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Mining FriendlyBear
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Posted - 2010.01.06 20:42:00 -
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I have been extremely disturbed by all the posts about griefers and lowlifes set to blow up miners ships and cause financial havoc on the industrial community. Does this violate the EULA? How can this kind of action be tolerated when it causes so much financial and emotional stress on the helpless targets?
I am seriously considering if perhaps a class action lawsuit may be in order to keep gameplay fair and balanced as well as prevent real life consequences such as stress and depression from affecting pilots who may be targetted in this unlawful act.
Now is the time for industrialists to stand up and be heard and not be second class citizens.
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Pantload
Gallente
The Underpants Gnomes
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.01.06 20:44:00 -
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/me Grabs the fire extinguisher. I'm expecting flames.
Oh and...in first 
TUG: The Underpants Gnomes.
Buy corporations here
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Tolarnune
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Posted - 2010.01.06 20:46:00 -
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If you feel the need to even ask about lawsuits for stuff in a game you need to consider cancelling your subscription. Life goes beyond a game.
If an adverse affect such as depression or stress come to you because of a war against anyone, let alone miners, i believe you should definately cancel your subscription.
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Boner McGee
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Posted - 2010.01.06 20:47:00 -
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Allahu Akbar!
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Bel'shamharoth
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Posted - 2010.01.06 20:48:00 -
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2/10 - You would have gotten 6/10, but your name was too obvious.
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Mining FriendlyBear
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Posted - 2010.01.06 20:52:00 -
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I have been mining for awhile now and find your insinuation that i am a 2/10 or whatever that means is offensive and reportable. this is a game yes but when it impacts peoples real lives and causes undue stress and anxiety it is time to look at the people who try to bring that to you.
maybe the best solution is like other successful games and make pvp only server and then server for those who are peace loving and wish to build relationships and fun.
shame on those who want to see others suffer.
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Federal Defense Operations
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Posted - 2010.01.06 21:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
...this is a game yes but when it impacts peoples real lives and causes undue stress and anxiety it is time to look at the people who try to bring that to you...
This is a PVP game.
Spaceships shooting other spaceships, is part of that. In fact, it's the point.
If the game is causing you undue stress and anxiety... press Ctrl Q and back away from the keyboard. |
The Crushah
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.01.06 21:02:00 -
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Once again someone doesnt get EVE.
EVE is not Hello Kitty online. It is a cold, dark, world where in an instant someone can deprive you of everything you worked years for. CCP intended it this way and it will remain this way. If this makes you unhappy and depressed, then maybe EVE isnt for you.
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Iimlug
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Posted - 2010.01.06 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
maybe the best solution is like other successful games and make pvp only server
You are on the PVP only server
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mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.01.06 21:16:00 -
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Obvious troll 
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Taedrin
Gallente
The Green Cross
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.01.06 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
I have been mining for awhile now and find your insinuation that i am a 2/10 or whatever that means is offensive and reportable.
If you don't know what it means, then how can you be offended by it?
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Elite Qin
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.01.06 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Iimlug
You are on the PVP only server
Best. Quote. Ever.
Also, @OP: Go away
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.01.06 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: FunzzeR on 06/01/2010 21:48:53
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
I have been extremely disturbed by all the posts about griefers and lowlifes set to blow up miners ships and cause financial havoc on the industrial community. Does this violate the EULA? How can this kind of action be tolerated when it causes so much financial and emotional stress on the helpless targets?
I am seriously considering if perhaps a class action lawsuit may be in order to keep gameplay fair and balanced as well as prevent real life consequences such as stress and depression from affecting pilots who may be targetted in this unlawful act.
Now is the time for industrialists to stand up and be heard and not be second class citizens.
E-Lawyer FTL... 
Your case would be laughed out of every legal court in the world. Only things you would achieve is enrich your lawyer.
EvE was intended as a PVP game, as such events such as the hulkageddon and ganking at large is ok under CCP's EULA. Avoiding getting ganked is entirely in your hands as there are a number of practical solutions that will make you safer.
Honestly why do people come crying to the forums demanding CCP put a stop to it? Its not like I or other pvpers petition and cry on forums saying that our targets are harassing us by not staying still so we can gank them eh? No we use the game mechanics available to us to achieve our goals. I imagine that is a rather novel idea for miners to grasp.
PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!! |
sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.01.06 21:51:00 -
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Yes, my legal fee is 350 million isk per case, no cure no pay, have to pay up front though. Contact me in game.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.06 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
I have been mining for awhile now and find your insinuation that i am a 2/10 or whatever that means is offensive and reportable.
In the off chance you aren't trolling (otherwise 10/10 for getting me to respond):
*/10 = Judges score, in this case judging the obviousness of the post being a troll. Negative scores are even worse (more obvious). Perfect 10/10 troll posts are not at all obvious.
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Tina Rufemup
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.01.06 22:03:00 -
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If you want your own carebear server please buy Everquest and enjoy. I don't even think you could even handle WoW. Due to all the PvP in that game. This is a game for strong willed, not the weak minded.
Life is a waste of time
Time is a waste of life
So get wasted all the time
And have the time of your life....
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Mining FriendlyBear
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Posted - 2010.01.06 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
I have been mining for awhile now and find your insinuation that i am a 2/10 or whatever that means is offensive and reportable.
In the off chance you aren't trolling (otherwise 10/10 for getting me to respond):
*/10 = Judges score, in this case judging the obviousness of the post being a troll. Negative scores are even worse (more obvious). Perfect 10/10 troll posts are not at all obvious.
this is pure nonsense about trolls. the real "trolls" are people who enjoy ruining other people lives and causing them to lose all their time and investment in game. what kind of society is this where the goal is to cause people extreme suffering and possible psychiatric problems from their experience??
eve has many fun for the industrialist and builder of social economies but why it has to be ruined in just 10 minutes by obvious sociopaths?
i cannot do anything to stop this but something has to be done and the community needs to join together or the sociopaths and greifers will have ruined us.
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Krans Hopeson
Hypercube Ventures
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Posted - 2010.01.06 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
In the off chance you aren't trolling (otherwise 10/10 for getting me to respond):
*/10 = Judges score, in this case judging the obviousness of the post being a troll. Negative scores are even worse (more obvious). Perfect 10/10 troll posts are not at all obvious.
this is pure nonsense about trolls. the real "trolls" are people who enjoy ruining other people lives and causing them to lose all their time and investment in game.
No, that's called 'griefing' and the people who do it are called 'griefers'. Just FYI.
Also, 4/10 from the South-East Yugoslavian judge. 
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Lanais Suleia
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Posted - 2010.01.06 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: mechtech
Obvious troll
^^ this. Looks liek enough idiots are biting though.
Seriously people, trolls are like spammers. Don't respond, and eventually they'll go away. you have to ALL stop responding though! |
Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.01.06 23:14:00 -
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lawl
obvious troll is...
...obvious...
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FireT
Gallente
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2010.01.06 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
I have been mining for awhile now and find your insinuation that i am a 2/10 or whatever that means is offensive and reportable. this is a game yes but when it impacts peoples real lives and causes undue stress and anxiety it is time to look at the people who try to bring that to you.
maybe the best solution is like other successful games and make pvp only server and then server for those who are peace loving and wish to build relationships and fun.
shame on those who want to see others suffer.
So is someone in REAL LIFE putting a gun to your head or that of your family? Are they requiring you to mine a certain amount each hour / day / week?
