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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.02.05 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Revan Neferis on 05/02/2010 16:14:57
 Originally by: Xina Tutor
Which is as I suspect. The idea of freedom here is no rules at all... It's completely lawless space where everyone does as they wish and the only pilots who are 'free' are the one's with the best ship at the time or the biggest gang. Freedom for a moment. In this situation, only some god of myth would be truly free.
The idea of freedom is simple really: your freedom starts and ends at limits you can manage. It's my freedom to set my faith at war with you if I so desire. Now, it's your freedom to resist it.
No boundaries, no rules are needed to understand such simple motions. It's how the Universe operates.
Strong people deserving of life needs no laws. Your right ends where the right of one more powerful than you starts.
It's very beautiful. Leaves you no option but to succeed or die and give space to the universe to replace a worthless existence with something better perhaps.
But I see that the Sani Sabik concept of Right is Might, as a Faith, is not an easy thing to grasp unless in practical terms.
I'll show you the way.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.05 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Xina Tutor
Which is as I suspect. The idea of freedom here is no rules at all... It's completely lawless space where everyone does as they wish and the only pilots who are 'free' are the one's with the best ship at the time or the biggest gang. Freedom for a moment. In this situation, only some god of myth would be truly free.
I encourage you read the article linked in my signature. It will help you understand what you are talking about.
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We have plenty of words writen against us, yet few who dare to show us a better path with action. Just words. We have only these would-be armchair godlings who can only suggest giving New Eden more lawless space just as all the rest.
Rules and laws are corrupt Xina Tutor. The moment you accepted domination from CVA and submitted to their standings list you actively aided their coruption. The only true freedom comes from sovereign individuals making arrangements of mutual self interest. The moment you presume to protect another's "freedoms" with main force and laws you are making them your slave - since they become follow dependent on your mercy. We have seen this happen time and time again under the CVA's dominion of Providence. It is the very reason that Star Fraction is fighting Sev3rance now. You were forced into attacking our shipping by the CVA. You didn't make a conscious decision to do it - you didn't negotiate or assess the risk. You shot us because they told you to shoot us. You acted like a slave and did what you were told. Now you are dying like slaves because you didn't have the courage to stand up on your two legs and tell Aralis "no more!"
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You should at least understand that real freedom for the majority will have limits set upon the individual.
I condemn this concept as worthless and evil.
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And. As a final thought. We have already won. Yes, that is correct. Even if we should vanish from New Eden tomorrow, we shall know that we have indeed achieved that dream. We set out with a mission, and we have given New Eden our vision. This is something that can never be taken away.
What I will remember of Sev3rance is simply this:
One day in lowsec a Star Fraction frigate was attacked by a previously neutral alliance. No reason was given, no words were exchanged - still aggression log was posted and diplomatic adjustment was made. After all, there are many pirates in New Eden and this is a risk of travel beyond the core.
Some months later we discovered that the reason the attack was made was that the CVA diplomat in the Citadel intel channel returned that Star Fraction were themselves "pirates" and any resident or friend of providence should shoot us on sight. Sev3rance as "good friends" of Providence did the bidding of the man from the CVA.
This simple act was the beginning of a butterfly effect that led to a war of great ferocity and destruction and ended years later with a flight from nullsec and destruction of all the flimsy dreams that slaves can have while obeying the will of a stronger master.
If only will be your memorial phrase Xina Tutor
If only you had made your own decisions
If only you had not listened to the CVA lies
If only you had cared to find out that the Fraction were not "pirates", that we were set red by the CVA because we oppose their slavery and corruption
If only you truly had the courage to dream of a better future
If only you had the courage to think of freespace beyond the false simplicity of rules and proceedures that promise much but only bind you enduringly to the control of another evil power.
True Knowledge |
Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.05 16:28:00 -
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More words from Jade as well, I see.
Jade of course claims that Star Fraction has lowered indices, ignoring the fact that their new masters, a real alliance, has been keeping pilots busy elsewhere. But I'm sure Star Fraction need these little victories.
A victory in text only. We still wait to see this freedom in practice.
And let us not forget we are all indeed slaves in one for or another. Each pilot is a slave to the society they choose to work within. I certainly have no difficulty being called a slave in this case.
A Star Fraction pilot is as much a slave as any if they wish to fly under this banner. They fly as Jade Constantine demands, under her rules of engagement, or they do not fly for her. They fly under a set of rules. And yet they still claim freedom.
