You're thinking of incursions.

A while back I proposed the idea of corporate missions. They'd be similar to incursions in difficulty and would be designed in such a way that only members of the accepting corporation would get rewards. It would be incursions without the pickup fleets, encouraging long-term relationships to be built and giving PVE-centric corps larger goals. Also, they would serve to develop skills more suitable to PVP. In my idea, these would be THE best highsec income, as they require long-term organization and cooperation.

You're thinking of incursions.

A while back I proposed the idea of corporate missions. They'd be similar to incursions in difficulty and would be designed in such a way that only members of the accepting corporation would get rewards. It would be incursions without the pickup fleets, encouraging long-term relationships to be built and giving PVE-centric corps larger goals. Also, they would serve to develop skills more suitable to PVP. In my idea, these would be THE best highsec income, as they require long-term organization and cooperation.

You're thinking of incursions.

A while back I proposed the idea of corporate missions. They'd be similar to incursions in difficulty and would be designed in such a way that only members of the accepting corporation would get rewards. It would be incursions without the pickup fleets, encouraging long-term relationships to be built and giving PVE-centric corps larger goals. Also, they would serve to develop skills more suitable to PVP. In my idea, these would be THE best highsec income, as they require long-term organization and cooperation.

you cannot play eve as a singleplayer game because it's not. even if you are the most boring person in the world and only ever run lvl4s, you still have to watch out for ganks and interact with the market.
forcing people to play together does not make sense if they prefer playing alone.

You're thinking of incursions.

A while back I proposed the idea of corporate missions. They'd be similar to incursions in difficulty and would be designed in such a way that only members of the accepting corporation would get rewards. It would be incursions without the pickup fleets, encouraging long-term relationships to be built and giving PVE-centric corps larger goals. Also, they would serve to develop skills more suitable to PVP. In my idea, these would be THE best highsec income, as they require long-term organization and cooperation.

I believe the word you're looking for is "wormholes".

I have never messed with them but from my understanding wormholes might start in highsec but they lead to what amounts to nullsec so no definitely not wormholes.

So you want incursions without competition for sites?

No I didn't say I want incursions without competition. I said some forum of highsec multiplayer content that would require 3 to 5 pilots. I even said no logistics so that is nothing like the current incursions.

This thread is not about Incursions or the recent nerf. I only mentioned them because it was the ONLY highsec content that required a fleet.

Why do so many lowsec / nullsec pilots feel threatened by the concept of additional content for highsec?

Do you honestly think your huge alliances will collapse when everyone in Eve says "oh wow new highsec content!"??

Guys if you have reasonable a disagreement please say why but don't the thread derailed by trolling.

Well grinding level 4's in a battleship all by myself is pretty much solo. Yes I have to worry about the once in a blue moon gank and sell stuff on the market but I would hardly consider that the same as being in a fleet with other players.

Maybe you misread my post but I didn't say anything about forcing anyone to do anything. I never said anything about removing level 4's but adding NEW CONTENT.

You would still have the option to solo grind level 4's. You would also have the option to do this new content if you CHOOSE to do so.

you will probably agree with me that a significant portion of carebears play to get rich. they either do not know about station trading or prefer shooting red crosses to updating market orders all day errry day (and who can blame them).
now, if you take said carebears and tell them that they would make twice the ISK if they could bring themselves to fleet up with random strangers and shoot tougher red crosses, you exert pressure on them to do so. they will grudgingly join a group and may or may not find the group experience entertaining but lastly they are in it for the money and if the money were not there they would prefer to stay alone again.
so my question to you is: do you think it's a good idea to lure people into something they do not really want by offering them better pay? if so, what's your argument aside from 'eve is a multiplayer game'?

P.S.: if the group missions you propose are not supposed to pay any better than incursions do now, i rest my case. the difference to playing solo is there but it's not large enough to FORCE people to team up (a fact very neatly shown by all the incursion tear threads).

I'm not asking for a a big money maker like incursions but something a little bit more fun and profitable than solo missions. If they really don't want it they won't do it. Im just asking for the content to be available. The pay won't be so high as to lure people who really don't like it.

Also why do some players act like it's such a bad thing to do PVE to make ISK? Do you honestly think anyone is in a Hulk for entertainment?? Part of Eve is about making ISK. New ships don't grow on trees.

The content is available. You just refuse to go to it.

In highsec?

