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Brisolore	Posted - 2010.01.18 21:05:00 - [1] Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...???
nautix	Posted - 2010.01.18 21:09:00 - [2] Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? It doesn,t it lets you punish the thief yourself.
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.01.18 21:09:00 - [3] Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? BECAUSE OF FALCON
Aavnagh Do	Posted - 2010.01.18 21:09:00 - [4] Edited by: Aavnagh Do on 18/01/2010 21:24:47 Edited by: Aavnagh Do on 18/01/2010 21:09:43 Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? You mean except of flagging the flipper as Free to Shoot? edit: damn... in after spam -- // Cybersex can make you go blind!
Flying ZombieJesus	Posted - 2010.01.18 21:29:00 - [5] concord doesnt like people who litter
Henry Haphorn	Posted - 2010.01.18 21:34:00 - [6] If the thief can flips your jetcan, then Concord allows you to take aim and fire at him. However, be warned that can flippers are trying to bait you into shooting them. So, unless you have a formidable ship, don't expect to come out alive when you start engaging. Also, beware of reppers.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.01.18 22:03:00 - [7]
SolusLunes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit General Panic.	Posted - 2010.01.19 01:36:00 - [8] A valid question. One that makes one question one's life. But the more important question is this: WTF IS PROTUS In other, related news, Mitnal was never here.
Mara Tessidar	Posted - 2010.01.19 01:37:00 - [9] Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? I ate ur nom noms.
Lanais Suleia	Posted - 2010.01.19 02:33:00 - [10] Originally by: SolusLunes A valid question. One that makes one question one's life. But the more important question is this: WTF IS PROTUS Its a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.01.19 04:01:00 - [11] This will be dealt with. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
kingofallgimps Minmatar 11th Gimp Inc	Posted - 2010.01.19 04:02:00 - [12] I have 17mil, can I help?
Lady Karma	Posted - 2010.01.19 04:40:00 - [13] trolls are getting lazy
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.01.19 05:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Lady Karma trolls are getting lazy Yeah, unfortunately when the post to noise ratio drops the trolls have nothing to feed on, so they start trolling each other. It can be quite funny to poke at them from time to time and see if you can direct their responses.. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get someone to say U MAD? What happened to my AF boost?
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2010.01.19 06:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Lady Karma trolls are getting lazy Yeah, unfortunately when the post to noise ratio drops the trolls have nothing to feed on, so they start trolling each other. It can be quite funny to poke at them from time to time and see if you can direct their responses.. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get someone to say U MAD? U mad? Sorry. --------------- 10/10: Where is your God now?
Tatanya Darkdawn Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.19 07:39:00 - [16] Originally by: nautix Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? It doesn,t it lets you punish the thief yourself. Well, this is like saying that if Concord would fine 1 ISK from thieves account, it would be a penalty. The problem is that you get, what, 14mins hunting time. Everyone knows it's virtually impossible to retaliate in that time when the thief can just happily dock somewhere and wait it out. Trying to kill the thief right away is too dangerous (because of baiting) or almost impossible in PvE ship. I'd like to see something like: killrights to the whole corp that the thief stole from. That would add more risk to ninja looting and more pew in hi-sec. And we all know that even with this the thieves always win ISK-wise.
Winterjack	Posted - 2010.01.19 09:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Tatanya Darkdawn I'd like to see something like: 7 day kill rights to the whole corp that the thief stole from. That would add more risk to ninja looting and more pew in hi-sec. And we all know that even with this the thieves always win ISK-wise. What about a flogging as well? jetcan mining has a risk - canflipping risk. Yeah, they flipped your can. With what? If they're in a combat ship, they won't take much. They need to come back with a hauler, and you have all the time in the world to come back with more punch (or call on friends). If they're in a hauler, just punch holes through their armor and get your can back. You can also do the same game: he doesn't have kill rights so you get there with the hauler, open the can that is now theirs, align to station, take mineral and hit warp. All in all, unless they are targeting you specifically, and for a while, canflippers are a minor nuisance. Just move your op to another belt or system for a while and they won't bother you anymore. Of course, if you react they get loot, they get salvage, they get "tears", and this means you're going to be a target.