The definition of a slave is indeed a very flexble one. One might also define the same actions as friendship and loyalty. And this is how I choose to see it. I am sure Jade uses such terms as well as she sees fit. You can be certain Star Fraction pilots are never referred to as slaves, and yet they fly freely for their dictator. For no income.
Jade may call us slaves if she wishes. It matters not.
Our vision is achieved. It is historical record.
Now let us see the vision of Star Fraction. Or do they continue on the easy road?
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.05 16:38:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 05/02/2010 16:14:57
Originally by: Xina Tutor
Which is as I suspect. The idea of freedom here is no rules at all... It's completely lawless space where everyone does as they wish and the only pilots who are 'free' are the one's with the best ship at the time or the biggest gang. Freedom for a moment. In this situation, only some god of myth would be truly free.
The idea of freedom is simple really: your freedom starts and ends at limits you can manage. It's my freedom to set my faith at war with you if I so desire. Now, it's your freedom to resist it.
No boundaries, no rules are needed to understand such simple motions. It's how the Universe operates.
Strong people deserving of life needs no laws. Your right ends where the right of one more powerful than you starts.
It's very beautiful. Leaves you no option but to succeed or die and give space to the universe to replace a worthless existence with something better perhaps.
But I see that the Sani Sabik concept of Right is Might, as a Faith, is not an easy thing to grasp unless in practical terms.
I'll show you the way.
Thank you dearly. You say it all right here.
See... here is the difference. We offer freedom to the weak as well.
This is why we have succeeded while others continue to dream.
More than ever I am so proud to have been a part of this. Providence will shine forever as a beacon of hope and light throughout New Eden.
Again thank you.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2010.02.05 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xina Tutor
Thank you dearly. You say it all right here.
See... here is the difference. We offer freedom to the weak as well.
Why? And how you do this, offer freedom to someone who can't have it?
If they are weak, their supposed freedom depends of YOUR supposed willingness to give them.
They are not free, they are dependant of someone stronger.
Isn't the chaos in Providence now showing you exactly that?
Originally by: Xina Tutor
This is why we have succeeded while others continue to dream.
Where is this sucess you say you have achieved? Your home is burning, you are fleeing. Not by your will, because you must.
Because you have given your "freedom" to be self-sufficient, in exchange of your freedom to be dependant of CVA's fate.
See, it was an option after all. If that's the measure of your success, i can see it.
Originally by: Xina Tutor
More than ever I am so proud to have been a part of this. Providence will shine forever as a beacon of hope and light throughout New Eden.
Again thank you.
I think Providence will be remembered by what it was exactly and it's far from a beacon of any hope and any light. It was a business venture set by a dictatorship that worked perfectly well until interests were no more.
The irony of this all is that I endorse CVA last moves of paying no care to their pets and leaving the weak to their own fate.
They show a Sani Sabik spirit right there.
And you're welcome.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.05 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I encourage you read the article linked in my signature. It will help you understand what you are talking about.
Oh dear. Sorry. You don't honestly think pilots read more than a fraction of your posts and little to none of your writing in general.
I'm sorry, really. I glaze over after a few lines. I live in a very different world I fear. Simply put, I live in the real universe. I don't know, or really care, where you live.
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I condemn this concept as worthless and evil.
And thank you. You have defined your position well, and as expected. Your freedom is simply lawlessness. It is the freedom of the gun, a freedom which will see that the weak are always the first to die. This is a concept that your masters believe in as well.
It is the easy path. I won't call it the 'dark side' simply because not all pilots have what it takes to walk the harder roads. Some pilots need to take an easier way.
Perhaps your new Masters will let you administer some space and you can let it be 'free'... for everyone to shoot each other.
What an amazing new concept that would be.
And yes, by declaring your war at this time, alongside UK as -a- chooses to attack, you have indeed become an -a- pet.
Oh dear, the irony of that.
And while the vultures do still circle, one should note that we are still actually there. And will be for some time.
We did move out hundreds of freighters, by the way. They were full of isk, of course. I wonder what that will be used for?
I was thinking real estate in Jita...
Anyway, I'm going planetside a couple of days with my very special Gallente girlfriend. Have a nice time under the thumb while I am away... Slave to the big 'A', heh...
