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NiceNSofT	Posted - 2010.01.10 04:07:00 - [1] one solution to combat them is get them annoyed beyond belief what i do personally is as soon as they start moving towards a wreck i shot the wreck and continue to do the same till they leave. this leaves the rest of the wrecks for yourself. of course u losse out on a bit of the salvage but normally they leave after 4 wrecks out of pure aggravation. though is funny on angel extra when a new spawn comes and they all agro the salvager
Cyprus Black Caldari Cowboy Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.01.10 04:12:00 - [2] Originally by: NiceNSofT one solution to combat them is get them annoyed beyond belief what i do personally is as soon as they start moving towards a wreck i shot the wreck and continue to do the same till they leave. this leaves the rest of the wrecks for yourself. of course u losse out on a bit of the salvage but normally they leave after 4 wrecks out of pure aggravation. though is funny on angel extra when a new spawn comes and they all agro the salvager Here's a hint for mission running carebears. Ninja salvagers aren't annoyed by the mission runner blowing up the wrecks. When one is destroyed we move on to the next and the next until all are destroyed. Then we wait cloaked or bookmark the site and come back in ten minutes. We are not annoyed. We're going to take the salvage away one way or another. It's up to you whether or not you want to keep the loot. ___________________________________ "In the land of predators, the lion does not fear the jackal." -Dexter
Xen Gin Silurian Operations	Posted - 2010.01.10 04:14:00 - [3] are great! ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ##
Miakatas	Posted - 2010.01.10 04:14:00 - [4] Well that shouldn't work for most ninja salvagers. In fact most of the salvagers I know of laugh their butt off when the mission runner starts popping their own wrecks. Not to mention if the salvagers is properly fitted then he/shes running at 700m/s+ anyway and can sometimes grab wrecks before the runner can even lockon! In other cases ninja salvagers are their to extract tears not salvage :)
Fon Revedhort Monks of War DarkSide.	Posted - 2010.01.10 04:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Miakatas Well that shouldn't work for most ninja salvagers. In fact most of the salvagers I know of laugh their butt off when the mission runner starts popping their own wrecks. Not to mention if the salvagers is properly fitted then he/shes running at 700m/s+ anyway and can sometimes grab wrecks before the runner can even lockon! In other cases ninja salvagers are their to extract tears not salvage :) Pretty much this. ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.01.10 04:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Cyprus Black When one is destroyed we move on to the next and the next until all are destroyed. Then we wait cloaked or bookmark the site and come back in ten minutes. We are not annoyed. We're stupid. Fixed that for ya, since, what will you salvage if everything is destroyed? Also: aargghhh! Not another ""ninyia"" salvage thread.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.01.10 04:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Serpents smile Also: aargghhh! Not another ""ninyia"" salvage thread. This. tbqfh I tend to just ignore ninja salvagers, even if they actually loot the wrecks and go all flashy red. Frankly, they're not worth either my time or my effort. --Vel Brand new year, same old attitude.
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2010.01.10 04:45:00 - [8] 0/10 ~
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.01.10 04:49:00 - [9] ITT: Ninja salvager denial and tears. Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.01.10 09:25:00 - [10] Right click -> Abandon all wrecks -> No tears today for you --------
Kerfira	Posted - 2010.01.10 09:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Zeba ITT: Ninja salvager denial and tears. You don't really know the motivations of ninja's Think about it... Why would any skilled player spend his time ninja salvaging (for pitiful rewards) when he can earn 40m+/hour running L4's? There are only two answers (well, three, IF the player is stupid): 1. He does it to harvest tears 2. He does it to agro the player so he can blow him up In almost all cases, the tear harvesting is the primary objective. People blowing up their own wrecks is the BEST, since you then KNOW that they're crying inside I've ninja'ed quite a few times when bored of L4's, and the objective has always been the same: Raging players either sending me fan-mail or blowing their lid in local. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2010.01.10 11:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Kerfira Why would any skilled player spend his time ninja salvaging (for pitiful rewards) when he can earn 40m+/hour running L4's? You assume all "ninja salvagers" are skilled players. They could be relatively low-SP characters, and this simply earns them more isk/hr than Lv2 or Lv3 missions.