If neither question is no, you are a -1 / 10 in intelligence and humor posting since you could just NOT mine for a while. Enjoy real life and other Eve things.
I myself just finished painting a bit. 
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.01.06 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: FireT
So is someone in REAL LIFE putting a gun to your head or that of your family? Are they requiring you to mine a certain amount each hour / day / week?
If you live in China, yes.
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Kaylee Juuna
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Posted - 2010.01.06 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon
This is a PVP game.
I've never heard a more idiotic statement in my life.
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Mad Constructor
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Posted - 2010.01.06 23:41:00 -
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I don't think you understand EvE at all. Hulkageddon is a boost to the industrial community. When someone ganks a mining ship with a BS or several smaller ships, and all those ships, and about half the modules need to be replaced. And guess who benefits from replacing them...
If you still can't understand how ship destruction is needed on a scale that only PvP can provide, then you will never come close to understanding the EvE economy at all.
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Zorana Lionheart
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Posted - 2010.01.06 23:44:00 -
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When you quit can I have your stuff? Wait do I have to send you money first then you will 10x it and send it back?
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Hulkageddon Insurance
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.01.07 00:06:00 -
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If you are so concerned about losing your mining ship, might I suggest checking out the official Hulkageddon insurance? Buying this insurance will make sure that if you do lose a ship to Hulkageddon, you get reimbursed and are able to replace it quickly, limiting any inconvenience. The link to the only official insurance is provided below in my signature, and reproduced here for your benefit.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1246349
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The only OFFICIAL provider of Hulkageddon insurance.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1246349 |
Yahrr
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.01.07 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Yahrr on 07/01/2010 00:30:56
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
make pvp only server and then server for those who are peace loving and wish to build relationships and fun.
Which leads to:
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You can mine in peace but are unable to sell anything as no one ever dies.
Ammo might still be needed, but everyone is building ammo already, so the margins are near zero.
Isk has no value at all on this server.
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Everyone is killing each other left and right. Concord is disabled as there is no need for it anymore.
Ship and ammo prices are extremely high. 20 mil for a T1 frigate because there are only five people building them.
Industry is the profession with the least competition and producers earn billions each day.
Isk is gold, pure gold.
Result:
The carebears hear about the value of isk on the pvp server and switches back, risking life with no concord at all. More carebears follow and the carebear server slowly dies. EvE goes back to normal.
A year later this thread is reopened thanks to the announcement of Hulkageddon 2012.
If you just switch to a Covetor during Hulkageddon you don't risk that much, even when you're afk mining. In fact, you will see that Hulkageddon gives you an advantage as your competition is wiped out.
/me doesn't care about who's a troll and who isn't.
[Ninja edit: Use that insurance offer! Do it! Now!]
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.07 02:00:00 -
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This is completely ridiculous.
Mining is something that often takes place in high security space, which is meant to safe. If I choose to mine in a safe place, that's exactly what it should be--safe.
CCP has given plenty of room for PVPers to roam in less secure places to get their fix for PVP. I leave these people alone, and they should leave me and my friends alone, too.
If CCP wanted PVP in safe space, there would be no CONCORD. As far as I am concerned, this is harassment, and CCP will put an end to it.
Unbelievable.
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Mara Tessidar
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Posted - 2010.01.07 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
This is completely ridiculous.
Mining is something that often takes place in high security space, which is meant to safe. If I choose to mine in a safe place, that's exactly what it should be--safe.
CCP has given plenty of room for PVPers to roam in less secure places to get their fix for PVP. I leave these people alone, and they should leave me and my friends alone, too.
If CCP wanted PVP in safe space, there would be no CONCORD. As far as I am concerned, this is harassment, and CCP will put an end to it.
Unbelievable.
الجهاد سربسرب
ALLAH AKBAR!Ö
"Safe", not "Invulnerable". Note the difference.
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Quote:
Your tactical brilliance shines with the intensity of a thousand suns. No, wait...that's your fleet commander turning into a rapidly-expanding particle cloud.
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Argat Bogotsch
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Posted - 2010.01.07 02:05:00 -
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successful troll is successful
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2010.01.07 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
This is completely ridiculous.
Mining is something that often takes place in high security space, which is meant to safe. If I choose to mine in a safe place, that's exactly what it should be--safe.
CCP has given plenty of room for PVPers to roam in less secure places to get their fix for PVP. I leave these people alone, and they should leave me and my friends alone, too.
If CCP wanted PVP in safe space, there would be no CONCORD. As far as I am concerned, this is harassment, and CCP will put an end to it.
Unbelievable.
lamer
High Sec is safeR, not safe.
There is only one safe place in EVE, and that's sitting in a station.
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Wreck Disposal Services |
Ovek
Gallente
Obscure Violence
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2010.01.07 02:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ovek on 07/01/2010 02:14:24
Quote:
Does this violate the EULA?
while i do some mining with a hulk, i like killing hulks with another alts :) thats fun!
btw, if you don't mine afk, you can easy avoid a gank.
try this before open a not carebear-proof thread. what response do you think to get?
lol
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Mining FriendlyBear
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Posted - 2010.01.07 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
This is completely ridiculous.
Mining is something that often takes place in high security space, which is meant to safe. If I choose to mine in a safe place, that's exactly what it should be--safe.
CCP has given plenty of room for PVPers to roam in less secure places to get their fix for PVP. I leave these people alone, and they should leave me and my friends alone, too.
If CCP wanted PVP in safe space, there would be no CONCORD. As far as I am concerned, this is harassment, and CCP will put an end to it.
Unbelievable.
FINALLY, some voices of reason. This is very true and the fact that evildoers can come and shoot us up in safe security space and we lose everything and they get insurance is criminal. This needs fixed now. We cannot as gaming community condone this level of evil and antisocial behavior against other human beings.
Hulkageddon is a step in de-evolution.
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Rusalka Renoir
Gallente
United Industries LTD.
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2010.01.07 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Argat Bogotsch
successful troll is successful
I see what you did there.
And I like it.
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Reya Evermore
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Posted - 2010.01.07 04:24:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
I am seriously considering if perhaps a class action lawsuit may be in order to keep gameplay fair and balanced as well as prevent real life consequences such as stress and depression from affecting pilots who may be targetted in this unlawful act.
LOL, great post.
and lol to all the people who didn't "get it" that this was a joke.
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Forum Reprentative
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Posted - 2010.01.07 06:47:00 -
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suck it up noob!
I'm an evil pirate and I like to harass other players, specially gank newbies in their navitas.
I'll take part of Hulkageddon just because I enjoy with other players suffer.
And for any Hulk I gank I'll go to the park to catch an squirrel and torture them.
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Me, as OP, also know how to make a pathetic troll..
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.01.07 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Argat Bogotsch
successful troll is successful
QFT.. It was well written too..
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Sigras
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Posted - 2010.01.07 08:06:00 -
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I have one question if the OP is US,
Did you vote for Obama?
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Lunatic Shakhid
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Posted - 2010.01.07 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
I am seriously considering if perhaps a class action lawsuit may be in order to keep gameplay fair and balanced as well as prevent real life consequences such as stress and depression from affecting pilots who may be targetted in this unlawful act.
So if you a play a game and lose you should sue your opponent for causing you to suffer the stress of defeat. Even if you were playing AFK.
