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ThaDollaGenerale The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.01.25 07:23:00 - [31] NAh, don't fit a MWD. Everybody will just scoot out of the bubble and kill you.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2010.01.25 08:20:00 - [32] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Omara Otawan Rubbish. 20k extra EHP wont save you, if you are facing a serious opposition that means maybe 3-4 seconds extra life since you wont receive RR while pointing stuff. You basically just need barely enough tank to be stable against the actual dps you take from sentries, i.e. 350/(# of ships in gang). If you are forward tackler, you NEED the mwd or you are completely useless since a BS with AB can run away from you otherwise. If the script kills enough of your cap to prevent you from burning mwd, you are running a hilarious fit. What was I thinking? You are totally correct. Every onyx should have a MWD fit. I'll go ahead and delete all those kills I've gotten with my onxy becase I was doing it all wrong. Killed anything besides noobs and haulers in it though? It's all very well saying "I get kills with it, so it works" but what sort of kills? You could bring a Harbinger with railguns to a gatecamp, get on a Badger killmail and then proclaim "Harbingers with railguns work, I get kills with it". Doesn't really tell the full story though does it.
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2010.01.25 10:39:00 - [33] Use mwd always with the exception of when you are setting up a very bored and boring camp in your own home system where you could possibly get away with no mwd though probably you wont and I cant see why you d want to anyway... As for enemy fcs not primarying HICs... lol and lol agaon... On a final note from my own days of trying an Onyx the mwd is an issue for cap on that ship and not for the ehp difference. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
arbalesttom Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.01.25 10:59:00 - [34] Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale NAh, don't fit a MWD. Everybody will just scoot out of the bubble and kill you. *Sig*
Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2010.01.25 22:52:00 - [35] Originally by: Crellion As for enemy fcs not primarying HICs... lol and lol agaon... Well if you live in the 400 man blob with vulnerable capitols then the hics are going to get primaried. If you take 80 sniper battleships against 80 other sniper battleships the HICs will get primaried. If you get in a 5v5, 10v10, 20v20 maybe even 40v40 killing the enemy hic is not high on the fcs list of priorities. In small gang engagements wasting time blowing up the enemy hic while there are dps/logistics/ewar ships on the field is utterly ******ed. Living in the uber blob and fighting other uber blobs is a niche position filled with lag, tears, egomaniacs shouting at you on coms, recently server rollbacks, and people saying, "EvE crashed 30 minutes ago for me and now that I fianlly got back on I find myself in the home station in my pod." Forgive me if I don't talk about regular pvp based on the assumption you're in the uber blob. If you are in the uber blob the role of hictors is to tackle supercapitols. When you are the only thing standing between the death of a supercapitol and it jumping out or warping off expect to breifly experience all the combined hatred of the entire enemy fleet. The solution for this problem though isn't to skimp out on the microwarpdrive. The solution is to use a battery of hics and carriers to try to rep them. For holding numbers of subcapitols on the field you use light dictors. The dictor comes in as fast as it can, drops bubble, and then trys to warp off before it dies. In any serious uber blob alliance the guy gets his dictor replaced after making the suicide run. If he survivied woohoo. The FC needs you to go back in there as soon as possible and drop another bubble. You made it out? Good. Do it again.
Hesperius	Posted - 2010.01.25 22:56:00 - [36] Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale NAh, don't fit a MWD. Everybody will just scoot out of the bubble and kill you. Why bother scooting out of the bubble?
Trader20	Posted - 2010.01.25 23:36:00 - [37] Any pvp sub-bs without a mwd is a "lol killmail"
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.25 23:47:00 - [38] Originally by: Trader20 Any pvp sub-bs without a mwd is a "lol killmail" Well, lets put it that way: ppl that don't go after pvp ships, or utterly-outnumber lonely BC/BSs with their gangs can feel comfortable hugging gates or stations with a HIC having no MWD...no need to get too excited about it tho. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Trader20	Posted - 2010.01.26 00:07:00 - [39] Originally by: Diomidis Originally by: Trader20 Any pvp sub-bs without a mwd is a "lol killmail" Well, lets put it that way: ppl that don't go after pvp ships, or utterly-outnumber lonely BC/BSs with their gangs can feel comfortable hugging gates or stations with a HIC having no MWD...no need to get too excited about it tho. wtf?