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.05 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Xina Tutor
Oh dear. Sorry. You don't honestly think pilots read more than a fraction of your posts and little to none of your writing in general.
Mindless slaves and stupid people certainly don't. This much remains constant throughout the years. The words there are too painful for those subordinate to anothers authority for their very breath and sustenance to read. But if you are unprepared to actually understand anothers debating position then why are you here posting words on the IGS when you should be fighting for your failing "dream", really what purpose does it serve?
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And thank you. You have defined your position well, and as expected. Your freedom is simply lawlessness. It is the freedom of the gun, a freedom which will see that the weak are always the first to die. This is a concept that your masters believe in as well.
Capsule pilots are only weak when they choose to be. Some wallow in their weakness and use it as an excuse to submit to stronger men, some use it as an excuse for their own crimes. You, for example, are not strong enough to take responsibility for setting your own standings so it is never "your fault" when you shoot an ideological enemy of the CVA who has never once commited an act of aggression against the neutrals of Providence. So you see how what you believe to be "lawful and just" is simply corrupt and cowardly when placed under the microscope of real political interaction in the star cluster.
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And yes, by declaring your war at this time, alongside UK as -a- chooses to attack, you have indeed become an -a- pet.
We declared war on you simply to make the business of your evactuation a little more painful. That is all it is. Our campaign continues to use your mining indices as primary measure of our success or failure. They will determine if we declare victory or defeat in operation Black Lustrum in time to come.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.06 17:21:00 -
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XV7L-S Developmental Indices Update
Figure: Sev3rance XV7L-S Constellation Development Indices (112.02.06)
We have seen further Industry Index changes: in E-YCML, dropping from level 2 to level 1, since 112.01.29 and in TU-O0T, dropping from level 1 to level 0 in the same period. Sev3rance mining has ground to a halt, with the few persistent barge owners in the alliance being tracked down and destroyed or driven from the belts.
The Star Fraction must of course also acknowledge that the radically changed political and military situation in Providence has an impact. Sev3rance is in complete disarray and has evacuated many assets. Even starbases are being dismantled and Star Fraction fighters have destroyed starbase structures in the holds of the very industrial vessels taking them down. The continuing absence of adequate defence fleets in Sev3rance space is notable.
In order to facilitate our attacks on fleeing Sev3rance ships, the Star Fraction has activated a CONCORD war against our target alliance. We view this merely as a means to an end with no particular political resonance.
The campaign continues. It may turn out to be overtaken by events but the conduct of the campaign and the achievements made thus far have been satisfactory.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Samuel Cole
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Samuel Cole on 06/02/2010 19:07:21
Originally by: Xina Tutor
A Star Fraction pilot is as much a slave as any if they wish to fly under this banner. They fly as Jade Constantine demands, under her rules of engagement, or they do not fly for her. They fly under a set of rules. And yet they still claim freedom.
This statement is simply false, and it demonstrates that Severance can't discern the difference between leadership and oppression.
I have flown with The Star Fraction for nearly a year. In that time, I have seen numerous pilots benefit from the Fraction's culture of empowerment. I have seen every single major decision of the alliance made by general vote. I have seen Fraction leadership boldly propose new visions to the community and I have seen several of those visions flat-out rejected by the general membership.
I have seen Free Captains leave of their own volition when their paths parted ways with ours, and I have seen them welcomed back without prejudice months, or even years, later. I have seen minority opinions valued, dissenters honored, and the sovereignty of the individual held sacred above all.
The Star Fraction's ethos permeates every facet of its existence, from the wars it conducts to the rules of engagement it follows to the manner in which it governs itself. This is something called integrity, Ms. Tutor, and it is the reason why the Fraction inspires such loyalty among its pilots.
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Ituralde
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.02.06 23:05:00 -
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Providence complaining about getting outnumbered.
I think I've seen everything now.
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Fear is the mind-killer.
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Major Templar
Caldari
KINGS OF EDEN
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.06 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Even starbases are being dismantled and Star Fraction fighters have destroyed starbase structures in the holds of the very industrial vessels taking them down.
And your own in Dital, are we just going to ignore the fact that it is now reinforced?
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
The continuing absence of adequate defence fleets in Sev3rance space is notable.
Ah, but to be able to defend space and fire on an enemy one must first be able to target them and one can not target what will not uncloak. Learn to uncloak and then come back and you will see the forces there targeting and firing on you.