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Solar Ra
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Posted - 2010.01.07 08:20:00 -
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Rather than trying to stop the Hulkageddon, maybe ask devs to revisit the no insurance for concord incidents and/or a moderate structure hp boost to all Barges/Exhumers ( they are really brittle as far as heavy machinery go).
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Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2010.01.07 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Nian Banks on 07/01/2010 08:50:49
1: Increase the PG & CPU of mining barges and exhumers so they can fit cruiser and battleship tanks. Cruiser for mining barges, Battleship for Exhumers.
2: remove Meta0 Tech1 modules from npc loot tables and reduced the drop rate of drone alloys by a minimum of 25% preferrably 50%.
3: make it that strip miners can only be used in 0.5 sec and below.
If these three simple things happen, then for miners the game is balanced, and all their biatching becomes a hollow whine with no real justification for complaints.
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Sigras
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Posted - 2010.01.07 09:10:00 -
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Yard, forum ate my post. . . Om nom non
So what you guys are saying is that you want this "free market economy" to be so strictly regulated so that nothing bad happens to you when in high sec. . .
Let me guess, you voted for Obama. . .
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JusyFrut
Trans-Solar Works
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.01.07 09:51:00 -
[43]
Originally by: FireT
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
I have been mining for awhile now and find your insinuation that i am a 2/10 or whatever that means is offensive and reportable. this is a game yes but when it impacts peoples real lives and causes undue stress and anxiety it is time to look at the people who try to bring that to you.
maybe the best solution is like other successful games and make pvp only server and then server for those who are peace loving and wish to build relationships and fun.
shame on those who want to see others suffer.
So is someone in REAL LIFE putting a gun to your head or that of your family? Are they requiring you to mine a certain amount each hour / day / week?
If neither question is no, you are a -1 / 10 in intelligence and humor posting since you could just NOT mine for a while. Enjoy real life and other Eve things.
I myself just finished painting a bit.
According to what i read here, there can only be 1 conclusion: You are a Chinese ISK farmer, if you really dont like your boss putting pressure on you i would just resign its way easier.
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ingenting
20th Legion
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.01.07 12:28:00 -
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Gen Sherman
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Posted - 2010.01.07 15:01:00 -
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Might I suggest mining with a rohk till this thing gets done.
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Helen
Optimus Crime.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.01.07 15:07:00 -
[46]
Don't touch my hulks kthx.
TIME TO NUT UP OR SHUT UP |
Areoth Courage
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:53:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
I have been mining for awhile now and find your insinuation that i am a 2/10 or whatever that means is offensive and reportable.
In the off chance you aren't trolling (otherwise 10/10 for getting me to respond):
*/10 = Judges score, in this case judging the obviousness of the post being a troll. Negative scores are even worse (more obvious). Perfect 10/10 troll posts are not at all obvious.
this is pure nonsense about trolls. the real "trolls" are people who enjoy ruining other people lives and causing them to lose all their time and investment in game. what kind of society is this where the goal is to cause people extreme suffering and possible psychiatric problems from their experience??
eve has many fun for the industrialist and builder of social economies but why it has to be ruined in just 10 minutes by obvious sociopaths?
i cannot do anything to stop this but something has to be done and the community needs to join together or the sociopaths and greifers will have ruined us.
Read a Eve Chronicle
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Mining FriendlyBear
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Posted - 2010.01.07 17:56:00 -
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It is extremely sad how these events have turned out. Hulkageddon has started and innocent miners are being harassed, tortured, and blown up in safe space with no recourse or penalty to the evildoers. The responses to this plea have turned out to be less than helpful or constructive but serve to illustrate that perhaps EVE is a wicked society and there can be no righteousness found within this universe.
I deplore the fact that human society has failed and we have become nothing more than a collection of sociopaths. EVE is a microcosm of our greater global community and both are in absolute peril. Pure evil roams this game and our public streets, the average citizen no longer stands up for the downtrodden or against this wickedness but rather revels in it and perpetuates the horror.
I can no longer justify being in this community as it is truly evil and just a taste of what is to come on planet Earth. You cannot have my isk for i will not be a party to further the torture and suffering of another eve player who wishes to enrich his personal life and time creating something only to have it destroyed by sadists.
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat" --Matthew 7:13
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Bfoster
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.07 17:59:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Bfoster on 07/01/2010 17:59:56
9/10..
One of the best trolls of 2010?
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Iimlug
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Posted - 2010.01.07 18:19:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Iimlug on 07/01/2010 18:19:02
Its too early to tell but the force is strong with this one.
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Zernez
Minmatar
Kai-Zen Security
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Posted - 2010.01.07 18:50:00 -
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I give this troll 8/10 since it made me want to go pirate just so I could gank the OP and help encourage him to seek help.
Sadly, the OP is either trolling now or lies like a rug.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1232422
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Posted - 2010.01.07 19:00:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Zernez
I give this troll 8/10 since it made me want to go pirate just so I could gank the OP and help encourage him to seek help.
Sadly, the OP is either trolling now or lies like a rug.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1232422
he wants to live in providence... makes him an even bigger fail bear!
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Mealtrom
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Posted - 2010.01.07 19:30:00 -
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Trolls: Cunning.
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Tunak
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Posted - 2010.01.07 19:49:00 -
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lol really? lol
I hope you're a troll I really really hope you're a troll.
If not please consult a lawyer and have them laugh at you.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.01.07 20:08:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Tunak
lol really? lol
I hope you're a troll I really really hope you're a troll.
If not please consult a lawyer and have them laugh at you.
your name reminded me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bAN7Ts0xBo
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Miyuki Shirafune
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.01.07 21:48:00 -
[56]
Waiting for troll callout replies to exceed replies with true content
Also waiting for inevitable reduction to Godwin's law in analogizing the obvious RL deviancy of EvE gankers.
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Trazis
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.01.07 22:59:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Kitimortoa
Originally by: FireT
So is someone in REAL LIFE putting a gun to your head or that of your family? Are they requiring you to mine a certain amount each hour / day / week?
If you live in China, yes.
Lmao I love troll posts you can always find people with good humor at them.
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Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.07 23:31:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
Originally by: Riethe
This is completely ridiculous.
Mining is something that often takes place in high security space, which is meant to safe. If I choose to mine in a safe place, that's exactly what it should be--safe.
CCP has given plenty of room for PVPers to roam in less secure places to get their fix for PVP. I leave these people alone, and they should leave me and my friends alone, too.
If CCP wanted PVP in safe space, there would be no CONCORD. As far as I am concerned, this is harassment, and CCP will put an end to it.
Unbelievable.
FINALLY, some voices of reason. This is very true and the fact that evildoers can come and shoot us up in safe security space and we lose everything and they get insurance is criminal. This needs fixed now. We cannot as gaming community condone this level of evil and antisocial behavior against other human beings.
Hulkageddon is a step in de-evolution.
Is it just me or does this look like Riethe is actually Mining FreindlyBear and forgot to switch ats before he pushed his button? 
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Lilyanthe
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.01.08 00:15:00 -
[59]
If the OP is truly a troll, might I suggest the following nutritional information?
A can of Sunkist has but only 190 calories.
It'll help to cool you off under a bridge on a hot planet with three, blue suns.
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Eddie Laydon
Caldari
Innovative Creation Industries
Sons of RA
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Posted - 2010.01.08 01:06:00 -
[60]
This has gone far enough! Too long have we, innocent and misunderstood pirates, been harassed in the forums by evil carebears.