Commander Shag No Trademark	Posted - 2010.01.26 00:35:00 - [40] Originally by: Sig Sour What was I thinking? You are totally correct. Every onyx should have a MWD fit. I'll go ahead and delete all those kills I've gotten with my onxy becase I was doing it all wrong. You're doing it wrong. Onyx w/o MWD is a fail fit.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.26 04:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Trader20 Originally by: Diomidis Originally by: Trader20 Any pvp sub-bs without a mwd is a "lol killmail" Well, lets put it that way: ppl that don't go after pvp ships, or utterly-outnumber lonely BC/BSs with their gangs can feel comfortable hugging gates or stations with a HIC having no MWD...no need to get too excited about it tho. wtf? I meant those that are so willing to show their uber ganking KB records with Onyxes having no MWD... I don't doubt they have success...I just think the deck is rigged in their favor before they even get to play... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Raimo Gam3rs For Lif3	Posted - 2010.01.26 12:16:00 - [42] OP is D3f14n7, ofc he does not need MWD... ____________________________________________________________
nakKEDK Gallente Night Riders with AKs	Posted - 2010.01.26 12:58:00 - [43] No wonder NC is getting their ass smacked with such questions k
arbalesttom Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.01.26 13:06:00 - [44] TBH i feel ashamed someone even needs to ask a question like this *Sig*
dtyk	Posted - 2010.01.26 13:51:00 - [45] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Originally by: Sidus Isaacs For any mobile force: No MWD = useless dead ship. :) It is that usefull :D Not the role of the HIC to run away. MWD only mean one thing. MUCH less tank. You forget what a scram does to your ship now? HIC being 5km outside of his point range/bubble radius=useless HIC.
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2010.01.26 16:31:00 - [46] Mobility is one of the key components to all forms of warfare. An outmaneuvered opponent is one that can be easily defeated or evaded. Fitting a MWD is not always about running away from something, sometimes you need to run towards something. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Verloc Nostromo Silver Snake Enterprise Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.01.26 16:52:00 - [47] Edited by: Verloc Nostromo on 26/01/2010 16:52:55 Originally by: Hiroshima Jita The solution is to use a battery of hics and carriers to try to rep them. Tell you what you do that and tell me how well those carriers rep a hic once its bubble is up. (I'll give you a hint: not so well)
GIGAR Caldari Domini Umbrus DEFI4NT	Posted - 2010.01.26 18:31:00 - [48] Originally by: Verloc Nostromo Edited by: Verloc Nostromo on 26/01/2010 16:52:55 Originally by: Hiroshima Jita The solution is to use a battery of hics and carriers to try to rep them. Tell you what you do that and tell me how well those carriers rep a hic once its bubble is up. (I'll give you a hint: not so well) I think he was referring to use several HICs, but I do agree that remote repping HICs would be a bad idea, no matter the setup. -------------------------- 2 Years later, mining continues to be the most overlooked game mechanic in Eve
Gim Memore Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.01.26 23:23:00 - [49] and there i was thinking that defifournt didnt recruit total noobs. funny thing is, for him to ask this question in a forum and maintain the idea for more than 5 mins means his corpies dont know any better. if you dont plan to move off the undock of your station, dont fit an mwd.