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2010.01.10 11:15:00 - [13] Edited by: Elena Laskova on 10/01/2010 11:16:05 You need a Maurauder to make 40 mill / hour from missions. And a lot of other stuff too. Someone who make that much is griefing, not salvaging. Lets get real instead: Someone who can just afford a salvaging destroyer can make much more ISK from ninja salvaging than from e.g. missioning. If they had 20 million SP and a maurauder they'd be doing missions instead. Shooting wrecks won't upset these players much. They can wait, or find another mission to salvage from. Some people do stuff just to annoy other players. They don't actually care of they get the stuff or if the mission runner shoots the wrecks. The goal is for the mission runner to become upset and to show it. In both cases, you "win" by staying calm, and by wasting more of their time than they waste of yours. Leave/Return as though you're trying to get the rats to attack the "ninja". This will encourage them to stay 10 or 15 minutes next time around. Then go elsewhere and do another mission. Rinse and repeat. You can drop in again for 1 minute in between rooms in your other mission, to encourage them to stay even longer.
Kerfira	Posted - 2010.01.10 11:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Seth Ruin Originally by: Kerfira Why would any skilled player spend his time ninja salvaging (for pitiful rewards) when he can earn 40m+/hour running L4's? You assume all "ninja salvagers" are skilled players. They could be relatively low-SP characters, and this simply earns them more isk/hr than Lv2 or Lv3 missions. I assume nothing.... This is from personal observation of the players who've entered 'my' mission space. Either they're 'old' players, or they're obvious alts made for that purpose (look at corp history and standings to determine this). I've convo'ed quite a few of them too, and most admit they're just trying to grief.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.01.10 12:16:00 - [15] I personally stay on the field until all the wrecks are destroyed or salvaged. As far as Im concerned destroying your own **** rather then let me have it is sweet gravy. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Magnus Nordir Caldari Nordir Industries	Posted - 2010.01.10 12:22:00 - [16] Originally by: Miakatas In other cases ninja salvagers are their to extract tears not salvage :) Confirming I just do it to annoy mission runners. I make plenty of money on the market, this is what I do when I feel like flying an internet spaceship as opposed to updating orders from a spreadsheet. Keep shooting your own wrecks, by all means. --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost
Nuctrai	Posted - 2010.01.10 12:27:00 - [17] What an amazing display of sad people who find "harvesting tears" fun. I bet you are a real fun person in real life. I would rather walk away from wrecks and for that fact anybody who sees "harvesting tears" as fun thing to do either in a game or life. Sad .................
Amerilia	Posted - 2010.01.10 12:28:00 - [18] Just fly a T3, most wont bother to scan the small sig down.
Laird Penguin	Posted - 2010.01.10 12:33:00 - [19] If you're getting ninja salvaged, grin and bear it and if it continues move systems. The tears comments are actually hiding mental insecurity, by the way.
Kerfira	Posted - 2010.01.10 12:43:00 - [20] Edited by: Kerfira on 10/01/2010 12:44:33 Originally by: Laird Penguin If you're getting ninja salvaged, grin and bear it and if it continues move systems. Actually, the best you can do is to convo the guy and in a nice way say that as you're not salvaging/looting anyway, he's welcome to do so. Real salvagers will thank you, and griefers will most likely leave. Originally by: Laird Penguin The tears comments are actually hiding mental insecurity, by the way. Actually, it is just a manifestation of the two different main types of EVE players. One group sees EVE as a competition against others, and in this case the biggest 'win' you can get is when you can see your opponent REALISE he's beaten, and that you've beaten him so thoroughly that you get an emotional response, thus the high value of tears, local-rage or fan-mail. The other group sees EVE as a single-player game with a chat-room. However, sadly for the second group, EVE is designed from the ground up as a competitive game, thus they endlessly cry on the forum as competition enters what they thought was their little single-player universe (needless to say, I see EVE as it is designed, implemented and intended; a competitve game) Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2010.01.10 12:58:00 - [21] Edited by: Elena Laskova on 10/01/2010 13:01:04 I don't want to disagree with any "anti-griefer" comments, but ... EvE allows activities which are not game-legal in other games, so it attracts and keeps players who enjoy interfering with other players activities. In EvE, every single niche for "fun-vampires" is filled to overflowing. There are always more of "them" than constructive players. CCP might close some of the silliest niches (supporting suicide gankers via insurance payouts for Concord kills for example), but there will still be a wide range of opportunities for parasites. In particular, "ninja salvaging" seems likely to stay game-legal forever. They will be there. The solution isn't to call them losers. They know that already, and/or they're in denial. The solution is to deny them what they want, and waste their time in the process. They don't want ISK, they want you to become annoyed. They want to waste a lot of your time in exchange for a little of theirs. So: Stay calm. Don't talk to them (why bother? they're bored, they're boring, they're not gamers). Figure out ways to efficiently waste their time. Figure out ways to have fun at their expense. Always have a fallback (another activity, another nearby mission started or ready to go, a jumpclone in a similar place many systems distant). @Kerfira: Winning and humuliating your oppoment aren't the same thing. Your conflating the two proves Laird Penguin's point.
