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The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.25 13:06:00 - [1] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 25/01/2010 13:45:05 The Star Fraction Begins Operation Black Lustrum As of this date, on the 5th anniversary of the alliance's foundation, the Freecaptains of the Star Fraction have commenced Phase One of Operation Black Lustrum, a campaign against the 'Holder' vassals of the CVA-ruled Providence bloc. The initial target of Black Lustrum is the Sev3rance alliance, a long-standing collaborator in the slave empire of the CVA. The 'Holder' alliances of Providence, vassals and slaves to the CVA one and all, are in many ways more loathesome than the CVA itself. They are incapable of standing alone. They collaborate in a vile regime of slavery, standings enclosurism and violent expansionism. They are the levy troops of the CVA, thrown into battle against its foes at its whim. They may do nothing without the authority and imprimatur of the CVA. They own nothing. They are mere tenants. Without the CVA's protection, and the slave armies it will call to defend not them but rather the territories it rules through them, they are nothing. Yet without them the CVA itself would be immeasurably weaker. This must be recognised. The CVA's battle thralls, mining slaves and bounty hunters underpin and prop up its regime in Providence. They fuel and participate in its new offensive into the Catch region. We understand that the vassals are the weak point as well as the strength of the CVA slave empire. They must be attacked and weakened to in turn weaken the brute blood beast that is the tyrant regime of Providence. The Freecaptains of the Star Fraction will wage guerilla war against the vassals that serve as a willing black gang in the engine room of the CVA's vast slave barque. If the stokers continue to collaborate then they must be deprived of their fuel and ultimately their living. Therefore, Operation Black Lustrum, in which the Star Fraction will wage war against the economic and industrial base of our targets. Our objectives and metrics will reflect that focus. For the Freecaptains of the Star Fraction the crude measure of ship kills and losses will only serve as a general indicator and in no way be relied upon to establish victory or defeat in this campaign. For our part, the Star Fraction will use the measures provided by the new technologies of the Outer Worlds. In particular, the development indices pertaining to military and industrial activity serve as keen and acute indicators of the economic health of a territory and the alliance that administers it. As has been alluded to elsewhere, the Star Fraction has carried out exploratory raiding, using a variety of techniques, to determine the extent to which these indices reflect the reality of military and economic activity in space. We can report that they are indeed accurate. Shortly after the installation of infrastructure hubs in Sev3rance space, the industrial index in the refinery outpost and ice-mining system of E-YMCL stood at level 5. Before beginning our exploratory operations, a 'Phase Zero' if you will, we determined that this remained the case on 111.12.10. By 112.01.16, after light raiding across the period by the Star Fraction, the industrial index in E-YMCL had dropped to level 4. By 112.01.18, it had dropped again to level 3, where it now stands. [conts...]
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.25 13:11:00 - [2] [...contd] Figure: Sev3rance XV7L-S Constellation Development Indices (112.01.25) We are claiming no victory of any kind at this time. We merely note the observable effect and out of balance we must also note that some mining has shifted to the TU-O0T system, site of a recently-constructed outpost. What is clear is that relatively light pressure has considerably curtailed mining in E-YMCL, particularly ice-mining, which cannot reflect a shift to TU-O0T as it has no ice belt. Whether or not the Star Fraction can intensify this pressure, leading to further and lasting drops in the indices will be the measure of our success in Phase One of Operation Black Lustrum. The Freecaptains of the Star Fraction will continue to operate out of Kamela system as well as other bases in the general vicinity. The tendency of the Providence bloc to reave out into the warzone in support of its Amarr militia allies is well-established. While our formal involvement in the militia wars through sustained sanctioned warfare is over for now, we retain the capability to strike at will and shall not turn our backs on the true friends we have made in the ranks of the Minmatar freedom fighters. The Amarr Empire is a many-headed hydra and while it is true that its heart is well-protected, and it grows new and more grotesque heads even as the old ones are lopped off, we who oppose the Amarr regime and the thugs and gangsters inspired by its villainy may hope to wither it and work towards the day the beast may be extirpated once and for all. The Freecaptains of the Star Fraction ~ if God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him ~ The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.25 14:07:00 - [3] For a moment there, I had this intense feeling of what the Gallenteans refer to as deja vu. But then I realised that we really have been here before, when SF launched its "Operation Terminus Est". I am sure that Sev3rance will prevail this time as they did the last. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.25 14:43:00 - [4] In another place, a question was asked which has some relevance to this campaign. Originally by: A simple question with a simple answer I have a question. If we attained (this is entirely theoretical) blue standing with CVA, would we then be marked red? The answer to this is: No. The standings of one party to other parties are not in and of themselves reasons to set anyone red so far as the Star Fraction is concerned. The critical dimension for the Star Fraction is the actions a given entity takes, not who they happen to be friends or enemies with. If friends and clients of the CVA and their 'Holder' vassals take hostile actions against us, we will set them red. If they pass intelligence about us to our enemies, we will set them red. If they are established as providing active support for the CVA and its vassals we reserve the right to set them red with 24 hours notice. Note that we do not consider trade and similar business activities as support for this purpose. If entities are merely neutral or peaceful blues of the CVA and its allies, take no hostile action against us and do not provide active support for CVA and 'Holder' operations they will be left as neutrals and in peace. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.25 15:05:00 - [5] I hope that you will explain the term 'spurious correlation' to ms. Constantine before she takes the stand to boast about campaign results. Oh, why 'Black'? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.25 15:18:00 - [6] Do some research into the roots of our political ideology and you should discover why it is 'Black Lustrum'. I'm not that surprised you don't understand the connection but it's a useful proof that for all your professions of seeking understanding you haven't troubled yourself to do the most basic research into political anarchism. As to 'spurious correlation', I think you need to inform yourself as to how development indices work. We're making no firm claims at this point but I can tell you that we will feel quite able to make claims as to our effect on our target if those indices drop further and consistently while we are purging them from their resource fields. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jakiin Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2010.01.25 15:32:00 - [7] Edited by: Jakiin on 25/01/2010 15:38:21 Edited by: Jakiin on 25/01/2010 15:35:43 Skimming the message. "We're attacking CVA Holders... Propaganda, propaganda, propaganda... We've attacked some people and now they're mining less. Well, at least they got to the point first and bored us with filler later. Normally it's the other way around. And hell, they even included some additional information! I have to hand it to you, Cosmo, you always were the most informative Fractioneer I knew." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.25 15:52:00 - [8] Be assured that the Star Fraction will continue to provide information and state our reasoning on various topics in the form and length that we deem suitable. We shall leave lurid and false propaganda fairy-tales to the likes of Merdaneth. He can caper madly down roads dug by others, dragging an ill-smelling and rubicund fish across the trail all he wishes. We shall smile, a little sadly, a little wryly, shake our heads and get on with more constructive work. I dare say those who don't like what we have to say will have to put up with further information and ideological releases from us as time goes on. Of course, they do have that vital freedom not to listen to fall back on if the impact of free-thinking on their nutshell cerebellums is too painful to bear. Not that they show much sign of listening even as they madly hoot and ululate their outrage that capsuleers, with powers of thought and action undreamt of by ancient philosophers, should presume to speak at greater length than a cigarette-packet wisecrack merchant. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.25 16:39:00 - [9] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Do some research into the roots of our political ideology and you should discover why it is 'Black Lustrum'. I'm not that surprised you don't understand the connection but it's a useful proof that for all your professions of seeking understanding you haven't troubled yourself to do the most basic research into political anarchism. It was a simple question. If I knew the answer I wouldn't need to ask the question now would I? You actually want me to research and speculate about the reason? I'll ask again: why 'Black'? Originally by: The Cosmopolite As to 'spurious correlation', I think you need to inform yourself as to how development indices work. We're making no firm claims at this point but I can tell you that we will feel quite able to make claims as to our effect on our target if those indices drop further and consistently while we are purging them from their resource fields. The whole universe does not revolve around Star Fraction. As you lack a control group or control condition, attributing any change to yourself is rather short-sighted. I hold no illusion that I, PIE or in fact any 24th Crusade corporation forced Jericho Fraction members leave their corp during your Operation Castrato. I believe that most people that left Jericho Fraction during that time did so for personal reasons, largely unrelated to any military or political pressure. It would suit ms. Constantine if she shows some humility in that respect. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.25 16:53:00 - [10] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 25/01/2010 16:55:09 In line with our philosophy, I have, so to speak, suggested a manner in which you may land a fish by your own efforts rather than relying on me to hand it to you. As for your remarks on correlation, we fully expect the kind of thing you are trying to suggest to be bruited about by our enemies. After all, the CVA would have us believe that their actions in Catch are purely and entirely coincidental in their provision of strategic aid to certain other entities. The number of people outside the circles of Amarrian paramilitarism and their allies who believes that is passing small. Just so will it be with the developmental indices. If they drop and remain low while we are driving our targets out of their resource-gathering zones then there is no 'spurious correlation', rather there is a direct and clearly established causal link. You and your friends will continually deny this. We know that. It will be 'we didn't want to mine', 'we didn't want to bounty hunt', 'we have better things to do, we don't need all that ISK, honest!' Well, you suck up that narcotic beverage and spray it about all you like. I am quite sure others will be able to make their own minds up when it comes to these metrics. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Lykouleon Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.01.25 17:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Rodj Blake I am sure that Sev3rance will prevail this time as they did the last. Because they're doing oh-so-very well aiding their allies in D-GTMI at the moment, right? Come now Rodj, why don't you undock and come on down for a visit to show them how to fight back properly? Welcome to the bloodbath Star Fraction, plenty of slaver haulers running away in fear for all of us to enjoy. Quote: CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again
Chungito Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.01.25 17:01:00 - [12] I'll be happy to hear the guns of Star Fraction once again.
