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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1105
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Posted - 2012.06.23 00:18:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Xenuria wrote:Just because you use a large number of people and resources to execute a manipulation of the market does not mean that what you are doing is any more high-level or elite than if a single person was somehow doing all the work themselves. So I hear 5 people is "a large number of people and resources". Well they have a large amount of resources, I don't doubt... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
154
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Posted - 2012.06.23 00:18:00 -
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I read the OP as "dirty dicks". I am disappoint. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1105
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Posted - 2012.06.23 00:19:00 -
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Commit Sudoku wrote:xenuria your bleak view on things leads me to suspect you might be a very depressed person, tell me more about yourself, how was your bond with your mother when you were still little? Let's not ... wait what.
Is this General Psychological Therapy now? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.06.23 00:25:00 -
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You've been a dirty isk, haven't you. I bet you need to be spent! Mmmm, such a dirty iskie....
Um...I mean...
Posting in a money laundering thread... ? A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
763
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Posted - 2012.06.23 02:10:00 -
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You know i told people something like this was possible. And I was not listened too then. They said it would be to hard and complicated to pull off.
As far as i can tell Goons did nothing wrong. People pointed out that this was possible and CCP let it happen.
This is CCPs fault.
But im against Rollbacks since this was such an obvious outcome of the system they put in place. Which is one of the reasons i was so against what they wanted to do for FW. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
stoicfaux
1125
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Posted - 2012.06.23 02:43:00 -
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Moral of the Story for Game Designers: Don't link an infinite resource faucet to the market when the market can be manipulated.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
33
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Posted - 2012.06.23 05:36:00 -
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Cloned S0ul wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:Demolishar wrote:What the **** just happened? Mass goonswarm expolit ? More like high-level elite goonswarm market manipulations. You mean more like using expolit to manipulate market... Not manipulation it self or pure economy competition betwen players. Btw im not here to fight vs goonswarm etc, this therad is about fact that enormus amount of dirty earned isk are part of (ex healthy eve market) Ps.To gonswarm members. Dont take this post personaly i care about economy not about gonswarm alliance.
I actually see as the greatest ever Market PvP.
The jellies are thick with me, but at least I admit it.
My only comment on this is that I wouldn't mind if the goons shared some of their trillions with me. I would use it to buy a leet pvp toon in the Bazaar and join it to the Goons.
Cause I am seriously in awe of this emergent gameplay or whatever its called.
Eve forums official anthem:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1110
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Posted - 2012.06.23 05:39:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:I actually see as the greatest ever Market PvP.
The jellies are thick with me, but at least I admit it.
My only comment on this is that I wouldn't mind if the goons shared some of their trillions with me. I would use it to buy a leet pvp toon in the Bazaar and join it to the Goons.
Cause I am seriously in awe of this emergent gameplay or whatever its called. Considering this is just the five elite market people in goons, I think you might have a slightly incorrect view of what anyone else knew about the whole thing. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
310
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:06:00 -
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Cloned S0ul wrote:flakeys wrote:As a REALLY firm goon hater -just check my posting history - i can honestly say to the OP , go cry somewhere else.Those guys where clever enough to find an opportunity , seized it and made note of it to the player base when done.
Your jealousy can be smelled from miles away.Question is jealous of the isk they made or jealous because they could use that thing called a brain in a better way then you or maybe just both.I''d go for both . You are idiot. Even withaut expolting goonswarm and meny other alliances are very rich since alliances formed years ago , here no reason to be jealous because of random ally incomes, you need psychiatrist. Very low quality moron quote.
And thank you for proving my point , yup you be jealous , jealous and mad . |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
143
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Posted - 2012.06.23 09:36:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:flakeys wrote:As a REALLY firm goon hater -just check my posting history - i can honestly say to the OP , go cry somewhere else.Those guys where clever enough to find an opportunity , seized it and made note of it to the player base when done.
Your jealousy can be smelled from miles away.Question is jealous of the isk they made or jealous because they could use that thing called a brain in a better way then you or maybe just both.I''d go for both . You are idiot. Even withaut expolting goonswarm and meny other alliances are very rich since alliances formed years ago , here no reason to be jealous because of random ally incomes, you need psychiatrist. Very low quality moron quote. And thank you for proving my point , yup you be jealous , jealous and mad .
Perhaps you should be a profesional clown. Stop making fool of yourself. |
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
478
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Posted - 2012.06.23 09:44:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:this is a thread duping exploit
mods? mods?