Major Templar
Head of Armed Forces
Kings Of Eden
Sev3rance |
ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.06 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Major Templar
And your own in Dital, are we just going to ignore the fact that it is now reinforced?
Well, I already killed one of yours, we will see what happens to ours tomorrow 
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Sofia Roseburn
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.06 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Major Templar
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Even starbases are being dismantled and Star Fraction fighters have destroyed starbase structures in the holds of the very industrial vessels taking them down.
And your own in Dital, are we just going to ignore the fact that it is now reinforced?
It's not dead till it's dead. Whilst I can relate to your arrogance, I wouldn't be so certain about the outcome of your endeavour.
Originally by: Major Templar
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
The continuing absence of adequate defence fleets in Sev3rance space is notable.
Ah, but to be able to defend space and fire on an enemy one must first be able to target them and one can not target what will not uncloak. Learn to uncloak and then come back and you will see the forces there targeting and firing on you.
That's your problem, not ours. If you are so desperate to target these "cloaked" ships then decloak them yourself.
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Major Templar
Caldari
KINGS OF EDEN
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.07 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: ChipMo
Well, I already killed one of yours, we will see what happens to ours tomorrow
I believe that I have a few of your corpses in my Hangar, I will give it a little extra lovin tonight for ya.
Originally by: Sofia Roseburn
That's your problem, not ours. If you are so desperate to target these "cloaked" ships then decloak them yourself.
Well how about this, you never uncloak, thus making it where we can not kill you. I can deal with that, but then your mission fails, and my guys keep ratting at will. :)
Major Templar
Head of Armed Forces
Kings Of Eden
Sev3rance |
Sofia Roseburn
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.07 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Major Templar
Originally by: Sofia Roseburn
That's your problem, not ours. If you are so desperate to target these "cloaked" ships then decloak them yourself.
Well how about this, you never uncloak, thus making it where we can not kill you. I can deal with that, but then your mission fails, and my guys keep ratting at will. :)
Sure. I think it's in your best interests to make use of the space that you live in while you can. Remember, the Star Fraction isn't the only entity that you shoot on sight that's taking a look around Providence.
That said, I appreciate the fact that you feel the need to take the time to announce that we are not affecting you in the slightest.
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Major Templar
Caldari
KINGS OF EDEN
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.07 02:08:00 -
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I believe I will cut this debate back and forth short and let my guns speak for themselves. See you on the battlefield and see you in my sights.
Major Templar
Head of Armed Forces
Kings Of Eden
Sev3rance |
Snakester
Caldari
IronPig
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.07 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
What I will remember of Sev3rance is simply this:
One day in lowsec a Star Fraction frigate was attacked by a previously neutral alliance. No reason was given, no words were exchanged - still aggression log was posted and diplomatic adjustment was made. After all, there are many pirates in New Eden and this is a risk of travel beyond the core.
Some months later we discovered that the reason the attack was made was that the CVA diplomat in the Citadel intel channel returned that Star Fraction were themselves "pirates" and any resident or friend of providence should shoot us on sight. Sev3rance as "good friends" of Providence did the bidding of the man from the CVA.
This simple act was the beginning of a butterfly effect that led to a war of great ferocity and destruction and ended years later with a flight from nullsec and destruction of all the flimsy dreams that slaves can have while obeying the will of a stronger master.
Now, i'll tell this story from my point of view, it was lowsec , sukanan constellation, -7- was an anti pirate alliance who patrolled this lowsec mission running haven, so good infact regualary u would see 80-100 people doing missions in one of the systems there, this constellation was also once patrolled by legion of spoon, -7- founding corps and spoon became close friends, when spoon joined cva the freindship was extended from alliance too alliance, remember that word there freindship.
Roll on to this incident, yes indeed -7- did have access to citadel channel, but also we had our own sukanan defence channel, over this channel came news that a SF pilot was shooting on a CVA member and killed him, so a camp was set up to catch this sf pilot where he was caught and killed, Dreamy from MLH corp in -7- was our pilot who helped his friends in cva.
Now, jade bandys about this thing called Standings Enclosurism, which he states is cva tells us who is red or not etc etc, where instead we can also file our own reds into the CVA koschecker and where they then become red to cva as all the holders can indeed do, this is hardly cva having sway over us etc etc, -7- actually has corps/alliances blue what are red too cva.