Fille Balle Ballbreakers R us	Posted - 2010.01.10 13:19:00 - [22] You know what? I think the main isssue here is the (incorrect) naming of them. They should be ranamed to "Freelance space trash collectors". If you percieve them for what they really are, you'll realize something: they're actually doing you a favor by collecting your space trash. That's why I let them loot and salvage all they want. Problem is, when they realize I'm actually happy about them cleaning up my space trash, they get bored and leave So yeah, that sucks. But oh well, maybye we should implement a training program for them that's also designed to teach them some proper work ethics.
Paasio Hisokanen Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.10 13:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Fille Balle You know what? I think the main isssue here is the (incorrect) naming of them. They should be ranamed to "Freelance space trash collectors". If you percieve them for what they really are, you'll realize something: they're actually doing you a favor by collecting your space trash. This. I can't help but lol at the mission carebears who act as if the wrecks belonged to them. Even though the loot for some reason does. PS: Salvaging lower-level missions is funnier, because you'll often get noobs who think they get to shoot at you if you salvage the wrecks. I hardly ever bother salvaging L4s anymore, they're nothing but macros/people who can't be bothered to get annoyed. L2-3s, on the other hand, provide plenty of lulz and carebear tears, even if they take a little longer to scan out because the system isn't filled by over 9000 marauders.
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.01.10 14:20:00 - [24] don't be an excessive ******* when blowing up your wrecks, tho. You'll end up blowing the damsel can sometimes
Kerfira	Posted - 2010.01.10 15:12:00 - [25] Edited by: Kerfira on 10/01/2010 15:12:16 Originally by: Elena Laskova @Kerfira: Winning and humuliating your oppoment aren't the same thing. Your conflating the two proves Laird Penguin's point. It is if the game is to humiliate the other person.... Also, you only know you're winning if the other guy DOES get visibly upset. That's the only way you know whether the other guy has accepted the game round you're offering.... You are, just as the other guy, trying to make something bothering you deep down in your carebear soul (that EVE is not designed or even intended to as the game you want it to be) go away by retorting to pre-school grade namecalling (though with slightly fancier words) THAT is even more infantile than anything you accuse ninja's of... EVE IS a PvP game (though you and people like you hate that aspect). Just learn to live with it.... Accusing people of 'Mental Insecurity' because of their PvP actions in a PvP spaceship game is pretty pathetic anyway. It could be argued it hints at Mental Insecurity in the accuser(s). Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2010.01.10 15:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Serpents smile Originally by: Cyprus Black When one is destroyed we move on to the next and the next until all are destroyed. Then we wait cloaked or bookmark the site and come back in ten minutes. We are not annoyed. We're stupid. Fixed that for ya, since, what will you salvage if everything is destroyed? Also: aargghhh! Not another ""ninyia"" salvage thread. 1 spend two minutes probing out a mission runner (or two) using high-strength probes within a 1au radius; get 2+ warpable results GO TO 2 2 enter mission using the ninja salvage alt, zip around at 1km/s+, salvage and loot wrecks IF mission runner shoots wrecks GO TO 3 IF mission runner shoots salvaging ship GO TO 4 3 continue moving between wrecks, occasionally grabbing some loot/salvage before the owner can pop the wreck (works particularly well against missile users), make sure the entire mission gets cleaned up IF another probing result is available GO TO 2 IF you don't have any other results probed out GO TO 1 4 go fetch pew pew ship and have a friend come to finish cleaning up the wrecks Ninja salvagers always win, unless their pewpew ship gets popped. Mission runners never win, because either way, they're not getting their loot/salvage (or at least the latter). It's really not that hard a concept to understand. ---
Junko Togawa Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.10 15:57:00 - [27] The funniest part is when you run for a nice above-average quality L4 agent in hisec and never ever see a ninja, cos they're too lazy to waste their time in a backwater where there isn't 100+ in local 23/7 for them to scan down and try to annoy. Those are the best tears, the tears of the ninjas who know they are a flea harassing an elephant.
