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NaveTheGreat
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Posted - 2010.01.17 14:02:00 -
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Honestly not to be a **** but ccp you have got to give us the kill rights when people steal salvage from us in missions.. it is no different then stealing loot and should be treated the same way thank you guys for hearing me i hope to see this implemented soon if possible.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.17 14:07:00 -
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No. On pretty much all accounts.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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NaveTheGreat
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Posted - 2010.01.17 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: NaveTheGreat on 17/01/2010 14:11:56
why not lol and your not ccp!! hehe i mean why would someone from IT alliance be supporting ninja salvaging? only the WORSE players do it.. and im sure that doesnt include yourself
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iioki
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Posted - 2010.01.17 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: iioki on 17/01/2010 14:14:58
CCP should stop ninja slavaging, but Ninja salvaging works just fine the way it is
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Ariswill
Caldari
Atrum Flamma
Shadow Rock Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.17 14:18:00 -
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i agree to be honest i think salvage should go to the person/corp that killed it but if they dont salvage it after 20 min or so it can be taken by all... something like that would work better then just letting people steal and ruin some fun of the game :/
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.17 14:20:00 -
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Why not? Because… Originally by: NaveTheGreat
ccp you have got to give us the kill rights
No they don't. Why would they have to?
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when people steal salvage from us in missions.
No. The salvage isn't yours, so they're not stealing it.
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it is no different then stealing loot and should be treated the same way
No, it's almost completely different. The loot is part of the mission rewards, that's why it's yours – the salvage is something extra that you have to earn
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i hope to see this implemented soon if possible.
Don't hold your breath. Because… per CCP Mitnal: Originally by: CCP Mitnal
"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."
Per GM Faolchu: Originally by: GM Faolchu
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Per Senior GM Ytterbium: Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Per CCP Prism X: Originally by: CCP Prism X
Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
Per CCP Incognito: Originally by: CCP Incognito
Had a chat with some designers this evening.
Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private.
They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Demolishar
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Posted - 2010.01.17 14:32:00 -
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I'd love to have another method of becoming red to people running missions!
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2010.01.17 14:49:00 -
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Ninja salvaging is easy to avoid. Just don't mission in a major mission hub.
Originally by: Doc Robertson
...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Julia Venatrix
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Posted - 2010.01.17 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Demolishar
I'd love to have another method of becoming red to people running missions!
Then nobody is complaining about you. Mission runners love you.
Really. No smiley.
Mission runners love loot thieves. (OK, that may not be entirely true. But the good ones do.) Most of us have a PvP fit or four sat in Motsu or Dodixie or wherever, and when you go flashy we think -YES! Off to get my inty! I may lose, but I'm going to have fun!- before we go back to grinding missions for ISK and minerals to build more HACs to get blown up in smallgang nullsec.
What we whine and snivel about are pathetic cowardly carebear ninja salvagers, who hide their scaredy-assed gutless carcasses behind the skirts of CONCORD like a first-grader peeking round from behind his momma, instead of grabbing the first loot mod they see and finding out whether someone with enough SP to fly a Pally has learned how to drive a Curse on the way.
We don't mind losing at PvP (and we don't always lose). We do mind getting neither the salvage from the wrecks we shot, nor any fun out of fighting someone for it instead.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.01.17 17:59:00 -
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Can't you just fly out and have the guy take the aggro? It's not like they come with titans to tank the damage...
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superteds
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Posted - 2010.01.17 18:03:00 -
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0/10
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Slaydo GAme
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Posted - 2010.01.17 19:10:00 -
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Hasn't there been like 20 tpoics on this already coming from whining people just like you who can't adapt to the game already? Its not going to happen, as somebody who was nice enough to post quotes from ccp; as you can tell, what you want isn't going to happen.
Option one: Move to a different mission spot that doesnt have as many people. (Also doing this at night helps as well).
Two: Shoot all your wrecks. You do know its simply better to pull as many missions then loot and salavage them. Even if you don't do 4s, I'd imagine the quicker you do missions and get the standings, the quicker you'll be doing 4s.
three: Stop for 30-40 minutes and go do something else (other then whining, cause every one here loves tears).
Four: when they blink red grab another ship and fight back.
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RenegadeChemist
Caldari
Poksu Exploration Group
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Posted - 2010.01.17 19:18:00 -
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I never loot (except faction/commander spawns) or salvage, but it's interesting that server code thinks that wreck belongs to someone (right click wreck and see), loot in wreck belongs to someone, but the salvage from wreck doesn't 
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.17 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: RenegadeChemist
I never loot (except faction/commander spawns) or salvage, but it's interesting that server code thinks that wreck belongs to someone (right click wreck and see), loot in wreck belongs to someone, but the salvage from wreck doesn't
Interesting, perhaps, but not particularly strange. After all, the salvage doesn't exist until it spawns in your cargo hold, and as soon as it is in your cargohold, it's flagged as yours.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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RenegadeChemist
Caldari
Poksu Exploration Group
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Posted - 2010.01.17 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: RenegadeChemist
I never loot (except faction/commander spawns) or salvage, but it's interesting that server code thinks that wreck belongs to someone (right click wreck and see), loot in wreck belongs to someone, but the salvage from wreck doesn't
Interesting, perhaps, but not particularly strange. After all, the salvage doesn't exist until it spawns in your cargo hold, and as soon as it is in your cargohold, it's flagged as yours.
Yes we all know that...
But it still comes from the same wreck... The wreck does exist... And the salvage by that does really exist in the wreck, it's just not 'picked' up yet. Yes, game doesn't see it that way.