First they threaten to stop making our ships and now they want to sue us. Well I'm sick and tired of this! I havent been able to gank anyone ever since i read this thread and I want some compensation! So, im gonna sue the OP for ruining my life and causing me a lot of stress. 
I hope youre happy!
Why don't they make the whole plane out of that black box stuff.
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Ancharra Jaram
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Posted - 2010.01.08 07:08:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
this is pure nonsense about trolls. the real "trolls" are people who enjoy ruining other people lives and causing them to lose all their time and investment in game. what kind of society is this where the goal is to cause people extreme suffering and possible psychiatric problems from their experience??
eve has many fun for the industrialist and builder of social economies but why it has to be ruined in just 10 minutes by obvious sociopaths?
i cannot do anything to stop this but something has to be done and the community needs to join together or the sociopaths and greifers will have ruined us.
*has flashback to pre-Trammel UO forums*
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Shalkto
Gallente
The Resurging Wind
Lost Sheep Domain
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Posted - 2010.01.08 07:16:00 -
[62]
guys look at the player name obviously a troll this thread is fluff moving on. lets pput it this way hulkageddon is a failure...i've yet to even see a single player hunting in half the zones i travel... we win
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Ghost Rider86
Caldari
Phoenix Interstellar Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.08 09:17:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Riethe
This is completely ridiculous.
Mining is something that often takes place in high security space, which is meant to safe. If I choose to mine in a safe place, that's exactly what it should be--safe.
CCP has given plenty of room for PVPers to roam in less secure places to get their fix for PVP. I leave these people alone, and they should leave me and my friends alone, too.
If CCP wanted PVP in safe space, there would be no CONCORD. As far as I am concerned, this is harassment, and CCP will put an end to it.
Unbelievable.
lamer
High Sec is safeR, not safe.
There is only one safe place in EVE, and that's sitting in a station.
I am waiting for the day that you will be able to throw a Titan on a station. You?
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.01.08 11:39:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Is it just me or does this look like Riethe is actually Mining FreindlyBear and forgot to switch ats before he pushed his button?
You know better than this.
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FinancialCrisis
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Posted - 2010.01.08 12:04:00 -
[65]
Hulkaggedon is good for the mining business. Clears out competition and causes a rise in mineral prices. This will make more money for the enterprising care-bear in the long run. <QQ >GG
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Test project
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Posted - 2010.01.08 16:16:00 -
[66]
htfu
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Swansinthepark
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Posted - 2010.01.08 20:07:00 -
[67]
If every affected miner put 25% of what they mined in a separate stack then a lot of cash could be raised to get someone in to take care of things!
*looks around for the local guiding hand rep for a quote
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Ender's Shadow
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Posted - 2010.01.09 12:15:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
Now is the time for industrialists to stand up and be heard and not be second class citizens.
That's right, form up miners! Come in mass! Swarms! LEgions! Bump those tempests out of town!
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Bondeknold
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Posted - 2010.01.11 14:26:00 -
[69]
Okay .. Hulkageddon has been Running for how long ? 1 week ? and already your stressed out and feels depressed and **** .. and you consider A lawsuit ..First of All .. gett a life .. And gett a Job ..and Move out of your Moms basement ,Its a game .. 300.000 ppl enjoy it as it is .. We got 1 server and a mini society working as it is .. If We should complain every time Something dident work out as we planned we would spend most of the day doing that .. We gett ganked and Scammed and **** all the time .. But you Learn gett better and one day its you being the Killer . Gett over it .. eat a cookie . P.S High sec aint Supposed to be what you call Secure .. its supposed to be Safer than low sec or 0.0 But not Safe
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Winterjack
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Posted - 2010.01.11 14:53:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
I am seriously considering if perhaps a class action lawsuit may be in order to keep gameplay fair and balanced as well as prevent real life consequences such as stress and depression from affecting pilots who may be targetted in this unlawful act.
You serious or in for the lols?
I'll lol, just to be sure. ;)
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Flowjob
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Posted - 2010.01.11 15:11:00 -
[71]
ROFL
Gratz to the thread creator for creating the most stupid post i ever read.
My main may do carebear stuff 95% of the time, but i play this game because stuff like hulkaggeddon IS allowed and if a non-PVP server was created there is no way in hell i would play on it. This game is meant to be harsh and dying costly.
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Grunanca
Final Agony
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Posted - 2010.01.11 15:14:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
I have been mining for awhile now and find your insinuation that i am a 2/10 or whatever that means is offensive and reportable. this is a game yes but when it impacts peoples real lives and causes undue stress and anxiety it is time to look at the people who try to bring that to you.
maybe the best solution is like other successful games and make pvp only server and then server for those who are peace loving and wish to build relationships and fun.
shame on those who want to see others suffer.
If you want relationships and fun I would prob go to a datingsite and not a game...
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.01.11 17:26:00 -
[73]
Actually I met my current partner through Star Wars Galaxies... we've been together for a nubers of years now and we have a wonderful daughter.
Somtimes it does happen in a game
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Alexia Quant
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Posted - 2010.01.12 00:16:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
This is very true and the fact that evildoers can come and shoot us up in safe security space and we lose everything and they get insurance is criminal.
George? :O
@topic: Hisec does work. Concord is there for a reason. Concord Deters most people from killing hisec, and if you knew what you where doing you would have a good enough tank on your hulk to be able to tank your gankers out until concord pops them(This is assuming they aren't flying a fleet of either 20 frigates or 4 or 5 ravens) which is doubtable. Check battle clinic for some nice fits to do that if you can't manage to figure one out for yourself. As for real life psychological consequences of having your virtual ship blown up in this virtual game, well... if there are actual psychological consequences from your virtual ship being popped on this virtual game please cancel your Eve online subscription, and see a psychiatrist, or even check yourself into a hospital because you sir have issues.
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Jim Ned
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Posted - 2010.01.12 19:44:00 -
[75]
The is only one certain fact about EVE and CCP. If players start doing things to other players that cause a mass reduction in accounts, CCP will not only fix the issue, but they will ban the person causing the loss to their real world income.
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Angel HUN
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.12 20:13:00 -
[76]
Maybe you should quit.
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Winterjack
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Posted - 2010.01.13 09:11:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Jim Ned
The is only one certain fact about EVE and CCP. If players start doing things to other players that cause a mass reduction in accounts, CCP will not only fix the issue, but they will ban the person causing the loss to their real world income.
True.
But I wouldn't wait for the Banhammer to strike hulkageddoners, cause there WON'T be a mass reduction in accounts. Get over it.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.01.13 10:53:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Winterjack
Originally by: Jim Ned
The is only one certain fact about EVE and CCP. If players start doing things to other players that cause a mass reduction in accounts, CCP will not only fix the issue, but they will ban the person causing the loss to their real world income.
True.
But I wouldn't wait for the Banhammer to strike hulkageddoners, cause there WON'T be a mass reduction in accounts. Get over it.
True.
There wonŠt be a MASS reduction. But do you think it will attract ccp if 25 to 50 ppl emorage-quit because of this furious event?
I do think so, and as ccp wonŠt wait till helicity is bored again to organize hulkageddond III, im sure some action ccp-side will follow.
To my side of view, hopefully this event killed a lot of macroers and afkers, and what i read from the killboards most of those ppl should learn how to fit a hulk instead of whining on multiple threads. One, who fits his hulk with 3 CIVILIAN SHIELDBOOSTERS, deserves to die! I even saw fittings with empty mid slots - ridiculous.
