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Priestess Nightstar
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Posted - 2010.01.27 10:24:00 -
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As an Amaar pilot through and through, I've been looking at the Legion.
Is it worth me training up the skills to be able to fly one?
I plan to use it to solo level 4's as well as fleet level 4's.
What are peoples experience with these ships?
Thanks in advance,
Priestess Nightstar
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.27 10:28:00 -
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I am also looking for help with the legion but for solo pvp
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Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.27 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Priestess Nightstar As an Amaar pilot through and through, I've been looking at the Legion.
Is it worth me training up the skills to be able to fly one?
I plan to use it to solo level 4's as well as fleet level 4's.
What are peoples experience with these ships?
Thanks in advance,
Priestess Nightstar
send me a ingame mail. I will share my old legion setup that runs all missions.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.01.27 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 I am also looking for help with the legion but for solo pvp
big sacrilage seems to be a decent solo setup, laser setups come too close to what can be achived with a cookie zealot.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.27 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 27/01/2010 10:53:21
Originally by: Dr Fighter
Originally by: baltec1 I am also looking for help with the legion but for solo pvp
big sacrilage seems to be a decent solo setup, laser setups come too close to what can be achived with a cookie zealot.
Its to replace my solo stealth bomber so I need the cov ops which means that idea went out the window unfortunatly. I have been playing with a blaster fit which oddly enough gets better DPS than pulse along with having a probe launcher. It looks deadly enough but at the same time...
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.01.27 10:58:00 -
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if you can already use blasters, sadly i think training up for the proteus would be better, theres an amazing covops fit for it. Im sure thats not what you need to hear, but the fit is that much better than anything a covops legion can fit that it makes the month of training worth it - unless you cant afford a second T3 and were after changing the subs/fit on a current legion.
appologies to the guy who started the thread, kinda going off topic.
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Priestess Nightstar
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Posted - 2010.01.27 11:08:00 -
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As for going off topic, I was going to state that! lol
But if my topic can help others its fine, just as long as we get back on track!
As an Amaar character, I want to stick to all things Amaar for the time being, the only thing I'm likely to cross train are the drones for the damage.
But I haven't started to train the Legion skills, I want someone to convince me it will be worth it.
PN
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Deva Blackfire
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.27 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Its to replace my solo stealth bomber so I need the cov ops which means that idea went out the window unfortunatly.
So it means that legion is not for you. Its covops subsystem just blows. Either use proteus or just stick to pilgrim (if you need more DPS just use gunpilgrim - pilgrim without neuts but with lazors/blasters instead). Hell... in many cases solo bomber will still be better than covops legion.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2010.01.27 11:11:00 -
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I suppose a missile legion is better than a sacriledge I suppose a laser legion is better than a zealot (like a little bit)
But is it worth it? I dunno, if you wanna stick to pure amarr a paladin I hear is a great mission ship.. Can a legion outperform a paladin in missions, I dunno, I think not tbh..
All the above is prolly crap Drone Guide
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Tereliss Verr
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Posted - 2010.01.27 11:41:00 -
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Now getting back to the OP's topic hehe
I can not fly this ship but I am training my alt to atm, I went through evemon and came across this fit and also found a video on utube of the pilot doing a c3 WH in it, here is the link, the ship looks awesome although it is a pimped fit!!!
Linkage
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Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.27 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Keitaro Baka I suppose a missile legion is better than a sacriledge I suppose a laser legion is better than a zealot (like a little bit)
But is it worth it? I dunno, if you wanna stick to pure amarr a paladin I hear is a great mission ship.. Can a legion outperform a paladin in missions, I dunno, I think not tbh..
I prefer nightmare. or will do shortly once I get caldari bs skilled up.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.27 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 27/01/2010 16:14:49 Yea I thought it better to leech this topic than have two topics on the same ship, seems I need to go train up another ship though
But anyway in my experimenting I found that its not bad with a duel rep and assault config with the afterburner bonus for what you want. Its no where near the nightmare and all BS will out DPS it but it can do them
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.01.27 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
But anyway in my experimenting I found that its not bad with a duel rep and assault config with the afterburner bonus for what you want.
HAMs suck for pve tho, nice dmg okay dmg to small stuff but you need your own assault missile factory to keep up with the epic number you'll go through on the missions.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.27 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
Originally by: baltec1
But anyway in my experimenting I found that its not bad with a duel rep and assault config with the afterburner bonus for what you want.
HAMs suck for pve tho, nice dmg okay dmg to small stuff but you need your own assault missile factory to keep up with the epic number you'll go through on the missions.
