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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.01.27 13:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Ko Shimin
[Wolf Fitting]...but for sure he ain't got a chance if he decides to stay and fight.
Originally by: Ko Shimin
Other frigate sized ships that can kill a dramiel: Navy Slicer, Daredevil, Taranis, Succubus, Claw, Ishkur and why not, even the Rifter?
You clearly have no idea what are you talking about. There are only few frig sized ships that can kill properly fitted dramiel in 1v1, and its dramiel pilot who chooses if he want to engage that ships or not...
Btw that wolf is lol, do you realize its slower than standard dominion vaga /2x poly/?
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Posted - 2010.01.27 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ko Shimin
...clueless bull****...
I killed two, one in sader, one in succubus, both were failfits. Lost none, i actually never bothered to buy one as i dont like iwin buttons.
Yes, the wolf fit you posted is lol, but for killing t1 fris is ok i guess.
Ill tell you how will it end - you will be scrammed 5secs after the start of fight and after another 20secs you will die to rf fusion /you wont do any noticeable dps to dram, bec you have no web and no tracking bonus/. Btw i know that fit very good, some guy in fw used it, i poped it with harbi because he thought he can keep me tackled like inty. I think ill be able to solo it in ab sader.
- no competent frig pilot will engage aml cara solo /maybe some confident vengeance or jag pilot can try it, bus some of caras fit med neut/
- dualprop dram can disengage easily from dessie and i think it will be able to solo trasher easily, it just outdpses it at scram range and has comparable buffer, if trasher doesnt fit web, it WILL outtrack 200mm acs
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Posted - 2010.01.27 17:30:00 -
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And td and ccc...
Btw guys im first to get killed by his wolf of doom.
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Posted - 2010.01.27 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Thrasher
With arty, the fight will last 9.639 seconds. You can 2 shot them.
Dream on noob...
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Posted - 2010.01.27 21:43:00 -
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Nice tricks /launching t1 drones or fitting 1 hml/ heh.
But even double webbed dramiel is faster than scrambled cruiser.
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Posted - 2010.01.27 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: The AEther
An Arbitrator with 10mn ab...
You dont think that seriously...
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Posted - 2010.01.27 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
[Ishkur]
Dramiel will kite you at the edge of scram range, not sure if it will be able to kill 2 flights of light drones or kill you before they will wear him down.
Originally by: Sig Sour
Holy cow you are totally correct! A dramiel would smoke a thrasher, Id be scared of every dramiel in my thrasher. Every dramiel should not hesitate to attack a thrasher.
Another sign you are total noob and have no idea what are you talking about.
Originally by: The AEther
It's been already done in game. I'd post a link to km but I didn't bother to save it.
Well you can fit alot of ships to specifically counter dramiel /if rockets werent so fail id say even griffin can do it/, only it destroys that ships ability to fight other ships...
Originally by: MukkBarovian
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So you killed frig in a bs, gz.
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Posted - 2010.01.27 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Originally by: Sig Sour
Holy cow you are totally correct! A dramiel would smoke a thrasher, Id be scared of every dramiel in my thrasher. Every dramiel should not hesitate to attack a thrasher.
Another sign you are total noob and have no idea what are you talking about.
I'm pretty sure that that was sarcasm brah
It was. And hes absolutely wrong. Arty trasher has absolutely 0 chance and ac trasher can be killed in dramiel.
Only neut can save mse trasher /wont work if dramiel has nos/ and it would be very close fight between dram and 400rt trasher /dram actually outdpses trasher at 10k and has comparable buffer if trasher pilot fits trimarks instead of dmg rig and ambits/. In both cases dramiel can disengage so easy, it isnt fun.
And im talking about standard dualprop dramiel, not some lowsec ***mobiles with snakes, xinstinct and td...
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Posted - 2010.01.28 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
daredevil
I had something similar on mind, only with gn web and fighting from 18k /safety first in 200m frig/.
Op should add ishkur, jag and succubus /in stardard fits/ as frigs able to hold and kill dramiel. With slightly modified fitting id say harpy and hookbill would do it. Only dont forget you will need deadspace ab on these ships to counter dramiels gisti ab /and piloting error will cost you ship/.
Also 'standard' fits are ab+web fits, so you are losing alot of versatility losing mwd, dualprop, neuts etc.
Cruisers? Every properly fit pvp cruiser /and up/ will be able to get rid of dram after some time, but to actually kill it you will need multiple webs, neuts etc. /also only overconfident dram pilot engages arbi, vexor or aml cara/.