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.01.25 17:03:00 - [13] My, but you people are tedious, aren't you? Meh. Good luck to Star Fraction in... whatever it is... that you're doing, I guess. -----
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.01.25 17:04:00 - [14] Well, this is gonna be interesting to watch. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2010.01.25 17:04:00 - [15] Best wishes to your new campaign Love. I have a feeling we will be closer at space soon enough. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Where love exists peace is victory and beauty is exulted. Where love does not then peace cannot exist, and vendetta is the only truth.
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.01.25 17:43:00 - [16] Good to see you fighting against provi-block again! Your timing is perfect! _____________________ For Tribe and Honour!
Jakiin Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2010.01.25 18:00:00 - [17] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Be assured that the Star Fraction will continue to provide information and state our reasoning on various topics in the form and length that we deem suitable. No, you (plural) will provide information to try and justify your reasoning. That's what I've seen Fractioneers do. You (Singular) will also do so, but actually provide some useful information from time to time. Quote: We shall leave lurid and false propaganda fairy-tales to the likes of Merdaneth. He can caper madly down roads dug by others, dragging an ill-smelling and rubicund fish across the trail all he wishes. We shall smile, a little sadly, a little wryly, shake our heads and get on with more constructive work. HA! I'm sorry, there's nothing I can say to this. It just reeks of the denial that I've come to expect from the freecaptains, a reek that warns any argument of fact will result in realizing you are not attempting to strike at logic firmly rooted in reality but instead floating about the realm of ego: Any strike will simply cause it to float the other way and it will dodge any attack with the fact that you cannot truly destroy something which has basis only in the self-satisfaction of its creator. That is what I have come to see Star Fraction ideology to be, with 'Free Space' and 'Anarchism' simply honey to attract the fools who have yet to realize that the Fraction has not to this day actually created anything of the sort. I'll admit though, you Cosmo have always managed to disguise the logic of the Fractioneers with a varnish of language that shines bright enough to distract people from the rotten wood beneath. At least for a time. Quote: Not that they show much sign of listening even as they madly hoot and ululate their outrage that capsuleers, with powers of thought and action undreamt of by ancient philosophers, should presume to speak at greater length than a cigarette-packet wisecrack merchant. Oh we don't mind at all. But we've yet to see anyone from the Fraction display powers of thought undreamt of by ancient philosophers. Hell, aside from a couple examples we've yet to see anyone with more power of thought than the cigarette-pack wisecrack merchant. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.25 18:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Jakiin That is what I have come to see Star Fraction ideology to be, with 'Free Space' and 'Anarchism' simply honey to attract the fools who have yet to realize that the Fraction has not to this day actually created anything of the sort. I believe you misunderstand our intent. Neither Free Space nor Anarchy are things to be created, they are the natural state of the universe that some of us feel deserve to be restored. There is much still to be done, true. But focusing on what we have not done over the past 5 years seems foolish when you consider the enormity of what we can do over the coming eternity.
