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Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.01.28 21:40:00 - [1] LOL @ the 1v1 frig situations in this 'nerf the Dramiel' thread. A ship isn't overpowered when you compare it in 1v1 situations, because most pvp in eve isn't dueling 1v1s. This is a stupid stupid thread... JOIN US
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.01.29 03:15:00 - [2] Edited by: Omarvelous on 29/01/2010 03:16:05 Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Originally by: Omarvelous LOL @ the 1v1 frig situations in this 'nerf the Dramiel' thread. A ship isn't overpowered when you compare it in 1v1 situations, because most pvp in eve isn't dueling 1v1s. This is a stupid stupid thread... No idea where do you live, but there are still places where you can find good 1v1 in eve. ESPECIALLY in frigs. I don't care where you live or that you can get dueling matches. You failed to read my point which was, that its stupid to claim a ship is overpowered based on dueling 1v1 scenarios. Majority of pvp in eve is not a pre-arranged e-peen match betwen 1 frig pilot and another frig pilot. To claim a ship is overpowered based on your limited experience is short sited at best. Dramiel is a good ship - but its not impossible to kill. Its fast, has a good slot arrangement and decent dps for a frigate. Its also pretty expensive for a frigate so it should be better than most frigates. However saying its pilot will be 100% smart enough to know the perfect counter to any ship coming at it is stupid. I could make that argument for any ship if I get to pick the scenario. Its like saying a dual-rep hyperion with strong exile and faction mods is overpowered in eve, due to it being a great solo BS. Narrow scope - narrow argument. JOIN US
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.01.30 01:33:00 - [3] I hear people claiming. Faster than any ship. More dps than an assault frig. I'm calling bull****. If you're faster than all other frigs then you don't have the damage mods or a damage control. The drones argument is silly - its got enough room for 3 small drones - not a big deal. Cruor and daredevil with their 90% webs would murder a dram. If dram stays away - then fine, neither side wins. Its a good multi-role frig that should be fit towards its insane speed (low grade snakes for >10 k speeds). Daredevils and cruors do a better job slowing the other guy down. (Cruor's neut is pretty sweet for crippling and it still does respectable damage for a frig). Worm is a super durable frig tackler. Succubus still does great damage at good frig ranges. Each pirate ship has its niche. Nerfing a fast ship with subpar damage and tank is silly. Dramiel is NOT op. It does what a frig is supposed to do - fly fast and catch stuff. JOIN US
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.01.30 15:34:00 - [4] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I've taken down two Dramiels on seperate occasions in different circumstances with my Cruor. The fit isn't too far off from Proxyyyy's, but it's a tad unique and it flows well for a frigate. [Cruor, Siigari-Style] Dark Blood Heat Sink Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 'Bastion' 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates I 1MN Digital Booster Rockets True Sansha Warp Scrambler True Sansha Stasis Webifier Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Dark Blood Multifrequency S Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Dark Blood Multifrequency S 'Caltrop' Small Energy Neutralizer I 'Caltrop' Small Energy Neutralizer I Small Trimark Armor Pump II Small Trimark Armor Pump II Small Trimark Armor Pump II Runs with implants: Slave Alpha Slave Beta Slave Gamma Slave Delta Slave Epsilon Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Squire' PG8 Ogdin's Eye Coordination Enhancer Pashan's Turret Customization Mindlink Akemon's Modified 'Noble' ZET5000 Has over 13k EHP, goes about 2.7km/s in overload and if you aren't catching a Dramiel you are doing something wrong. That web reaches 19.5km and you should absolutely murder any Dramiel pilot that realistically wants to be in range to kill you. Goddamnit - you didn't show how a cruor can win - you showed how you threw way too much isk in a ship to win. All you've done is reinforce people's misconception that dram is op. @ worm comment - 14k buffer is 2x the tank of dram - with gang bonuses its pretty nice - even if slow (still faster than cruisers with mwd). JOIN US
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.01.31 04:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Gypsio III Interceptors do this better, and Dramiel does this better than interceptors. Interceptors are faster but die faster. Dramiel is probably the best inty killer in game (doesn't make it op for a frig). Worm is ideal for a a ship faster than a cruiser - with a frig radius (once mwd is off after tackle) - with a tank almost as good as a cruiser. Its got a bad rep because its dps is **** (I fly mine with 5 ecm drones for extra tackle survivability). I don't fly frigs in gangs for dps though... JOIN US
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.01.31 17:26:00 - [6] I still don't think the dram obsolete's anything. Its better than interceptors - it does everything they do but better. Well it should! It costs 2-3 times as much - and I dont see 2-3 x better performance. Its not better at crippling and disabling ships (cruor - sentinel). Sometimes you need to cripple a ship that your gank frig couldn't destroy quickly enough. It doesn't jam like a kitsune. It doesn't have the dps of gank af or the daredevil/succubus. It lacks the durability of a worm (when tackling bigger ships). Less hyperbole - more objectivity. Its just a super interceptor - but often times I want something else out of a frig. JOIN US
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.01.31 18:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Stil Harkonnen I wish i flew around where sigari flew so that when i killed him I could loot ONE of his modules and never have to worry about isk again Yeah but I'd gank you on your way to jita and take your loot! Oh wait - it would vaporize like all the nice loot does... JOIN US

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