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Zethro	Posted - 2010.01.12 00:14:00 - [1] To all you carebears out there who hate this hulkaggedon thing why dont you guys raise the price of the ore and mats if the ore goes up enough it will cost to much to to build there ships dont you get it think about if it cost 10 mill to buy a distoryer and it only pays out 1.5 mill do you think there would be all this ganking RAISE THE PRICE GUYS IF YOU WANT THEM TO STOP KILLING YOU RAISE THE PRICE
Divaere Frenian New Eden Redistribution Dhanab Syndicate	Posted - 2010.01.12 00:26:00 - [2] And this will work, because the only source of demand for ships is suicide gankers. Really, it is. When you've gotten past supply and demand in 9th grade econ, you let us know, m'kay? ******************************************** PINTO Mercenary Contractors - available for contracts now. Recruiting PvP pilots to fight for the glory of the State (not really, we're in it for the mo
Hugo Lordmagnus Caldari Vexillari	Posted - 2010.01.12 00:41:00 - [3] When did punctuation go out of style?
Mara Tessidar	Posted - 2010.01.12 00:43:00 - [4] Originally by: Hugo Lordmagnus When did punctuation go out of style? Sig.
Bacchanalian Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.01.12 00:45:00 - [5] Good idea. Raise the price of your minerals, be undercut by the much higher volume producers that reprocess mission loot, and price yourselves right out of the market. Before long you'll realize that you aren't making any money mining and find other pursuits in EVE. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
Zethro	Posted - 2010.01.12 00:47:00 - [6] dont you guys get it its not jsut teh gankers its everyone but the miner that will suffer the miner can make there own tech one ships and so they will amke a ton of isk doing this if you miners are sick of being picked one fight back this is how you do it
Mara Tessidar	Posted - 2010.01.12 01:36:00 - [7] Edited by: Mara Tessidar on 12/01/2010 01:36:48 Originally by: Zethro dont you guys get it its not jsut teh gankers its everyone but the miner that will suffer the miner can make there own tech one ships and so they will amke a ton of isk doing this if you miners are sick of being picked one fight back this is how you do it This is why I enjoy killing AFK miners. They're probably sitting on the forums, whining about how they get killed while AFK. Next up, Hulkageddon III: E-Prawnz. Edit: needed a hyphen.
The Crushah Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.01.12 01:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Zethro dont you guys get it its not jsut teh gankers its everyone but the miner that will suffer the miner can make there own tech one ships and so they will amke a ton of isk doing this if you miners are sick of being picked one fight back this is how you do it Go ahead Alice, lead by example. Lets see what happens.
mothyowns teeny tiny space pirates	Posted - 2010.01.12 01:59:00 - [9] I REALLY hope this is a troll, because the other explanation doesn't bear thinking about. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/
Herty The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention	Posted - 2010.01.12 03:26:00 - [10] Even if everyone did this it wouldn't work you wanna know why? Well all you need to do is some simple math. Now you want to make destroyers go from 1mill-10mill and that will make every ship 10 times its price (I believe this is true correct me if I'm wrong im not really sure how invention works) that would make hulks 10 times their price too. And with their current price being set at 250mill I really doubt that you want to spend 2.5bill on an uninsurable ship because it just makes it a better target for suicide gankers. But if you want to so that people need to buy a 10mill destroyer to kill it then go for it.