Oh no not HAM, they are for pvp. I just went t2 heavies which are respectable but nothing like a BS.
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Dusica
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Posted - 2010.01.27 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Dusica on 27/01/2010 16:46:42 [Legion, New Setup 1] Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
That is my setup go for u dont need all on 5 but defansive and ofansive setups are really useful on lvl5 :) If you repairer is too expansive you can downgrade it still tanks like monster :) And in missions with lot of webing and damage form cruisers you can add Imperial Navy EANM to be extra safe. This thing is really fun to fly and can bring isk around same as any faction fitted t1 battleship. If you are looking for pure isk/hour go for faction BS or Marauder but this stuff is just ultra fun to fly :)
I think this ship is far better then proteus for LvL4 ( but ofc not as good as tengu ) because you can instantly swap to scorch or microwave M very fast and get up to 34+5 range and eliminate most threats very fast and in that time compensates for the extra dps of proteus.
I would agree that CCP should change electronic setup to give 1 extra low slot instead of more or less useless mid slot , then it would be 6 3 7 layout and would really be beast of boat with great tank and great gank with good speed and small signature :)
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Terra Jennings
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Posted - 2010.01.27 20:14:00 -
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Duscius has the right idea ^^^^ , except I used 2 webs instead of 1. On some of the really hard to hit ships, it is difficult to kill them with only 1 web because you still have to chase/pull them to get the transversal down. This not only cost me extra time but if those little things are webbing you, you need to get unwebbed asap so you can work the speed tank. With 2 webs, they just insta-pop as soon as you lock em down.
But either way I switched to the HAM version now and i'm liking it a lot. Ammo does go fast but I just stock up every other week. I still use the laser version against sansha/BR but found angels/gurista too painful to kill with lasers so I trained up my HAMs.
The HAM build is the same as the laser fit except you use a power core multiplier subsystem (to get the 6th launcher slot), use 1 web and 1 tp, and switch your weapons/damage mods and you're good to go. Use fury missiles for everything that's not a frig, for them I use CN ammo because it does a bit more dps than t1 and you usually dont go through much when using it to only kill frigs.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.01.27 22:11:00 -
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I would like to remind people reading this thread that complain about the inclusion of deadspace and faction modules: This is a very, very expensive ship. If you're willing to put out the money for a ship like this, then you should also be willing to buy the top of the line modules to make it as effective as possible. Seeing a T3 ship with a full T2 fit makes me wonder why they bought the T3 in the first place.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2010.01.27 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tereliss Verr Now getting back to the OP's topic hehe
I can not fly this ship but I am training my alt to atm, I went through evemon and came across this fit and also found a video on utube of the pilot doing a c3 WH in it, here is the link, the ship looks awesome although it is a pimped fit!!!
Linkage
Yup, this is the fitting I use on it too. If you can't afford a fitting like this, you really don't need to be flying a Legion. As others say, with T2 fitting its not much better than T2 ships.
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Federal Defense Operations
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Posted - 2010.01.28 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Priestess Nightstar As an Amaar character, I want to stick to all things Amaar for the time being, the only thing I'm likely to cross train are the drones for the damage.
1) The drone sub for Legion is horrible. It nerfs the hell out of your laser damage, and really doesn't provide much compensation towards your drones. 2) They're primarily a Gallente weapon system. And even though I would love to have lethal laser pewpew AND drones (I am Gall after all), it's not gonna happen on this boat.
Originally by: baltec1 Its to replace my solo stealth bomber so I need the cov ops which means that idea went out the window unfortunatly. I have been playing with a blaster fit which oddly enough gets better DPS than pulse along with having a probe launcher. It looks deadly enough but at the same time...
1) Blaster fit, on a laser boat? 2) As stated prior, the Covert sub kinda sucks too. I feel your pain, believe me. There's a reason everything I fly has a Cloak of some kind, and it's called "Mrs Gideon"
For both of you, I'd say you're looking at the wrong boat. Sure, it's so ugly even the porkchop trick wouldn't work for the neighbor's dog... but you want a Proteus.
Originally by: Andrea Griffin I would like to remind people reading this thread that complain about the inclusion of deadspace and faction modules: This is a very, very expensive ship. If you're willing to put out the money for a ship like this, then you should also be willing to buy the top of the line modules to make it as effective as possible. Seeing a T3 ship with a full T2 fit makes me wonder why they bought the T3 in the first place.
This has been my feeling all along. Although I keep looking on BC to see what fits are scoring big, and many comment "Since T3 are so cheap" or "the prices are going down"... Yet they look remarkably like a 700mil investment?