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grazer gin
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Posted - 2010.01.17 20:32:00 -
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Yes give us killrights i want whatever you faction/plex/officer fit CNR has on it more than this PoS piece of salvage
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stravros vatta
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Posted - 2010.01.17 21:02:00 -
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salvage belongs to whoever salvages the wreak not the person who destroyed the ship that made the weak
also the only thing funner than seeing ninja victims cry in local is to see them cry on the forums
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Kaian Voskhod
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Posted - 2010.01.18 01:21:00 -
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1 Take X alts.
2 Run missions until you are in Recon 3/3
3 Be a sitting duck in your toxic cloud
4 LOLZ ninja frigs explosions
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Marguerite Antiki
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Posted - 2010.01.18 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: NaveTheGreat
Honestly not to be a **** but ccp you have got to give us the kill rights when people steal salvage from us in missions.. it is no different then stealing loot and should be treated the same way thank you guys for hearing me i hope to see this implemented soon if possible.
I salvage other peoples missions all the time, no one seems to notice and it seems to be a very small % of carebears that cry at me. That to me indicates its not a problem, all is working ok and as noted before, working as intended by the devs.
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Some Advisor
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Posted - 2010.01.18 02:04:00 -
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interesting how tipia did shut "nave" up... no more text from him HAHA :>
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Marguerite Antiki
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Posted - 2010.01.18 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Some Advisor
interesting how tipia did shut "nave" up... no more text from him HAHA :>
Maybe Nave is not so "Great" after all ? ?
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.01.18 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: NaveTheGreat
Honestly not to be a **** but ccp you have got to give us the kill rights when people steal salvage from us in missions.. it is no different then stealing loot and should be treated the same way thank you guys for hearing me i hope to see this implemented soon if possible.
ROFL, I love the optimistic way you comment "i hope to see this implemented soon" at the end. I must ask you, have you EVER read the forums before, even one time ?
Personally I hope you greedy little mission pigs get what you want so I can read some "ninjas killed my mission ship" whines instead for a change cuz this topic is older than jesus
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Kaian Voskhod
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Posted - 2010.01.18 09:48:00 -
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When i'm bored doing L4
I suicide gank probe frigs. It's amazing how they yell about 1-2 mil ship.
What do Ninja hate else? Warping In a 3/3 recon. Very funny too.
They seem to dislike my salvaging tengu because they can't speed more than the wreck neither than my ship. so it's quite GAME OVER for them (if i don't prefer to warp out and come back with my suicide gank toy - yeah i won't salvage after just for funny vengeance).
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Krinthe
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.01.18 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: Krinthe on 18/01/2010 10:34:25
I think the OP is a bit outta touch with "EVE's" meanings of the 3 distinct words being used here and knowing the difference.
Wreck = The remains of a ship that was destroyed.
Salvage = Whats inside that wreck that is, erhmm, salvagable (with proper training).
Loot = Any "goods" which actualy enter your cargo hold. <---Until then, you do NOT own anything.
To put it another way, for example...
You wander around the streets, always looking at the ground for money. You see a $10 dollar bill a few feet ahead. As you go to get it, you notice another person has also seen the $10 dollar bill.
You have a habit of looking for money, the other person just happened to be there.
Who's $10 bucks does it belong too?
You'd most likely say it was yours. The other guy argues the point that it wasnt ever yours to begin with and still isnt.
So, it all boils down to who gets the "loot" into their pocket (cargo bay) first.
Thats EVE for ya 
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Ynon
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Posted - 2010.01.18 10:28:00 -
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I feel you mate. Kind of sick of them myself. I don't mind the occasional ninja; some are even decent guys and leave some wrecks for me to salvage, but where I am missioning, about every lvl 4 in the hub itself is crawling with them, as well as dual account baiter-ganker loot thieves who also steal the occasional mission item which I personally have no way of dealing with (yet).
Seeing around 80% of my missions in the hub itself infested with them (and often multiple ones) is a little too much, so I am currently moving to a more quiet system. Agent quality isn't nearly as good but more loot & salvage and less mission items stolen but most of all; no frustration of seeing your work and time investment violated by a parade of vultures would be a blessing.
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Starlk
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Posted - 2010.01.18 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Starlk on 18/01/2010 14:59:51
I always ask first, but so many people block you or don't reply I kinda just take it now. I alwats tend to leave a cargo container nearby to thank the pilot, usually with a couple of items inside. If I'm running missions myself and have no salvager on me, I loot the cargo then turn the wrecks blue.
People get too whiney over a bloody game.
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Parzifal
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Posted - 2010.01.18 15:24:00 -
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Eve is the only online game I've played where bad behavior among players is not only tolerated but encouraged by the game designers. Luckily, for those frustrated with the game, Jumpgate Evolution will soon be out.
The OP said his piece and left and it's a wonder why people are keeping this thread alive. Are the ninja salvagers afraid that CCP is going to change it's mind?
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2010.01.18 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Why not? Becauseà Originally by: NaveTheGreat
ccp you have got to give us the kill rights
No they don't. Why would they have to?
According to CCP, Eve is a PvP game.
It would seem to me that making the ninja looter killable adds another way to PvP, so would fit in with CCP's stated intent.
(And I mean PvP with guns, not the make pretend PvP that uses an auction house, if you understand me)
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Quinn Tokimeki
Caldari
NOVA TECH
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Posted - 2010.01.18 16:49:00 -
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-10 cool points...
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Bouchement
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Posted - 2010.01.18 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: grazer gin
Yes give us killrights i want whatever you faction/plex/officer fit CNR has on it more than this PoS piece of salvage
THIS
Think about it... my PvP ship vs. your mission ship while webbed and/or fighting rats. Vegas odds say you're through. I'm not in there looting in a Catalyst... I'm bringing something scary. Or am I?
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