Anyway, iŠm sure helicity wonŠt be ccpŠs best friend after that show.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2010.01.13 12:51:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Jint Hikaru on 13/01/2010 12:51:28
Quote:
Anyway, iŠm sure helicity wonŠt be ccpŠs best friend after that show.
IMHO, CCP want player driven things like HAG. The game is about conflict between players... thats what CCP wants.
What do you think would attract more people to the game....>
1. You can AFK mine in complete safety.
2. You can participate in player driven events that cause controversy and splosions across the whole of the Eve galaxy.
I am a self confessed carebear and I know which I would choose.
If you are the sort of person who is going to emoragequit (Waaaaaa MUM THEY BLEW UP MY SHIP I NEED A HUG>... WAAAAAAAA) because someone ganked your Huik, then, all joking aside, you are really playing the wrong game!
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"I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!"
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Sir Asterix
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Posted - 2010.01.13 13:03:00 -
[80]
To the OP I'll let you into a little secret, something I've known almost right from the moment I started playing this game... HI SEC IS NOT SAFE Their you have it, now go away and think on that then re-read your post and you'll realise what an idiot you are. If you want to be safe I suggest you dock up and never undock again becasue thats the only safty you'll find in this game! |
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neropatti
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Posted - 2010.01.13 15:06:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
Originally by: Riethe
This is completely ridiculous.
Mining is something that often takes place in high security space, which is meant to safe. If I choose to mine in a safe place, that's exactly what it should be--safe.
CCP has given plenty of room for PVPers to roam in less secure places to get their fix for PVP. I leave these people alone, and they should leave me and my friends alone, too.
If CCP wanted PVP in safe space, there would be no CONCORD. As far as I am concerned, this is harassment, and CCP will put an end to it.
Unbelievable.
FINALLY, some voices of reason. This is very true and the fact that evildoers can come and shoot us up in safe security space and we lose everything and they get insurance is criminal. This needs fixed now. We cannot as gaming community condone this level of evil and antisocial behavior against other human beings.
Hulkageddon is a step in de-evolution.
Yes that is part of the job of beein pirate :)
does real criminals give a rats ass bout police, ofc not they still do their dirty work just like pirates in eve do it.
I lost a ship due to hulkageddon but at this point of the game all i can do is to quote one criminal from tv series
"All in the game yo, all in the game."
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Winterjack
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Posted - 2010.01.13 15:38:00 -
[82]
Originally by: My Postman
There wonŠt be a MASS reduction. But do you think it will attract ccp if 25 to 50 ppl emorage-quit because of this furious event?
Well, to be honest, every time some players don't like something, there's a cry that "it will kill the game". I heard it oh-so-many times and it has never been true, so far, in my experience.
People that fly in hulks have dedicated a lot of skills and at least a month or so of training to it (I should be calc'ing the minimum amount of time to it, but can't be bothered now :p). I don't think they'll be going out of the game for that only.
But, for the argument sake, let's assume that 50 people leave the game. The alternative is banning everyone who participated in hulkageddon as a statement, which will drop more than 50 accounts, and seriously deplete the pirate population, I think: this means more loss for CCP.
Still, I don't think HAG2 had that much of an influence: I think most miners will just wait a couple days then buy another hulk and go back to mining. I believe most pirates will do what they've done so far and keep their ganking to losec and nullsec for the most part, using tactics like canflipping and harassment to lure not-so-smart people into attacking THEM.
Something will probably be done on CCPs side, like reducing or removing insurance for concordokken victims, which I'd find perfectly fine. I don't think it will go so far as to banning a large population: and I certainly would not like that to happen - even if I'm on the "receiving" side of HAG, being a miner. Makes sense?
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To my side of view, hopefully this event killed a lot of macroers and afkers, and what i read from the killboards most of those ppl should learn how to fit a hulk instead of whining on multiple threads. One, who fits his hulk with 3 CIVILIAN SHIELDBOOSTERS, deserves to die! I even saw fittings with empty mid slots - ridiculous.
Well, dunno about the hulk but I've fielded ships with empty slots (couldn't fit more cuz of the cpu/grid limits). I've been told 2 civilian boosters are great against hi-sec rats since they can go on forever and they give enough boost.
Of course, if I had planned to mine into a HAG week, I'd have fitted my hulk with as few modules as possible, using buffer (extenders and hardeners) as a tank and pre-aligning. I don't have to fight back or anything, just be alive when I warp out. No tank will allow me to SURVIVE a gank, if it's determined. Even if I had a pvp fitted ship, the suicide gankers have too many advantages: numbers, surprise (if they catch me), dps. They know they'll be killed so they don't need tank, which means ships fitted for dps.
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Anyway, iŠm sure helicity wonŠt be ccpŠs best friend after that show.
Well, CCP wants the players to enjoy eve. Even the miner community is divided about HAG: I for one think is a nice event. The amount of whining that has happened on the forums far surpasses the number of reasonable posts (like yours) that discuss an argument, which means the community will probably be more sympathetic with the pirates than with the miners.
And even at best I don't think miners are even half the eve population.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.13 16:11:00 -
[83]
Pshaw. I'm everybody's friend.
I make EVE not-boring at least.
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.01.13 16:43:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Pshaw. I'm everybody's friend.
I make EVE not-boring at least.
Confirming that Helicity is the Tyler Durden of EvE
PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!! |
ZeroFury
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Posted - 2010.01.14 03:39:00 -
[85]
Ohhh what a wonderful little topic... Can't resist a little trolling 
To the whinging little carebear miner: May I pwetty pwease put one of my loveable Torps in your Hulk?
Advise - Find a high-sec system with an empty Local (there are still lots) and do your Mining thingy there whilst keeping an eye on local. Align to your Station and decrease speed to 0 m/s. Ready to Warp when a Red pops in local. E-Z
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.01.14 05:10:00 -
[86]
Slater and Gordon Lawyers: Hello, how can we help?
OP: Someone blew up my internet based spaceship, I want to sue them.
Slater and Gordon: Ha, Ha, click......beep.....beep
Clayton Utz, Solicitors and Attorneys: Hello, how can we help?
OP: Someone blew up my internet based spaceship, I want to sue them.
Clayton Utz: Ha, Ha, click......beep.....beep
........goes on for several more calls.....
Hick and Hick Attorneys in a smalltown with no legal work: Hello, how can we help?
OP: Someone blew up my internet based spaceship, I want to sue them.
Hick and Hick: Ha, Ha, click......beep.....beep
Local Mental Hospital: Hello, how can we help?
OP: Someone blew up my internet based spaceship, I want to sue them.
Local Hospital: Don't move, we'll be right over to get you!
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Mr w33dS
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Posted - 2010.01.14 06:16:00 -
[87]
OK...miners this is a nice video for you i hope you like it : )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNm5Hqow78I
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Kriiel
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Posted - 2010.01.14 06:51:00 -
[88]
I do honestly feel bad for the OP and I think that people who have recommended that they try Everquest or WoW should be ashamed of themselves. Those games also have lots of rude jerks and tons of pointy things on which a person can get hurt or sometimes even killed.
Instead, I'd like to recommend Second Life... it's waaaay safer than either of those, and nobody can kill you, ever. Occasionally someone might say something rude to you, which sometimes makes us feel bad, but then we make each other pretty dresses and tell happy stories to one another, and feel all better.
(It's actually a lot more fun than it sounds.) Try it!