The main difference between SF's NRDS and our NRDS is that ours lets us help our friends where a SF pilot will stand there and watch u die if the person attacking you is neutral to them.This is where we get the saying " if you have friends like them, you don't need enemy's".
They have also got a very long memory cos the came after us for this incident maybe one and a half too two years later in there "terminus est " campaign, now this new campaign against us is because 2 of our pilots shot at a sf pilot who was in lowsec i dunno , maybe 7 months ago.
Love ya Jade and i'm still daring to wet dream!.
Snake.
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 07/02/2010 21:28:17
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The main difference between SF's NRDS and our NRDS is that ours lets us help our friends where a SF pilot will stand there and watch u die if the person attacking you is neutral to them.This is where we get the saying " if you have friends like them, you don't need enemy's".
The Star Fraction has a long history of sitting on gates with pirates so this shouldn't be a surprise. Oddly those pirates will not shoot the anarchists but shoot other innocent travellers. In return the anarchists don't shoot them calling them "neutral". You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours? How conveinent. Anarchists who claim to fight for freedom for all instead watch pirates, the worst oppressors in the universe, kill and maim the innocent. Yet these same anarchists will dive into wars with others calling them "oppressors". Hypocrisy? You decide.
Apparently the cause of "freedom" is subjective to the fractionists? After all they seem to apply it selectively.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE
ARCHBISHOP PORTAL |
Roderigo Borgia
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.07 21:53:00 -
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Everyone talks about freedom but surely freedom is the ability to do as you please without consequence? So for space to be free surely that means pirates are free to kill whoever they want whenever they want? Miners are free to mine whatever they want too, and be they pirate, miner or defence militia's, they all have a responsibility to ensure their own safety rather than rely on others as that reliance is a bond and works against a truly free state.
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 21:58:00 -
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they all have a responsibility to ensure their own safety rather than rely on others as that reliance is a bond and works against a truly free state.
I personally don't agree with the concept of "freedom" as God rules all. Still however you raise an interesting point that seems to indicate hypocrisy on the part of the Star Fraction. They frequently have claimed people should ensure their own safety (as they did in Mito where pirates "didn't shoot" them coincidently at gates). Yet recently they took part in wars against Amarr faction corporations and allied with the UK and others while screaming about "freedom" against the oppressive Amarrians. Why if they believe in people protecting themselves would they then fight on behalf of one group thus by default support one group? In their ideal world of freedom they would support NO group after all any support they give someone would be removing that persons responsibility to take care of themselves... as you put it.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE
ARCHBISHOP PORTAL |
Roderigo Borgia
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.08 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
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they all have a responsibility to ensure their own safety rather than rely on others as that reliance is a bond and works against a truly free state.
I personally don't agree with the concept of "freedom" as God rules all. Still however you raise an interesting point that seems to indicate hypocrisy on the part of the Star Fraction. They frequently have claimed people should ensure their own safety (as they did in Mito where pirates "didn't shoot" them coincidently at gates). Yet recently they took part in wars against Amarr faction corporations and allied with the UK and others while screaming about "freedom" against the oppressive Amarrians. Why if they believe in people protecting themselves would they then fight on behalf of one group thus by default support one group? In their ideal world of freedom they would support NO group after all any support they give someone would be removing that persons responsibility to take care of themselves... as you put it.
Archbishop
i think you missed the sharp pointy bit of my statement - free people can do what they wish - if that means cooperating with pirates then they are free to do so and logically will when working towards compatible objectives
And while i certainly cant speak on their behalf, the star fraction appear to be fighting because they are free to do so and want the slaves held by the amarr empire and there lapdogs cva to have the freedom to choose to be pirates, outlaws, buisness men, labourers, teachers etc... of there own volition rather than forced to do what the slavers wants
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Punx Evangeline
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.08 01:01:00 -
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Mr. Borgia,
You are correct.
-Punx
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 01:43:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Roderigo Borgia
i think you missed the sharp pointy bit of my statement - free people can do what they wish - if that means cooperating with pirates then they are free to do so and logically will when working towards compatible objectives
No.. it's okay.. we get it. We understand this position completely.
Each have their own concept of 'freedom'. The term is actually quite deceptive, and generally meaningless. in New Eden the closest a pilot may come to 'freedom' is to fly solo and shoot who they wish. Yet even such pilots suffer certain limits if they wish to survive. They still must opperate within our universe to continue to do as such. They must use it's markets and it's many other pilots and entities. They can function only through the indirect aid of others.
