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Brisolore	Posted - 2010.01.18 21:05:00 - [1] Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...???
nautix	Posted - 2010.01.18 21:09:00 - [2] Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? It doesn,t it lets you punish the thief yourself.
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.01.18 21:09:00 - [3] Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? BECAUSE OF FALCON
Aavnagh Do	Posted - 2010.01.18 21:09:00 - [4] Edited by: Aavnagh Do on 18/01/2010 21:24:47 Edited by: Aavnagh Do on 18/01/2010 21:09:43 Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? You mean except of flagging the flipper as Free to Shoot? edit: damn... in after spam -- // Cybersex can make you go blind!
Flying ZombieJesus	Posted - 2010.01.18 21:29:00 - [5] concord doesnt like people who litter
Henry Haphorn	Posted - 2010.01.18 21:34:00 - [6] If the thief can flips your jetcan, then Concord allows you to take aim and fire at him. However, be warned that can flippers are trying to bait you into shooting them. So, unless you have a formidable ship, don't expect to come out alive when you start engaging. Also, beware of reppers.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.01.18 22:03:00 - [7]
SolusLunes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit General Panic.	Posted - 2010.01.19 01:36:00 - [8] A valid question. One that makes one question one's life. But the more important question is this: WTF IS PROTUS In other, related news, Mitnal was never here.
Mara Tessidar	Posted - 2010.01.19 01:37:00 - [9] Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? I ate ur nom noms.
Lanais Suleia	Posted - 2010.01.19 02:33:00 - [10] Originally by: SolusLunes A valid question. One that makes one question one's life. But the more important question is this: WTF IS PROTUS Its a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.01.19 04:01:00 - [11] This will be dealt with. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
kingofallgimps Minmatar 11th Gimp Inc	Posted - 2010.01.19 04:02:00 - [12] I have 17mil, can I help?
Lady Karma	Posted - 2010.01.19 04:40:00 - [13] trolls are getting lazy
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.01.19 05:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Lady Karma trolls are getting lazy Yeah, unfortunately when the post to noise ratio drops the trolls have nothing to feed on, so they start trolling each other. It can be quite funny to poke at them from time to time and see if you can direct their responses.. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get someone to say U MAD? What happened to my AF boost?
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2010.01.19 06:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Lady Karma trolls are getting lazy Yeah, unfortunately when the post to noise ratio drops the trolls have nothing to feed on, so they start trolling each other. It can be quite funny to poke at them from time to time and see if you can direct their responses.. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get someone to say U MAD? U mad? Sorry. --------------- 10/10: Where is your God now?
Tatanya Darkdawn Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.19 07:39:00 - [16] Originally by: nautix Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? It doesn,t it lets you punish the thief yourself. Well, this is like saying that if Concord would fine 1 ISK from thieves account, it would be a penalty. The problem is that you get, what, 14mins hunting time. Everyone knows it's virtually impossible to retaliate in that time when the thief can just happily dock somewhere and wait it out. Trying to kill the thief right away is too dangerous (because of baiting) or almost impossible in PvE ship. I'd like to see something like: killrights to the whole corp that the thief stole from. That would add more risk to ninja looting and more pew in hi-sec. And we all know that even with this the thieves always win ISK-wise.
Winterjack	Posted - 2010.01.19 09:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Tatanya Darkdawn I'd like to see something like: 7 day kill rights to the whole corp that the thief stole from. That would add more risk to ninja looting and more pew in hi-sec. And we all know that even with this the thieves always win ISK-wise. What about a flogging as well? jetcan mining has a risk - canflipping risk. Yeah, they flipped your can. With what? If they're in a combat ship, they won't take much. They need to come back with a hauler, and you have all the time in the world to come back with more punch (or call on friends). If they're in a hauler, just punch holes through their armor and get your can back. You can also do the same game: he doesn't have kill rights so you get there with the hauler, open the can that is now theirs, align to station, take mineral and hit warp. All in all, unless they are targeting you specifically, and for a while, canflippers are a minor nuisance. Just move your op to another belt or system for a while and they won't bother you anymore. Of course, if you react they get loot, they get salvage, they get "tears", and this means you're going to be a target.
Mitchell Hagen	Posted - 2010.01.19 11:23:00 - [18] Can flipping is a useful tactic to fight macrominers that happen to use jetcans and hauler alts. If the flipped can has the same name, the hauler may take ore from it, which will then bring on some pewpew. Sure, it's PvM (player vs macro) rather than PvP but otherwise the rules of engagement are the same: make them be flagged to you, then pop 'em. Little things like canflipping allow the Eve community to harass the lowest form of life in New Eden: the macro runners of various kinds. Even Hulkageddon has its place in this. A word of caution, if you steal ore from a macrominer make sure you petition against them first to avoid getting yourself banned accidentally. But once that petition is lodged, loot away.
