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Zandramus	Posted - 2004.12.02 17:39:00 - [241] mining for a month to buy a cruiser???? Man you need to learn the game. you should be able to buy a cruiser in an afternoon of mining, or you shouldnt be mining. Wait lemme guess, you fly back to the station every time your cargo hold is full. or you afk mine in an industrial with 1 laser. Damn dude get a friend mine together haul when you have a couple of jet cans of ore to haul. Learn how to play the game. This game is what you make of it put some effort into it and quit crying. Pirating is an interesting lot, I tried it our the other night was quite fun, but I dunno If I would want to do it constantly as it is quite a bit of work finding the right prey in the right system and being able to get in kill and get out. I would rather declare empire wars and get my fighting in that way. I did run into a pirate last night was quite fun, we were out hunting in a .2 system in our Dominix's me and my partner, when in warps a guy in an incursus with a 17 mil bounty just as we was warping to the next belt. hmm no one else in local this guy is nuts, we waited at next belt for him sure enough here he comes barreling in , I get him locked and set 11 hornet small drones on him, fast little buggers that they are even with his mwd he managed to get 30 k away just in time to have like 10 pct hull left, me and my partner are laughing till his mates show up in local. Now the odds are 4 to 2 against us, not good odds to me so we jump up to ss and chat in local for a few, sounded like a good group of guys, pirate number 1 was like dude your drones f'd me up . well we said later and log off in ss because I dont know who fired first and didnt feel like losing 2 doms to the gate guns getting out of the system. In any event these guys, dont know how far they traveled to get there, didnt manage to get a ganking and prolly ended up having to sit there waiting to leave. So I agree Pirating should be a little easier Z Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
Zandramus	Posted - 2004.12.02 17:39:00 - [242] mining for a month to buy a cruiser???? Man you need to learn the game. you should be able to buy a cruiser in an afternoon of mining, or you shouldnt be mining. Wait lemme guess, you fly back to the station every time your cargo hold is full. or you afk mine in an industrial with 1 laser. Damn dude get a friend mine together haul when you have a couple of jet cans of ore to haul. Learn how to play the game. This game is what you make of it put some effort into it and quit crying. Pirating is an interesting lot, I tried it our the other night was quite fun, but I dunno If I would want to do it constantly as it is quite a bit of work finding the right prey in the right system and being able to get in kill and get out. I would rather declare empire wars and get my fighting in that way. I did run into a pirate last night was quite fun, we were out hunting in a .2 system in our Dominix's me and my partner, when in warps a guy in an incursus with a 17 mil bounty just as we was warping to the next belt. hmm no one else in local this guy is nuts, we waited at next belt for him sure enough here he comes barreling in , I get him locked and set 11 hornet small drones on him, fast little buggers that they are even with his mwd he managed to get 30 k away just in time to have like 10 pct hull left, me and my partner are laughing till his mates show up in local. Now the odds are 4 to 2 against us, not good odds to me so we jump up to ss and chat in local for a few, sounded like a good group of guys, pirate number 1 was like dude your drones f'd me up . well we said later and log off in ss because I dont know who fired first and didnt feel like losing 2 doms to the gate guns getting out of the system. In any event these guys, dont know how far they traveled to get there, didnt manage to get a ganking and prolly ended up having to sit there waiting to leave. So I agree Pirating should be a little easier Z Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2004.12.02 22:45:00 - [243] I dont think pirating should be made any easier, but, it should only be as hard as other people make it for us. Granted, some npc involvment needs to be there to stop pirating from getting out of hand. But, I feel when im hunting that its harder to overcome ccps obstacles than it is to overcome other players.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2004.12.02 22:45:00 - [244] I dont think pirating should be made any easier, but, it should only be as hard as other people make it for us. Granted, some npc involvment needs to be there to stop pirating from getting out of hand. But, I feel when im hunting that its harder to overcome ccps obstacles than it is to overcome other players.