Mitchell Hagen	Posted - 2010.01.19 11:23:00 - [18] Can flipping is a useful tactic to fight macrominers that happen to use jetcans and hauler alts. If the flipped can has the same name, the hauler may take ore from it, which will then bring on some pewpew. Sure, it's PvM (player vs macro) rather than PvP but otherwise the rules of engagement are the same: make them be flagged to you, then pop 'em. Little things like canflipping allow the Eve community to harass the lowest form of life in New Eden: the macro runners of various kinds. Even Hulkageddon has its place in this. A word of caution, if you steal ore from a macrominer make sure you petition against them first to avoid getting yourself banned accidentally. But once that petition is lodged, loot away.
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2010.01.19 13:15:00 - [19] To the OP (Troll or not...) Didnt you just Jettison that stuff into space? Now you want Concord to protect what you just threw away? ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------
Kikkoman6 Amarr Terrenus Arcanorum	Posted - 2010.01.19 14:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? CONCORD hates littering
Nivek Ogilvie	Posted - 2010.01.19 14:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? Because jetcans were never meant to be used to get yourself a free 27.5km3 container to put ore into ....
nautix	Posted - 2010.01.19 15:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Tatanya Darkdawn Edited by: Tatanya Darkdawn on 19/01/2010 07:50:27 Originally by: nautix Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? It doesn,t it lets you punish the thief yourself. Well, this is like saying that if Concord would fine 1 ISK from thieves account, it would be a penalty. The problem is that you get, what, 14mins hunting time. Everyone knows it's virtually impossible to retaliate in that time when the thief can just happily dock somewhere and wait it out. Trying to kill the thief right away is too dangerous (because of baiting) or almost impossible in PvE ship. I'd like to see something like: 7 day kill rights to the whole corp that the thief stole from. That would add more risk to ninja looting and more pew in hi-sec. And we all know that even with this the thieves always win ISK-wise. Or you can just do what I did, and bait the can flippers for some fun tears and hatemails and compensation demands :)
Ballista III 8e5T Co0pRAt10n 1n Ev3	Posted - 2010.01.19 17:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Flying ZombieJesus concord doesnt like people who litter
Alexia Merest	Posted - 2010.01.19 17:23:00 - [24] Here is a really easy solution to this problem.. If your in a Player Corp, ask if anyone has an Orca. If you not in a Player Corp, or you Corp doesn't have an Orca, Rent one :) Most industrial players in the game have an Alt that flys an orca, and would be happy to rent it to you for a day. At least thats what I do for newer players, I just take 10% of the ore they mined in High Sec, and then contract the rest to them in a station of their choosing.
Sinner Cain	Posted - 2010.01.20 12:07:00 - [25] From a can flipper to a can miner , I can offer you some sound advice. 1. Your mining barge has a large cargo hold. When it gets full warp back to the station and drop your ore. 2. If you just have to use cans , use an anchored Giant secure 3. I don't think that CCP is gonna change this so quit whining about it.
Winterjack	Posted - 2010.01.20 12:31:00 - [26] Quote: 1. Your mining barge has a large cargo hold. When it gets full warp back to the station and drop your ore. In my retriever, that means one flight every cycle. 2k m3 of cargo and about 1700m3 per cycle. Before giving advice, I'd try mining first. Quote: 2. If you just have to use cans , use an anchored Giant secure That's more sensible. Even more sensible, download the halada mining guide, which has some nice advice on canflippers. Canflippers are a nuisance, not a threat. Quote: 3. I don't think that CCP is gonna change this so quit whining about it. Agreed.
Sinner Cain	Posted - 2010.01.20 12:43:00 - [27] Edited by: Sinner Cain on 20/01/2010 12:43:25 In my retriever, that means one flight every cycle. 2k m3 of cargo and about 1700m3 per cycle. Before giving advice, I'd try mining first. Guess i should have quoted that I don't think i need to mine I can flip for my ore. The point is , there are things you can do to make sure you don't get can flipped.
GuyWithABigHairParting	Posted - 2010.01.20 12:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Alexia Merest Most industrial players in the game have an Alt that flys an orca, and would be happy to rent it to you for a day. lol. Riiight.