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: David Devant
Duel web hookbill would be cheap and effective. Don't try and engage away from station or gate ofc.
Why?
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: David Devant
Because he'll kite you and you'll die.
Well i can have faction web...
But usually dramiel will be fitted with dualprop and scram, so no kiting for him.
And gypsio is right, too much damage mitigation even with crash /i thougt 2 webs are enough, but eft obviously applied them 2x on dramiel/.
Well we have to wait for rocket fix...
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:55:00 -
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Only that dram cannot dictate range vs dualweb hookbill, and not even vs sinlge web when if its standard dualprop fit.
Now im thinking about web + td + crash, but im still not sure /and yes, it doesnt fit lol/.
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Posted - 2010.01.28 16:24:00 -
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Web+td hookbill should win vs dualprop dram in theory /after using crash/, but im not going to try it since it needs some faction to fit.
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Posted - 2010.01.28 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
LOL @ the 1v1 frig situations in this 'nerf the Dramiel' thread.
A ship isn't overpowered when you compare it in 1v1 situations, because most pvp in eve isn't dueling 1v1s.
This is a stupid stupid thread...
No idea where do you live, but there are still places where you can find good 1v1 in eve. ESPECIALLY in frigs.
And yes, its not only about its power in 1v1s vs other frig hulls, its about that dram is basically af with better speed and agility than any inty /not talking about acs that are perfect weapon on frig level/.
Originally by: Artemis Rose
Both an Arty Thrasher and a A/C Thrasher would have a good chance in killing it.
Arty fit? Cant see how it would be possible /youd need at least 4 volleys!/.
Ac trasher? Kill dramiel? How? Dram pilot controls engagement and can disengage whenever he wants. Get rid of? Maybe, but tbh id try every and kill it if it doesnt have neut and try to outlast it at the edge of scram range even if it has. And id say it has good chance if trasher pilot chooses trimarks instead of dmg rig and ambits...
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Posted - 2010.01.29 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kimura Masahiko
Wow stop whining, the answer was posted right at the start; Daredevils or Cruors toast Dramiels 1vs1. Just because you fail repeatedly at trying to kill them does not mean they are unkillable.
Ok but can daredevil or cruor go 5k/s on mwd and 2k/s on ab without speed mods, have 1 sec better align, have 7k buffer with dualprop and neut and capless guns with 12k falloff?
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Posted - 2010.01.29 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Proxyyyy
[Cruor, Bum RUSHA!]
Impressive, 400rt on already slow frig, why would anyone fly it? Ah i know, because its one of few ships that can kill dramiel in 1v1...
Kimura efted mse/neut/dualprop dram? Gj then.
Armor/td version is win vs all turret frigs and dessies, but lacks speed and versatility of mse fit. But definitely viable in lowsec with some pirate implants.
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Posted - 2010.01.29 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shiroi Okami
1. It's dps is lower than most afs/faction frigates/taranis
2. It's tank is much weaker than any AF
3. It's speed is only on par with interceptors, not hugely above.
1. 195dps, selectable damage type, perfect tracking, capless weapons, falloff up to 12k...all your high dps afs/frigs are blasterboats that cant hit to 10k reliably /ofc except daredevil, succubus, ishkur and maybe cruor/
2. 7k mse buffer /afs usually have 8k, so i wouldnt say much weaker/
3. faster and more agile than every inty /for example sader with 2x od is still slower than dram with no speed mod/, comparing to afs is pointless
So basically what are you saying here its bull****.
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Posted - 2010.01.30 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lugalzagezi666 on 30/01/2010 12:39:05
Originally by: Shiroi Okami
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Crow with snakes, not that he ever had a chance to kill you, with ab on you could probably permatank him with your passive recharge.
Taranis - high dps at 1+3, 3,7k buffer /no match for dram/
Wolf - 2 mids and no tracking bonus, i dont care about dps /no match for dram/
Iskur - best af, definitely can beat dram if fitted with ab + web, if not dram can just disengage
Sader - my favourite inty, 170 dps at 9k, but its slower, vulnerable to small neut and has 3,5k ehp less /no match for dram/...
Harpy - ab + web can kill dram /i guess, im not sure if its fast enough/
Daredevil - definitely can kill dram and rail fit is imho top frig killer around, only it lacks versatility of dram /speed, dualprop, neut, selectable damage type, mse buffer.../
Worm - loltastic frig
Comet - look at ranis /no match for dram/
Succubus - can kill dram with ab + web /or dual neuts/
And now think about that i talking about standard dualprop dram fit, not lowsec frig killin fit with ab, web, scram and td.