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2010.01.10 16:11:00 - [28] Edited by: Elena Laskova on 10/01/2010 16:10:55 Kerfira Most people don't get any pleasure from upsetting someone else. Such people can't understand why griefers find it entertaining to annoy other players and waste their time. You pretend that your behavior is normal and harmless. But you're trying to persuade yourself, not us /kek.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.10 16:15:00 - [29] Edited by: Tippia on 10/01/2010 16:15:17 Originally by: Elena Laskova Most people don't get any pleasure from upsetting someone else. Such people can't understand why griefers find it entertaining to annoy other players and waste their time. What do griefers have to do with it? Quote: You pretend that your behavior is normal and harmless. It's about as normal and harmless as shooting people in the face in [insert FPS of choice]. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Broken Spanner	Posted - 2010.01.10 16:19:00 - [30] Ninja Salvagers are Teh LEET. I prefer the chat option, to tell them that you are sweeping through the mission for standings and that they can have your wrecks. If they are genuine salvagers, they will thank you, if they are not, they will either A) go away bored or B) Try to grief you more by targetting your ship or ramming. The more of B) the bigger the Lols for me. It's good to know that while you are advancing in Eve, these "tear harvesters" are wasting their time.
Magnus Nordir Caldari Nordir Industries	Posted - 2010.01.10 17:00:00 - [31] Originally by: Elena Laskova Edited by: Elena Laskova on 10/01/2010 16:10:55 Kerfira Most people don't get any pleasure from upsetting someone else. Such people can't understand why griefers find it entertaining to annoy other players and waste their time. You pretend that your behavior is normal and harmless. But you're trying to persuade yourself, not us /kek. Just because most people don't do something doesn't mean that the people who do aren't normal. --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2010.01.10 17:38:00 - [32] Edited by: Elena Laskova on 10/01/2010 17:38:34 May I assume that turning the discussion into a "who, me?" defense is a harsh cricitism of those players who posted here claiming they "ninja-salvage" because it annoys mission runners, rather than for the ISK? Or are you claiming that playing solely to annoy other players is a good thing, and defending everyone who said that's why they "ninja-salvage"? Or, more likely, we've discovered that along with the negative play-style, the average griefer is a spineless coward /lol.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.10 17:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Elena Laskova Or are you claiming that playing solely to annoy other players is a good thing, and defending everyone who said that's why they "ninja-salvage"? Since the thing the affected get annoyed about is PvP, yes, it's a good thing seeing as how it's a PvP game and all and maybe they should learn to accept it rather than be annoyed by it. Quote: Or, more likely, we've discovered that along with the negative play-style, the average griefer is a spineless coward Again: what do griefers have to do with anything? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.01.10 17:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Zeba ITT: Ninja salvager denial and tears. You don't really know the motivations of ninja's Think about it... Why would any skilled player spend his time ninja salvaging (for pitiful rewards) when he can earn 40m+/hour running L4's? There are only two answers (well, three, IF the player is stupid): 1. He does it to harvest tears 2. He does it to agro the player so he can blow him up In almost all cases, the tear harvesting is the primary objective. People blowing up their own wrecks is the BEST, since you then KNOW that they're crying inside I've ninja'ed quite a few times when bored of L4's, and the objective has always been the same: Raging players either sending me fan-mail or blowing their lid in local. Even moar denial.. When I used to arse myself to run level 4 missions and a ninja salvager came into the mission I would always blow the cans up as they got to them. Now as I was using a nightmare to turbo run them and not careing a whit about the wrecks they would usually be spaced out pretty well as I could pop most spawns as they appeared. After a few times of running half the length of the room only to have me pop the wreck as they hit the salvager they would just warp out or throw some smacktalk in local. The golden moments were the ones who followed me through the whole mission smacking in local about how he was 'griefing' me by making me blow up all my wrecks and I was soooo stupid for wasting isk blahblahblah. Then at the end of the mission I would leave them with a comment along the lines of: "Well I just made another eleventy million isk. How much did you make?" then jump. So yes the salvager tears to be collected by blowing up the wrecks as they get to them was very nice along with all the forum tears and denial. Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
price checkinho	Posted - 2010.01.10 17:50:00 - [35] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Elena Laskova Or are you claiming that playing solely to annoy other players is a good thing, and defending everyone who said that's why they "ninja-salvage"? Since the thing the affected get annoyed about is PvP, yes, it's a good thing seeing as how it's a PvP game and all and maybe they should learn to accept it rather than be annoyed by it. Quote: Or, more likely, we've discovered that along with the negative play-style, the average griefer is a spineless coward Again: what do griefers have to do with anything? PvP and Ninja salvaging are 2 separate things.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.10 17:52:00 - [36] Originally by: price checkinho PvP and Ninja salvaging are 2 separate things. Not really, no. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2010.01.10 18:00:00 - [37] Heh - EvE forums are extra fun because the language is to bizarre. So lets see if I can follow the logic here ... highSec ninja salvaging - an activity which makes can-Flipping rookie miners look dangerous - is PvP, and therefore cannot be performed solely to annoy the "target" mission runner? Though I have to admit I'm occasionaly affected just a little by that other famous form of EvE PvP: decreasing the price of items in the market 0.01 ISK at a time. A fact you really need to take account of: a number of posters have proudly proclaimed that they "ninja-salvage" solely to be annoying. I look forward to the next round of creative (created?) arguments from the defense.