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2010.01.14 08:09:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Baka Lakadaka
Slater and Gordon Lawyers: Hello, how can we help?
OP: Someone blew up my internet based spaceship, I want to sue them.
Slater and Gordon: Ha, Ha, click......beep.....beep
Clayton Utz, Solicitors and Attorneys: Hello, how can we help?
OP: Someone blew up my internet based spaceship, I want to sue them.
Clayton Utz: Ha, Ha, click......beep.....beep
........goes on for several more calls.....
Hick and Hick Attorneys in a smalltown with no legal work: Hello, how can we help?
OP: Someone blew up my internet based spaceship, I want to sue them.
Hick and Hick: Ha, Ha, click......beep.....beep
Local Mental Hospital: Hello, how can we help?
OP: Someone blew up my internet based spaceship, I want to sue them.
Local Hospital: Don't move, we'll be right over to get you!
Laugh all you can but there are nutjobs that would take the case. And I bet is that they have caused the real life financial dmg as even an internet ship has $$ value.
Not that I agree with the op its just being silly but IF someone got money from Mcdonald's because they spilled coffe on their lap and was too hot ....
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Winterjack
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Posted - 2010.01.14 09:41:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Dors Venabily
Not that I agree with the op its just being silly but IF someone got money from Mcdonald's because they spilled coffe on their lap and was too hot ....
Or for putting a live cat in the microwave oven...
There will always be someone trying it. In Italy tho, you can sue only for "direct and quantifiable damage", so this could not be done here.
Nice quote, your name. Loved that character.
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Mistress Servelan
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Posted - 2010.01.14 12:04:00 -
[91]
lol ffs
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.01.14 12:31:00 -
[92]
Well, dear community replying to the answers of my post.
@ Jint Hikaru
I donŠt really have a joyce. Because of the very long training time to be able to use the hulk (and fit it properly) my pvp ablilities are meh. And for second itŠs not my joyce to pop defenseless ships.
And for sure i wonŠt emorage-quit (because iŠm not raged) and after this week itŠs business as usual.
@ Winterjack
Of course i didŠnt mean that ccp should swing the banhammer to those gankers. They did nothing against existing game mechanics and it would be a shame.
Who knows if anyone or 50 will emorage-quit? CCP will know, and if it infects their income they will do something to make such events impossible in the future. Anyway we wonŠt be told how many quitted, all we will see if ccp is changing something for the future. This will mean that this event did something to the playerbase.
A hulk with empty midslots can easily tank belt rats, as i never had to turn on one of my hardeners or the DC II. It might be a bit of paranoia, but i fitted this thing because i donŠt want to warp out when a single dessy shows up, maybe ratting himself, who knows.
And i perfectly know that my hulk will die when two alpha tempests come into play, maybe one will be enough, no tank ever will save me than. And thatŠs ok so far, buying another one and move on, without whining on the forums, how a**hats destroy my fun playing eve. This is eve.
But fitting civilian shieldboosters to a 180m (or maybe more by now) ship is just dumb. I might assume this must be a macro, thinking that a human beeing is not that idiotic, but i may be wrong on this. And if this is a ship with someone at the keybord, he (she) seserves to die and doing the maths afterwards, where smart people do them before.
DonŠt even have much sympathy for those afkers, all lows full with cargo expanders or MLU, all cargo rigged, to stay in the belt for 10 min more.
@ Helicity
I know everybody loves you, and even i feel sympathy for your nuts to do such an event.
Btw on the common epeen-o-meter you nearly reached chribs. Nearly, but leaving Joe Phoenix clear behind you!
@ Funzzer
Who the heck is Tyler Durden. IŠm austrian do i have to know this bloke?
Wall of text.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2010.01.14 13:07:00 -
[93]
Tyler Durden - is a character in the excelent book and film 'Fight Club' (if you havent seen it, I suggest you do) (I cant comment on the book as I haven't read it yet)
As for people quiting.... Despite what people post on the forums, I very much doubt anyone is going to quit the game due to HAG. I know people love to scream and shout on the forums, but seriously, leaving Eve because you had a ship blown up....
'This is going to get people to quit' is the usuall mantra people spout out to try and get CCP to side with their side of an argument.
All mouth and no trousers!
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"I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!"
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Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2010.01.14 13:46:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Skippermonkey on 14/01/2010 13:52:43
Originally by: Ghost Rider86
I am waiting for the day that you will be able to throw a Titan on a station. You?
Read the Empyrean Age, it happens... (thought it might have been a mothership, i cant remember)
Edit : Federation Nyx slams into Ishukone Headquarters killing its CEO, starts a war between Caldari and Gallente
hope i spoilt it some some of you
2nd edit : So this is the new Mothership/Carrier update then? Kamizaze POS destroyers? lol
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.01.14 14:10:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Jint Hikaru
Tyler Durden - is a character in the excelent book and film 'Fight Club' (if you havent seen
Tyler Durden is also the author of the popular financial blog Zero Hedge.
PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!! |
Lexxa Graf
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Posted - 2010.01.15 04:29:00 -
[96]
Wow, if a game is causing you stress or affecting your health, family, etc you should seriously consider going downtown and shopping for something called a "life".
And just how are people "helpless targets"? It's your own fault if you are a "helpless target".
Is Hulkageddon dumb and a pain in the butt? Yes. But seriously, get over it, fight back, or stop mining.
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Sith LordX
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Posted - 2010.01.15 07:00:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Sith LordX on 15/01/2010 07:05:26
Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
I have been extremely disturbed by all the posts about griefers and lowlifes set to blow up miners ships and cause financial havoc on the industrial community. Does this violate the EULA? How can this kind of action be tolerated when it causes so much financial and emotional stress on the helpless targets?
I am seriously considering if perhaps a class action lawsuit may be in order to keep gameplay fair and balanced as well as prevent real life consequences such as stress and depression from affecting pilots who may be targetted in this unlawful act.
Now is the time for industrialists to stand up and be heard and not be second class citizens.
You have to learn that highsec is high security, its not WOW nobody can touch me security. You may lose your ship but so does the ganker. Suicide ganks are part of the game. Live with it or quit the game if you can't take losing your make-believe ship.
If your having stress from a game, you might want to see a doctor about that. Could be a serious health issue. Or its that you take games too seriously. Don't play so much if its giving you such a emotional reaction over a fantasy world in space.
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Taketo Kalindika
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.15 07:26:00 -
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LOL, if you feel so sad, buy 2nd acc. build it up to a BadAssKiller and go mine the zerospace, if you see someone tryin to suic. on you -> destroy it. What's the prob?? :D
I'm stuck in the 0.5 space and mining over there all the time I'm logged on :D
If you think that suic. is unfair, I say Yes it is! but what will you do? whinin around the forums? hah go buy a bazuka and smoke those asses. Or whine again ;)
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Meglanoch
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Posted - 2010.01.15 16:29:00 -
[99]
I am in agreement with this post...... it is utterly ridiculous that new players cannot get ahead in this game because of the older players/-vets!!!
Yes EVE is a difficult game but let it be difficult for those who can manage themselves better. My (young) mining corp. was recently wardec by an alliance claiming we were in their mining territory... this was in like .9 sec. 0_o I mean WTF people. Their should be a balance between this. A GM posted to me in a petition that (this is the spirit of EVE) lol huh?, not being able to do something simple as mining in high sec wow that's some spirit...I guess the spirit of EVE is to F' over anyone they choose. I propose an actual high security sector where no one can get flipped or at least make the cans no-flippable. . What is the point in having cans ...The same GM told me to use secure containers...... apparently he has never used one they are a pain in the bum!!!! my retriever holds more than on e of those and to top it all off... they have to be 5km away from anything.. more control over the game is needed instead of letting the vets make the rules!!!!!!!!!!