If you're going to sink so much ISK into a ship, you'd best try and keep it alive.
While I can't afford Complex gear just yet (get a few solo anoms under my belt first), I'm only planning on using T2 where I can't get my hands on Faction gear first.
And yes, it will be a laser wielding, drone-less Legion. |
Tereliss Verr
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Posted - 2010.01.28 13:16:00 -
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The Fit that I linked will be very close to the one that I will be using, estimated at around 1.2b, T3 ships are expensive and do deserve a pimped fitting or else what is the point of them, I will be flying against Angels mainly so will need that 6th turret slot, looking at the video of the guy using this ship solo in a C3 WH I still say it is an awesome boat.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon
1) Blaster fit, on a laser boat?
I know its madness getting more out of blasters Anyhow this is what I have so far (again sorry for the derail)
[Proteus, New Setup 1] Imperial Navy Medium Armor Repairer Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Looks nice but this is on papaer and I dont trust paper.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 I know its madness getting more out of blasters Anyhow this is what I have so far (again sorry for the derail)
[Proteus, New Setup 1] Imperial Navy Medium Armor Repairer Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Looks nice but this is on papaer and I dont trust paper.
Covert subsys but no cloak? Maybe you cloaked the cloak...
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.28 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Covert subsys but no cloak? Maybe you cloaked the cloak...
Yea minus five stuipid points for me. fixed it
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.01.28 20:07:00 -
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Off hand I would recommend you cross-train to use one of the other three until the Legion is tweaked, it is severely under performing compared to other T3 .. Legion is reportedly best at PvE due to laser=no ammo and as an ECCM pimped unprobable gang-link platform.
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Lithel
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.29 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Priestess Nightstar I've been looking at the Legion.
Is it worth me training up the skills to be able to fly one?
I plan to use it to solo level 4's as well as fleet level 4's.
Don't know about fleet lvl 4's. I suppose the Legion could be used as logistics, but you should be more than able to tank your own lvl 4's. (Lvl 5's on the other hand...anyway) I trained up the necessary to fly the Legion, bought one, and now see that it spends 90% of it's time in the hangar. Battleships do missions WAY faster, and are a lot cheaper to replace should the servers die while the logs are busy recording nothing.
When it comes down to it, Legions can obviously do lvl 4's without problems, but Battleships do them faster. If you are looking to do missions in an expensive ship with a certain "wow-factor" then get the Legion (or faction Battleship). If on the other hand, you are looking for the quickest way to finish these missions, stick with Battleships.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.01.29 15:58:00 -
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Yeah, train Proteus. The Legion is an underpowered, pre-nerfed piece of crap.
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.01.29 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: TheMahdi on 29/01/2010 17:43:33 Legion is great, for PvE.
I run low sec L4s all the time in this, however I use a Centum A-Type medium repper, so I get a bit more tank. No tank issues on any mission so far and plenty of DPS with 6 guns.
Note: If you need more tank, you can drop a Heat Sink for another Hardener or the 6th gun for the Capacitor Regeneration Matrix and you get an extra low.
Generally, your speed and small sig radius keep your tank well off and frigates die before they get to you.
And it is 100% unprobable, 151 sensor strength / 140 sig radius.
Enjoy endless high LP blitz missions with relative immunity!
[Legion, Low sec L4 Runner] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Capacitor Power Relay II
ECCM - Radar II ECCM - Radar II ECCM - Radar II 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
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Priestess Nightstar
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Posted - 2010.01.29 17:52:00 -
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To the above post, it looks great for low sec missions, but how well will it perform on High Sec missions?
PN
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.01.29 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: TheMahdi on 29/01/2010 18:06:46 Edited by: TheMahdi on 29/01/2010 18:04:26 Would perform just as well, you don't need the same electronic subsystem if you don't care about unprobability.
Drop the ECCMs for web + TP/TC and one cap recharger. So you could put another hardener in low slot.
Probably better to use Tactical Targeting subsystem, still gives you 4 mid slots and quick lock times do help.
Edit: You can use 2 Cap Rechargers and a web in mids, and drop one of the CCCs for a Medium Nanobot Accelerator. And add another Heat Sink if you find it's enough tank.
Like this:
[Legion, L4 Runner] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Nanobot Accelerator II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
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Priestess Nightstar
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Posted - 2010.01.29 18:35:00 -
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Coolies, thanks, its food for thought, what I like about this is that its not fitted out with all named faction gear.
I will give some serious consideration to this ship now. I plan on doing missions with the Fed Navy, once I've got out of doing the annoying level 1's.
PN
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