Winterjack	Posted - 2010.01.20 13:02:00 - [29] Edited by: Winterjack on 20/01/2010 13:02:17 Originally by: Sinner Cain I don't think i need to mine I can flip for my ore. The point is , there are things you can do to make sure you don't get can flipped. First thing is make it hard for the flippers - GSC, or grav site mining, mission mining, mine in lo-pop belts or lo pop systems. Second, stay calm. As mentioned, flippers are a nuisance, and most just want you to shoot at them to give them right to shoot back. Third, come back in a hauler, reflip while aligned and move home. Forth, if you get targeted by flippers for a while, either move to GSC or move to another system. Then I heard of a nice trick: it's in halada's guide. Have a friend of yours in a cloaked ship drop the can instead of you. When the flipper comes he won't probably notice it ain't yours and flips it, the cloaked one has killrights, uncloaks and lets fly. Halada claims this has made flippers so confused they actually attacked him and got concordokken. Would pay to see that :)
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.01.20 13:50:00 - [30] Originally by: Winterjack Edited by: Winterjack on 20/01/2010 13:02:17 Originally by: Sinner Cain I don't think i need to mine I can flip for my ore. The point is , there are things you can do to make sure you don't get can flipped. First thing is make it hard for the flippers - GSC, or grav site mining, mission mining, mine in lo-pop belts or lo pop systems. Second, stay calm. As mentioned, flippers are a nuisance, and most just want you to shoot at them to give them right to shoot back. Third, come back in a hauler, reflip while aligned and move home. Forth, if you get targeted by flippers for a while, either move to GSC or move to another system. Then I heard of a nice trick: it's in halada's guide. Have a friend of yours in a cloaked ship drop the can instead of you. When the flipper comes he won't probably notice it ain't yours and flips it, the cloaked one has killrights, uncloaks and lets fly. Halada claims this has made flippers so confused they actually attacked him and got concordokken. Would pay to see that :) bolded the funny parts, please do as this man says
Winterjack	Posted - 2010.01.20 14:02:00 - [31] Originally by: Boomershoot bolded the funny parts, please do as this man says Hey, aside from the reflip and warp home (which is what I did the one time I got canflipped), the rest is all in the wonderful halada's mining guide. Never tried it myself :p
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.01.20 14:22:00 - [32] Originally by: Winterjack Originally by: Boomershoot bolded the funny parts, please do as this man says Hey, aside from the reflip and warp home (which is what I did the one time I got canflipped), the rest is all in the wonderful halada's mining guide. Never tried it myself :p you all should
Botrias Pirabus	Posted - 2010.01.20 16:09:00 - [33] Originally by: Winterjack Quote: 1. Your mining barge has a large cargo hold. When it gets full warp back to the station and drop your ore. In my retriever, that means one flight every cycle. 2k m3 of cargo and about 1700m3 per cycle. Before giving advice, I'd try mining first. 2km3? My Retriever has 4944m3 of cargo space (which is why I don't use a container, it's pointless for me). I run 3 cycles which fills the hold, and unless I'm in a mining op where it's time to feed it to the hauler, I fly back to station and drop it off. Based upon the fact that I got my Retriever holding more than twice what yours does, I believe you could do the same, and not bother with the cans anymore.
trenny jr Caldari Order of Celestial Knights Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.20 16:27:00 - [34] my miner alt mines into a et can with a BM of some random spot i get on warp it stays nice and empty cos i have the hauler grab it from the can fast and i can hold about 3/4ths of what my hauler can in my hulk jetcan problem i see no problem [00:18:49] Lady Spank > /emote squiggles
sukmanobov Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.20 16:50:00 - [35] Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? Use a Secure can. It would be like leaving a Unsecured case (full Of expensive gold) 20meters from u that means some one can steal from it and run. leave a Locked and secure case its going knowhere if its that heavy a theif can't pick it up. --------------------------------
Brisolore	Posted - 2010.01.20 16:54:00 - [36] Originally by: Sinner Cain 2. If you just have to use cans , use an anchored Giant secure Okay, noob question on that statement. My Giant Secure Container says that I cannot anchor it in 0.8, 0.9 or 1.0 space. Is it still secure in those systems...???