GIGAR Caldari Domini Umbrus DEFI4NT	Posted - 2010.01.27 07:19:00 - [50] Originally by: Gim Memore and there i was thinking that defifournt didnt recruit total noobs. funny thing is, for him to ask this question in a forum and maintain the idea for more than 5 mins means his corpies dont know any better. if you dont plan to move off the undock of your station, dont fit an mwd. Huh, so because someone ask several people for advice suddenly mean that they are noobs? I don't see any reason to post on an alt to conceal my identity. (but it seems some people are very afraid of this) Besides, your "don't undock without a MWD argument" doesn't really help out - I was originally asking if a MWD would be a good idea/bad idea, and why. Back to the matter of hand, here's what I found out (I think): - MWDs are generally a good idea, unless you are involved in very large fleets, consisting of +200 people on each side, in which case, you'd want the extra tank/EHP. Any other comments regarding this, besides "MWD RULZ!!!!" or "MWD SUCKZ!!!"? -------------------------- 2 Years later, mining continues to be the most overlooked game mechanic in Eve
Gim Memore Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.01.30 13:08:00 - [51] Originally by: GIGAR Originally by: Gim Memore and there i was thinking that defifournt didnt recruit total noobs. funny thing is, for him to ask this question in a forum and maintain the idea for more than 5 mins means his corpies dont know any better. if you dont plan to move off the undock of your station, dont fit an mwd. Huh, so because someone ask several people for advice suddenly mean that they are noobs? I don't see any reason to post on an alt to conceal my identity. (but it seems some people are very afraid of this) Besides, your "don't undock without a MWD argument" doesn't really help out - I was originally asking if a MWD would be a good idea/bad idea, and why. Back to the matter of hand, here's what I found out (I think): - MWDs are generally a good idea, unless you are involved in very large fleets, consisting of +200 people on each side, in which case, you'd want the extra tank/EHP. Any other comments regarding this, besides "MWD RULZ!!!!" or "MWD SUCKZ!!!"?
steave435 Caldari Final Agony	Posted - 2010.02.01 03:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Verloc Nostromo Edited by: Verloc Nostromo on 26/01/2010 16:52:55 Originally by: Hiroshima Jita The solution is to use a battery of hics and carriers to try to rep them. Tell you what you do that and tell me how well those carriers rep a hic once its bubble is up. (I'll give you a hint: not so well) If HIC 1 gets primaried, HIC 2,3,4 and 5 keep theirs up and tackle while #1 gets repped. Keep taking turns dropping bubble when you need reps.
Shadow Willow Viziam	Posted - 2010.02.01 06:14:00 - [53] Originally by: Tippia The "M" in MWD stands for "mandatory". Agreed
Solid Star	Posted - 2010.02.01 07:00:00 - [54] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Omara Otawan Rubbish. 20k extra EHP wont save you, if you are facing a serious opposition that means maybe 3-4 seconds extra life since you wont receive RR while pointing stuff. You basically just need barely enough tank to be stable against the actual dps you take from sentries, i.e. 350/(# of ships in gang). If you are forward tackler, you NEED the mwd or you are completely useless since a BS with AB can run away from you otherwise. If the script kills enough of your cap to prevent you from burning mwd, you are running a hilarious fit. What was I thinking? You are totally correct. Every onyx should have a MWD fit. I'll go ahead and delete all those kills I've gotten with my onxy becase I was doing it all wrong. If you had an MWD you would have double the kills. A HIC without an MWD is ******ed unless you are doing something very specific (like undocking to bait). For any roaming gang your HIC must have an MWD to keep with the gang, get out of other bubbles, and reposition quickly.
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2010.02.01 12:30:00 - [55] Originally by: steave435 Originally by: Verloc Nostromo Edited by: Verloc Nostromo on 26/01/2010 16:52:55 Originally by: Hiroshima Jita The solution is to use a battery of hics and carriers to try to rep them. Tell you what you do that and tell me how well those carriers rep a hic once its bubble is up. (I'll give you a hint: not so well) If HIC 1 gets primaried, HIC 2,3,4 and 5 keep theirs up and tackle while #1 gets repped. Keep taking turns dropping bubble when you need reps. Problem being that a WDFG has a 30 second activation, which is easily enough for it go down, even to a reasonably small gang. And thats along side all of the usual problems of co-ordinating logistics with capitals that lock like my gf parks. Basically, any egagament large enough to demand the use of 5 HICs and capitals is big enough to pop a HIC in one go. For a bonus point... Anyone wanna guess what happens when you are sitting a carrier inside five bubbles and some nasty people with bad breath, harsh language and guns show up ? Its not that hard to guess, hence only one bonus point, but still, GL to all.

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