The Majority of pilots, however, suffer other restriction to their 'freedom'. But in all cases they choose to accept these restrictions of their own free will.
-A- defines freedom as the ability to shoot all within their space who are not blue to them. This is a freedom of anarchy which is very common throughout New Eden. But where is the 'freedom' of their pilots? They suffer restrictions as to whom they may shoot, just as any pilots in a corporation or alliance suffer. An -A- pilot may not shoot whoever they wish and stay in the alliance. They may only shoot those who are not blue. Their 'freedom' to act however they wish at any moment is restricted.
The restrictions, of course, are not great. This is the easy road, and flying with such an alliance certainly gives the pilot a greater sense of freedom. There are few difficult decisions, and space is easy to defend. It is no wonder the majority of alliances take this easy road. The alternatives are far too difficult for most, it would seem.
In Providence, the pilots take a more difficult path. We seek a 'freedom' for more than just ourselve and our friends. We seek a greater freedom which goes beyond this, one to extend the influence of the Empire into lawless space. Even these pilots who live by their NBSI policy in deep space still benefit from the open policy the Empire grants them in Empire space. Indeed we know they have freinds in nuetral corporations who benefit from the open policy in Providence. Yet they oppose this more open policy in lawless space.
I believe it is true that our space could be even more open, and recent changes to sovreighty regulations have certainly made this possible. It will certainly be our intention to continue to push for an open Providence. This will be a push for a form of 'freedom' which is far more difficult to accomplish and maintain.
It is a difficult path, and it is not one for all. We choose to accept these difficulties and these hard decisions. And we freely choose to join in this venture and accept the restrictions to our 'freedom' to bring about something larger than ourselves. And so I am indeed free, as free as any within New Eden, regardless of the ranting we see here.
Because, be honest here. The freedom -A- speaks of, and indeed UK and SF and the other pets, is a freedom for themselves only.
Extending beyond that is where the fun begins...
I should note also, regardless of my heritage, I am in fact not a religious fanatic. I will no longer describe myself as an atheist either. I am in fact a realist. I live within the real universe... and still retain this vision of 'freedom'. Although this may well be a holy crusade to many, and I respect such devotion to theit belief, it is also a very simple campaign against all the piracy of New Eden in all it's forms.
And so as difficult as our road may seem to others at times, the light ahead is very clear for us to see.
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.08 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Darveses on 08/02/2010 01:47:52
Originally by: Xina Tutor
UK and SF and the other pets
Did you really just say that? Am I the only one to see the irony?
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Darveses
Edited by: Darveses on 08/02/2010 01:47:52
Originally by: Xina Tutor
UK and SF and the other pets
Did you really just say that? Am I the only one to see the irony?
Certainly. Because I believe they are as much pets as are we. Take that how you will.
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Roderigo Borgia
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.08 02:06:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Xina Tutor
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I can tell you are an educated woman, a rare thing in many capsulears these days. You are correct that we live in a universe that has rules that cannot be denied, from the laws of physics down to how we pay for our ships. However the rules of how we interact with others are placed on us by non other than overselves, at least for the privalidged ones, and by this i mean the non slave population.
In choosing a path of forcing slaves to do their dirty work, the amarr empire and CVA have made enemies of those who beleive that everyone should have the right to chose there own actions.
you speak of freedom in providence, and extending that freedom to everyone by default, a laudable goal to be sure, though perhaps not for everyone ;), but you forget the slaves being whipped in your factories to build your ships and modules. Extend the freedom you speak of to these people and renounce CVA then you can sit out the war. If you desire this i would counsil you to have your leaders contact the -A- leadership and negoiate an independant peace.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.08 03:26:00 -
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Brief update here. Yesterday afternoon while 9UY was burning under combined Ushra'khan, -A- pressure Sev3rance alliance backed by a number of CVA logistics ships completed a successful assault on a Star Fraction medium black ops staging Tower in Dital System. Their initial force of 50+ Battleships was too powerful for the rapidly scrambled SF group of 25 Ship of the Line class combatants to over (even with the brief resistance of the tower guns adding fire on the Slavers). Star Fraction lost four battleships and the tower in this attack. In return we killed an Providence Battleship and a pair of logistics ships.