Read the second sentence. Just because you refuse to go where there is group content aside from Incursions, doesn't mean that CCP needs to cater to you.

L5s used to be in HS. CCP decided that they preferred group (semi-)instanced content to exist only outside of HS. L5s are now only available in LS.

Read the first word in the title of this thread. The whole topic of this post is adding content in highsec. Not about what content already exists in low or nullsec. Please keep it on topic.

And l5s (group missions) were moved out of HS for a reason.

And they are almost dead now..

There was no reason at all, just a failed try to force peeps into low.

Either way, CCP said with that move that they didn't want group missions in HS.

And we all know CCP has never done something then realized it was a mistake.

Just because CCP does something doesn't mean we can't ask for something different on the forums.

If CCP did something to mess with what you like to do in Eve I'm sure you would be the first to post on here!

What you claim to like to do exists in EvE. It's just not in places that are convenient for you (or in the exact instanced form you want; Incursions are group PvE in HS. It's what you asked for).

Please reread the original post again before you reply.

3-5 pilots

In highsec

No logistics

Makes more than level 4 missions.

This is not Incursions...

I understand you don't agree with the idea but at this point you're just posting something to troll without even thinking. It only makes you look silly and derails the intent of the thread.

Now back to the thread topic... Does anyone have an intelligent response as to why this is a bad or good idea?

A while back CCP raised the noob corp tax to get people to play with other players. This might have helped a little but for some reason it seems in high sec Eve is still a single player game...

There needs to be PVE content in Eve where it requires multiple players to successfully complete. The payout must be higher than the single player content to encourage people to get away from the solo mission grind.

Incursions were that content but since the nerf many highsec pilots have gone back to the single player content.

This is not an incursion nerf thread so please don't derail it with if the nerf was needed or not.

My suggestion would be harder missions that require multiple ships to complete. I'm not talking about 10 but 3GÇô4 high skilled pilots in mission ships.

The payout would be about 10GÇô20 percent more than solo level 4's. Of course this would be adjusted depending on how it works in game.

Just like any mission it would have a gate that would limit the ships you could use. Logistics ships would not be allowed.

Eve is more fun if you get the "Multiplayer" part of the MMORPG!

[I wouldn't limit it just to members of the same corporation since that would stop random fleets. I think CCP needs to encourage interactions between players in highsec other than local chat.

Read the first word in the title of this thread. The whole topic of this post is adding content in highsec. Not about what content already exists in low or nullsec. Please keep it on topic.

Want more content? Leave high sec.

Aside from w-space, most of the game's PVE content isn't much different than that of highsec. It just pays a little better. For the PVE-minded players, I really don't see much reason to leave highsec. Nullsec PVE is just a means to funding nullsec stuff. We're talking about people who play Eve for completely different reasons.

I want to see CCP create a set of content specifically designed to draw player corporations into dangerous space chasing the almighty isk. I want it to be part of the natural progression. Level 5 missions failed to do that because they were ALL moved to lowsec. The content was effectively removed from high, making L4s the new bar. Incursions are always either high, low, or null. One incursion can never cross the border.

Imagine L4 corporate missions that can take fleets 5-10 jumps away from the mission agent and assign tasks in lowsec. Missions designed to take two hours for a group of 10-15 people to complete, including multiple objectives. My vision of this kind of content differs wildly from the OPs...mine is all about encouraging people to learn to work together for long-term objectives and invest the time to achieve them...and then dangling the isk carrot out into lowsec.

edit: In my mind, corporate L3s would be the highest level of highsec-only missions and should pay the equivalent of solo L4s and be built for 4-6 people. This would probably satisfy the OP.

I just would like to see small fleet content in highsec where a few pilots could do. PVE content in Eve could use some improvement.

I think any time you talk about making highsec better big nullsec alliances feel threatened that their portion of the ISK faucet might be getting smaller. They can control who makes ISK from nullsec but they have no control of ISK made in highsec. Yes some try with suicide ganking but that costs them ISK too.

No.

Its when you can print buckets of isk with pimped out ships in complete safety that people outside of high sec start getting irritated.

Re: Incursions.

I just would like to see small fleet content in highsec where a few pilots could do. PVE content in Eve could use some improvement.

I think any time you talk about making highsec better big nullsec alliances feel threatened that their portion of the ISK faucet might be getting smaller. They can control who makes ISK from nullsec but they have no control of ISK made in highsec. Yes some try with suicide ganking but that costs them ISK too.