sirbest	Posted - 2004.12.03 02:20:00 - [245] i find it very funny how this post is setup to discuss how to fight pirets and all it got was a bunch of winer pirets complaining
sirbest	Posted - 2004.12.03 02:20:00 - [246] i find it very funny how this post is setup to discuss how to fight pirets and all it got was a bunch of winer pirets complaining
Zarquon Beeblebrox	Posted - 2004.12.03 06:16:00 - [247] Originally by: sirbest i find it very funny how this post is setup to discuss how to fight pirets and all it got was a bunch of winer pirets complaining Actualy your wrong. Its set up for pirates to tell about how their game is after the patch. -- Lady Beeblebrox Teddybears movies
Zarquon Beeblebrox	Posted - 2004.12.03 06:16:00 - [248] Originally by: sirbest i find it very funny how this post is setup to discuss how to fight pirets and all it got was a bunch of winer pirets complaining Actualy your wrong. Its set up for pirates to tell about how their game is after the patch. -- Lady Beeblebrox Teddybears movies
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2004.12.03 07:57:00 - [249] I read the first 3 pages and skipped the rest so here are my two cents,I used to pirate with an alt back when u could strap crusie on a kestral and in all honesty I agree with Lifewire on many things save the war declaring alliance bit its to costly now. I mean piracy will always be on CCPs' hit list of things to mess up for two simple reasons,carebears whine about it to the devs and mOo/Zombie Corp beat the snot out of the Devs,which imo is the funniest thing I can think of. To those who find a practicle way of pirating which doesn't involve taking on the alliances kudos to you I wish u the best. Now if you could just bottle neck like the old days. Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2004.12.03 07:57:00 - [250] I read the first 3 pages and skipped the rest so here are my two cents,I used to pirate with an alt back when u could strap crusie on a kestral and in all honesty I agree with Lifewire on many things save the war declaring alliance bit its to costly now. I mean piracy will always be on CCPs' hit list of things to mess up for two simple reasons,carebears whine about it to the devs and mOo/Zombie Corp beat the snot out of the Devs,which imo is the funniest thing I can think of. To those who find a practicle way of pirating which doesn't involve taking on the alliances kudos to you I wish u the best. Now if you could just bottle neck like the old days. Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass.
Cracken	Posted - 2004.12.03 08:55:00 - [251] smuggling how about getting pos fuels and comps past bloackades cause that really seems the only safe way too force them too shut down.
Cracken	Posted - 2004.12.03 08:55:00 - [252] smuggling how about getting pos fuels and comps past bloackades cause that really seems the only safe way too force them too shut down.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.12.03 19:56:00 - [253] Keep it friendly. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.12.03 19:56:00 - [254] Keep it friendly. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2004.12.04 23:03:00 - [255] Originally by: Eris Discordia Keep it friendly. NO Pirates are not friendly people
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2004.12.04 23:03:00 - [256] Originally by: Eris Discordia Keep it friendly. NO Pirates are not friendly people
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2004.12.05 00:56:00 - [257] Ok I will since you the only mod I like Zhuge has a thing for delteing my posts an locking my threads ur nicer /me starts checkin out Eris Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2004.12.05 00:56:00 - [258] Ok I will since you the only mod I like Zhuge has a thing for delteing my posts an locking my threads ur nicer /me starts checkin out Eris Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.12.05 11:26:00 - [259] Originally by: Tenacha Khan Originally by: Eris Discordia Keep it friendly. NO Pirates are not friendly people If you want to RP an evil, murdering, foul language using pirate, you can go to the Intergalatic Summit. Otherwise it's not RP and I will not concider everything being said as IC but out of character and even out of game. Pirates may not be nice but Moderators are even worse