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Meglanoch
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Posted - 2010.01.15 16:37:00 -
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And stick this in your muddboots!!! some peeps cant afford alt accounts... and for that matter why should someone have buy another account just to even the odds. Listen to yourselves. and last but not least the same GM told yet another piece of useless info... they gave a tag to peeps who flipped your cans so you could get revenge 0.o .....Revenge with what A STRIP MINER!!!! you would think that with all the in-depth science in this game they would have been a little smarter than that. But common sense is not common. and I'm starting to see where the game becomes a gimmic... EXample = Oh you cannot fight the pirates off because your a miner.. hmm.. I see well ok problem solved give us more money and make a PvP account..... is that legal??
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Akita T
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Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.15 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Meglanoch
I guess the spirit of EVE is to F' over anyone they choose.
Yup, you're starting to get it.
The ability to screw somebody else over in highsec is limited (either easily avoidable or otherwise expensive), but it's still there nevertheless.
AND WE LIKE THAT.
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Meglanoch
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Posted - 2010.01.15 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jint Hikaru
Tyler Durden - is a character in the excelent book and film 'Fight Club' (if you havent seen it, I suggest you do) (I cant comment on the book as I haven't read it yet)
As for people quiting.... Despite what people post on the forums, I very much doubt anyone is going to quit the game due to HAG. I know people love to scream and shout on the forums, but seriously, leaving Eve because you had a ship blown up....
'This is going to get people to quit' is the usuall mantra people spout out to try and get CCP to side with their side of an argument.
a friend of mine recently canceled his account because of this very situation. His remark was and i quote ( i am to young for this game) so yeah if CCP is happy with their 250k players then it will continue but if they ever want to grow bigger then they are going to do something about it
yes not that it matters in my case but .. a friend of mine quit because he plainly stated ( im to young for this game) thats what we're talking about. it's almost pointless to start the game and think you will get somewhere and if something is'nt done about it, then YES you can expect more people to cancel.
All mouth and no trousers!
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Pilots From Honour
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.01.15 19:39:00 -
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I pop in to S&I and I find this thread...
Pure win!!
Yes, sue the bast@rds!!
That'll teach em... OP must be American, and if you aren't, I can see our way of life is pervading the world.
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Originally by: Swalesey
Ok that makes moe sense. op wans corp where he can whack himself in the balls whilst swinging his tackle to some funkeh music. It's so obvious now you say it out loud
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Emporer Norton
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Posted - 2010.01.15 23:30:00 -
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LOL It takes a group of about 8-10 people to kill a hulk in highsec 7-9 in destroyers 1 to come after to loot/salvage the wrecks we used to have a corp all alts that would go out and look for macrominers to kill. It is within game mechanics as long as you get killed by concord for attacking in highsec it is perfectly legal. If I wanted could even pod you and make you lose all your implants yes I'd take a huge security hit but if wanted to could do it. Properly fitted and paying attention you should never lose a hulk. I am unfamiliar with how this group of people were attacking but when my corp used to do it we never warp scramed so if you weren't afk or macromining could warp out. Hell there are even alerts now so you have no excuse!!!!!
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Posted - 2010.01.16 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dors Venabily
Laugh all you can but there are nutjobs that would take the case. And I bet is that they have caused the real life financial dmg as even an internet ship has $$ value.
Yeah, but at 250M ISK per PLEX, the ISK-to-$ conversion ratio is like 16.67 Million ISK to the US Dollar. That really sort of kicks any attempt at a lawsuit in the teeth. You can literally be made whole (ship and modules replaced) for $20. Even a Carrier is going to cost like $50 under these conversion rates. Because there's a legal and acceptable way to convert from ISK to dollars and dollars to ISK, it's hard to make the case for that the actual damages are any other value.
Even if you win a judgement for 10x damages, you're still not making enough to pay a lawyer to write up the complaint.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.01.16 09:01:00 -
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I can't believe this thread is still going, but I'll bite and perpetuate it.
Any lawsuit would require 2 things:
1) a lawyer to take it on and
2) a jurisdiction to take it on.
Even if you could achieve #1, #2 would be near impossible. The company that runs the game has a fairly clear EULA agreement which precludes such law suits, so suing CCP won't be easy, especially in Iceland as it's one of their better industries. The Icelandic courts will tell you where to get off.
Then finding other players - hmm what jusrisdiction do you use when the servers are in the UK, owned by an Icelandic company and the players are dispersed around the world. Where did these events take place?
Good luck!
I hope the OP was joking, nobody could be that stupid could they.
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Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.16 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Baka Lakadaka
I hope the OP was joking, nobody could be that stupid could they.
I learned to never, EVER underestimate the potential depth of stupidity that random people on the internet might have.
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Posted - 2010.01.16 23:33:00 -
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I saw these faqs come in too my area, and when they did, i just fitted properly, 20K hp hulk...haha, i made fun of these asshats as they repeatly died trying to gank me. I kept telling them in local i guess getting bent over by concord is a goal of yours? i did not lose one hulk in 4 gank attemps to them, Learn to fit your hulk to defend agianst these losers or war thier corps eve isnt a carebear game where whining gets you what you want... well most of the time 99% id say
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Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.01.17 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: ddr800
Edited by: ddr800 on 16/01/2010 23:39:51
I saw these faqs come in too my area, and when they did, i just fitted properly, 20K hp hulk...haha, i made fun of these asshats as they repeatly died trying to gank me. 4 destroyers attempt #1 7 destroyers Attempt #2 Hay jerks come back in battleships or go home you epic fail. I did not lose one hulk in all thier gank attempts, Learn to fit your hulk to defend against these losers or war their corps eve isnÆt a care bear game where whining gets you what you want... well most of the time 99% id say I guess eve life sucks when you dont have 48m SP ...
Projection is the unconscious act of denial of a person's own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, the government, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have the same feelings or motives, rather than what they really think.
The first step to healing is admitting that you lost the Hulk.
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Posted - 2010.01.17 04:42:00 -
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Well there is nothing wrong with a little bit of pvp action, even in high sec.
I mean the very first time that someone killed a freighter in high sec was pretty hilarious. I remember that video on youtube from way back when.
I do have to agree with Obvious Troll here somewhat. Essentially a miner in a hulk risks more (even not during hulkageddon) than a pvp player who is fit out to die and then can rebuy his ships with insurance. We can talk about eve being harsh and cold and evil, and i 100% agree, but it should also be realistic. There is no risk in blowing up miners in high sec with insured smart bomb ravens. So talking about miners complaining like its their fault .... i'm not sure i buy that.
So while we can never say "no don't do it", certainly some looking at the insurance system is in order. Either scaling back perfect insurance, or simply discounting or denying insurance for concord incidents. People can still high sec gank if they choose to so, but , they should take a risk when they do, instead of being able to hit the reset button every time weather they fail or not.