Brisolore Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.20 17:00:00 - [37] Originally by: Sinner Cain 1. Your mining barge has a large cargo hold. When it gets full warp back to the station and drop your ore. My barge holds 2,000m^3, with all my upgrades, each of my Strip Miner II's pulls in ~1,090.0m^2 for a total of ~2,180.0m^3 in about 3 minutes. I fill up a jetcan in just over 30 minutes.
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.01.20 17:12:00 - [38] Originally by: SolusLunes A valid question. One that makes one question one's life. But the more important question is this: WTF IS PROTUS ^^This (IS GAME)
Winterjack	Posted - 2010.01.20 17:18:00 - [39] Originally by: Brisolore My barge holds 2,000m^3, with all my upgrades, each of my Strip Miner II's pulls in ~1,090.0m^2 for a total of ~2,180.0m^3 in about 3 minutes. I fill up a jetcan in just over 30 minutes. You see, the whole point in this is a cost-effective way to avoid canflippers. Cost-effective is the key. Anything that costs more than what I lose with a flip is not cost effective.
Skippermonkey	Posted - 2010.01.20 17:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Brisolore Originally by: Sinner Cain 2. If you just have to use cans , use an anchored Giant secure Okay, noob question on that statement. My Giant Secure Container says that I cannot anchor it in 0.8, 0.9 or 1.0 space. Is it still secure in those systems...??? You dont have to anchor it to use them Look at me, im using the INTERNETS!
Awesome Possum Underworld Excavators	Posted - 2010.01.20 17:40:00 - [41] Originally by: Skippermonkey Originally by: Brisolore Originally by: Sinner Cain 2. If you just have to use cans , use an anchored Giant secure Okay, noob question on that statement. My Giant Secure Container says that I cannot anchor it in 0.8, 0.9 or 1.0 space. Is it still secure in those systems...??? You dont have to anchor it to use them ohai unanchored giant secure container! don't mind if i just put you in my cargo hold. oh whats this? its password protected? guess i'll just repackage.... ohai ore! ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Jill Duron	Posted - 2010.01.20 18:40:00 - [42] Originally by: Brisolore Originally by: Sinner Cain 2. If you just have to use cans , use an anchored Giant secure Okay, noob question on that statement. My Giant Secure Container says that I cannot anchor it in 0.8, 0.9 or 1.0 space. Is it still secure in those systems...??? The answer is no, they have to be anchored.
Swalesey Prosperity Through Violence	Posted - 2010.01.20 20:22:00 - [43] Also, a giant secure container is only secure if you anchor it and set a password :P Always makes me lol when you just take the stuff anyway and there like wtf!!???!!!
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT	Posted - 2010.01.21 02:59:00 - [44] Jetcans were never intended to be used for mining. So don't use them. Use giant secure containers instead. Coincidentally, stealing from jetcans also used to yield no aggression timer so you weren't even allowed to shoot at them. This made more sense, TBH, as jetcans are essentially abandoned goods. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle! ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made.
Awesome Possum Underworld Excavators	Posted - 2010.01.21 04:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Taedrin Now you know, and knowing is half the battle! porkchop sandwiches? ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.01.21 13:57:00 - [46] Originally by: Awesome Possum Originally by: Taedrin Now you know, and knowing is half the battle! porkchop sandwiches? ●_●
Slimy Worm Vivicide Vivisection.	Posted - 2010.01.21 20:10:00 - [47] Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? Somewhere in the canon it explains that CONCORD doesn't bother with trivial stuff like can-flippery
Taurinthia	Posted - 2010.01.21 21:38:00 - [48] This is idiotic. I've semi-afk jetcan mined in a .5 system with 4-10 pilots in it on average for the last 2 months with NO trouble. My hulk drops a full can in < 15 min, warp to station, switch to iteron adn bring in the ore. Why have I had no trouble? I'm not mining within 2 jumps of high traffic. The worst thing that can happen is I lose 15-30 min of time if a flipper happens to bother coming all the way out to my mining location, but the odds of that are much lower because the systems are low-percentage for flippers who (generally) are lazy and/or opportunistic (e.g. trolling high-population systems)
Cerneus Blood Cult of the Nameless One	Posted - 2010.01.22 11:43:00 - [49] Keep jetmining.
