Yea, how would you react if you decide to purchase that pretty Mercedes E350 of yours for $48,000 and realize that the same dealership is selling that car for $1,000, 6 months later?

Obviously you failed ANALOGY section of the SAT exam.

Once again, as I mentioned again and again, what you say has nothing to do with my issue. "prices on most gear would eventually drop" only applies to items that are susceptible to market forces including change in supplies or the availability of the next best alternatives.

Also, we all knew that it was a one-time event since it did specify "special one-time offer"

Now you are playing wording games here.

Until last year's Christmas debacle with the reissuance of old historical frigates, CCP performed extremely well on keeping its purported exclusive items, truly "exclusive" for 7 amazing years. Magnates, GV, Tourney Prices, Annual Frigates, Collectors' Edition Shuttle, and all other special promotional/ingame activity items remained truly unique.

I agree with op, i buy this shirt for my main one hour ago for 500 arum, i know it was rare and expensive before

Why shouldn't CCP apply that to these other unique promotional items?

Why show selectivity?

But those items were advertised as if obtaining the items was contingent upon the purchase of either EVE Online Russian Collector's Edition, 13 X Plexs, or "blank." The value came from exclusivity and there are people who took additional risk and actual cash to obtain these exclusive collectible items. You can't just ignore that.

Once again, what you describe here has nothing to do with my issue. Thanks for your story though.

What it is about is CCP offering a one-off item in exchange for a significant purchase of PLEXes and then doing a complete reverse after putting the money in their pockets.

And it doesn't need the word "limited". In my trains example, I used the word "special". And indeed, what is "special" about the ishukone shirt now?

And this is also about trust in advertising

That is a rather big boot to the nuts imo. CCP stated they were releasing items at a much cheaper price than usual, but wouldn't touch the other item prices to keep the market prices stable on them. I can see this being where they kind of screwed the market for the shirt. Though I would never pay 1b for a shirt...

False.

When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price.

However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done.

CCP making a fool of people that buy plex is not what CCP should want.

Except, if you've looked recently, it IS on the NEX.

Because Limited items always decrease in value.

Except there was only one source which expired which made the item limited.

This is probably why the price increased so much, from some 300mil to over 2bil in 5 months.

Except for the past six months it was limited wasn't it.

And the fact that "special edition" is a poor choice of name for something that is clearly no longer special in any reasonable sense of the word.

Now you're being facetious.

It's funny though watching you operate. Anything that doesn't bother you and you're quite the contrarian. UI changes and it's time to make a video complete with emasculated voice.

I would've thought you'd be too busy complaining about more items available for aurum that are destroying player run industry and killing the game to be posting here.

Why was your "special edition of Aliens" called a special edition?

Is that reason the same reason the Ishukone shirt was called "special edition"?

What would a potential customer of the 13xplex deal think the "special edition" might reasonably mean?

Was the wording of the offer targetting collectors?

And even *if* this wasn't at all deceptive, I don't see why you are siding against the OP.

Please reread my post.

And for the record, ALL the clothes items of the same sort differ from each other only in colour. So again, this does NOT make the Ishukone "special". It makes it the same as everything else.

Semantics aside, it's poor judgement on CCPs part to give the impression that you are receiving something heretofore unreleased and thus a gift not unlike the Quaffe shirts and ships.

You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true.

Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt.

just because many companies practice such marketing scheme, doesn't make it necessary for all of us to assume that CCP would possibly do the same as well.

For all those constant critics in this thread, you still haven't addressed the main concern: even IF CCP was within their rights to do this, was it the right move? Was it smart? Was it needed?

This move has had a negative effect on the trust for CCP promotions regarding clothing, and for the NEX store.

I'm not seeing them in the Noble Exchange either.

It is imperative that CCP Devs need to clarify this issue, not merely by simply taking out the two highly controversial items from NEX Store, but a verbal admittance of their screw-up and their assurance that those who took the "leap of faith" are not in the constant fear of having their investments being devalued to "dust" due to CCP's carelessness.

It is imperative because the success of CCP's future marketing promotions depends on accountability and clarity. Once again, no players should be afraid of partaking in CCP's future marketing promotions or NEX Store because of the constant fear of having their investments devalued next to nothing.

Maybe you're not seeing them because all the people like me, instead of watching the forums, were watching the actual game.