Outtank dram by a mile? 7k vs 8k is a mile lol? Bull****.
Originally by: Omarvelous
If you're faster than all other frigs then you don't have the damage mods or a damage control.
Lies.
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Posted - 2010.01.30 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
[Cruor, gtc-Style]
Where this guy flies his ships?
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Posted - 2010.01.30 21:49:00 -
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Auto thrasher, is somewhat questionable, and while yes it is a frigate mowing machine, I don't see anyway that it will be able to keep the dramiel in range. Dramiel is still faster and the auto thrasher would take some time to kill the dramiel. At least 20-30 seconds based on what I calculated. Good dramiel imo would orbit at like 15km and see if the thrasher can hit it, if it can't or does very little its prolly auto fit, and you should not engage, if it can hit its prolly artie and you can destroy it.
Well, i dont know who am i quoting.
But to make it clear to ppl who are basing their statements on bull**** they read on forums or eft or whatever - when you are engaging trasher in dramiel, you always have speed advantage and you can control range /even webbed/. You also have 7k ehp, buffer thats close to buffer of mse trasher and that means you are NOT going to die in seconds like some ppl say here.
You have enough time to 'test' target trasher and disengage when you think he will be able to kill you first /disengaging from trasher is perfectly possible even with ab sader that goes around 1,6k and has 3,7k buffer/. Dont forget you are engaging him at 9k where he can be doing around 100dps /7k buffer and 100 dps = 70s/. You only approach to close orbit when you encounter mse trasher without neut /you can see rockets flying around but not able to hit you at 9k orbit/, while approaching you can take alot of damage, but once you are in close orbit he cant do anything.
Btw by fitting faction point or overheating it for whole duration of fight /possible/ you can lower its dps even more /keep in mind that 90% trasher pilots use trimarks, not damage rig and ambits, so you are actually outdpsing it at 10k/.
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Posted - 2010.01.31 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: scoutyman
Could anyone clarify how a sentinel goes about killing a dramiel?
I honestly dont know much about the sentinel but at first glance, even when capped out, the dramiel keeps it's dps (auto's + drones ) and tank (MSE).
A fit would also be nice =p
[Sentinel, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Small Armor Repairer II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Tracking Disruptor II
Warp Disruptor II
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Warrior II x4
If you use range script, he WILL be able to shoot down all your drones /acs + tracking bonus/, if you use tracking he will be able to do around 80dps at 18k /with drones/. Your pick.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shiroi Okami
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You killed some clueless noob that underestimated claw - and id say it was pretty fail fit, because standard dram fit has more ehp and more dps than claw.
Competent dram pilot would eat you from 9k with barrage with possibility to disengage in seconds.
And yes, sader can kill dram - snaked ab sader with faction scram engaging from 13k with scorch lol.
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Posted - 2010.02.01 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok
excuse me i am not lugalzagezi666
Confirming that.
And to the guy that thinks arty trasher can kill properly fitted and piloted dram : .
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Posted - 2010.02.06 19:42:00 -
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7 more pages since i last looked  .
Says alot about how is dram in line with other frigs. Also looks like all genos fly drams and dont want them nerfed.
Originally by: Raimo
They wanted to boost 0.0 iskmaking, remember? Now if the dram was nerfed its price would crash and that mission would have failed...
Do you realize how stupid argument is this? Would you leave one ship op just to make some carebears happy /not saying there are enough other things in angel lp store to get nice isk from?/.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kazang
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Yes, so we should all start fly ships that are gimped in every other way other than frig killing BECAUSE OF DRAMIEL...
And no, your lol dualweb 150mm ac omen wont kill dramiel, because even dualwebbed hes still faster than you /and your loltastic ship doesnt have mwd/.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kazang
another bull****
You have no idea what are you talking.
Yes, lets start fitting dual /triple/ webs to bcs and med neuts to cruisers just BECAUSE OF DRAMIEL. It doesnt matter that everything else will kill you with that fit, you will get your dramiel killmail and you will prove everyone on eveo that dramiel isnt op and doesnt need nerf.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 14:05:00 -
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Only thing i got from your posts is, that you are dramiel /and cynabal/ pilot and you dont want it touched...