Zethro	Posted - 2010.01.12 04:02:00 - [11] yes you are wrong tech 2 ships take defernt mats to make so hulks and other tech 2 ships prices will not change
Awesome Possum Imperium Signal Corps	Posted - 2010.01.12 04:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Zethro How to stop hulkageddon Don't mine in an exhumer during hulkageddon? ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Herty The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention	Posted - 2010.01.12 04:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Zethro yes you are wrong tech 2 ships take defernt mats to make so hulks and other tech 2 ships prices will not change You still need mins to make them though
Cyprus Black Caldari Cowboy Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.01.12 04:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Zethro To all you carebears out there who hate this hulkaggedon thing why dont you guys raise the price of the ore and mats if the ore goes up enough it will cost to much to to build there ships dont you get it think about if it cost 10 mill to buy a distoryer and it only pays out 1.5 mill do you think there would be all this ganking RAISE THE PRICE GUYS IF YOU WANT THEM TO STOP KILLING YOU RAISE THE PRICE Destroyers for sale - $9,999,999.99 each. lol in all seriousness, you can't control the market any more than you can stop Hulkageddedn. ___________________________________ "In the land of predators, the lion does not fear the jackal." -Dexter
Grunanca Final Agony	Posted - 2010.01.12 05:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Zethro To all you carebears out there who hate this hulkaggedon thing why dont you guys raise the price of the ore and mats if the ore goes up enough it will cost to much to to build there ships dont you get it think about if it cost 10 mill to buy a distoryer and it only pays out 1.5 mill do you think there would be all this ganking RAISE THE PRICE GUYS IF YOU WANT THEM TO STOP KILLING YOU RAISE THE PRICE Even if missions runners didnt exist, what would keep me from repocessing loot from low sec piracy and build destroyers out of it? Its not like a destroyers need that many resources and I got an alt who is prob better at building than you will ever be! Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Voxen Tass	Posted - 2010.01.12 06:40:00 - [16] Reminds me of the emails to stop buying gas on a certain day to stick it to the man. :D
Seralder	Posted - 2010.01.12 07:00:00 - [17] Edited by: Seralder on 12/01/2010 07:00:31 how to stop hulkageddon? dont fly Hulks with 4-6k HP
Major Bottlenose	Posted - 2010.01.12 07:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Hugo Lordmagnus When did punctuation go out of style? 1991 - When Al Gore invented the internet. It allowed people to communicate from all educational backgrounds across the globe.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.01.12 07:07:00 - [19] Stop it? The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Haramir Haleths Caldari Nutella Bande	Posted - 2010.01.12 07:13:00 - [20] OK, doesnt work. Now close the thread please
Otebski	Posted - 2010.01.12 07:46:00 - [21] Getting a couple people to sit at exit points from low near amamake rancer old man star etc with sebo'ed tacklers would probably hamper hulkageddon. But then it would require targeting something else than asteroid which might prove impossible for carebears.
Cabara Netas Industrial Laser Mining	Posted - 2010.01.12 07:56:00 - [22] Edited by: Cabara Netas on 12/01/2010 07:56:28 Don't mine AFK?
Deliora May	Posted - 2010.01.12 12:28:00 - [23] Why would you mine in a ship that you can't afford to lose? If you want to be on the safer side, mine in a low sec / 0.0 sec area with an escort from your corp. That way you won't have to worry about a) concord and b) you can count everything that isn't marked blue as hostile and be prepared.
Millie Clode Amarr Standards and Practices	Posted - 2010.01.12 12:52:00 - [24] Someone should teach bears that getting clever with mineral buy orders is a more efficient way of procuring ship materials than sitting in a belt AFK in an uninsured, untanked ship ---------- Sig Page 1 Snipah YOU CANT MINE SO YOU KILL
Stealnutz Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.01.12 12:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Helicity Boson Stop it? The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. Confirming Vorlon quotes are the best quotes.