Jreedar Taree Minmatar New Eden Combat Academy	Posted - 2010.01.22 21:29:00 - [50] Originally by: Taurinthia This is idiotic. I've semi-afk jetcan mined in a .5 system with 4-10 pilots in it on average for the last 2 months with NO trouble. My hulk drops a full can in < 15 min, warp to station, switch to iteron adn bring in the ore. Why have I had no trouble? I'm not mining within 2 jumps of high traffic. The worst thing that can happen is I lose 15-30 min of time if a flipper happens to bother coming all the way out to my mining location, but the odds of that are much lower because the systems are low-percentage for flippers who (generally) are lazy and/or opportunistic (e.g. trolling high-population systems) /me runs a locate on Tuarinthia to get some tasty ore....
Owen Drakkar	Posted - 2010.01.22 21:47:00 - [51] Originally by: Mara Tessidar Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? I ate ur nom noms. I find your signature and your post next to each other to be ironic.
KUJ4 PREZIDENT	Posted - 2010.01.23 16:18:00 - [52] I canflip in a battle hauler
Lavraen Minmatar Animus Furandi	Posted - 2010.01.24 15:03:00 - [53] Can flipping still exists? That's good to know...
DuKackBoon	Posted - 2010.01.25 01:41:00 - [54] Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? Why does Police allow the unscrupulous to steal the garbage on garbage cans without penalty...???
kilondar Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.25 04:02:00 - [55] Originally by: Boomershoot Originally by: Brisolore Why does Concord allow the unscrupulous to steal the contents on jetcans without penalty...??? BECAUSE OF FALCON I concur.
Kumq uat Gallente Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.25 04:26:00 - [56] tr.v. jet+ti+soned, jet+ti+son+ing, jet+ti+sons 1. To cast overboard or off: a ship jettisoning wastes; a pilot jettisoning aircraft fuel. 2. Informal To discard (something) as unwanted or burdensome: jettisoned the whole marketing plan. n. 1. The act of discarding or casting overboard. 2. Jetsam. www.eve-pirate.com original author Please resize your sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 and a file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal
speedybot	Posted - 2010.01.25 06:17:00 - [57] Originally by: Sinner Cain From a can flipper to a can miner , I can offer you some sound advice. 1. Your mining barge has a large cargo hold. When it gets full warp back to the station and drop your ore. 2. If you just have to use cans , use an anchored Giant secure Those are common misconceptions amongst can flippers... The time to reward ratio for high sec mining is ridiculously low. Either of those things reduce it to something so low that you'd have a hard time telling whether you're making more money by mining or by sitting in a station waiting to die. The real solution, IMO, it just to deal with losing some ore from time to time to can flippers. Most often they don't even take the ore, they just try to instigate you into attacking them so they can pwn you and when you don't, they leave and leave the ore behind. It's a far smaller loss that the loss of time you experience by wasting all your time flying around and GSCs aren't big enough. An Orca or even just keeping an industrial there to pick up the ore whenever a can flipper comes by solves it of course, but if you're solo and only have one account, you just need to accept having your cans flipped from time to time. And, yeah, Taurinthia is right, find a more remote system and you won't encounter many can flippers.
Normin Bates	Posted - 2010.01.25 06:30:00 - [58] Solution: Cease mining.
Herty The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention	Posted - 2010.01.25 06:32:00 - [59] You know jet can mining is technically an exploit right? So why would ccp help you?
Winterjack	Posted - 2010.01.25 10:57:00 - [60] Originally by: Herty You know jet can mining is technically an exploit right? So why would ccp help you? lol.
KUJ4 PREZIDENT	Posted - 2010.01.25 21:25:00 - [61] Originally by: speedybot The real solution, IMO, it just to deal with losing some ore from time to time to can flippers. Most often they don't even take the ore, they just try to instigate you into attacking them so they can pwn you and when you don't, they leave and leave the ore behind. Again... I canflip in a battle hauler.
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.01.25 21:31:00 - [62] Originally by: speedybot An Orca or even just keeping an industrial there to pick up the ore whenever a can flipper comes by solves it of course Please Please PLEASE use more orcas to take up ore from cans
Santana IV	Posted - 2010.01.26 21:42:00 - [63] I can flip in an Industrial.

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