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.01.10 18:02:00 - [38] Panhandlers always leave my missions after I start popping wrecks. I have a salvage alt and salvage wile I kill so there's never more than 3 or 4 wrecks.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.10 18:09:00 - [39] Originally by: Elena Laskova So lets see if I can follow the logic here ... highSec ninja salvaging - an activity which makes can-Flipping rookie miners look dangerous - is PvP, and therefore cannot be performed solely to annoy the "target" mission runner? Of course it can. What gave you the idea that it couldn't? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
masternerdguy Gallente Etched Hull Innovative Enterprises Don't Feed the Bears	Posted - 2010.01.10 18:14:00 - [40] Im tired of all you noobs complaining about ninja salvagers. KILL THEM ITS NOT HARD! There are several ways to accomplish this task: 1: if they have corp, war dec the corp. 2: if they take form you, kill them. 3: you can go to lo sec no level 4 ninja salvagers there!
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.01.10 18:35:00 - [41] Originally by: masternerdguy KILL THEM Actually I did do that a few times to the ones who would follow me to the end of the mission. If the infocheck came up favorable and they were still flashy(I would let them loot a wreck or two just to keep the option open if they hadn't already looted the previous rooms) then as soon as the mission completed window popped up I would click the guns then click them. Nightmare tracking plus alpha means poor little salvager goes instapop and I salvage his wreck then amble back to the agent. With salvagers around 1 mil each its a nice little bonus reward to add to the missions rewards. Originally by: Akita T We don't hate people like you, we look at you with mostly pity and a hint of disgust balled up in a big wad of "notto disu shi'tto agen".
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.01.10 19:05:00 - [42] TLDR: More crap about this from both sides.
Sherringford Hovis	Posted - 2010.01.10 19:23:00 - [43] We need more threads about this.
Kerfira	Posted - 2010.01.10 19:40:00 - [44] Edited by: Kerfira on 10/01/2010 19:44:07 Originally by: Elena Laskova Kerfira Most people don't get any pleasure from upsetting someone else. Such people can't understand why griefers find it entertaining to annoy other players and waste their time. You pretend that your behavior is normal and harmless. But you're trying to persuade yourself, not us /kek. How on earth can it NOT be harmless???? This is an internet spaceship game, not real life! Seriously, get a grip on what is reality, and what is a game... You're actually on a slippery slope there.... I'm not trying to persuade myself of anything.... I'm playing an internet spaceship game where the goals are defined by ME! This game is about FUN for me, and annoying people like you who take the game far too seriously is definitely FUN! The people who DOES get upset should take a step back from their computer, turn it off, and re-enter the real world..... The day you get 'upset' over a game is the day you should quit it! Originally by: Zeba ... So yes the salvager tears to be collected by blowing up the wrecks as they get to them was very nice along with all the forum tears and denial. YARRRR!! Good for you! Then YOU won the game... I don't care either way actually. This is a game, but far too many people take it way too seriously! Those are the people it is fun to annoy... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.01.10 19:54:00 - [45] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 10/01/2010 19:44:07 Originally by: Elena Laskova Kerfira Most people don't get any pleasure from upsetting someone else. Such people can't understand why griefers find it entertaining to annoy other players and waste their time. You pretend that your behavior is normal and harmless. But you're trying to persuade yourself, not us /kek. How on earth can it NOT be harmless???? This is an internet spaceship game, not real life! Seriously, get a grip on what is reality, and what is a game... You're actually on a slippery slope there.... I'm not trying to persuade myself of anything.... I'm playing an internet spaceship game where the goals are defined by ME! This game is about FUN for me, and annoying people like you who take the game far too seriously is definitely FUN! The people who DOES get upset should take a step back from their computer, turn it off, and re-enter the real world..... The day you get 'upset' over a game is the day you should quit it! Originally by: Zeba ... So yes the salvager tears to be collected by blowing up the wrecks as they get to them was very nice along with all the forum tears and denial. YARRRR!! Good for you! Then YOU won the game... I don't care either way actually. This is a game, but far too many people take it way too seriously! Those are the people it is fun to annoy... Wow, just look at all that text emotion.