Hugo Lordmagnus Caldari Vexillari	Posted - 2010.01.12 17:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Major Bottlenose Originally by: Hugo Lordmagnus When did punctuation go out of style? 1991 - When Al Gore invented the internet. It allowed people to communicate from all educational backgrounds across the globe. So very true! As for stopping something like Hulkageddon--not gonna happen without a systemic change from CCP's end. Market fluctuations will be impacted to some extent, but trying to manipulate them, even en masse, will not stop something that is so far removed in any form of causality. I honestly believe HG has very little to do with the market and more to do with player creativity, determination, and cooperation on a very large scale. Also, I'm anti-pirate as a player and I despise suicide ganking for various reasons, but I can't help but stare in awe at the killboard as the numbers go up.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2010.01.12 17:24:00 - [27] Here's an idea. Since it's advertised in the forums for roughly a month, change it up for the week it lasts. Do something else, try missions, play another game, watch movies... just don't mine. If you have to mine, then get one of the t1 cruisers with mining bonus (not sure what they are) and use them. The point is, adapt. I'm not exactly an old timer in eve, but it has changed a lot since I started. I've adapted, others have adapted. Good bad or indifferent, the fact remains, Hulkageddon exists. Adapt, and keep in mind adapting may not mean tanking your mining barge. It may mean don't mine in a barge for the week of hulkageddon. Is that fair?? Sure, I disrupt the gameplay of many folks one week at a time (length of a war dec) over and over again. Just saying get rid of the idea that everything around you has to change to suit your style of play. Hulkageddon is here and probably here to stay, so for one week a year, YOU have to deal with it. I can assure you any changes brought on by CCP will be adapted to and overcome by the suicide gankers. All the politics, reasons, motivations are not relevent. Worry about yourself and what you have to change for one week. The strong will survive and the weak will perish. You just have to take your gameplay into your own hands. Good luck. Lost
Vinsurith Morteth Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.12 17:32:00 - [28] It is interesting how gankers can band together for such a huge event as HG but industry pilots can't band together to attempt to crash the market or inflate the rates. If EVE is as open ended as it's bragged about then both are possible. All it would take is for enough industry and market players to put their heads together and create "fake" expensive orders and place outrageous Buy Orders and some other things. It would take awhile though and those players would have to keep at it slowly but surely. It wouldn't have such an initial impact as HG does but over time it would pollute the market and possibly crash it temporarily. I don't want the market to collapse but if one can happen then so can the other.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2010.01.12 18:11:00 - [29] Edited by: Serendipity Lost on 12/01/2010 18:13:38 Then do it. BE the MAN, not the idea man. Crashing the markets will take a lot more work and dedication than it does to organize and execute hulkageddon. The point still remains, adapt and do something in the game, not on the forums. Stop asking for others to do something for you. Do it yourself. Organize a market thingy to make hulkageddon a mess. Buy all the smartbombs, give out free hulks, hide the ice/asteroid belts. STOP trying to get others to take care of you. Take care of yourslef. Don't ask/demand CCP fix (put stuff here). Take matters into your own hands. "But Serendipity, I don't have shooty shooty skills, I'm just a miner" You have a year till the next HG to fix that, you have a year to plan and crash the market, you have a year to .... DO IT. Don't come here and allow folks to poke fun at you. Hatch an evil secret plan and execute it. You won't win eve on the forums. Lost Edit - not directed at you personally Vin, directed at the multitudes of potential in the vast space of eve. On reread that may not have been clear.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.01.12 18:19:00 - [30] no u
Broken Spanner	Posted - 2010.01.12 18:22:00 - [31] Since when was Hulkageddon a yearly event? As soon as Hulk prices drop below the "accepted rate" whatever that is, expect Hulkageddon 3 within the year. The only thing that will end Hulkageddon is A) insurance changes, or B) Helicity decides to transfer all the loot and ISK to an anonymous account and disappear....
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.01.12 19:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Broken Spanner B) Helicity decides to transfer all the loot and ISK to an anonymous account and disappear.... That would suck wouldn't it? Good thing I'm such a reliable person really.
Trebor Whettam	Posted - 2010.01.12 19:36:00 - [33] "It is interesting how gankers can band together for such a huge event as HG but industry pilots can't band together to attempt to crash the market or inflate the rates." That assumes that all of the producers are against Hulkaggedon. That's a bad assumption.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2010.01.12 21:09:00 - [34] I think the point is, you can't stop it. You just need to deal with it. It has impacted me greatly, I'm spending waaaaay too much time at work reading all the HG stuff. It's good entertainment and also an excellent source for determining who in eve gets the game and who doesn't. A side note to the newer players. I bought my hulk for 660 mil isk. What?? you say. How can that be? I bought it pre invention. So just pause for a moment and realize how fortunate you are that hulks now cost so little. (and if you think this is a big forum deal, "invention is going to ruin eve" was pretty big too, and "warp to zero is going to ruin eve" also a huge deal. So here we are. HG exists. It's here because, <personal reason/belief/suspicion here>. It happens every <year/price point reached/helicity says so :P here>. It can't be stopped. Lost
Sho Me	Posted - 2010.01.13 03:35:00 - [35] Originally by: Trebor Whettam "It is interesting how gankers can band together for such a huge event as HG but industry pilots can't band together to attempt to crash the market or inflate the rates." That assumes that all of the producers are against Hulkaggedon. That's a bad assumption. Also, it's such a cheap buy-in to be a ganker. I'll not say that's bad, but at the very least CCP could acknowledge that there system of security is a piece of crap for hi-sec. If course, if it doesn't affect their pet corps the devs do crap anyhoo.