Goons calling for moderation, it truly is the end of times
Tal
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Worn Xeno
One over Zero
10
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Posted - 2012.06.23 09:59:00 -
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Dirty ISK? As far as I can tell, the market manipulation scheme did not "produce" ISK, but rather created an easy way for the Goons to convert ISK to LPs and then to the items of their choice. All the ISK the Goons made came from other players buying those items from the Goons. As the market manipulation and the conversion from LP to Item actually costs ISK too it is probable that the entire scheme acted as an ISK sink for the economy, i.e. decreasing the total amount of ISK ingame. It is just that the Goons are now richer because they found a cheap way to get items to sell.
TL;DR No ISK was created. ISK just moved from other player's wallet into the Goons pockets via the market. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
478
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Posted - 2012.06.23 10:04:00 -
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Worn Xeno wrote:Dirty ISK? As far as I can tell, the market manipulation scheme did not "produce" ISK, but rather created an easy way for the Goons to convert ISK to LPs and then to the items of their choice. All the ISK the Goons made came from other players buying those items from the Goons. As the market manipulation and the conversion from LP to Item actually costs ISK too it is probable that the entire scheme acted as an ISK sink for the economy, i.e. decreasing the total amount of ISK ingame. It is just that the Goons are now richer because they found a cheap way to get items to sell.
TL;DR No ISK was created. ISK just moved from other player's wallet into the Goons pockets via the market.
Via a mechanic that should have not be used ....
Tal
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
310
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Posted - 2012.06.23 10:05:00 -
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Cloned S0ul wrote:flakeys wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:flakeys wrote:As a REALLY firm goon hater -just check my posting history - i can honestly say to the OP , go cry somewhere else.Those guys where clever enough to find an opportunity , seized it and made note of it to the player base when done.
Your jealousy can be smelled from miles away.Question is jealous of the isk they made or jealous because they could use that thing called a brain in a better way then you or maybe just both.I''d go for both . You are idiot. Even withaut expolting goonswarm and meny other alliances are very rich since alliances formed years ago , here no reason to be jealous because of random ally incomes, you need psychiatrist. Very low quality moron quote. And thank you for proving my point , yup you be jealous , jealous and mad . Perhaps you should be a profesional clown. Stop making fool of yourself.
Idiot , moron , clown , fool , are you done calling me names yet or are you one of those people who thinks that giving a clear message can only be achieved by trashtalking? |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
478
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Posted - 2012.06.23 10:07:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:flakeys wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:flakeys wrote:As a REALLY firm goon hater -just check my posting history - i can honestly say to the OP , go cry somewhere else.Those guys where clever enough to find an opportunity , seized it and made note of it to the player base when done.
Your jealousy can be smelled from miles away.Question is jealous of the isk they made or jealous because they could use that thing called a brain in a better way then you or maybe just both.I''d go for both . You are idiot. Even withaut expolting goonswarm and meny other alliances are very rich since alliances formed years ago , here no reason to be jealous because of random ally incomes, you need psychiatrist. Very low quality moron quote. And thank you for proving my point , yup you be jealous , jealous and mad . Perhaps you should be a profesional clown. Stop making fool of yourself. Idiot , moron , clown , fool , are you done calling me names yet or are you one of those people who thinks that giving a clear message can only be achieved by trashtalking?
Kids can be so dramatic don't you think
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Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
144
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Posted - 2012.06.23 10:55:00 -
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@ flakeys i wont quote wall of text again, because probably you newer stop posting (goon syndrome)... Man calm down and stop atack me, you start your bullshit and now stop this, this therad isn't about you. Got personal problem mail me in game or somthing stop making personal drama here... |
Worn Xeno
One over Zero
10
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Posted - 2012.06.23 13:21:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Worn Xeno wrote:Dirty ISK? As far as I can tell, the market manipulation scheme did not "produce" ISK, but rather created an easy way for the Goons to convert ISK to LPs and then to the items of their choice. All the ISK the Goons made came from other players buying those items from the Goons. As the market manipulation and the conversion from LP to Item actually costs ISK too it is probable that the entire scheme acted as an ISK sink for the economy, i.e. decreasing the total amount of ISK ingame. It is just that the Goons are now richer because they found a cheap way to get items to sell.