Cyprus Black Caldari Cowboy Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.01.10 20:14:00 - [46] In before someone quotes every single CCP employee who've stated on record that ninja salvaging is an intended game mechanic. ___________________________________ "In the land of predators, the lion does not fear the jackal." -Dexter
Enkilil Minmatar Carbon Moon Corporation	Posted - 2010.01.10 20:16:00 - [47] Oh don't be hating on the ninjas so much. Ghey people play Eve too! People really need to be more tolerant. Just remember, in Eve as in real life there are some real crap bags with no real skills that need to sponge of of those that have them. It's all good.
masternerdguy Gallente Etched Hull Innovative Enterprises Don't Feed the Bears	Posted - 2010.01.10 20:25:00 - [48] Originally by: Enkilil Oh don't be hating on the ninjas so much. Ghey people play Eve too! People really need to be more tolerant. Just remember, in Eve as in real life there are some real crap bags with no real skills that need to sponge of of those that have them. It's all good. there are also crapbags who pretend to sponge off others in order to kill them when the time comes and those are truly the most intelligent eve players. For example, one dude I met (who didnt kill me btw cuz im not mentally handicapped) showed up and looted my wreck on a coercer. I attacked him and he warped away to station. I warped there and hey hey almost killed him before he docked. Then he undocks in a Bhaalgorn and tries to kill me. I think he was most likely on his way to the station to get the BS so he could go back to my mission and kill me. Not that it mattered, it was doing crap DPS on me before I decided to dock (it seemed to be a near total neut setup or something)
CyberGh0st Minmatar Ara Veritas	Posted - 2010.01.10 20:26:00 - [49] Honestly, I would be happy when ninja salvagers take half of the salvage ( they are too slow to take everything, unless they come in groups ), because I tend to get bored of salvaging, but I still hate to leave the wrecks. Too bad there aren't many lowsec ninja salvagers, only seen one since salvaging was introduced. I bet it is because they can't fit gank if they have to fit for salvage :p http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Online ( Pre-Dust514 ? )
Magnus Nordir Caldari Nordir Industries	Posted - 2010.01.10 20:52:00 - [50] Originally by: Cyprus Black In before someone quotes every single CCP employee who've stated on record that ninja salvaging is an intended game mechanic. Again, it's not "ninja salvaging". Ninja <profession> implies taking something that doesn't belong to you before the owner can get to it. A more appropriate term would be "wreck disposal". --------------------------- Only those who surrender are lost
Kerfira	Posted - 2010.01.10 21:00:00 - [51] Originally by: Shawshanke Wow, just look at all that text emotion. As you can not see people face as they're 'talking' in a forum like this, emoticons, color and signs are a way to highlight certain parts of the text which would normally have been highlighted by a change in tone, or a facial expression. This is not to be mistaken for emotion, except perhaps a certain bemused laughter Emotion is more evident when people start raging (ps: you should be realising by now that threads like this is just another fun way of upsetting people who take the game too seriously) Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Mar Lee	Posted - 2010.01.10 21:02:00 - [52] Originally by: Cyprus Black In before someone quotes every single CCP employee who've stated on record that ninja salvaging is an intended game mechanic. Scamming and corp theft are also intended game mechanics. Just because EVE allows players to be douchebags doesn't mean that a player who engages in douchebaggery is not, in fact, a douchebag.
Kirana Si	Posted - 2010.01.10 21:10:00 - [53] Originally by: Kerfira Actually, it is just a manifestation of the two different main types of EVE players. One group sees EVE as a competition against others, and in this case the biggest 'win' you can get is when you can see your opponent REALISE he's beaten, and that you've beaten him so thoroughly that you get an emotional response, thus the high value of tears, local-rage or fan-mail. The other group sees EVE as a single-player game with a chat-room. However, sadly for the second group, EVE is designed from the ground up as a competitive game, thus they endlessly cry on the forum as competition enters what they thought was their little single-player universe (needless to say, I see EVE as it is designed, implemented and intended; a competitve game) This should be on top of the EVE "Manual" !

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