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Marguerite Antiki
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.20 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aqriue
Originally by: Twiddle**** Ninja salvaging is awesome, best isk/hour there is for a new player.
Keep doing it, eventually that best "isk/hour will" will be destroyed by everyone doing it and that time spent training probing skills could of been better spent training support skills and running your own missions for the bounty. Alloyed bars are about 150k in Didoxie last I checked few days ago, down from 200k just before Dominion. Have 80 sitting in my hangar there and the price has dropped enough that I haven't salvaged a mission since christmas because I can spend more time blitzing for lp/bounty then going back.
Thank you - I will keep doing it as it benefits those around and affiliated with me. As for the price drop on trit bars, thats just supply and demand, move some where else and the cost is different - therefore I doubt it will be reduced to 50k isk per bar.Just means supply / demand in that area has shifted.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.01.20 08:03:00 -
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I support a profession where myself, friends and corp mates take our time to clean up salvage in missions (our own and other players) so that it goes towards making Trimark Pumps (and other rigs) for our own players.
Also, notice that this is not something that IT Alliance dictates or forbids as they are a PvP Alliance where individuals earn a living with their own ways. When I played with them (had to leave due to severe RL time constraints) we'd mission, gate camp, generally pew pew, mined, plexed... and some also ninja salvaged.
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- Add a tractor beam / salvager to your ship (yes DPS goes down but you get your salvage on the fly during the mission)
This is really practical only for marauders or for those with a tank good enough to aggro everything in one spot, the 20km range for the tractor makes it impossible to efficiently gather the wrecks sitting a bit off.
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Keep doing it, eventually that best "isk/hour will" will be destroyed by everyone doing it and that time spent training probing skills could of been better spent training support skills and running your own missions for the bounty.
Tip: they don't do it for the isk/hour, but for the tears/hour. You can't deplete them.
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Alloyed bars are about 150k in Didoxie last I checked few days ago, down from 200k just before Dominion
It's not some dozens of ninjas doing this. It's the hugely slashed down requirement of materials for the new small and medium rigs (hint: medium cargo hold rig).
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Winterjack
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Posted - 2010.01.20 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Tip: they don't do it for the isk/hour, but for the tears/hour. You can't deplete them.
You could, if the people grew up. Just move on, there will be other missions and sure as hell other wrecks. It might be annoying but hey. Stuff happens.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.01.20 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Srialia
Hmm. That's a nice feature, the "abandon wreck" feature.
It's actually rubbish because it can't be set to default. Why would I even waste my time going through a right click menu to do something that cannot benefit me by any stretch of the imagination?
Originally by: Aqriue
Originally by: Twiddle**** Ninja salvaging is awesome, best isk/hour there is for a new player.
Keep doing it, eventually that best "isk/hour will" will be destroyed by everyone doing it and that time spent training probing skills could of been better spent training support skills and running your own missions for the bounty. Alloyed bars are about 150k in Didoxie last I checked few days ago, down from 200k just before Dominion. Have 80 sitting in my hangar there and the price has dropped enough that I haven't salvaged a mission since christmas because I can spend more time blitzing for lp/bounty then going back.
So basically, having more missioners is a sure way to make mission loot and salvage more valuable? Errr...
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2010.01.20 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: iioki Edited by: iioki on 17/01/2010 14:14:58 CCP should stop ninja slavaging, but Ninja salvaging works just fine the way it is
Indeed.
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Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2010.01.20 16:39:00 -
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Got ninja'd by a guy in a Loki. Obviously hoping I would take a shot at him but hey, if he wants to spend half a billion ISK to get a couple armor plates, be my guest.
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Riedle
Minmatar Raptus Regalitor Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.01.20 23:10:00 -
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This just in - EVE is not a single player game.
More at 11
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Freya's Valkyrie
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Posted - 2010.01.20 23:15:00 -
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Am I correct in thinking that you cant take matters into your own hands without Concord intervening?
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Julia Venatrix
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Posted - 2010.01.20 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Freya's Valkyrie Am I correct in thinking that you cant take matters into your own hands without Concord intervening?
Correct, as long as the ninja only salvages and doesn't touch loot. Ninjas are carebears.