Vs trasher - standard dram can easily kill arty trasher, can kill mse trasher without neut /if it has neut fitted youd need nos/, can kill 400 rt trasher if pilot makes mistake /talking about all l5s/ and can easily disengage from any trasher.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Van Steiza
Your pulling out your ass now.
I fly them once in a while rarely because there fun. There hardly my main ships but i know how easy it is to loose them and specialy to a thrasher its so easy. Sure you can afterburner out of range if your getting low but you may just die before your able to run away. A good pilot can always kill you mate and ive had my fair share of welps.
Stop assuming that just because I dont think it needs nerfing that im a FOTM guy in one. Its so simple to kill yet you lack the effort to do so.
If you were good pilot youd engage trasher at the edge of overheated scram range and theres no problem disengaging from that position. You are safe from small neut at 10k and you are doing more dps than thrasher at this range. And youd also know that abing dram can get even under tracking bonused acs /mse trasher without web/.
And btw, maybe you didnt realize - its dram pilot who chooses engagement.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kismo
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I think you ******ed but whatever, fly around kamela after downtime and maybe ill gank your trasher when ill be online. But ill probably kill you with sader, malediction or crow because i have no dram fitted and no intention of buying one.
Originally by: Proxyyyy
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So you basically suggest ppl use afs/faction frigs without mwd /ab+web+scram = lose alot of versatility, not viable in 0.0/ to be able to catch and hold dualprop dramiel /i wont even start talking about armor tanked dram with td/.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kismo
so basicly u r afraid 2 engage thasher and saber in ur dramil that u dont have got it why dont u shut up about thrasher and saber not having a chance with dramiel really the dramiel will leave the field or die and u cant prove me wrong and yes if u run then i won especially in a gang bcuz now ur gang is down 1 person
Yes, you confirmed again that you are incompetent, not surprising for me.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 20:02:00 -
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This is what you get when you try to make succubus do what dualprop dram can. Import to eft and lol:
[Succubus, Succubus1]
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Coreli B-Type 1MN Afterburner
Medium Shield Extender II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
[empty high slot]
Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Core Defence Field Extender I
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Posted - 2010.02.07 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kirzath
[Succubus, Doing It Right]
GL dying in first bubblecamp.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Pirate faction frigates that aren't any better than T2 are UTTERLY USELESS.
Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
So basically you want pirate frigates to be better than best t2 frigates in most of the roles.
He forgot that 'T2' isnt only ishkur and jag.
Another thing is, that worm is just fail and even buffed rockets wont help it much.
And dram is just other league...
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Posted - 2010.02.08 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Proxyyyy
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I can see you understand frigate fights perfectly, but still some of your fits are... weird.
Claw vs ranis - everyone knows it, its about neut and buffer to cap out target, if you are flying into neut range vs claw, its your decision.
And that slicer you posted would just die to a dramiel /how cant you see it?/. Dramiel can get under 200mm tracking bonused acs on trasher, orbiting under lasers would be easier /or maybe 4k-4,5k so he will have to use scorch with tracking penalty and you wont shoot out of orbit so much/.
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Posted - 2010.02.08 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Proxyyyy
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DLPs allow engaging at the edge of overheated scram range without dps loss /gatlings have 9k range/, tracking is enough for every frighull except dram and ab inties.
Slicer is imo 24k mwd kiter that can deliver around 170dps to 25k+, but it has serious cpu issues /and you cant engage canes etc in it like in crow/. If you want ab fit, you can use sader. Id maybe use ab slicer if there were faction neuts for 5mil, 6k neut range just isnt enough for me.
Standard dram fit /i was talking about dualprop+mse fit/ isnt used by majority of pilots ofc. Majority of dram pilots use failfits /yes, i can use slicer effectively to engage failfit drams!/. But if dram pilot is using proper pvp fit, theres almost 0 chance for slicer. And if dram pilot decides to go for armor tanked td fit, theres almost 0 chance for any frig /but he will have hard time disengaging when blob lands on him/.
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Posted - 2010.02.09 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: yani dumyat
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It doesnt have similar ability to disengage, once its in scram range, its just ganky cruiser, nothing more.
Dram can leave scram range of most ships in seconds.
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Posted - 2010.02.09 14:17:00 -
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Stupid arguments boar, in all your replies i see nothing but "dont nerf my solopwnmobile."