I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.12.05 11:26:00 - [260] Originally by: Tenacha Khan Originally by: Eris Discordia Keep it friendly. NO Pirates are not friendly people If you want to RP an evil, murdering, foul language using pirate, you can go to the Intergalatic Summit. Otherwise it's not RP and I will not concider everything being said as IC but out of character and even out of game. Pirates may not be nice but Moderators are even worse I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.12.05 12:54:00 - [261] Originally by: Eris Discordia Originally by: Tenacha Khan Originally by: Eris Discordia Keep it friendly. NO Pirates are not friendly people If you want to RP an evil, murdering, foul language using pirate, you can go to the Intergalatic Summit. Otherwise it's not RP and I will not concider everything being said as IC but out of character and even out of game. Pirates may not be nice but Moderators are even worse rofl at Eris siggy -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.12.05 12:54:00 - [262] Originally by: Eris Discordia Originally by: Tenacha Khan Originally by: Eris Discordia Keep it friendly. NO Pirates are not friendly people If you want to RP an evil, murdering, foul language using pirate, you can go to the Intergalatic Summit. Otherwise it's not RP and I will not concider everything being said as IC but out of character and even out of game. Pirates may not be nice but Moderators are even worse rofl at Eris siggy -------------------------------------------
EVENFLOW	Posted - 2004.12.05 19:11:00 - [263] Originally by: Siddy rofl at Eris siggy 2nd'ed
EVENFLOW	Posted - 2004.12.05 19:11:00 - [264] Originally by: Siddy rofl at Eris siggy 2nd'ed
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.12.06 11:49:00 - [265] I think Tun/Teddys need to sort out wot they really want, u seem to want the best of both worlds Sec hits in 0.0 fine but u wanna fly around empire ganking indys and AFK people, u can't goto empire with neg sec, yes i know you already have so you use alts(lol), which ccp is forcing you to use, o but u want sec hits in 0.0 so CCP will be forcing u to use cos you asked for the sec hits
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.12.06 11:49:00 - [266] I think Tun/Teddys need to sort out wot they really want, u seem to want the best of both worlds Sec hits in 0.0 fine but u wanna fly around empire ganking indys and AFK people, u can't goto empire with neg sec, yes i know you already have so you use alts(lol), which ccp is forcing you to use, o but u want sec hits in 0.0 so CCP will be forcing u to use cos you asked for the sec hits
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.12.06 11:50:00 - [267] O lets not forget 1mil a week to kill 2000 newbs in empire afk.
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.12.06 11:50:00 - [268] O lets not forget 1mil a week to kill 2000 newbs in empire afk.
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:05:00 - [269] Edited by: Lifewire on 06/12/2004 12:09:24 As i said before: CCP will change the war rules - and it¦s good that they do. What is bad is that they didnt fix the pirate career in Exodus - absolutly nothing has been done for the players that bring most fun and action into EVE - the ebil pirates. I will now tell you what i did yesterday - to give DEVs and non-pirate players a view to what pirates do in EVE and why they are very important to have some action in the game. I went online, 3-4 of the gang are up to hunt. I check the map and see: 2 blobs in Syndicate. First blob is the Norad-blob. Second blob the new "G"-alliance (STVs&CE). Both blobs have "oversize", this means they outnumber our online crew by 5:1. So we decide to setup a camp and go for single flying traffic. We setup a small bubble and have 1 ECM-BS and 3 tacklers (warpsramble-strenght -9) at the gate. We camp 2 h in 0.0. Traffic = 5 friggis. I manage to scramble 2 of them and we extract roundabout 3-4 million ISK out of them. It¦s fncking boring, so we decide to go to MHC and farm JQA-allaince. We setup exactly the same trap in MHC. 1 more gangmember comes online and joins our camp, so we have 4 tacklers now and 1 ECM-Scorp. A scout alt IBIS jumps in and we destroy it. I already know somebody will attack our single BS, but we stay because better a fight with 5 vs 10 than