So it's okay to do the same in nullsec? Don't bother telling me how dangerous nullsec is... If you're deep in your alliance space you're much safer than in any highsec system. In highsec you don't know who is going to gank you. In nullsec if anyone not blue is on the way you'll know long before they get to your system.

Well, you need a good ship to do a dangerous mission even if that mission is in low sec. A good ship might cost hundreds of millions of isk, especially now that the prices are up. So if you go to low sec, you also risk losing those isk piles. In order to earn half a billion, you probably would still have to finish few missions, then do some hauling, ... Maybe you want to use implants too. All this time you risk to get ganked.

Ok, maybe you learn to avoid getting ganked, but that is not totally obvious especially to new players / casual players. At first new players farm level 1 and 2 missions. They don't earn much, so they learn that isk is valuable. Then they farm tons of level 3 missions. They might get a battleship, do some level 4s, and then wander into low.

For those doing missions however, you "grow up" in EVE with an idea that solo is the way to go. And once you start getting some nice ships and decent income, you don't really want to risk them in low-sec. Why would you? You never had to group before, you make good isk already with little risk, and why would you share your rewards with others when it's better isk/hour to just do missions alone?

As it is right now, bringing a fresh "only did missions" pilot with you on a PvP roam more than likely will end up with him shooting his own fleet members in confusion than doing anything sensible, because they have no experience with fleets, they have no experience with how to deal with jammers, dampners, webbers, scrambling, warping in and out on fleet members and so on.

This is not true, not all players fall for the mission-running trap, they understand it correctly as a mini-game inside this virtual world. Sane people hate farming and try to optimize their play hours to do more interesting things.

In the end this thread comes down to artificial mental barriers based on false assumptions preventing people from diving into to the existing group content.

Low/null/whs are not insta-death zones, obviously there is risk involved, but the net effect of that risk is that it makes the boring PVE experience more challenging, interesting and rewarding. Instead of just grinding, you get a more immersive experience when you need to pay attention to your surroundings, and the added satisfaction of completing the PVE part and surviving.

And in the best case, you might even get some pew pew

For most players, the only reason to make ISK is to be able to risk ships. In missions, there is no risk whatsoever, so why you need the ISK?

You're thinking of incursions.

A while back I proposed the idea of corporate missions. They'd be similar to incursions in difficulty and would be designed in such a way that only members of the accepting corporation would get rewards. It would be incursions without the pickup fleets, encouraging long-term relationships to be built and giving PVE-centric corps larger goals. Also, they would serve to develop skills more suitable to PVP. In my idea, these would be THE best highsec income, as they require long-term organization and cooperation.

What?

Level 5 missions

0.0 Cosmos missions

Pirate missions

Much cooler and more difficult complexes

Wormholes as you mentioned

Pirate epic arc missions

FW missions

IMO this should have been incursions. Imagine if it had been the SOLE source for CONCORD LP (as it is) and ONLY found in low sec.

Why do you keep writing essays?

Why do you keep posting unhelpful, unwanted, unneeded drivel?

So it's okay to do the same in nullsec? Don't bother telling me how dangerous nullsec is... If you're deep in your alliance space you're much safer than in any highsec system. In highsec you don't know who is going to gank you. In nullsec if anyone not blue is on the way you'll know long before they get to your system.

noone would bother ganking you in hisec if you don't fly wtfpimp ship.

I know I won't get suicide ganked if I fly 600m tengu but I know for sure someone will gank me flying 3b tengu.

what's the risk in hisec then??

In nullsec you can fly that 3 billion ISK Tengu for carebear stuff and be a lot safer than you would be in highsec.

I'm not writing essays, but I guess some people are too used to TL;dr answers. If it's too long, then don't read it? :)

I've no idea why we are discussing ganking when it originally started out about multiplayer missions.

That said, I see plenty cheap ships get blown up by suicidegankers in highsec. Most due to Destroyers having such high damage output while being extremely cheap to fit and very easy to skill into for a throw-away alt.

Anyways, the game has two distinct sides... PvE and PvP.

Why should only the PvP related one be multiplayer friendly?

I see no problems with, and actually think it would be healthy, for players to actually work together in PvE as well.