Someone shouldn't be able to camp in jita for 6 hours and shoot every hauler that comes through a gate and get rewarded for it. They should instead be required to camp in Jita for a long time, scan out good targets, shadow them, crush them, and then run off with the booty, and hopefully they made a profit. Id even propose a comprimise here, and let concord not-insta pop them, if the parties involved can find a smart non-farmable way to evade concord after they looted someone. Like a mugger in new york hitting pay dirt because he snuck into the richest part and beat a buisness man with a wrench w/out getting caught. But insurance hi-sec farming isn't cool. Its allowed, but its just really really lame. Like grandma with an ipod rocking out to yodeling and barbershop lame.
Not opposed to anyone doing anything in eve. I am opposed to un-fun game mechanics however. And generally speaking this whole wave of unoriginal hi-sec ganking is starting to get a bit boring. it was cute the first time. It was clever when privateers did it. Now its just lame. I never been high sec ganked, and probably never will, but it just strikes me as a lame profession.
I could hang out with a 0.0 Pvper, or a industrialist, or a marketer in a bar. I met a carebear killer in a bar once, and he was one of the gayest people i ever met. Scammers are probably just as bad. I wouldn't want to be seen with those kind of people in public. And every person i ever shared a vent server with who admitted to scamming people was usually the biggest toolbox in the room. Not hate, just facts. So before you cut everyone down you mighty forum warriors, take a nice hard look in the mirror.
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Posted - 2010.01.17 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
i cannot do anything to stop this but something has to be done and the community needs to join together or the sociopaths and greifers will have ruined us.
You can always do what the Smart Mining Corps are Doing
Putting a Stop to Mining while it goes on, and Selling Ships to the Griefers, Helps put your Competition Out of Business, and Pads out your own Pockets.
if you Failed to think of this then you make me even more Sad.
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Gangrel Mining and Security
High Treason Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.17 18:46:00 -
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*Piniongear hauls on his Nomex suit*
While the prospect of a class action suit over this type of gameplay is truly absurd, the reduction of suicide ganking is a noble goal. It is hi-sec after all, and it should be so for the most part. However, it should not be 100% safe but griefing should be reduced.
Perhaps an escalating Concord fine for the player. First gank free, second one is a million, next is one is two million, third is four million, fourth is eight, etc. If the player belongs to a corp, the corp must pay the fines, either in addition or instead of the player. All players within the player corp contribute to the overall "Gank" index. So if your corp ganks continually in high-sec, it becomes a cost versus reward, and the costs escalate fast.
Something like this prevents un-ending ganking and creates a strategic element. Now instead of ganking for the hell of it, you must weigh the cost/benefit of the action. Right now, you just need to figure in the cost of the ship Concord kills, this adds another element, "Gank Cost". Now if you have a $200M fine if you gank that Itty V and it's loaded with Mexallon, you may pass it by. If it has $10B in Bpo's, party on.
If the fine exceeds the character's wallet or the corporate wallet in the case of a player corp, create some other consequence, such as repossession of ships, ammo, etc. If the character cannot pay, suspend the player for a certain time. What you are doing is creating consequences, just like life, if you can't pay your debt to society, you go into suspension or "Toon Jail"
Create a cool-down for these actions.You have to lay off the ganking for a certain period to begin ticking down on the "Gank Meter". In the case of a player corp, all members have to lay off for this period to start counting down.
Anyway, I've been ganked, but it's the game mechanics. I know what I'm getting into, and really I fly mostly in null-sec and thats part of life out there. It's lawless space. Hi-Sec is lawful space, and therefore should have a mechanic to penalize the pirates operating in lawful areas, more so than what there is. The more you offend, the more the consequences. I don't see how that upsets game mechanics.
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Posted - 2010.01.18 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Piniongear
Perhaps an escalating Concord fine for the player. First gank free, second one is a million, next is one is two million, third is four million, fourth is eight, etc. If the player belongs to a corp, the corp must pay the fines, either in addition or instead of the player. All players within the player corp contribute to the overall "Gank" index. So if your corp ganks continually in high-sec, it becomes a cost versus reward, and the costs escalate fast.
Esponentially. Which means at the 10th gank you're over a billion. At the 16th gank you're at 65 Billions. At the 24th gank you're at 4 TRILLIONS. 48th is 281,474,976,710,656,000,000 - get it?
This is not cost/reward. There's no possible gank that will net you 281 billions of billions.
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Something like this prevents un-ending ganking and creates a strategic element.
No. It just prevents ganking.
What I'd do is change the insurance mechanism. Do what RL companies do: first of all, concordokken ships won't be refunded. Second, institute a bonus/malus mechanism to insurance: your insurance cost goes up 10% for each ship you lost. If you go one full day without losing a ship, your insurance goes down 10%, till it goes back to the original price.
This will make suicide ganking a risk/reward thing, where you CAN be successful, but you need to plan your kills, not just run in and aggro whatever.
I agree on your objective, not on the way you pursue it. After all, creating an alt, giving it ships/money, and sending it to gank is easy. And it's been done a lot. This would basically run around the no-gank rule.
The way I proposed above hits the ganking action directly - each single one, so making an alt won't make much of a difference...
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Posted - 2010.01.18 11:46:00 -
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This is an incredibly long thread for character price check
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:37:00 -
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When ships are lost, indies make money from the demand of new ships;)
But hey not my fault you chose a game thats based on high risk with death rather than something guy like world of warcraft...peace
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Dr Karsun
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.17 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mining FriendlyBear
I have been mining for awhile now and find your insinuation that i am a 2/10 or whatever that means is offensive and reportable. this is a game yes but when it impacts peoples real lives and causes undue stress and anxiety it is time to look at the people who try to bring that to you.
maybe the best solution is like other successful games and make pvp only server and then server for those who are peace loving and wish to build relationships and fun.
shame on those who want to see others suffer.
A game should never cause real stress. It's a GAME. Even if you lose everything, like I once did, It's a GAME!
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Fat Uncle
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Posted - 2010.02.17 10:31:00 -
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Strong troll keeps on going
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Gunnanmon
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.02.17 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Bel'shamharoth
2/10.
2? Seriously, that much?!
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Namak Bulu
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.02.17 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Namak Bulu on 17/02/2010 12:06:03
Edited by: Namak Bulu on 17/02/2010 12:05:11
I'm still fairly new to WOW, i'm a miner (AKA: WTFCarebear... for now anyway)... Yea I HATE IT when I lose my barge (ain't in a hulk yet). I did get ganked during Hulkageddon mining 4 mil an hour in high sec. And to the OP and the rest of the carebear AFK & Macro Miners I ain't got but one thing to say...
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, TELL ME THIS IS NOT TURNING INTO WOW!!!
and you can even quote me.
PS: For those whom are slow, that means that I like the not so secure style of EVE. Esspecially if some dip**** ****es me off I can exact some revenge. So grow up and live with it or get out and leave my belts alone. Besides, this IS why my group is training up pilots as well as miners. So hard to find a good PVP game these days.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.02.17 13:43:00 -
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OP you are, without a doubt, one great troll and this thread deserves its place in the annals of trollhood. 20/10 For people not to get that this is nothing but pure epic win.
Originally by: Fat Uncle
Strong troll keeps on going
The troll is, indeed, strong in OP.
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odama jasonsson
Caldari
Asteroid Cowboys
Pest Control Union
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Posted - 2010.02.17 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: odama jasonsson on 17/02/2010 14:16:17
don't care sry. I make money off selling them lol
But rly they can blow up hulks as much as they want imo but in the end I'm seriously asking myself who is going to complain about high ammo prices due to inflated mineral prices......
But again I make good isk out of this....
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