TL;DR No ISK was created. ISK just moved from other player's wallet into the Goons pockets via the market. Via a mechanic that should have not be used .... Tal
I'm not contesting that the Goons misused the mechanics involved (and if they had really had informed CCP beforehand and they did not fix it, shame on CCP too). Still, the ISK involved is not "dirty" and does not warrant a "rollback" like the OP suggested. Also CCP did state that they may "reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means", which I read as removing excessive LP, ISK and items from those accounts. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
345
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Posted - 2012.06.23 13:33:00 -
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Oh noez, my cake has been taken away. I shall shed big Jewbal tears. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
144
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Posted - 2012.06.23 15:04:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:Goons are just ******* with CCP, they don't need the isk anyway. And I think CCP are going to end up losing control of their own game.
already have. Wrong tense http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
310
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:36:00 -
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Cloned S0ul wrote:@ flakeys i wont quote wall of text again, because probably you never stop posting (goon syndrome)... Man calm down and stop atack me, you start your bullshit and now stop this, this therad isn't about you. Got personal problem mail me in game or somthing stop making personal drama here...
Personal drama?
First off i ain't the one who copy pasted a link wich was in the OP of another thread in GD just to get my name out in the lights , god knows what you had in mind when posting this.
Second off , calm down and stop attacking you?I am calm , i'm not the one who's slinging bad names / cursewords around , that would be you.But please do not mail me if YOU have a personal problem with me as this drama thread is allllllll about you here.I don't need my 1 second of eve fame so please enjoy it as it probably also will be your last second of eve fame.
Really if you feel copy pasting someone else's post just for the sake of having your own thread at least handle it in an adult way without throwing bad words around and a little less drama queen would be fine.
I also like how you changed this post from begging into ''hard man talks'''' when i did not reply in a short timeframe.Please continue your posting , we have enough room on GD for that type , just don't take it into the other subforums except CAOD as that one needs some more love.
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Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
146
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Posted - 2012.06.24 00:59:00 -
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OMG he copy link, call a police, call NATO FBI and NASA... Every one must know... Kid go away please. Teemo for president. |
Lord Zim
918
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:06:00 -
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Worn Xeno wrote:Dirty ISK? As far as I can tell, the market manipulation scheme did not "produce" ISK, but rather created an easy way for the Goons to convert ISK to LPs and then to the items of their choice. All the ISK the Goons made came from other players buying those items from the Goons. As the market manipulation and the conversion from LP to Item actually costs ISK too it is probable that the entire scheme acted as an ISK sink for the economy, i.e. decreasing the total amount of ISK ingame. It is just that the Goons are now richer because they found a cheap way to get items to sell.
TL;DR No ISK was created. ISK just moved from other player's wallet into the Goons pockets via the market. In fact, a lot of isk was removed from the eve economy while they did this.
Talon SilverHawk wrote:Via a mechanic that should have not be used .... Did it say "do not use"? |
Lord Zim
918
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:10:00 -
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Cloned S0ul wrote:OMG he copy link, call a police, call NATO FBI and NASA... Every one must know... Kid go away please. Again, got problem mail me in game.... Write a full of hate message i read it, my popcorn is ready. I've a better idea: Stop posting.
Cloned S0ul wrote:Try undertand i just paste this link to show people what is going on, in one word (link) while here a tons of spam in other therad... Is realy hard to understand? oh wait go track this other stupid therad where people posting because of posting, looks like you belong to them. I'm pretty certain everyone who wanted to see that link, could see that link in the first thread.
I mean, it's the 3rd post on the 1st page. It's not exactly very well hidden. |
Malacath Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
14
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Posted - 2012.06.24 14:29:00 -
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Cloned S0ul wrote:@ flakeys i wont quote wall of text again, because probably you never stop posting (goon syndrome)... Man calm down and stop atack me, you start your bullshit and now stop this, this therad isn't about you. Got personal problem mail me in game or somthing stop making personal drama here...
Don't try to put down your betters whilst simultaneously butchering the English language.
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J3ssica Biel
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.06.24 14:38:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:What the **** just happened? hi |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1115
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Posted - 2012.06.24 14:39:00 -
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Malacath Azaria wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:@ flakeys i wont quote wall of text again, because probably you never stop posting (goon syndrome)... Man calm down and stop atack me, you start your bullshit and now stop this, this therad isn't about you. Got personal problem mail me in game or somthing stop making personal drama here... Don't try to put down your betters whilst simultaneously butchering the English language. Poor english language :cripes: Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Malacath Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
15
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Posted - 2012.06.24 14:44:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Malacath Azaria wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:@ flakeys i wont quote wall of text again, because probably you never stop posting (goon syndrome)... Man calm down and stop atack me, you start your bullshit and now stop this, this therad isn't about you. Got personal problem mail me in game or somthing stop making personal drama here... Don't try to put down your betters whilst simultaneously butchering the English language. Poor english language :cripes:
Poor English is like speaking another language. You can write up a huge wall of text, but it might aswell be in Mandarin. |
Mons Pubis Giganticus
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:11:00 -
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filthy lucre! |
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