no fight. So we wait and there they come: ASS, other pirates. They jump in with 7 BS and toast Zarquons Scorpion and our bubble, because Zarquon refuses to be at distance or warpout. "I want to fight" he says. Why did they use 7 BS (asking myself) - but ok, at least some guys that want action. We go to our base and grab 5 cruisers, come back to MHC within 10 minutes, but ASS moved to Ostingele. We follow them and engage 4 of the ASS BS with our 5 cruisers. They have to flee and Frankinator, that just joined us in a interceptor can¦t scramble them with -2 strenght. Hm, ok - at least some ammo wasted and did some psychologic damage to ASS because we made them run in cruisers, while they had BS. We go back to base and refit. More of our guys come online. We spot a blob of roundabout 10 ships nearby. Our scout messages: 5 BS + support ships. We fit 2 BC, 3 cruisers and 2 interceptors and engage their camp very fast. Since they see only cruisers, they want to fight - cool! After a short brutal battle we sink a scorp and a geddon and loot some good items (50 mil IKS). We loose my Battlecruiser in the battle. We move back to our base and check the map. Syndicate is empty for 1-2 hours. After some internal discussions Zarquon tells me there are 20-30 Norads huggin the empire-gate in PF-346. Hm, if we go with 5-7 BS they¦ll all jump back to mother empire, so i decide to attack them alone in my Dominx. Zarquons frig is 200 km away from them and tells me that they have 3 BS and tons of cruisers and frigs. I warp in at 60 km and warp to a planet to make em follow. They follow! I kill 2 interceptors and a cruiser with my 6 smartbombs and pod the 3 unlucky hunters to teach them that ganking is not nice. The other Norads warp away before i can smartbomb them. Then 2-3 corp mates enter system and we warp back to the empire gate. I mwd and smartbomb another cruiser, but he moves out of my range. Rivek finishes him of. The Norads are in panic and the blob-camp is disbanded with a handfull of pirate ships. ISK-gain: near 0, but we grab some frozen corpses. Quick check on map: Syndicate is empty. Hours later Norad reopens their empire-gate camp, again 20-30 ships. We fit a Sniping-Megathron. I grab my covert ops and make a good sniping spot. Our Megathron, supportet by 2 antifrig cruisers warp in - 130 km away form the gate. Our sniper-BS toasts 5-6 ships that are not moving before the Norads realize what happened. We lot 2-3 million ISK. Some small skirmishes and the day is over. Losses: 1 Scorpion 1 Ferox (40 mil ISK) Destroyed: 2 BS 5 cruisers 10 frigs Loot: (60 mil ISK) This is a normal pirating day. We offer fun to all the guys that want some trouble and prefer action instead of sucking roids. We do our job good and we like it. But folks: do not tell us about this is fair balanced. The wars in empire would have been a good option to make tons of ISK. I never liked the idea to have empire wars - i would prefer you guys show some balls and come to us into 0.0. But huggin empire gates is all you can do because you fear to loose a ship soooooooooooo much. There is nothing to fear, realize that! It¦s a game and ISK wont make you happy. But a battle that you win 1 vs 30 makes you happy - believe that. I felt great when i warped to the 30 Norads (close to the last Mohican or a Samurai riding into a fortified mashinegun defence...) so did Zarquon when he was podded 1 vs 10. There is no better way to close the EVE client at evening and go to bed with the good feeling to be a fearless pirate You guys might go to bed and think:"**** - tomorrow i need new Peryte"
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.12.06 12:05:00 - [270] Edited by: Lifewire on 06/12/2004 12:09:24 As i said before: CCP will change the war rules - and it¦s good that they do. What is bad is that they didnt fix the pirate career in Exodus - absolutly nothing has been done for the players that bring most fun and action into EVE - the ebil pirates. I will now tell you what i did yesterday - to give DEVs and non-pirate players a view to what pirates do in EVE and why they are very important to have some action in the game. I went online, 3-4 of the gang are up to hunt. I check the map and see: 2 blobs in Syndicate. First blob is the Norad-blob. Second blob the new "G"-alliance (STVs&CE). Both blobs have "oversize", this