Playing wording games and adhering to your suggestions will only ruin the prospect of CCP's future marketing promotions and NEX Store from being successful.

In the example of the Isukone Scorp.....functionally identical doesn't exactly convey identical characteristics. All BS's are functionally identical. That is to say functionally, they all kill things. How they do it and their efficacy is the real question.

As a former accountant at Big Four and currently employed at J.P. Morgan

Oh great. Your "we are 99%" plea won't sway me.

Oh I am clueless about basic economics and finance?

I bought those PLEXs to receive the shirt with valid reasonings and assumptions.

I was expressing my humble plea to receive a fair and just compensation for CCP's mistake.

Might be time to click the blue bars, read with comprehension and admit you are either wrong or tell us how you know more than CCP devs about what happened here.

CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment.

Since you love repeating things over and over again, I will do the same for you.

I didn't even read your posting.

There is nothing wrong with Aurum system.

Do you think having CCP rely on "almost free-to-play" model by allowing capsuleers to fund their own subscription via ISK, sustainable in the long run?

CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment.

CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment.

Just waiting for CCP Devs' response regarding the issue of reparation.

And I still don't know why Tippia is writing something on the thread, because I haven't read any of his message for almost a day now.

Could you kindly examine the first 10 pages or so? I tried to be civil and calm

It only requires a single response from CCP DEVS regarding how they will be making an appropriate reparation for the disadvantaged parties, and an absolute guarantee that they won't screw up with other historical items for future marketing promotion.

So wait CCp removed game items from players with out reinbursement?

..and than after acknowledging it was done in error have yet to let those affected know what to expect.

That's your question and it's unimportant and meaningless.

I personally don't see how aurum has any further effect on the integrity of the game than plex already does.

As my own time here is shorter than many others, I can't recall a point in time when an actual promotional item was made so widely available as was the case here. Some of the gift ships and items were made obtainable in crucible or as part of other offers, but to my recollection those were originally granted just for being active at the time and were not designed to entice a separate or additional purchase.

I'll tell you a little secret. Trolling other players will get your post deleted, but going up against a dev will get you a vacation.

Proof they're at fault? This isn't a court preceding--it's public relations.

I'm pretty sure he clearly understands this weak semantic distinction you're pushing and just plain don't agree with it--whether it was a "limited" or "special" edition and he-should-have-known-the-difference is a real lame thing to hang your argument on.

Heck, it might not even make bad business sense to not-alienate your most idiotic and devoted customers.

The market for those items was, like plex, purely dictated by demand as until recently there were no ways, outside of promotions or nex purchases to obtain them.

They can't bypass a system they were never a part of to begin with, which would be player creation.

In my mind bypassing that system was necessary to justify the existence of nex.

There is a distinction there which you brushed over. These were items designed in their inception to induce a wholly separate purchase. I find that to be a significant enough difference to warrant more cautious handling. Also it should be considered that while the items were essentially free with another purchase, that purchase had to be made, with real money at that, to bring the items into the game.

And then there's you telling both that they are wrong .

You are trolling the OP and anyone who agrees with him. Evidenced by the deletion of your posts in this thread. Non troll posts don't get deleted.

That was a statement that didn't say what I intended and was corrected. My point being that neither item has any value that is explicitly tied to that of another item in game. Or had rather, the shirts in the FW LP store broke this comparison.

Granted the nature of the item is frivolous, though, as was pointed out earlier, when you have fostered a collectors mentality in some of your customers with truly limited release items, of which there are several, it makes sense to not preemptively kill interest in any future offers of a similar nature.

Lets assume that you purchased 3 Estamel modules for 2.2B each a day before, totaling 6.6B in investment. Then without a single warning, CCP decides to make those precious Estamel modules of yours, available for 1/100 of the original price you paid. Having lost approximately 6.5B in investments, you would be equally enraged and most likely, you will cancel your subscription.

You forgot to mention the point that if 3 of your Estamel modules' market value dropped from 6.6B to 0.06B, you would most likely be equally enraged and rage-quitted your subscription.

You keep claiming that Estamel and Ishukone shirts are different.

Lets assume that you purchased 3 Estamel Modules that have maintained market value of 2.2B each, totaling approximately 6.6B. Then one day, without a warning, CCP decided to make those same Estamel Modules available for 1/100th of the original price you paid. In a single hour, you see your 6.6B in net worth, decline to pitiful 66 million ISK. Are you going to just smile, act like nothing happened, and keep going on with your daily EVE Online life?

