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Agaue
Caldari
Tin Foil
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.11 05:04:00 -
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 Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
Since some of yall may not be aware of the new sov mecahnics you guys do have to do those big ops 3-4 days in a row to take a system, not just one night.
I think everyone can agree the new sov mechaniocs are completely ******ed. having to dominate the defenders for 4 consecutive days in the defenders preferred timezone is ludicrously difficult. Not to mention that if forces are relatively even the defenders have the advantage of being able to attack their choice of SBU, each of which has significantly less hitpoints then ihub/station.
For any strong and well organised alliance it should be extremely easy to defend, especially when there is a timezone difference between the attacking/defending membership base.
This is not a shot at goons/friends (congrats on defending 49-), it is a shot at CCP for not thinking this system through before implementing it. It is better than POS wars, but it definitely favours the defenders too much imo.
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Agaue
Caldari
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IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.11 06:32:00 -
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I know I am going to regret trying to discuss anything with goons on CAOD, but here goes.
Originally by: Petar Quaresma
How would you know about sov mechanics? All the systems you claimed were basically handed to you without a fight.
This statement is wrong on two fronts, the first is sov mechanics is the process of placing SBU's, reinforcing ihubs/stations if present, and then killing TCU and finally placing your own TCU. If there are no hostiles there then a system can be taken without a fight, but you still get a good knowledge of sov mechanics. Not all the station systems IT have taken in fountain were sov neutral.
Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
Almost like you have to have superiority over the enemy to take their system. ****ing amazing concept.
if you define superiority as having more numbers than the defending alliance for more than 4 days consecutively, then your statement has merit. however due to the timezone differences this is extremely difficult. For example, I doubt there is one european based station holding alliance that goons could outnumber for more than 4 consecutive days. Though this doesnt mean that goons are less "superior" than all european based station holding alliances.
Originally by: Moon Kitten
Not thinking it through? You're the one not thinking. The alternative is station ping pong. CCP moved away from station ping pong for a reason. Station ping pong doesn't work very well with the treaties feature CCP plans to add. Ergo you're dumb.
I did not mention station ping pong, only you did, and if station ping pong is the only solution that you can think of then you shouldnt comment on sov. Just a few example off the top of my head could be;
1) introducing a stront type timer for stations/ihubs, so attacking alliances could "kite" the reinforce timers of stations/ihubs.
2) make the reinforcement timers on stations/ihubs more random (ie. +/- 8 hours of the defenders desired reinforcement time.
3) both of the above ideas combined.
4) move back to only 1 reinforement timer on stations/ihubs instead of 2.
5) have a single "sovereignty" POS.
The current sov system is better than station ping pong or POS spamming, but is too heavily tilted to the defenders advantage, and is leading to the massive battles we are seeing at the moment (which imo would be a good thing if the servers could handle them).
Now feel free to spam away.
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Agaue
Caldari
Tin Foil
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.11 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
So I guess what youre saying is when yall lost sov in delve it didnt really hurt the defense of it at all because the old system wasn't geared for defenders?
that isnt what I was saying at all. but mad props for trying.
/double facepalm
all I am saying now is that your reading comprehension sucks
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Agaue
Caldari
Tin Foil
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.11 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
Sorry that you couldn't comprehend I was only mocking you and your alliance.
I forgive you.
pro tip: Next time if you want to mock my alliance, actually use something that my alliance was involved in like "I heard it was easier to lose 100 dreads in syndicate under the old sov mechanics". As IT alliance has never held any space in delve.
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