Vinsurith Morteth Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.13 20:19:00 - [36] Originally by: Serendipity Lost Edited by: Serendipity Lost on 12/01/2010 18:13:38 Then do it. BE the MAN, not the idea man. Crashing the markets will take a lot more work and dedication than it does to organize and execute hulkageddon. The point still remains, adapt and do something in the game, not on the forums. Stop asking for others to do something for you. Do it yourself. Organize a market thingy to make hulkageddon a mess. Buy all the smartbombs, give out free hulks, hide the ice/asteroid belts. STOP trying to get others to take care of you. Take care of yourslef. Don't ask/demand CCP fix (put stuff here). Take matters into your own hands. "But Serendipity, I don't have shooty shooty skills, I'm just a miner" You have a year till the next HG to fix that, you have a year to plan and crash the market, you have a year to .... DO IT. Don't come here and allow folks to poke fun at you. Hatch an evil secret plan and execute it. You won't win eve on the forums. Lost Edit - not directed at you personally Vin, directed at the multitudes of potential in the vast space of eve. On reread that may not have been clear. No worries. HG doesn't really affect me much. I'm no miner. I'd rather see the miners band together and do something instead of complain to CCP. I do feel CCP should probably change the insurance policy when it comes to suicides but that's their decision. If industrialists really want to fight back then they need to do the same thing the gankers are doing but on the market side. And you're right...it would take quite some time to "gank" the market but that's really their only other option besides to "just not mine".
Abraxis Kane	Posted - 2010.01.13 22:19:00 - [37] Ir you really want them to stop, get out of your hulk, put down your purse "no offence ladies" and get in something with guns and go looking for the guy who ganked you. Set a trap with a hulk or two in low sec and bait them in. Its not that big a stretch to turn the tables on those responsible for hulkageddon. And honestly I think many of them would get a kick out of a carebear who actually stepped away from his "space rocks" and picked up a weapon for a change. Dont wait for CCP to "fix" something that isnt broken. If you dont like the fight, change the way it goes down. The thing I enjoy the most about eve is the abulity to innovate and use teamwork to achieve things that the developers may have never intended. Hulkageddon is one example of this but I know that its just a scratch on the surface of the possibulities.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2010.01.13 23:06:00 - [38] There may be some cheaper ways to fight back in some cases. If there is a group of -10 ish guys operating in you system, say on a regular basis maybe during an advertised miner ganking event.... They are -10, so if in a ship, you don't have to kill them, just warp disrupt them until the authorities get there. How to do that? Fit a warp scrambler. Where to do it? Not in the belt as they blow you up. Get them at gates as they enter your system. Get them at the undocks of the stations in your system. More adavanced? You may have to drop some probes and find the 'safe spot' (my favorite eve misnomer) where they get into their gank ships. Tools required: 1)Frigate (faster locking is better) 2)Sensor booster (add the scan resolution script) 3)Warp disruptor Detailed Directions 1)Camp the gate of entry (set on the gate at 0 meters) or occupied station. 2)Turn on sensor booster (s) 3)Lock any flashy red evil doers that happen by 4)Click warp disruptor on 5)Enjoy magnificent graphics 6)Repeat as necessary There is little risk for you in this scenario and zero gankage for the evil doer. Pro tips: 1)To lock quickly, hold control button and left click on the flashy in the overview (works on NPC rats also) 2)Keeping you ship in motion minimizes the chance an evil gunship will harm you 3)Smartbombs can not be activated in the docking ring of stations (they can't hurt you) Lost

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