GanSho Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.01.25 18:28:00 - [19] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Therefore, Operation Black Lustrum, in which the Star Fraction will wage war against the economic and industrial base of our targets. Our objectives and metrics will reflect that focus. For the Freecaptains of the Star Fraction the crude measure of ship kills and losses will only serve as a general indicator and in no way be relied upon to establish victory or defeat in this campaign. For our part, the Star Fraction will use the measures provided by the new technologies of the Outer Worlds. In particular, the development indices pertaining to military and industrial activity serve as keen and acute indicators of the economic health of a territory and the alliance that administers it. Wait a second. Just so I get this straight: You are claiming the developement indices of a System accurately reflect the economic health of an Alliance as well as their capabillity of "standing alone"? How many Systems with indices does The Star Fraction hold today and what does this say about their economic health? But let's just assume for a moment, that those indices would really mean anything to us (it's not that we haven't survived in our Systems until they have been introduced recently, but hey... ): How the hell do you want to measure victory or defeat, when there is a vast variety of other reasons for a drop in the economic indices than ominous phantom commandos from The Star Fraction? How do you want to measure victory, if you don't even hold Systems yourself, where we could drop your economic indices? I mean, even if all our indices are going down to zero, you would just have reached a draw. I could also announce a campaign against The Star Fraction, claiming to be measuring victory by the amount of times the Sun on KBP7-G Planet 7 goes down at dusk... But fine, if you want to "drop" our economic indices, feel free to "do" so. I'm sure we will failcascade immediately and abandon all our Systems after you have broken our "economic backbone". ______________
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.01.25 18:48:00 - [20] I wish you all the best and its a welcome sight to see you back in action against the slavers . (fist)
Orokar Blane Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.01.25 18:54:00 - [21] Freedom and brotherhood, warriors I salute you!
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.25 18:59:00 - [22] Originally by: GanSho You are claiming the developement indices of a System accurately reflect the economic health of an Alliance as well as their capabillity of "standing alone"? It is evident that such indices reflect the economic health of a territorial alliance. If they are high, they are making money from resources such as asteroid and ice belts or bounty hunting against local non-capsuleer pirates. If they are low, they are making less money through these means. Further, those indices must be high in order to install and benefit from the highest levels of military or industrial infrastructure upgrades. Trying to pretend that these indices do not matter to you is not very convincing. Particularly given the costs you daily incur with the upkeep of all your systems. By all means keep howling at the moon that it's not so. It's expected. But don't imagine that it will fool anyone. You are also quite welcome to announce a campaign against us measuring victory based on the sunset times on KBP7-G VII. People will simply have to make up their minds as to how relevant such a measure is. Just as they will have to make up their minds in the case of our measure. One thing is for sure, your miners being driven out of your belts by us contributes significantly to the industrial index dropping and that is what we shall be monitoring in Phase One of Operation Black Lustrum. You are, of course, free to try and stop us by any means at your disposal. I suggest action in space would be better and more profitable to your interests as a territorial alliance than trying to quibble over clear and objective measures that are universally available for all to look at without distortion by either side. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
GanSho Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.01.25 19:47:00 - [23] Originally by: The Cosmopolite It is evident that such indices reflect the economic health of a territorial alliance. If they are high, they are making money from resources such as asteroid and ice belts or bounty hunting against local non-capsuleer pirates. If they are low, they are making less money through these means. Further, those indices must be high in order to install and benefit from the highest levels of military or industrial infrastructure upgrades. Trying to pretend that these indices do not matter to you is not very convincing. Particularly given the costs you daily incur with the upkeep of all your systems. By all means keep howling at the moon that it's not so. It's expected. But don't imagine that it will fool anyone. You are missing the point. If we want, we can always hunt ncp's or mine minerals with the same efficiency in another System, even if it's index is at zero. The upkeep of our Systems is not in any way tied to the amount of ncp-hunting or mining our Pilots do, for exactly the reason that it won't always be possible to do that due to Alliance operations. We see the industrial indices as a variable that merely shows the non-combat activity in our systems, not as something we must "keep up at top levels!" at all costs. If the index drops, the Upgrades don't get destroyed, they just deactivate themselves and can easily be reactivated as soon as the activity increases again (why should we strive for a high level of industrial index, if theres nobody there who's mining? ). Of course you can keep "howling at the moon" that it's not so. I wouldn't expect anything else from you. I for one have the comfort of knowing where our ISK come from and that it has nothing to do with "belt-hunting", wich everyone who checks our member