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2010.01.19 13:15:00 - [19] To the OP (Troll or not...) Didnt you just Jettison that stuff into space? Now you want Concord to protect what you just threw away? ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------
Kikkoman6 Amarr Terrenus Arcanorum	Posted - 2010.01.19 14:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? CONCORD hates littering
Nivek Ogilvie	Posted - 2010.01.19 14:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? Because jetcans were never meant to be used to get yourself a free 27.5km3 container to put ore into ....
nautix	Posted - 2010.01.19 15:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Tatanya Darkdawn Edited by: Tatanya Darkdawn on 19/01/2010 07:50:27 Originally by: nautix Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? It doesn,t it lets you punish the thief yourself. Well, this is like saying that if Concord would fine 1 ISK from thieves account, it would be a penalty. The problem is that you get, what, 14mins hunting time. Everyone knows it's virtually impossible to retaliate in that time when the thief can just happily dock somewhere and wait it out. Trying to kill the thief right away is too dangerous (because of baiting) or almost impossible in PvE ship. I'd like to see something like: 7 day kill rights to the whole corp that the thief stole from. That would add more risk to ninja looting and more pew in hi-sec. And we all know that even with this the thieves always win ISK-wise. Or you can just do what I did, and bait the can flippers for some fun tears and hatemails and compensation demands :)
Ballista III 8e5T Co0pRAt10n 1n Ev3	Posted - 2010.01.19 17:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Flying ZombieJesus concord doesnt like people who litter
Alexia Merest	Posted - 2010.01.19 17:23:00 - [24] Here is a really easy solution to this problem.. If your in a Player Corp, ask if anyone has an Orca. If you not in a Player Corp, or you Corp doesn't have an Orca, Rent one :) Most industrial players in the game have an Alt that flys an orca, and would be happy to rent it to you for a day. At least thats what I do for newer players, I just take 10% of the ore they mined in High Sec, and then contract the rest to them in a station of their choosing.
Sinner Cain	Posted - 2010.01.20 12:07:00 - [25] From a can flipper to a can miner , I can offer you some sound advice. 1. Your mining barge has a large cargo hold. When it gets full warp back to the station and drop your ore. 2. If you just have to use cans , use an anchored Giant secure 3. I don't think that CCP is gonna change this so quit whining about it.
Winterjack	Posted - 2010.01.20 12:31:00 - [26] Quote: 1. Your mining barge has a large cargo hold. When it gets full warp back to the station and drop your ore. In my retriever, that means one flight every cycle. 2k m3 of cargo and about 1700m3 per cycle. Before giving advice, I'd try mining first. Quote: 2. If you just have to use cans , use an anchored Giant secure That's more sensible. Even more sensible, download the halada mining guide, which has some nice advice on canflippers. Canflippers are a nuisance, not a threat. Quote: 3. I don't think that CCP is gonna change this so quit whining about it. Agreed.
Sinner Cain	Posted - 2010.01.20 12:43:00 - [27] Edited by: Sinner Cain on 20/01/2010 12:43:25 In my retriever, that means one flight every cycle. 2k m3 of cargo and about 1700m3 per cycle. Before giving advice, I'd try mining first. Guess i should have quoted that I don't think i need to mine I can flip for my ore. The point is , there are things you can do to make sure you don't get can flipped.
GuyWithABigHairParting	Posted - 2010.01.20 12:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Alexia Merest Most industrial players in the game have an Alt that flys an orca, and would be happy to rent it to you for a day. lol. Riiight.
Winterjack	Posted - 2010.01.20 13:02:00 - [29] Edited by: Winterjack on 20/01/2010 13:02:17 Originally by: Sinner Cain I don't think i need to mine I can flip for my ore. The point is , there are things you can do to make sure you don't get can flipped. First thing is make it hard for the flippers - GSC, or grav site mining, mission mining, mine in lo-pop belts or lo pop systems. Second, stay calm. As mentioned, flippers are a nuisance, and most just want you to shoot at them to give them right to shoot back. Third, come back in a hauler, reflip while aligned and move home. Forth, if you get targeted by flippers for a while, either move to GSC or move to another system. Then I heard of a nice trick: it's in halada's guide. Have a friend of yours in a cloaked ship drop the can instead of you. When the flipper comes he won't probably notice it ain't yours and flips it, the cloaked one has killrights, uncloaks and lets fly. Halada claims this has made flippers so confused they actually attacked him and got concordokken. Would pay to see that :)
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.01.20 13:50:00 - [30] Originally by: Winterjack Edited by: Winterjack on 20/01/2010 13:02:17 Originally by: Sinner Cain I don't think i need to mine I can flip for my ore. The point is , there are things you can do to make sure you don't get can flipped. First thing is make it hard for the flippers - GSC, or grav site mining, mission mining, mine in lo-pop belts or lo pop systems. Second, stay calm. As mentioned, flippers are a nuisance, and most just want you to shoot at them to give them right to shoot back. Third, come back in a hauler, reflip while aligned and move home. Forth, if you get targeted by flippers for a while, either move to GSC or move to another system. Then I heard of a nice trick: it's in halada's guide. Have a friend of yours in a cloaked ship drop the can instead of you. When the flipper comes he won't probably notice it ain't yours and flips it, the cloaked one has killrights, uncloaks and lets fly. Halada claims this has made flippers so confused they actually attacked him and got concordokken. Would pay to see that :) bolded the funny parts, please do as this man says

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