While the CVA executor Aralis gloried in the "great victory" over a hisec tower the Star Fraction downshiped to Annihilate class Cruisers and scourged Providence for a time taking a toll from the undefended systems north of 9UY.
After the Sev3rance force completed the destruction of the first SF Tower the Fraction decided to take a tactical risk and anchor a second large tower immediately while increasing the size of our Battleship group and calling for allied support from the Ushra'khan and Crimson Federation.
This was something of a risk.
About ten minutes into the anchoring process the Sev3rance/CVA/Cold Steel/Random Providence "neutral" remote rep team entered Dital and moved to range zero of our anchoring Tower and began to fire with everything they had.
Then followed some frantic preparations. Our allies came many jumps to bolster the 31 strong SF battlegroup and unified communications and battle orders shortly before the Providence group managed to reduce the tower to 10% shields.
The numbers were remarkably even with rough parity in battleship hulls and the offline tower providing zero in the way of fire support to the free-captains and their allies. Still time was getting short and we led a glorious assault on the enemy battleship group with our allies in warp beside us and striking beams and autocannons against the Providence rabble gathered to receive our charge.
Suffice to say it was an utter slaughter. Almost the entirety of the Providence battleship was was broken to bits in a short violent encounter that saw the fragility of Slaver group exposed and punished by the high damage volley power of the Fraction and our allies.
This was a true test of fleet power on fleet power and the Providence slaves were found wanting. We destroyed 30 enemy battleships in the initial fighting (more in the Providence retreat and others that were chased into the waiting jaws of the TLF in KBP). We not only saved the large tower and completed the deployment but we captured the batttlefield including around 2.5billion isk worth of salvage and modules for the scattered enemy group.
To put matters into perspective. In this one battle we took more material and equipment from the wrecks of our enemies than we have lost in the three different towers downed by Sev3rance in their campaign against our deployed system assets.
The scale of this victory was nothing short of crushing.
Yet to their credit Sev3rance returned again later in the evening after our combatants had stood down the main fleet, and incapacitated the weaponry on the new tower with another 80 man Providence group to set the scene for another epic battle in Dital when the reinforcement timer is over.
Still the enduring symbols of today:
The lonely and somewhat tragic image of CVA Executor Aralis driven from his capital system in 9UY and conducting an unsuccessful siege against an alliance less than a 1/10 of the size of his own forces and needing to flee like a whipped-dog from the field of battle.
Compared with with the heroics of the Ushra'khan, who straight from victory in 9UY were prepared to bring light and skirmish forces to Dital to support their allies and help us to a brilliant combined arms victory.
The cowardice and static folly of the CVA against the bright courage and vigor of the Ushra'khan.
Was a new wind blowing in providence
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Roderigo Borgia
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.08 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Brief update here.
Congratulations, Wish we could have been there - they wont fight in 9UY!
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 04:10:00 -
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It was nice to see Star Fraction dust off the Abaddons for a change. And they were indeed too much for the slightly lighter ships of the Sev3rance fleet for that period. I am dissapointed that I was sleeping as it would have been nice to finally face the fraction flying some real ships instead of taking a less risky option.
The new pos is up... and reinforced. But Jade and the guys have done a nice job repairing the weapons platforms there.
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Drakonido
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Posted - 2010.02.08 10:04:00 -
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its not about the isk you lost on the towers and gained on the loot, there is no need to permanently claim victory to
get your pilots somehow motivated. You had more then an hour to prepare a counterattack and you did well while we fell asleep on this large Tower.
Your "multipurpose Jade Constantine High DPS Abaddon Platform thingy" sorry i forgot the exact desciption you used, worked very good and UK / CRMSN also did their job. As well Stoogie and friends and the Minmatar Milita with a battlegroup also on the Dital Gate in KBP. You played your cards good this time, hope you dont forget to play them next time. Your neutral friend in SmartbombBS failed miserably as well as the neutral logistics you fielded in the beginning.
To be precise the combinded Providence forces like you called it contained 1 CVA (ok Aralis so you maybe feared this) and 3 STEEL Pilots.
The numbers are atm pretty equal as UK / SF and CRMSN wardecced us and work together so we face approx 1700 enemies with our 757, we should really start to complain beeing blobbed.
Anyways keep up the fight we have alot of "fat" to loose and many people to train.
"For the love of god please remove the freed slaves of your towers as we do not want to see them die in the explosion, they could be way better used for the maintainance of our Outposts.
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