To be clear though, I don't mean a multiplayer mission system that only has rats with the same non-existant AI with only boosted EHP and damage output as well as significantly increased rewards. That would only promote dual-box botting. The AI needs to be on sleeper level at least, and provide enough of a challenge that people who do the missions will have to work to pull through... and thereby earn the increased rewards.

Todays mission system is laughable and can even require less effort than mining.

Do
Train to Dominix
Train Sentry drones
Fly to mission and deploy drones.
Aggro all the rats in the belt with your 5000 isk worth tier 1 75mm railgun.
Engange tank.
Go do something else.
Loop until world = ends

Maybe we could get an intelligent discussion going.

Pretty sure I posted plenty of helpful comments. You just don't like them. Feel free to go back and read them again.

Make sure to write a thesis in response. That way your argument has validity or something.

Why do you keep writing essays?

I know this is going to be provocative for some people and a beacon for flamers, but still...

Quite often, especially in every discussion regarding missions, mining and complexes, someone will come forward and make the statement that EVE is a PvP game and not a PvE game.

It is absolutely true that EVE has alot of PvP, and that alot of people who play this game do so because they enjoy the PvP aspects of the game and how it is intertwined into everything that happens in the game. The truth is obvious, without PvP there would be no (or at least very little) demand for new ships, modules and ammunition. So yes, PvP has a strong, central role in the game, there is no questioning that.

However, ships, modules and ammunition is not seeded into the game and autogenerated at fixed prices in stations. There several steps before you get to the point where a ship is undocked and ready to go melt faces:

(and I know, I keep repeating myself, but it seems it's necessary because some just refuse to see it)

Mining out raw materials, which is a PvE activity.
Researching blueprints, which is a PvE activity.
Manufacturing items, which is a PvE activity.
Moving products to hubs, which is PvE activity

Furthermore you want to improve your efficiency in regards to waste/taxes when refining and taxation when building, so you do missions to improve standing with Corporation that owns the station...

... which is a PvE activity.

Also, alot of the items on the market that are not produced by players, such as Meta level items, deadspace items, officer items and so forth, are "generated" through killing NPC's in either belts, wormholes, complexes or missions.... which is a PvE activity.

So, call me mad, but how can you claim that EVE is not a PvE game?

Does someone actually think that every single player that undocks to do a PvE activity in the game are doing so with the sole intent of funding a PvP character?

Yes, EVE has a large focus on PvP, and without question the PvP is what drives the market in the game. However, there is so many PvE elements (granted, most of them are solo oriented) in the game that you can't just sweep all of those facts under a carpet and present EVE as a game that is not a PvE game.

Some might wish EVE was a game without PvE, but that's a different discussion altogether.

Now, if EVE "is not a pve game" then the following would be true:

1) Ships, modules, ammunition and so on is seeded into the game and available at most stations.
2) Increasing your skill unlocks better items to use.
3) High sec would not be needed and new players would only find sanctuary near stations or stargates, much like straight up PvP games have spawn-protection systems in the form of guards, auto-killing you if you go to close to an enemy spawn and so on.

I guess I could list more stuff too, but to keep this less-essay I'll just cut it short.

Pretty sure most people get my point.

They get your point but that doesn't stop them from trolling. I think some feel that attention given to fixing PVE content will be less attention to fixing content they like in the game. This is understandable of course. Also some trolling is just by people that don't care either way but want to stretch their e-peen.

The best thing you can do is ignore the trolls... Although they do bump the post every time they respond:)

@Emperor Salazar: Let me give you a hint on why some people might perceive your posts as trolling. Your opinion is exactly that, an opinion, nothing more. Nonetheless you post your opinion as fact and even try to tell people what they should do or not. See, that is an overestimation of your own capabilities and how can one take your arguments seriously, when you do a basic mistake like that.

Its not an "overestimation" you fool. I'm not going to sit here and post "well you have a valid argument dear good sir, but in my humble opinion etc etc."

I'm going to say what I believe to be true. People getting butt hurt because of this is not my problem. In fact, I find it quite adorable how common it is for me to declare 'OMG TROLL, GET OUT' whenever someone disagrees with their precious ideas about an internet spaceship game.

Also please tell me where I told someone what they should or should not do. I seem to have missed that part.

The lack of self-control in your posts does not go well with the attempted sarcasm about internet spaceships. They seem to be very important to you.

Also GÇ£You really need to learn how to get your point across with fewer words.GÇ¥ is only one example.

Thank you and have a good day.