Also i see you dont understand frig hulls at all - yes, cruor can kill almost every other frig, but with 400rt it will die to first gatecamp, daredevil can do some serious dps, but once its in scram range it will have hard time disengaging even if its target its nearly stationary. Worm is just fail atm and succubus its actually worse than harpy /and far after ishkur/.
Btw comparing combat performance of ab afs /with next to 0 disengaging capability/ with dualprop frig /that can disengage from almost everything in game and has only little bit less dps and ehp/ its stupid. If you like ab frigs so much, use armor tanked dram and you can kill every frig ingame /maybe except rail dd/ - or maybe try dualprop on that killer afs and lol about results you will get.
And ofc 'diminishing returns' shouldnt work for dram for some reason only you know...
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Posted - 2010.02.09 15:05:00 -
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And maels with 220s lol.
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Posted - 2010.02.09 16:43:00 -
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"nerf dramiel because I cant kill it easily in a frigate and satisfy my ego"
Not you cant kill it easily - its more like you cant kill it at all in frigate if you dont fit it specifically - lol ab+web /and if dram is fitted for frig killing you wont even touch it in 1v1 and its still much more survivable when travelling/.
Originally by: Calydonian Boar
main point here is, if something is that expensive, it shouldn't die that easily
Primitive argument, why should isk buy you iwin button? I understand you want to get back to nano era where snakes, faction prop upgrades and t2 polys were untouchable...
Originally by: Calydonian Boar
and about that stupid comparison between dramiel and faction speed mods:
Yes, just stupid argument. Deadspace speed mods are used on t2 frigs /or faction/ pretty often, ppl even use faction points, webs etc. if they give them some tactical advantage /range for example/ or solve fitting issues.
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Posted - 2010.03.08 23:41:00 -
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Lol, you couldnt resist to post that failfit?
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Posted - 2010.03.09 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Calydonian Boar
when you get in to the fight, everyone will shoot you and then eventhough they die, they will be like "hey at least we got the dramiel!"
Maybe in your lol gang, in competent gan ppl shoot what fc will call primary. But if someone sacrifices whole fight for one frig, its not my problem.
Originally by: Calydonian Boar
all faction ships are superior to their own classes
Yes they are superior to t1 counterparts /and different to t2/ - only frig hulls are exception /afs vs faction frigs/.
Originally by: Calydonian Boar
but it's only dramiel that sticks out because it's the cheapest class and used more often
Its because dramiel is arguably best and most versatile frig around and obsoletes all frig hulls /maybe except tackle inties/.
Originally by: Calydonian Boar
so what dramiel is superior to ceptors? they are not even superior to all t2's
They are.
Originally by: Calydonian Boar
AFs can take dramiels easily once they tackle them
Some lol ab frigs maybe. But you can fit lol ab only dram too.
Originally by: Calydonian Boar
dramiels can never take place of light tackling ceptors
They are already doing this - they have taken the role of superfast scram tackler that can survive tackling of most ships because of dualprop and mse.
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Posted - 2010.03.09 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Qadehar Killuwell
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This will die horribly to dram.
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Posted - 2010.03.09 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Qadehar Killuwell
Last Dramiel I fought with that had to run away in structure.
Good for you that you have met incompetent pilot.
Btw thats another thing, dram can disengage at will from that slicer.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
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Yes, my succubus can beat most inties too,only it will have hard time catching inty that doesnt want to engage/scram range - unlike dram.
And no, dd shouldnt be nerfed - only thing it can do is wtfpwn frigs - nothing more. Its survivability cannot be compared to dram.
And no, dram is overpowered. Even if there will be af boost, id still say dram should be nerfed first /just cut its speed/agility or dps/ - because its THAT good at preferred style of fight on frig level /controlling the fight against almost every other ship/.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Calydonian Boar
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Plain lies. Im not surprised, because you clearly have no relevant arguments.
Dramiel has 7k ehp buffer /and can do dualprop unlike your mse rifter/. Standard buffer for afs is 8k.
Dram can do around 220 dps with selectable damage type, excellent tracking, decent falloff and without need for cap. So - retri, vengeance, hawk are complete trash, enyo and wolf have only 2 mids - ishkur, jag and harpy left... jag has less dps than dram, harpy around same, ishkur more /at optimal/ - only that dram is 2x faster than harpy or ishkur and they cant do dualprop reliably.
Dram can replace inty - its already happening, btw it has definitely better chance to tackle vaga than any inty.
Dram has op speed. Take drams speed away and it will be inline with other pirate frigs /except worm, it will still be subpar/.
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