Ok obviously you and I think very differently. Let me try another example. Lets say U.S. Government had you buy Bear Sterns company for $20 billion.

Unlikely, but it is a similar analogy. Could you answer my question?

Straw man, deflection and denial.

So you are telling me that those who spent 2B for Ishukone Shirt prior to the devaluation, shouldn't be compensated because that's part of the market risk?

Oh let me restate my question then. Lets say the government made it sound as if Bear Stern was a decent investment. Does this make you happy now? You are telling me that you will be ok if your investment turns to dust?

Tippia, are you saying that those who purchased the Shirt prior to this artificial devaluation by CCP's own mistake, doesn't deserve any compensation?

So you are telling me

if you purchased Estamel's module for 2.2B and its market value declines to 22M the next day solely from the artificial devaluation caused by CCP's mistake, you won't care?

You mean the artificial rarity that CCP has confirmed to be intended? On an item that was confirmed by CCP to be a one time promotional item?

I can't be bothered to link anymore than I can with the other troll

From time to time, CCP does make continuous changes to the preexisting gameplay that positively or negatively affect players' gameplay, but what CCP did with Ishukone shirt/Women (Gold/red) was not just a small change, but an utter devaluation of something we cherish. We are not merely holding these items for speculation purpose. We hold these unique items because we enjoy collecting and we have a belief that CCP won't do anything to **** over "our profession."

I gave my explanations again and again, for the past week and half, but obviously you are refusing to read anything anyone says.

Tippia, I suggest that you stop writing nonsense

I feel sorry for you Tippia, I really do.

Link?

Second time you've responded to someone elses query.

What's there to argue regarding the validity of my points? CCP already told us that reissuance of ISHUKONE Shirt was a mistake on their part and assured us that some kind of reparation will be provided.

There must be some medical term for people who continue to talk to people who are, in no uncertain terms, not listening to them.

I would lean more towards arrogant, or more likely, narcissistic. Because you are not really trying to talk to him.

CCP Devs already mentioned that they have devised a plan that would provide a fair compensation for all the affected parties.

It's just that CCP Devs were probably too busy with Alliance Tournaments to implement that plan.

I've provided my opinion/answers and you guys have provided the same for the past two weeks in this 27 page thread.

Thank you for your response, but I believe this brings more questions than answers. You specified that we will be receiving "Mens Field Marshall Coat." That already exist in the NeX Store with an equivalent price tag of 400M or so. Ishukone Shirt's market value prior to the devaluation was 2B. Arn't we still shorthanded?

You claimed before that a solution is in place that would provide a fair compensation for the affected parties.

Will the Jacket that was purchasable in the NeX store remain off the market or return as an AUR item?

I ask this because right now it is an exclusive item as well and may be of some interest to those who are willing to take the risk of speculating on it. If it is returned to the Noble Exchange it just becomes another piece of clothing.

Once again, it was a tied arrangement where CCP advertised the promotion as if the only venue to obtain the Ishukone Shirt was to purchase 13 x PLEXs.

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There was absolutely no need for me to purchase all those PLEXs, all at once.

The very people who would take advantage of a similar offer next time are the ones that won't be buying anything.

I sure will.

Speculate? I made reasonable assumption that CCP will never reintroduce these items via alternative venues for 1/30th of the market value to the general populous.

It's not like YOU will be paying any extra dollars to CCP since you will generate most of your PLEX via ingame.

Tippia, I am starting to admire your godly patience.

Except for the part where CCP has said exactly that it fully intended it to be a one-off item.

Once again, much appreciated for your contentless bump.

I understand that your insecurities force you to see things the way you do. To misinterpret and be intentionally obtuse in your understanding of what is written.

You keep claiming that I am bumping this thread with "content-free" postings.

Once again, there was absolutely no reason for me to have hundreds of dollars of cash tied to PLEXs that I won't be able to spend for the next several years.

Since CCP has repeatedly stated that the text of the offer was intended to convey what the Antiquarian has interpreted it as, the question has been answered to everyone but the trolls satisfaction.

By you and the other two trolling perhaps.

CCP has confirmed that it is the intended one.

Of course it was reasonable to assume what the OP assumed.

Based on read the next sentence after the one you selectively quoted.