tell you otherwise. Is quite simple.

1: Increase the PG & CPU of mining barges and exhumers so they can fit cruiser and battleship tanks. Cruiser for mining barges, Battleship for Exhumers.
2: remove Meta0 Tech1 modules from npc loot tables and reduced the drop rate of drone alloys by a minimum of 25% preferrably 50%.
3: make it that strip miners can only be used in 0.5 sec and below.

This way mining becomes the main source of minerals as it should be, mission runners income drops a little which balances the risk and reward a little and suicide gankers will have to choose their targets.

Not only that but with a dramatic reduction of high end minerals coming from npcs's. Miners will be in demand and the profit will go up, but only those who are willing to mine in low sec.
More miners in low sec means a population explosion due to all the mining corps having to move there.

The only people who loose are the fat cast mission *****s.

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Originally by: EQUIANO

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Eve Rules of engagement favors Pirates....

Ever found yourself quietly mining in a high security system to buy that new ship/module or skill...only to have a swarm of suicidal pirates warp in and attack your mining ship, knowing full well that they will lose their own ships in the process but costing you hundreds of millions of ISK?


Discuss...

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Originally by: Legacy

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Can't say I'd agree with either side...you can't NOT have any risk at all in high sec. On the flipside of that, suicide ganking shouldn't be profitable either.

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Originally by: Lubomir Penev

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Originally by: Legacy

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Can't say I'd agree with either side...you can't NOT have any risk at all in high sec. On the flipside of that, suicide ganking shouldn't be profitable either.

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Suicide ganking is mostly made profitable by the fact that some stupid industrialist are putting ships on the market at a price which makes even self-destructing them worthwhile. It's pretty ironic that it must be the same people victim of suicide attack afterward... Fix the industrialists brains and you'll lower suicide ganking.

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Originally by: Nian Banks

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Originally by: Lubomir Penev

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Originally by: Legacy

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Can't say I'd agree with either side...you can't NOT have any risk at all in high sec. On the flipside of that, suicide ganking shouldn't be profitable either.

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Suicide ganking is mostly made profitable by the fact that some stupid industrialist are putting ships on the market at a price which makes even self-destructing them worthwhile. It's pretty ironic that it must be the same people victim of suicide attack afterward... Fix the industrialists brains and you'll lower suicide ganking.

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Well allot of ships are made by wanna be industrialists that gain the majority of their minerals from mission loot.

Ships would be more realistically priced if the main supply of minerals came from mining.

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Originally by: Lubomir Penev

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Originally by: Nian Banks

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Originally by: Lubomir Penev

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Originally by: Legacy

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Can't say I'd agree with either side...you can't NOT have any risk at all in high sec. On the flipside of that, suicide ganking shouldn't be profitable either.

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Suicide ganking is mostly made profitable by the fact that some stupid industrialist are putting ships on the market at a price which makes even self-destructing them worthwhile. It's pretty ironic that it must be the same people victim of suicide attack afterward... Fix the industrialists brains and you'll lower suicide ganking.

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Well allot of ships are made by wanna be industrialists that gain the majority of their minerals from mission loot.

Ships would be more realistically priced if the main supply of minerals came from mining.

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Seeing that you see people mining Omber where more profitable ores are available I would not say so.

Since the new Eve client likes unavoidable popups perhaps a "You're a bloody idiot, better selfdestruct it" popup when one market a ship below PlatinumInsurancePayout-PlatinumInsuranceFee is in order .

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Originally by: EQUIANO

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Eve Rules of engagement favors Pirates....

Ever found yourself quietly mining in a high security system to buy that new ship/module or skill...only to have a swarm of suicidal pirates warp in and attack your mining ship, knowing full well that they will lose their own ships in the process but costing you hundreds of millions of ISK?

PvP and danger is part of Eve but this loophole opens the door to a really strange breed of player. My view is that if you want to fight, go to a low sec system and pick a fight with an opponent capable of fighting back.

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Originally by: Nian Banks

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If we make mining the main source of minerals, people will need to mine everything...

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Originally by: Xtover

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Originally by: Nian Banks

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If we make mining the main source of minerals, people will need to mine everything...

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Oh, the horror.

Trust me, there are plenty of miners out there to pick up the slack.

And not every mineral can come from mining, looted player wrecks, the drone regions, drone missions, spare loot laying around, moon harvesting (technically not mining), whatever.

Really there should be occasional loot drops from missions.. maybe a couple meta 2-3 items. But with the ~80% of wrecks dropping some form of module, the mineral market is out of whack, and as a result ship prices are down, and industrialists can't make any sort of profit.

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