means they outnumber our online crew by 5:1. So we decide to setup a camp and go for single flying traffic. We setup a small bubble and have 1 ECM-BS and 3 tacklers (warpsramble-strenght -9) at the gate. We camp 2 h in 0.0. Traffic = 5 friggis. I manage to scramble 2 of them and we extract roundabout 3-4 million ISK out of them. It¦s fncking boring, so we decide to go to MHC and farm JQA-allaince. We setup exactly the same trap in MHC. 1 more gangmember comes online and joins our camp, so we have 4 tacklers now and 1 ECM-Scorp. A scout alt IBIS jumps in and we destroy it. I already know somebody will attack our single BS, but we stay because better a fight with 5 vs 10 than no fight. So we wait and there they come: ASS, other pirates. They jump in with 7 BS and toast Zarquons Scorpion and our bubble, because Zarquon refuses to be at distance or warpout. "I want to fight" he says. Why did they use 7 BS (asking myself) - but ok, at least some guys that want action. We go to our base and grab 5 cruisers, come back to MHC within 10 minutes, but ASS moved to Ostingele. We follow them and engage 4 of the ASS BS with our 5 cruisers. They have to flee and Frankinator, that just joined us in a interceptor can¦t scramble them with -2 strenght. Hm, ok - at least some ammo wasted and did some psychologic damage to ASS because we made them run in cruisers, while they had BS. We go back to base and refit. More of our guys come online. We spot a blob of roundabout 10 ships nearby. Our scout messages: 5 BS + support ships. We fit 2 BC, 3 cruisers and 2 interceptors and engage their camp very fast. Since they see only cruisers, they want to fight - cool! After a short brutal battle we sink a scorp and a geddon and loot some good items (50 mil IKS). We loose my Battlecruiser in the battle. We move back to our base and check the map. Syndicate is empty for 1-2 hours. After some internal discussions Zarquon tells me there are 20-30 Norads huggin the empire-gate in PF-346. Hm, if we go with 5-7 BS they¦ll all jump back to mother empire, so i decide to attack them alone in my Dominx. Zarquons frig is 200 km away from them and tells me that they have 3 BS and tons of cruisers and frigs. I warp in at 60 km and warp to a planet to make em follow. They follow! I kill 2 interceptors and a cruiser with my 6 smartbombs and pod the 3 unlucky hunters to teach them that ganking is not nice. The other Norads warp away before i can smartbomb them. Then 2-3 corp mates enter system and we warp back to the empire gate. I mwd and smartbomb another cruiser, but he moves out of my range. Rivek finishes him of. The Norads are in panic and the blob-camp is disbanded with a handfull of pirate ships. ISK-gain: near 0, but we grab some frozen corpses. Quick check on map: Syndicate is empty. Hours later Norad reopens their empire-gate camp, again 20-30 ships. We fit a Sniping-Megathron. I grab my covert ops and make a good sniping spot. Our Megathron, supportet by 2 antifrig cruisers warp in - 130 km away form the gate. Our sniper-BS toasts 5-6 ships that are not moving before the Norads realize what happened. We lot 2-3 million ISK. Some small skirmishes and the day is over. Losses: 1 Scorpion 1 Ferox (40 mil ISK) Destroyed: 2 BS 5 cruisers 10 frigs Loot: (60 mil ISK) This is a normal pirating day. We offer fun to all the guys that want some trouble and prefer action instead of sucking roids. We do our job good and we like it. But folks: do not tell us about this is fair balanced. The wars in empire would have been a good option to make tons of ISK. I never liked the idea to have empire wars - i would prefer you guys show some balls and come to us into 0.0. But huggin empire gates is all you can do because you fear to loose a ship soooooooooooo much. There is nothing to fear, realize that! It¦s a game and ISK wont make you happy. But a battle that you win 1 vs 30 makes you happy - believe that. I felt great when i warped to the 30 Norads (close to the last Mohican or a Samurai riding into a fortified mashinegun defence...) so did Zarquon when he was podded 1 vs 10. There is no better way to close the EVE client at evening and go to bed with the good feeling to be a fearless pirate You guys might go to bed and think:"**** - tomorrow i need new Peryte"

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