corporation fees would immediately realize... Quote: You are also quite welcome to announce a campaign against us measuring victory based on the sunset times on KBP7-G VII. People will simply have to make up their minds as to how relevant such a measure is. Just as they will have to make up their minds in the case of our measure. One thing is for sure, your miners being driven out of your belts by us contributes significantly to the industrial index dropping and that is what we shall be monitoring in Phase One of Operation Black Lustrum. You are, of course, free to try and stop us by any means at your disposal. I suggest action in space would be better and more profitable to your interests as a territorial alliance than trying to quibble over clear and objective measures that are universally available for all to look at without distortion by either side. No, we won't try to "stop you from dropping our indices", because as I said it is nothing we have direct control over; the vast majority of pilots who are responsible for keeping the index up aren't even in our Alliance. If they decide (for whatever reason - and I hope everyone realizes that you can always claim "your pilots" being responsible, even if the true resons are something else entirely) to relocate to another System in Providence to mine and hunt in, then there's nothing we can do about that. I promise you however, that there will be plenty of action in space if The Star Fractions pilots are brave enough to hit the uncloak button every now and then... ______________
Jakiin Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2010.01.25 20:19:00 - [24] Edited by: Jakiin on 25/01/2010 20:21:44 Originally by: ChipMo There is much still to be done, true. But focusing on what we have not done over the past 5 years seems foolish when you consider the enormity of what we can do over the coming eternity. I disagree. Focusing on what you have not done seems to me to make perfect sense. Generally speaking if you continue to fail to do something for several years then chances are you are not prone to succeeding in it in the future. When compared to CVA, who have succesfully done exactly what they wanted to do for the past five years, it becomes hard to believe that I should instead be thinking of all the things the Fractioneers might possibly do in the future. Hell, you've got eternity. If I'm to think you might actually succeed in the formation of free space, I might as well think that by that time we'll have converted you to Amarr, the wars will be over, and the cluster unified by God will be working on opening up that EVE gate to try and get at the rest of the universe. Naturally by that time definition of 'Free Space' will have changed. But hell, anything can happen in a few millenia. Addendum: This argument of 'Well we can still do it in the future' is doubly hilarious when I recall the many times that Constantine has declared a pilot to be of no worth because of their lack of past achievment. To be fair though, she was calling them worthless because they disagreed with her and the lack of achievment was just an excuse, but still. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.25 21:43:00 - [25] Cosmopolite, as I understand it one of the objectives of the current Star Fraction campaign is to lower the indices of Severance systems. You see the reduction of activity as a reduction of economic health of the Severance organization and the reduction of their economic health is a campaign objective. Mr. GanSho claims that alliance expenses are covered by means other than the activities which are reflected in the indices. He furthermore suggest that the indices simply reflect the amount of activity. So, the question becomes what does a certain amount of activity really reflect? I do not know about you Cosmopolite, but from my experience my own industrial and military activities (as measured by the indices) dropped as I grew richer. Low indices would be a great indicator of me doing well for myself! I do not know when the last time was you went out mining or hunting for Concord-bountied rats, but my estimation is that it is a rare activity for you as well. We both are examples of low activity reflecting economic prosperity, and not crisis. I believe that as soon as Severance pilots grows more prosperous, they would subcontract these jobs to other entities and go off to fight glorious battle supporting CVA to expand they Empire. Instead of attacking just Severance, you can attack the territory in question, and make it your goal that no one is able to mine or destroy Sansha pirate bases there. Assuming there were many pilots willing to employ activities there if it were peaceful, your campaign may succeed to 'close off space' to general economic development by free entrepeneurs. This will pose some difficulties for your NRDS policy, since Providence is in effect Freespace and admits all kinds of pilots, effectively forcing you to adapt the UK NRDS policy: everyone in Providence is a hostile unless proven otherwise. Also, it would seem kind of odd for you trying to wage war to get a part of space closed to general economic development considering your Freespace philosophy. I would suggest changing your campaign goals, changing your strategy, changing your philosophy or a combination of these three. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.25 21:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Jakiin Edited by: Jakiin on 25/01/2010 20:21:44 I disagree. Focusing on what you have not done seems to me to make perfect sense. Generally speaking if you continue to fail to do something for several years then chances are you are not prone to succeeding in it in the future. When compared to CVA, who have succesfully done exactly what they wanted to do for the past five years, it becomes hard to believe that I should instead be thinking of all the things the Fractioneers might possibly do in the future. For one to fail they must first have given up. The launch of this new campaign clearly shows we are still actively perusing our goals... Some campaigns have been unsuccessful, some have aided our cause but ultimately we are still here fighting for what we believe in. We are better equipped and more skilled, and improving our tactics and strategies all the time. We only need one Revolution. The CVA must defend their boarders for an eternity against countless wars. Would you really gamble against those odds? Their demise is just a matter of time, as it is for all territorial empires. Originally by: Jakiin Hell, you've got eternity. If I'm to think you might actually succeed in the formation of free space, I might as well think that by that time we'll have converted you to Amarr, the wars will be over, and the cluster unified by God will be working on opening up that EVE gate to try and get at the rest of the universe. Naturally by that time definition of 'Free Space' will have changed. But hell, anything can happen in a few millenia. First, you still do not understand what we mean when we say "Free Space". It is not some thing we create or impose on the universe, quite the contrary. Our objective is the removal of boarders and obstructions toward travel and, well 'freedom' (that word gets banded around here a lot so I hesitate to use it). Second, I'm rather taken a back that you do not believe that the Amarr reclamation / conversion will be successful. As an ideological war, or one of faith, I take it I am already the victor? Originally by: Jakiin Addendum: This argument of 'Well we can still do it in the future' is doubly hilarious when I recall the many times that Constantine has declared a pilot to be of no worth because of their lack of past achievment. To be fair though, she was calling them worthless because they disagreed with her and the lack of achievment was just an excuse, but still. The differance between an organization like ours and those university patsies used as mouth pieces is that we are constantly driving towards our goals - in space, they do nothing but spout other peoples meme's at this summit. I will never underestimate a young capsuleers potential, especially in space. Jade is free to do as she pleases.
Titus Balls Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.01.25 21:49:00 - [27] Welcome brothers - this is the first time we will meet on the battlefields of Catch and Providence, but any enemy of my enemy is my friend. I look forward to fighting alongside you to defeat those that use their 'god' as their excuse for their evil, greedy and abhorrent slave trade. (fist)
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.25 21:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Merdaneth Instead of attacking just Severance, you can attack the territory in question, and make it your goal that no one is able to mine or destroy Sansha pirate bases there. Assuming there were many pilots willing to employ activities there if it were peaceful, your campaign may succeed to 'close off space' to general economic development by free entrepeneurs. This will pose some difficulties for your NRDS policy, since Providence is in effect Freespace and admits all kinds of pilots, effectively forcing you to adapt the UK NRDS policy: everyone in Providence is a hostile unless proven otherwise. Also, it would seem kind of odd for you trying to wage war to get a part of space closed to general economic development considering your Freespace philosophy. Providence is not free space. Our RoE is unchanged. If you are not red you will not be shot. End of.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.01.25 21:56:00 - [29] I understand how the indices work. I understand that upgrades your alliance have paid for become unavailable for your use as we depress those indices by suppressing your resource-gatherers. I am quite aware the upgrades are not instantly destroyed when indices drop. However, I don't think I believe that anyone can be particularly satisfied at having paid for an upgrade at a certain level only to find it deactivated and not available for their use because the relevant developmental index has fallen. I understand also that the claim that the level of those indices is out of your alliance's control is total piffle. It is very much in your power to affect those indices. The pretence that Sev3rance has no interest in them is amusing but doesn't wash. Certainly the activities that are reflected in the indices are ones that Sev3rance pilots show a desire to engage in on a regular basis, if they can. Now, if you disagree with our campaign metric, that's up to you. We're going to continue using it and I believe you have a campaign of your own that uses the combat database measure that so obsesses you. Perhaps you should simply concentrate on that instead of constantly trying to argue that independently administered developmental indices directly related to economic activity in your territory are of no relevance in the assessment of our impact. For a territorial alliance to seriously argue that it has no interest in utilising resources in its territory is, though, a novelty for me. I am not sure what all those alliance members are doing playing mining lasers over rock and ice, or shooting at non-capsuleer pirates in belts and complexes, if it is not in part for economic purposes but if Sev3rance say it has nothing to do with gathering raw materials or generating ISK then I suppose we will have to bear that claim in mind. I suppose it is interesting that this is a territorial alliance apparently paying upkeep and installing upgrades designed to provide mining opportunities that are, presumably, for the entertainment of those exhumer and barge owners I see in the alliance. Interesting but a rather incredible notion. We will stick to our campaign methods and goals, without any alteration to our rules of engagement or fundamental principles, and see how things turn out. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Louella Dougans Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.01.25 22:17:00 - [30] does the name "Black Lustrum" have a particular symbolic meaning? Be A Space Nun! It's Fun!!

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