--- Some days you are the pigeon, and some the statue. |
Sideron
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Posted - 2010.01.21 00:14:00 -
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If a Ninja Salvager appears in my mission i just shoot all wrecks. I'm ok with bounty and LP, if he is ok with nothing he could follow the whole day. |
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Gwen Ingolffson
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kaian Voskhod 1 Take X alts. 2 Run missions until you are in Recon 3/3 3 Be a sitting duck in your toxic cloud 4 LOLZ ninja frigs explosions
Like anyone other than a halfwit would fall for that.
Respectable ninjas always do a dscan at the gate to see if there's any wrecks beyond.
If not, they move on and don't become candidates for the 2010 Ninja Darwin Awards.
Because there's always more mission sites.
I had a chap actually deploy 5 mining drone II's (which have an enormous signature) by a recon 3 gate in an obvious attempt at ninja baiting. I took the drones home with me and giggled.
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Gwen Ingolffson
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kaian Voskhod When i'm bored doing L4
I suicide gank probe frigs. It's amazing how they yell about 1-2 mil ship.
What do Ninja hate else? Warping In a 3/3 recon. Very funny too.
They seem to dislike my salvaging tengu because they can't speed more than the wreck neither than my ship. so it's quite GAME OVER for them (if i don't prefer to warp out and come back with my suicide gank toy - yeah i won't salvage after just for funny vengeance).
Please tell me where you mission.
I'm already 1-0 vs. a suicide gank CNR and 1-0 against a T2 Drake (both in my Vigil). I'd love to add burned chunks of your "toy" to the wall of my den. :)
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Gwen Ingolffson
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:42:00 -
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Also -
Make wrecks scannable. We can already scan down pirate battlefields, why not player?
But gosh, what's next? Ban gate camping and war decs?
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Wandering Hobo
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.22 07:42:00 -
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I seem to recall when salvaging was implemented the wreck had to be looted first so you couldn't ninja but it was annoying as hell and sucked so horribly that it was changed to the way it is today and it is all good and everything is right in the universe. |
Danks
Caldari Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
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Posted - 2010.01.22 17:03:00 -
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Protip: there are coporations other than the Caldari Navy you can mission for. Many of them have excellent agents far away from the hubs where you'll never see a ninja. Problem solved.
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Krinthe
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.01.22 18:12:00 -
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I said it once before, so why not, I'll say it again.....
If the pilot was any good at all at Ninja'ing, the mission runner would never know he was there. PERIOD!!!
Only reason this has become a problem is because too many people out there in EVE "think" they are good Ninja'ers when in reality, they are not. Just because you get the loot doesnt make you "good" at it.
IMO, it is due to shallow written GUIDES which have contributed to the epidemic of Ninja'ers. To a newbie pilot, reading one of these guides (yes, ive read them myself) leads you to believe in quick n easy isk with little to no risk. The guides tell you how the mechanics of how it works. So, to a newbie pilot who has a very thin wallet, this is gold to them cause they WANT and NEED that bigger ship, that extra implant.
So, who is really to blame here? The newbie pilot who just wants to gain isk as quickly as he can or the person who wrote the guide on how to do it? EVE is too complex for someone to just go out and do this all on their own when they are new, so Id have to say nearly ALL newbie Ninja'ers read a guide on how to do it at some point prior to actually doing it.
Or.....
Is it the guys fault who is whining about Ninja'ers when they knew FULL WELL that EVE is a cut throat game?
Perhaps a little of both??? A 10th of all I earn I keep for myself. |
Violet Serena
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Posted - 2010.01.22 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: Tippia Why not? Becauseā Originally by: NaveTheGreat ccp you have got to give us the kill rights
No they don't. Why would they have to?
According to CCP, Eve is a PvP game.
It would seem to me that making the ninja looter killable adds another way to PvP, so would fit in with CCP's stated intent.
Ding, FTW! Of course, one could counter-argue that if you wanted max realism, stick to 0.0. Still, I can't fathom adding a "who killed me" pointer to the wreck would be some kind of technical challenge, perhaps with a timer, perhaps with a range such that if you leave that local space. Details are left as an exercise.
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